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Monday, May 14, 2018 10:50 AM

SIGNYM

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37 Palestinians killed in Gaza protests ahead of US embassy opening

At least 37 Palestinians were killed by Israeli forces during clashes at the Gaza border on Monday, the largest number of fatalities suffered in one day since the latest round of protests began more than six weeks ago, the Palestinian Ministry of Health announced.

The demonstrations were taking place hours before the new US embassy was due to officially open in Jerusalem.

The Palestinian Health Ministry said more than 1,600 had suffered injuries, and that many of the dead had not yet been identified. CNN journalists near the Gaza-Israel border heard gunfire in spurts and saw a tank moving towards the fence in the border area of Malaka. Israeli drones also dropped tear gas over a crowd of protesters.


https://wgno.com/2018/05/14/37-palestinians-killed-in-gaza-protests-ah
ead-of-us-embassy-opening/amp
/

Israel operates Gaza like the Nazis operated the Warsaw ghetto. What they have created is the largest open-air prison in history, and what you have now is in essence a prison riot. But all of those concerned about human rights in RUSSIA!!! seem not to notice the human rights violations in our biggest buddies, Israel and Saudi Arabia, who (btw) have openly teamed up recently.


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Monday, May 14, 2018 12:06 PM

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"Those provoking problems like we see today in Gaza are part of the problem and not part of the solution." - something Jared Kushner actually just said during his speech at the US Embassy opening in Jerusalem. Pretty sure he wasn't talking about Israel or his father-in-law, but he should have been.

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Monday, May 14, 2018 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But all of those concerned about human rights in RUSSIA!!! seem not to notice the human rights violations in our biggest buddies, Israel and Saudi Arabia, who (btw) have openly teamed up recently.



These are usually the very same people who will claim to be Feminists out of one side of their mouth while being extremely outspoken about their support of Muslims. The hypocrisy of the 2018 Leftist knows no bounds.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, May 14, 2018 9:48 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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37 Palestinians killed in Gaza protests ahead of US embassy opening

At least 37 Palestinians were killed by Israeli forces during clashes at the Gaza border on Monday, the largest number of fatalities suffered in one day since the latest round of protests began more than six weeks ago, the Palestinian Ministry of Health announced.

The demonstrations were taking place hours before the new US embassy was due to officially open in Jerusalem.

The Palestinian Health Ministry said more than 1,600 had suffered injuries, and that many of the dead had not yet been identified. CNN journalists near the Gaza-Israel border heard gunfire in spurts and saw a tank moving towards the fence in the border area of Malaka. Israeli drones also dropped tear gas over a crowd of protesters.


https://wgno.com/2018/05/14/37-palestinians-killed-in-gaza-protests-ah
ead-of-us-embassy-opening/amp
/

Israel operates Gaza like the Nazis operated the Warsaw ghetto. What they have created is the largest open-air prison in history, and what you have now is in essence a prison riot. But all of those concerned about human rights in RUSSIA!!! seem not to notice the human rights violations in our biggest buddies, Israel and Saudi Arabia, who (btw) have openly teamed up recently.

So radical Islamothugs bring their explosives to riot and attack Armed Defensive soldiers, as pretext of "protest"?
Are the dead from themselves detonating their own explosives?

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Monday, May 14, 2018 11:26 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


explosives?

link ...

OR ...

STFU




SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

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Tuesday, May 15, 2018 12:35 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
explosives?

link ...

OR ...

STFU

SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

I'm sorry, I can't do a linky right now.
I checked at DuckDuckGo for "new embassy Palestinian explosive dead" and got plenty of hits, most of the valid ones dated 14 May. The Bloomberg link looks certainty like what you are looking for.
If that is not adequate, I might be able to post kinky tomorrow.

Looks like at least one explosive while being deployed was disrupted by the IDF.

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Tuesday, May 15, 2018 12:43 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Nobody says protesters had explosives except the Jew York Times. And even that was a report of a claim by Israeli military, which never lies. No wonder you can't find a link. It doesn't exist.

google
srael Kills Dozens at Gaza Border as US Embassy Opens in Jerusalem
New York Times-6 hours ago
Tens of thousands of Palestinians took part in the Gaza protests. ... in the crowds were planting or hurling explosives, and that many were ... In a recorded video message played to some 800 people gathered at the new embassy, Mr. .... of Palestinians killed by Israelis since Israel's 2014 invasion of Gaza.
Gaza clashes: 52 Palestinians killed on deadliest day since 2014
BBC News-12 hours ago
Jerusalem Embassy and Gaza Protests: 58 Palestinians Killed by ...
Local Source-Haaretz-17 hours ago
What Trump's Jerusalem Decision Has Wrought
Featured-RollingStone.com-7 hours ago
55 killed in Gaza riots; IAF strikes multiple Hamas targets
International-Ynetnews-12 hours ago
Israel: Trump's new embassy opens – and dozens are killed
In-Depth-The Guardian-11 hours ago

