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This is Why Trump is a SCUMBAG!

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 6:02 AM

REAVERFAN


Yup. Blumpy couldn't get a payday loan in the US.

But the Russian mob? Of course, comrade.


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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 7:48 AM

REAVERFAN


The GOP has been complicit in the subversion of American democracy.

Unfortunately Trump administration officials are blocking an investigation into 21 state election systems that were attacked by Russia.[1] Moreover, Republicans in the House Intelligence Committee voted to shut down the Russia probe.[2] Republicans shut down the HIC investigation when we know of at least 70 contacts between the Trump team and Russia-linked operatives, the committee obtained either no or incomplete information about 81% of known contacts between Trump officials and Russians.^[3] Six Democrats who are Ranking Members of their committees have been forced to request documents related to the Russian attacks against 21 state election systems in 2016 from Speaker of the House Paul Ryan.[4] It is doubtful that Paul Ryan will assist, he sat by idly while Republican Congressman Nunes made a mockery of the Russia investigation in the House Intelligence Committee for over a year.[5]

While Republicans in the House have been unhelpful, their Senate counterparts have reacted differently. However the Senate leadership has been no better than the House Republicans. The Senate Intelligence Committee, led by Republican Senator and Chairman Richard Burr and Ranking Member Democratic Senator Mark Warner, have said that the Russia investigation will not be ending any time soon.[6] The bipartisan Senate investigation concluded and found that Vladimir Putin interfered in the 2016 U.S. election to specifically help Donald Trump.[7]

“The committee concurs with intelligence and open-source assessments that this influence campaign was approved by President Putin,” the panel said Tuesday in a report that endorsed as “sound” the intelligence findings issued in January 2017. The committee said there was a body of intelligence “to support the assessment that Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for Trump.”

Furthermore, a bipartisan bill has been drafted to protect Special Counsel Mueller from being fired, but there is significant push back from Republican leaders in the Senate.[8] A bipartisan bill to protect Mueller was voted on and approved by the Senate Judiciary Committee. Four GOP senators broke rank with the party, enough to approve the bill with Democrat support.[9] While the Senate Judiciary committee has approved the bill, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has said that there has been no indication that Special Counsel Mueller will be fired so there is no need for legislation to protect the investigation.[10] Senate majority leader McConnell is refusing to allow a vote on the Senate floor for a bill to protect Special Counsel Mueller.[11] Senator McConnell's reasoning is absurd if we consider the fact that President Trump has attempted to fire Mueller twice. In June of 2017 President Trump attempted to fire Special Counsel Mueller, he was allegedly stopped by White House Counsel Don McGahn when he threatened to resign over the move.[12] In December President Trump wanted to fire Mueller and shut down the investigation again after investigators issued subpoenas for obtaining information about the President's business dealings with Deutsche Bank.[13]

Washington Examiner - Democrats ask Paul Ryan to help dislodge DHS records on Russian election meddling

Reuters - Republicans shut down House Russia probe over Democratic objections

NBC - House probe overlooked most Trump-Russia contacts, report claims

The Hill - House Dems ask Ryan to intervene on Russia documents

Wall Street Journal - Paul Ryan Rejects Call for Devin Nunes to Step Aside From Probe

Reuters - Senate's Trump-Russia probe not close to ending: top Democrat

Bloomberg - Senate Intelligence Committee Agrees That Putin Meddled to Help Trump

Politico - Bipartisan Senate bill to protect Mueller set to advance

NPR - Bill To Protect Mueller Investigation Approved By Senate Judiciary Committee

The Hill - McConnell: Legislation to protect Mueller not needed

USA Today - McConnell: No Senate vote on bill to protect Special Counsel Robert Mueller

Washington Post - Trump moved to fire Mueller in June, bringing White House counsel to the brink of leaving

New York Times - Trump Sought to Fire Mueller in December

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 10:35 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
The GOP has been complicit in the subversion of American democracy.

When Sean Spicer stepped out in front of the cameras on his first day as White House press secretary to tell obvious lies it was a shocking scene, and it was received as such. Eighteen months later, we have a future Supreme Court justice doing it. In his very first remarks to the American people, Judge Kavanaugh chose to tell a bald-faced lie that strikes to the core of the American constitutional system.

A great many Republicans — including many in Congress and many of his own appointees — find this or that aspect of Trump’s conduct to be regrettable on one or more levels. But the party has, as a whole, made a collective and unanimous decision that they are all on the same team and fighting for the same cause. It’s a cause they’ve given up on securing majority voter support for, but believe can be effectively advanced through gerrymandering, filibusters, judicial review, vote suppression, cable news propaganda, etc.