duckduckgo
Striking image shows a chaotic scene unfolding in Gaza as Ivanka Trump debuted new US embassy in Jerusalem
One striking image shows just how different the scenes were on Monday in Jerusalem and Gaza. In Jerusalem Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner spoke at the opening of the new US embassy.
The News-Times|23 minutes ago
The Latest: Palestinian president decries US embassy move
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has lashed out after the U.S. moved its embassy to contested Jerusalem, saying he "will not accept" any peace deal proposed by the Trump administration.
St. Louis Post-Dispatch|17 hours ago
Israelis kill 58 Palestinians in Gaza protests, health officials say
An elderly Palestinian man falls on the ground after being shot by Israeli troops during a deadly protest at the Gaza Strip's border with Israel, east of Khan Younis, Gaza Strip, Monday, May ...
The Providence Journal|4 hours ago
Israeli forces kill dozens in Gaza as U.S. Embassy opens in Jerusalem
GAZA/JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israeli troops shot dead dozens of Palestinian protesters on the Gaza border on Monday when the high-profile opening of the U.S. embassy to Israel in Jerusalem by ...
Reuters|4 hours ago
Officials Say More Than 40 Palestinian Protesters Dead As U.S. Opens Embassy
Tens of thousands of Palestinians are protesting the opening of the new U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem, and Israeli army forces have killed 41 protesters, according to the Gaza Health Ministry.
WBEZ 91.5 Chicago|22 hours ago
Deaths on Gaza Border As Palestinian Jerusalem Embassy Protests Worsen
Defense Force (IDF) jets dropped leaflets on Gaza, urging residents to avoid the crowds expected to converge on the Israel-Gaza border fence, the Associated Press reported. The IDF said that ...
Newsweek|20 hours ago
Dozens Dead as Gaza Erupts Over U.S. Embassy Move to Jerusalem
(Bloomberg) -- Israeli forces shot dead 41 Palestinians as tens of thousands converged on Gaza's border in the worst single day of violence there since a 2014 war, casting a pall over President ...
BloombergQuint|17 hours ago
58 killed in border protests on Gaza's bloodiest day in years
The number of dead and injured made it the Gaza Strip's bloodiest day since the... violence escalated as the United States moved its embassy to Jerusalem with a large ceremony about 40 miles ...




SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

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Tuesday, May 15, 2018 7:33 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Nobody says protesters had explosives except the Jew York Times.



Whoa! Classy!

No doubt you approved of the "pastors" that Trump picked for the opening prayers:

https://bit.ly/2GhWJ8p

Pastors who said 'Jews will go to hell', praised Hitler, lead US Jerusalem embassy prayers

Two American pastors with a history of anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, and anti-gay remarks were invited by the Trump administration to lead prayers on Monday at the inauguration of the US embassy in Jerusalem.

Robert Jeffress, a Southern Baptist preacher in Dallas, Texas, has been a staunch Trump supporter since the billionaire businessman's 2016 campaign.

His past comments, in which he has said Jews will suffer for eternity in hell, were being seen as a rather extraordinary position for someone offering such a public prayer in Israel.

"God sends good people to Hell. Not only do religions like Mormonism, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism - not only do they lead people away from from God, they lead people to an eternity of separation from God in Hell," Jeffress said during a lecture in 2010."

What message were "we" sending to Israel? How backwards and upside down is this administration?

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Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:00 AM

SIGNYM

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What message were "we" sending to Israel?
Which time? When Trump picked pastors for his opening prayers who had said bad things about the Jewish religion, and about Jews?

Or when Trump moved our embassy to Jerusalem?

It's no secret that Israel has an outsized influence on USA foreign policy, AND on our media. I, for one, can't figure out how the Mossad wound up on the same side as Harvey Weinstein*

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The-mail containing an unusual proposal. Norris is married to Ben Rhodes, a former foreign-policy adviser to President Barack Obama and a prominent advocate of the Iran nuclear deal. In the e-mail, a woman who introduced herself as Eva Novak and claimed to work for a London-based film company called Shell Productions asked Norris to consult on a movie that she described as “ ‘All the President’s Men’ meets ‘The West Wing’ ”: it would follow the personal lives of “government officials in the positions that determine war and Peace” during times of geopolitical crisis, including “nuclear negotiations with a hostile nation.” Recalling the exchange, Ann Norris said that she found Eva Novak’s request “bizarre,” and that she “never responded.”

The e-mail appears to be part of an undercover campaign by an Israeli private-intelligence firm to discredit Obama officials who had been leading proponents of the 2015 Iran nuclear deal. The campaign was first reported, on Saturday, by the British newspaper the Observer. However, sources familiar with the effort and pages of documents obtained by The New Yorker reveal that there is more to understand. Two of those sources told me on Sunday that the operation was carried out by Black Cube—a firm that was also employed by Harvey Weinstein and that offers its clients access to operatives from “Israel’s élite military and governmental intelligence units,” including the Mossad.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/israeli-operatives-who-aided-
harvey-weinstein-collected-information-on-former-obama-administration-officials
but Israel and its secret and not-so-secret agents have infiltrated our government since whenever.

*BTW it's "Wiynstiyn" not Wiynsteen". Weinstein means wine-stone.

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Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

What message were "we" sending to Israel?
Which time? When Trump picked pastors for his opening prayers who had said bad things about the Jewish religion, and about Jews?

Or when Trump moved our embassy to Jerusalem?



You don't see the difference? The first one is anti-Jew, and the second one is pro-Israel/Jew.

You... don't... see that?

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Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:14 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Yes, I see it.

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Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:50 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yes, I see it.



Grt! Closer! So what message are we sending to Israel/Jews in the region to send 2 anti-semtic pastors to make prayers for the opening? Doesn't that seem a bit effed up to you?

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Tuesday, May 15, 2018 11:25 AM

SIGNYM

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Grt! Closer! So what message are we sending to Israel/Jews in the region to send 2 anti-semtic pastors to make prayers for the opening? Doesn't that seem a bit effed up to you?
It's hard to say. You can be Jewish and not be a Zionist. You can even be a Jewish Israeli and not be a Zionist, altho that's fairly rare. Even rarer,you can be a Zionist and not even Jewish, as some Armageddonists believe that the rapture will come only after Jerusalem becomes fully Jewish (or something like that).

To me, the problem isn't Judaism per se, or being Israeli, the issue is Zionism. Zionists, as far as I can tell, are almost as fanatical as jihadists, and they don't mind using their historic tragedy to justify their own barbarism. In their mind, they can shoot unarmed civilians and create open-air prison ghettos and creep into genocide because, yanno, Holocaust!.

As far as I can tell, Netehnyahu isn't even particularly religious, so any aspersions cast upon "Jews" just rolls off of him like water off a duck, as long as the Greater State of Israel get support.

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Tuesday, May 15, 2018 2:50 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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What message were "we" sending to Israel?
Which time? When Trump picked pastors for his opening prayers who had said bad things about the Jewish religion, and about Jews?

Or when Trump moved our embassy to Jerusalem?

Did not every President starting with Carter say they would move the U.S. Embassy to the Capitol of Israel?

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Tuesday, May 15, 2018 4:08 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Trump is transforming America’s Israel policy into something new: completely unconditional support.
www.vox.com/world/2018/5/15/17355628/gaza-embassy-jerusalem-trump-poli
cy


There was a striking moment in Monday’s White House press conference when deputy press secretary Raj Shah was asked about the Israeli military’s killing of dozens of Palestinian protesters in Gaza.

Shah said that Hamas, the Islamist militant group that runs Gaza, was responsible for the Palestinian deaths. That’s incomplete given that Israeli soldiers appear to have also shot civilians who did not pose an immediate threat.

Reporters kept pressing Shah on whether Israel bore any responsibility for its soldiers killing protesters, most of whom were unarmed, and Shah kept denying it.

The conversation culminated in an incredibly blunt admission. The Trump administration is essentially fine with Israel responding in whatever way it wants to.

This “blank check” approach is not normal.

Past presidents, Democrat and Republican alike, responded to outbreaks of Israeli-Palestinian violence by urging restraint and calm — typically putting more blame on the Palestinians, to be sure, but also working to try to limit the Israeli response.

President Trump is different. He is pioneering a new, hardline pro-Israel stance — one that fits comfortably in today’s Republican Party and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government.

Even Reagan criticized Israel. Trump seems to be in lockstep with Netanyahu. The Trump policy is clear: Israel will face no pressure from America to moderate its aggressive response.

This kind of position, acting as Israel’s advocate rather than its ally, is the emerging norm for Trump. His ambassador to Israel, David Friedman, is a hard-right pro-Israel advocate who once wrote that the two-state solution is “a suicidal ‘peace’ with hateful radical Islamists hell bent on Israel’s destruction.”

Trump is bringing American policy in line with the position Republican donors and activists have held for quite some time. This is directly linked to the rise of evangelical Protestants in the GOP, whose beliefs about biblically granted rights to the Holy Land make them inclined to take a strongly pro-Israel stance.

Evangelical conservatives tend to frame the conflict in religious, rather than national or political, terms: The land is Jewish by divine right. Evangelicals interpret the Bible literally, so God’s biblical promise to give Palestine to the Jewish people — that’s an eternally valid promise.

Because many evangelicals believe God promised the land to Israel, they see Israelis as unerringly in the right in their conflict with the Palestinians, Iran, or other Muslim neighbors. The Israeli occupation of the West Bank and blockade of Gaza are less of an issue for them than they are for many Democrats, liberal Jews, and even many Israelis.

Trump came to power in a Republican Party where hardcore support for Israel is a matter of faith, literally and figuratively. Trump is merely bringing US foreign policy in line with Republican partisan rhetoric.


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Tuesday, May 15, 2018 7:17 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Nobody says protesters had explosives except the Jew York Times. And even that was a report of a claim by Israeli military, which never lies. No wonder you can't find a link. It doesn't exist.

google
srael Kills Dozens at Gaza Border as US Embassy Opens in Jerusalem
New York Times-6 hours ago
Tens of thousands of Palestinians took part in the Gaza protests. ... in the crowds were planting or hurling explosives, and that many were ...

duckduckgo
(Bloomberg) -- Israeli forces shot dead 41 Palestinians as tens of thousands converged on Gaza's border in the worst single day of violence there since a 2014 war, casting a pall over President ...

SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

I don't now what you are on about. I never said I could not find a link. I clearly stated that I could find multiple links, and even detailed how you, too, could find the same. I used fairly common, simple terms of Standard American English, not some mystery code. Is this not a language you speak?

Here is the linky I specified (from Bloomberg, not NYT):

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-14/eighteen-palestinia
ns-killed-in-unrest-over-u-s-embassy-move

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Israel accuses Hamas of using the protests as cover to attack the Jewish state, and has vowed to prevent any attempts to breach the border, Hamas’s stated goal. The Israeli military said it stopped militants from laying an explosive device

Egged on by loudspeakers and transported in buses, Gazans streamed to the border with Israel, where some threw rocks, burned tires, and flew kites and balloons outfitted with firebombs into Israeli territory.




https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/14/world/middleeast/gaza-protests-pale
stinians-us-embassy.html

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More than 2,700 Palestinian demonstrators were injured on Monday — at least 1,350 by gunfire
What about the other 1,350 injured by something other than gunfire?
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A mass attempt by Palestinians to cross the border fence separating Israel from Gaza turned violent, as Israeli soldiers responded with rifle fire.

Israeli soldiers and snipers used barrages of tear gas as well as live gunfire to keep protesters from entering Israeli territory.
The Israeli military said that some in the crowds were planting or hurling explosives, and that many were flying flaming kites into Israel; at least one kite outside the Nahal Oz kibbutz, near Gaza City, ignited a wildfire.
By midafternoon, the protest nearest to Gaza City had turned into a pitched battle — a chaotic panorama of smoke, sirens and tear gas that stretched along the fence.
A spokesman for the Israeli Defense Forces, Lt. Colonel Jonathan Conricus, cast doubt on the casualty numbers from the Hamas-controlled Health Ministry; he said a large number of those listed as injured had suffered only tear-gas inhalation.

a cleric, holding his index finger in the air as hundreds of people did the same. “Now we are heading to Jerusalem with millions of martyrs. We may die but Palestine will live.”




https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/14/israel-tells-palestinian
s-they-are-risking-lives-in-us-embassy-protests

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Jared Kushner, who said: “As we have seen from the protests of the last month and even today those provoking violence are part of the problem and not part of the solution.”

The Israel Defence Forces said in a statement: “The rioters are hurling firebombs and explosive devices towards the security fence and IDF forces,

Israel’s military said its troops had killed three “terrorists” attempting to place an explosive device adjacent to the fence in the southern area of the strip “under the cover of violent riots”.

Hamas has encouraged and funded the protests and said it would not stop people from attempting to break the metal fence. Loudspeakers at the frontier called for people to push through

Mosques in Gaza called for people to protest as a general strike was observed. Buses ferried residents to the perimeter.




http://nationalpost.com/news/world/at-least-two-dead-as-protests-take-
off-ahead-of-new-u-s-embassy-inauguration-in-jerusalem

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east of Gaza City, organizers urged demonstrators to burst through the fence

talked about their enthusiasm to break into Israel and wreak havoc.

“We are excited to storm and get inside,” said 23-year-old Mohammed Mansoura. When asked what he would do inside Israel, he said, “Whatever is possible, to kill

“Especially violent riots” took place near the southern Gazan city of Rafah, where three people were killed after trying to plant an explosive, the army added.

Israel says that Hamas is using the demonstrations as a cover to carry out attacks, pointing out that some of those killed are known militants.

On Saturday, protesters burned the main cargo terminal to Gaza, causing $2.8 million in damage and further choking off supplies.

Here they are, complaining about not getting supplies, and they burn down their own supply line.


http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2018/05/14/hamas-hijacks-u-s-embass
y-move-stage-deadly-gaza-border-riots
/
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Hamas has a history if exaggerating casualty claims.

According to the IDF, three Gazans were shot while trying to plant explosive devices at the border fence, while others were killed attempting to open fire on Israeli soldiers.
. Several incendiary kites were flown toward Israel. One fell in a field outside Kibbutz outside Mefalsim, sparking a fire

The official Facebook page of the riots in Gaza published these photos, directing rioters to breach the fence and infiltrate nearby Israeli communities

“There is a prohibition for Hamas operatives to approach the border, from a fear that they will be killed or captured by IDF troops, unless the security fence falls and then they must enter, armed, into Israel under the cover of the masses and carry out terror attacks,”

The Islamist terrorist group understands the Gaza population is frustrated that 11 years of Hamas rule has resulted in destructive wars – launched each time by Hamas itself




https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/diplomacy-defense/172763-180420-
palestinian-shot-dead-as-gaza-protests-resume

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Israeli Defense Minister Avigdor Liberman told reporters while visiting the border area on Friday.
He accused militants of pretending to be journalists and Red Crescent workers of taking part in the violence

The threats by the PIJ Terror organization to shoot at IDF officers by snipers from Gaza, constitutes crossing a red line.




https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/172195-180413-idf-braces-for-gaz
a-flag-burning-protest-as-great-march-enters-third-week

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The military, which as deployed snipers and tanks along the border, said that demonstrators in Gaza had thrown "explosives" and Molotov cocktails at the fence, and attempted to damage it.

One explosive device was seen attached to a kite and aimed towards IDF troops




https://www.livemint.com/Politics/TgwgasO3YUKFcGoUVkXbpO/41-dead-sever
al-injured-as-Gaza-erupts-over-US-embassy-move.html

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The Israeli military, which has airdropped leaflets warning protesters to stay away from the frontier, said it stopped militants from laying an explosive device along the frontier.




Here is a question: How many of the Journalists are reporting from Gaza? Why are they all hiding behind their desks in NYC, DC, London? Or at the nearest, inside Israel? Why won't they wander into Terrorist Group Hamas controlled Gaza, where the peace-loving denizen terrorists (aka "protesters" and "demonstrators") will immediately hang them by the neck?

Are these journalists all cowards? Or merely paid agents of Terrorist Group Hamas?

Also, are all of Hamas terrorists cowards? Otherwise why do they insist upon pushing women and children to the forefront of their assault lines?

And who else do you expect to provide reports from the front lines of battle? Turkey? Libya? Pakistan? Italy?

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Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:15 PM

SIGNYM

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I don't now what you are on about. I never said I could not find a link. I clearly stated that I could find multiple links, and even detailed how you, too, could find the same. I used fairly common, simple terms of Standard American English, not some mystery code. Is this not a language you speak?

Here is the linky I specified (from Bloomberg, not NYT):

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-14/eighteen-palestinia
ns-killed-in-unrest-over-u-s-embassy-move

Israel accuses Hamas of using the protests as cover to attack the Jewish state, and has vowed to prevent any attempts to breach the border, Hamas’s stated goal. The Israeli military said it stopped militants from laying an explosive device

Egged on by loudspeakers and transported in buses, Gazans streamed to the border with Israel, where some threw rocks, burned tires, and flew kites and balloons outfitted with firebombs into Israeli territory.

Apparently not. The biggest issue is "burning kites", which cause brush fires when they land, not "firebombs". There was ONE instance, the military says, of a kite which landed with what APPEARED to be an explosive device, but they can't tell if it was a dud, a fake, or a test. (If this indeed happened, I'm sure they figured it out by now.)



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More than 2,700 Palestinian demonstrators were injured on Monday — at least 1,350 by gunfire
What about the other 1,350 injured by something other than gunfire?

Yes, what about them?

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A mass attempt by Palestinians to cross the border fence separating Israel from Gaza turned violent, as Israeli soldiers responded with rifle fire.

Israeli soldiers and snipers used barrages of tear gas as well as live gunfire to keep protesters from entering Israeli territory.

Well, live gunfire in response to "motion" surely isn't proportionate.

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The Israeli military said that some
Two or three in a thousand?
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in the crowds were planting or hurling explosives, and that many were flying flaming kites into Israel; at least one kite outside the Nahal Oz kibbutz, near Gaza City, ignited a wildfire.
You would think that there would be evidence of such devices.

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Jared Kushner, who said: “As we have seen from the protests of the last month and even today those provoking violence are part of the problem and not part of the solution.”

The Israel Defence Forces said in a statement: “The rioters are hurling firebombs and explosive devices towards the security fence and IDF forces,

Evidence? Videos? Devices?

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Israel’s military said its troops had killed three “terrorists” attempting to place an explosive device adjacent to the fence in the southern area of the strip “under the cover of violent riots”.

Hamas has encouraged and funded the protests and said it would not stop people from attempting to break the metal fence. Loudspeakers at the frontier called for people to push through

OH MY GOD, THE HORROR! People pushing through with their bodies!! That DEFINITELY deserves live fire! [/snark]

JSF, by now you should be wary of allegations without evidence. From my long observation of the Israeli government, they - like globalists, neocons, and all manner of politicians, lie like a rug. I can't tell you the number of times they claimed something that wasn't true, or denied something that happened.

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 3:35 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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I don't now what you are on about. I never said I could not find a link. I clearly stated that I could find multiple links, and even detailed how you, too, could find the same. I used fairly common, simple terms of Standard American English, not some mystery code. Is this not a language you speak?

Here is the linky I specified (from Bloomberg, not NYT):

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-14/eighteen-palestinia
ns-killed-in-unrest-over-u-s-embassy-move

Israel accuses Hamas of using the protests as cover to attack the Jewish state, and has vowed to prevent any attempts to breach the border, Hamas’s stated goal. The Israeli military said it stopped militants from laying an explosive device

Egged on by loudspeakers and transported in buses, Gazans streamed to the border with Israel, where some threw rocks, burned tires, and flew kites and balloons outfitted with firebombs into Israeli territory.

Apparently not. The biggest issue is "burning kites", which cause brush fires when they land, not "firebombs". There was ONE instance, the military says, of a kite which landed with what APPEARED to be an explosive device, but they can't tell if it was a dud, a fake, or a test. (If this indeed happened, I'm sure they figured it out by now.)
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More than 2,700 Palestinian demonstrators were injured on Monday — at least 1,350 by gunfire
What about the other 1,350 injured by something other than gunfire?

Yes, what about them?
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A mass attempt by Palestinians to cross the border fence separating Israel from Gaza turned violent, as Israeli soldiers responded with rifle fire.

Israeli soldiers and snipers used barrages of tear gas as well as live gunfire to keep protesters from entering Israeli territory.

Well, live gunfire in response to "motion" surely isn't proportionate.
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The Israeli military said that some
Two or three in a thousand?
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in the crowds were planting or hurling explosives, and that many were flying flaming kites into Israel; at least one kite outside the Nahal Oz kibbutz, near Gaza City, ignited a wildfire.
You would think that there would be evidence of such devices.
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Jared Kushner, who said: “As we have seen from the protests of the last month and even today those provoking violence are part of the problem and not part of the solution.”

The Israel Defence Forces said in a statement: “The rioters are hurling firebombs and explosive devices towards the security fence and IDF forces,

Evidence? Videos? Devices?

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Israel’s military said its troops had killed three “terrorists” attempting to place an explosive device adjacent to the fence in the southern area of the strip “under the cover of violent riots”.

Hamas has encouraged and funded the protests and said it would not stop people from attempting to break the metal fence. Loudspeakers at the frontier called for people to push through

OH MY GOD, THE HORROR! People pushing through with their bodies!! That DEFINITELY deserves live fire! [/snark]

JSF, by now you should be wary of allegations without evidence. From my long observation of the Israeli government, they - like globalists, neocons, and all manner of politicians, lie like a rug. I can't tell you the number of times they claimed something that wasn't true, or denied something that happened.

So your story is that the Terrorist Hamas webpages mapping out and diagramming how to breach the border and infiltrate to kill Israelis, and commit terrorism, is all Fake?
And that Israel should not be allowed to defend itself from Armed incursion of terrorists?
And you prefer to believe every lie from known Terrorists and proven habitual liars?

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 6:43 AM

SIGNYM

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So your story is that the Terrorist Hamas webpages mapping out and diagramming how to breach the border and infiltrate to kill Israelis, and commit terrorism, is all Fake?
First of all, I haven't seen such webpages.
Secondly, assuming that they exist and aren't fake, who provided the translation for you? Israel?
Third, who said that those webpages, even if they exist and are at least approximately translated, have anything to do with THIS event?

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And that Israel should not be allowed to defend itself from Armed incursion of terrorists?
There were thousands of people there, MAYBE a few had actual weapons (yanno, besides stones, kites, and burning tires). But I doubt it, Do you want to know why? Because ALL of the deaths occurred on the Palestinian side.
This was hardly an "armed incursion" by Palestinians... if anything, it was more like the "immigrant convoy" that showed up on our border.

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And you prefer to believe every lie from known Terrorists and proven habitual liars?
The State of Israel also happens to be "terrorist state" but with vastly better weapons than anyone else around.

They killed unarmed activists who were in a flotilla heading for Gaza in 2010
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Israeli commandos kill activists on flotilla bound for Gaza
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/may/31/israel-kills-activists-f
lotilla-gaza



They attacked a US Navy ship, the USS Liberty, with gunships and planes, and killed or wounded more than 200 US sailors
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The time Israel attacked a US navy ship and killed dozens

...Three days into Israel's Six-Day War, the Liberty was parked off the coast of Egypt collecting communication signals in international waters.

While initially some concern was given to the ship's getting too close to shore, or mistaken for an enemy vessel, those misgivings seem to have vanished when Israeli planes flew in for a visual inspection at about 6:00 a.m. local time — as the mist was still burning off the surface of the Mediterranean.

American sailors say the Israeli aircraft flew so close to the Liberty that they rattled the its steel plating while the ship's crew waved to the planes pilots, who did the same in return.

All morning and into the afternoon, the Liberty went about her mission unmolested when at 1:40 p.m., unknown to the Liberty crew, an Israel torpedo boat reported an "unknown vessel" traveling at speeds only attributable to warships.

Twenty minutes later a pair of Mirage II fighters rattled down over the Liberty and made two visual inspection passes at 3,000 feet. The Mirage pilots radioed command that the ship looked like a non-Israeli destroyer, and orders came back over the airwaves to attack.

The Liberty's command knew the planes were Israeli so the ship's crew were all on "stand down" mode, non-defensive, with no helmets or even life jackets at the ready. The twin Mirage's pounded the Liberty with all the cannons, rockets, and bombs at their disposal during three separate runs. When they depleted their ammunition they were replaced by two Dassault Mysteres filled with napalm bombs that tore into the Liberty, engulfing it in a raging inferno from the bridge to the deck.


http://www.businessinsider.com/45-years-ago-this-week-israel-attacked-
a-us-navy-ship-and-killed-dozens-of-sailors-survivors-want-to-know-why-2012-6


They directed the Christian Phalangists to slaughter over a 1000 refugees ... like, in refugees tents in Lebanon.

They routinely kill civilians in the West Bank and Gaza, and control/ embargo the food, water, power, medical supplies, building materials, and other necessities of life for millions of people, treating them like rats in a deprivation experiment, shooting them at random, and stealing their land.



There are quite a few Israelis ... in government ... who will tell you that the solution to the problem is to get rid of Palestinians. Sounds like ethnic cleansing to me. So who are the terrorists here, JSF?

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 3:59 PM

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So your story is that the Terrorist Hamas webpages mapping out and diagramming how to breach the border and infiltrate to kill Israelis, and commit terrorism, is all Fake?
First of all, I haven't seen such webpages.
Secondly, assuming that they exist and aren't fake, who provided the translation for you? Israel?
Third, who said that those webpages, even if they exist and are at least approximately translated, have anything to do with THIS event?

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And that Israel should not be allowed to defend itself from Armed incursion of terrorists?

Geez, for all the whining and bitching you Densans go on about when links aren't spoon-fed to you, you don't even bother to look at the info when they are provided, even when just to disprove your denials.
At the minimum, the breitbart link had the details.

And BTW, the Sun Rises In The Orient.

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Thursday, May 17, 2018 1:17 AM

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I just heard the news report that senior Hamas Official confirmed that 50 of the dead were in fact Hamas militants, attacking Israel. He reported this to some Palestinian newspaper, but the name was not given.

Got lots of hits all over the interwebs.
Hamas Official was Salah Albardawil. News was Bladna Al Alamyia.

And already confirmed before were 3 Terrorists of Iran's Saraya-al-Quds wing of the Islamic Jihad.

So 53 of the 62 dead were confirmed Terrorists attacking Israel. But the IDF Defended Israel by stopping the enemy combatants before breaching the border fence (aka in Gaza), none died after breaching the border objective (aka in Israel).



But wait!!! If IDF tells the truth and Hamas are liars, then can we believe Hamas confirming what IDF reported - meaning both groups lied? Or if IDF lies and only the Terrorists tell the truth, then can we believe IDF reports - meaning they didn't lie?


Aaaaaaand the denials in 5...4...3...

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Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:06 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


JSF, the breitbart article that you linked is nothing but The IDF said .... the IDF said ... the IDf said Not a single piece of corroborating evidence from anyone else. Even the "Facebook page" was something that "the IDF said .."

And that article, supposedly by Hamas leader? It was translated by MEMRI, and I have long ago discounted anything that they "translate".

I think you're making the mistake of thinking that just because one side is "evil" the other side must be "good". That's like thinking that because Democrats are corrupt, Republicans must be moral.

Here's an another example of wrong binary thinking

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Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan also slammed Netanyahu, calling him “the PM of an apartheid state,” and claiming he has “the blood of Palestinians on his hands.”
This, from the guy who - until recently - actively supported ISIL in Syria and persecutes Kurds everywhere. A point that Netanyahu ... a PM engaged in slow ethnic cleansing .... pointed out
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“the blood of countless Kurdish citizens in Turkey and Syria” on Erdogan’s hands.


Who's the good guy in that one? I'm not seeing any.


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Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:11 AM

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JSF, the breitbart article that you linked is nothing but The IDF said .... the IDF said ... the IDf said Not a single piece of corroborating evidence from anyone else. Even the "Facebook page" was something that "the IDF said .."

And that article, supposedly by Hamas leader? It was translated by MEMRI, and I have long ago discounted anything that they "translated'.

Did you look at the Facebook page from Hamas giving direction and assault warplan for the day?

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Thursday, May 17, 2018 10:01 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Did you look at the Facebook page from Hamas giving direction and assault warplan for the day?
Yes, I did. What I saw was that it was "helpfully" tweeted by .... wait for it ... the IDF.

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IDF
?Verified account @IDFSpokesperson
The official Facebook page of the riots in Gaza published these photos, directing rioters to breach the fence and infiltrate nearby Israeli communities

Also, if you "copy image location" as I did, you'll find that the image is from "pbs/twimg.com". Now, I don't know who THAT is ... PBS maybe? .... but it certainly NOT from anything that looks like a Hamas FB address. So I have no way of getting back to the original FB page (assuming that it even exists) to verify the information.

Did you know that during the "Arab Spring" in Egypt, roughly HALF of the tweets circulating through the protesters originated in Israel? Do you think that Russia is the only one with troll factories? Russia, Israel, China ... the USA .... are all disinformation experts. Be careful of what the Israeli govt/ IDF says. They lie even worse than the Russians.


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Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:13 PM

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Did you look at the Facebook page from Hamas giving direction and assault warplan for the day?
Yes, I did. What I saw was that it was "helpfully" tweeted by .... wait for it ... the IDF.
Quote:

IDF
?Verified account @IDFSpokesperson
The official Facebook page of the riots in Gaza published these photos, directing rioters to breach the fence and infiltrate nearby Israeli communities



Quote:

Quote:


Also, if you "copy image location" as I did, you'll find that the image is from "pbs/twimg.com". Now, I don't know who THAT is ... PBS maybe? .... but it certainly NOT from anything that looks like a Hamas FB address. So I have no way of getting back to the original FB page (assuming that it even exists) to verify the information.

Did you know that during the "Arab Spring" in Egypt, roughly HALF of the tweets circulating through the protesters originated in Israel? Do you think that Russia is the only one with troll factories? Russia, Israel, China ... the USA .... are all disinformation experts. Be careful of what the Israeli govt/ IDF says. They lie even worse than the Russians.

Does IDF lie more than Hamas, Iran? Does this include before deliberative international bodies, or only when they are being attacked?


Washington post had already reported that the Sit-In Demonstrators had brought knives and fence cutters for their peaceful protest.


Is Facebook.com/GNNA.NOW/ a peaceful webpage.

On those videos of the Hamas leaders admitting that they are deceiving everybody with any talk of peaceful protests, if we assume the MEMRI translation is faulty, is there another source of translation which you consider reliable?


How pic.Twitter.com/ufaakgtcea


How about the video of Gazans breaching the border fence and infiltrating Israel with their Peaceful Demonstrator Meat Cleaver Protest to commit murder, kidnapping, terrorism? Is that fabricated by the evil Western journalists?

One story by Elder of Ziyon makes good points.

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Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:28 PM

SIGNYM

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Does IDF lie more than Hamas, Iran?
Truth is a very rare find when digging thru the steaming piles of shit that most governments spew.

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Washington post had already reported that the Sit-In Demonstrators had brought knives and fence cutters for their peaceful protest.
And none of that justifies "shoot to kill or maim" from the other side of the fence.


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Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:53 PM

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Does IDF lie more than Hamas, Iran?
Truth is a very rare find when digging thru the steaming piles of shit that most governments spew.

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Washington post had already reported that the Sit-In Demonstrators had brought knives and fence cutters for their peaceful protest.
And none of that justifies

What is the need of knives and fence cutters for Sit-In Demonstrators who are not going to attempt to breach the border fence?
Or are you admitting that Peaceful Protest is merely a deceptive lie?

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Thursday, May 17, 2018 8:25 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Did you look at the Facebook page from Hamas giving direction and assault warplan for the day?
Yes, I did. What I saw was that it was "helpfully" tweeted by .... wait for it ... the IDF.
Quote:

IDF
?Verified account @IDFSpokesperson
The official Facebook page of the riots in Gaza published these photos, directing rioters to breach the fence and infiltrate nearby Israeli communities



Quote:

Quote:


Also, if you "copy image location" as I did, you'll find that the image is from "pbs/twimg.com". Now, I don't know who THAT is ... PBS maybe? .... but it certainly NOT from anything that looks like a Hamas FB address. So I have no way of getting back to the original FB page (assuming that it even exists) to verify the information.

Did you know that during the "Arab Spring" in Egypt, roughly HALF of the tweets circulating through the protesters originated in Israel? Do you think that Russia is the only one with troll factories? Russia, Israel, China ... the USA .... are all disinformation experts. Be careful of what the Israeli govt/ IDF says. They lie even worse than the Russians.

Does IDF lie more than Hamas, Iran? Does this include before deliberative international bodies, or only when they are being attacked?


Washington post had already reported that the Sit-In Demonstrators had brought knives and fence cutters for their peaceful protest.


Is Facebook.com/GNNA.NOW/ a peaceful webpage.

On those videos of the Hamas leaders admitting that they are deceiving everybody with any talk of peaceful protests, if we assume the MEMRI translation is faulty, is there another source of translation which you consider reliable?


How pic.Twitter.com/ufaakgtcea


How about the video of Gazans breaching the border fence and infiltrating Israel with their Peaceful Demonstrator Meat Cleaver Protest to commit murder, kidnapping, terrorism? Is that fabricated by the evil Western journalists?

One story by Elder of Ziyon makes good points.

Here's a linky:
http://daledamos.blogspot.com/2018/05/lies-damn-lies-and-gaza-riots.ht
ml#more


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Sunday, May 20, 2018 4:35 AM

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Does IDF lie more than Hamas, Iran?
Truth is a very rare find when digging thru the steaming piles of shit that most governments spew.

Are you saying the Terrorist group Hamas, sacrificing Palestinian women and children, is a Government?

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Sunday, May 20, 2018 4:47 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Did you look at the Facebook page from Hamas giving direction and assault warplan for the day?
Yes, I did. What I saw was that it was "helpfully" tweeted by .... wait for it ... the IDF.
Quote:

IDF
?Verified account @IDFSpokesperson
The official Facebook page of the riots in Gaza published these photos, directing rioters to breach the fence and infiltrate nearby Israeli communities



Quote:

Quote:


Also, if you "copy image location" as I did, you'll find that the image is from "pbs/twimg.com". Now, I don't know who THAT is ... PBS maybe? .... but it certainly NOT from anything that looks like a Hamas FB address. So I have no way of getting back to the original FB page (assuming that it even exists) to verify the information.



Seems that pbs/twimg is the standard repository site for Twitter images.
Are you able to find a Twitter pic which doesn't have that address?

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