A few Republican senators or House members could, through concerted action, easily put the brakes on Trump’s personal corruption or ongoing efforts to conduct a partisan purge of the FBI. But they don’t, because they unanimously don’t want to and a large minority of them want to actively help Trump. And the reason they don’t want to check Trump is they see Trump’s presence in office as a useful way to advance their policy goals.

A $1.5 trillion dollar tax cut for the wealthy and the invalidation of EPA regulations is certainly ordinary politics in the sense that it could be happening with Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio in the White House, but there’s nothing “just politics” about it. These are questions on which fortunes are made and lives are lost, and not only does normal politics offer Republicans a compelling reason to back Trump’s regime, it legitimizes fundamentally anti-democratic stances that keep them in office.

More at www.vox.com/2018/7/9/17551606/brett-kavanaugh-normcore-politics

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 5:58 PM

REAVERFAN


Blumpy pardons reichwing terrorists.

Trump pardons ranchers in case that inspired 2016 occupation of wildlife refuge in Oregon
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-pardo
n-dwight-steven-hammond-20180710-story.html


Remember those idiots? SCUMBAG!

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Wednesday, July 11, 2018 7:23 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:

Remember those idiots? SCUMBAG!

Where I live, in Texas, the Republican voters believe those idiots are "heroes". GOP voting Texans are pleased with the Trump pardons. Those same Texans also say they are not racists. At least that is what they say in public, but in private they are stone-cold racists. There are sinister beliefs running free inside of the heads of GOP voters in Texas. Getting 'em drunk and they tell the truth. But when sober, they are too sneaky to actually admit to having those beliefs, but the beliefs are there none the less:

Racial resentment is the biggest predictor of immigration attitudes.

White Americans’ negative attitudes toward immigrants are driven overwhelmingly by racial prejudices, not “economic anxiety.”

Some commentators claim the attitudes driving Trump and his supporters on questions of immigration are primarily economic, rather than racial in nature. To quote Trump, Mexicans are “taking our jobs. They’re taking our manufacturing jobs. They’re taking our money. They’re killing us.” Political scientists have subsequently tested Trump’s theory, at least as it applies to Trump support overall, and found Trump's theory to be false — over and over and over again. It turns out that an ounce of racial resentment is worth a pound of either economic anxiety or anxiety about crime.

More about how Trump voters unintentionally exposed their true motivations at www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/07/10/racial-resentment-is-bigges
t-predictor-immigration-attitudes-study-finds/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5c949fab1f14

or
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/07/immigrant-bashing-is-all-about-
racism
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, July 11, 2018 7:41 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by JJ:
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

I'm trying to make sense of YOUR posts. If Trump is bad - why is he bad?



Scroll up. Read some links.



Incredible, we have two years of discussions in many different threads explaining not only why trump is a bad president, but why he is a nightmare.

Yet kiki says what? Where I come from we call that a runaround. Informal deceitful or evasive behavior.

T




Clearly here just to agitate.

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Wednesday, July 11, 2018 8:04 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:

Clearly here just to agitate.

For many years I have believed this is just a training exercise for Russian trolls. A Russian student will log in under either the name "1kiki" or "SignyM". The instructor is grading the student. Can they pass as Americans who were once Democrats but are now voting for the GOP? The Russian students are doing excellent. They write well, they are serving Putin, they will get a job influencing American elections, once they graduate. (Too bad there aren't more good jobs in Russia because influencing Americans is a waste of well-talented Russians.) The alternative to 1kiki and SignyM being Russians is that they are actual Americans. That is SAD! I don't want to believe that any American is that screwed up in the head, but neither 1kiki and SignyM are at all like actual Republicans or disappointed ex-Democrats I know in Texas.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, July 11, 2018 1:17 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Corruption is not exactly new to American politics. But never before in American history has the president of the United States been a person whose entire career has been devoted to enriching himself. Donald Trump is first and foremost a greedy person, and despite his campaign season promises to set avarice aside and “be greedy for the United States,” he has, in practice, relentlessly monetized the presidency. He has refused to divest from his business, refused to engage in any meaningful financial disclosure, and clearly encourages businesses and others with interest in the policy process to cut him in on a piece of the action by holding events at his clubs and hotels. Members of his exclusive Florida beach club (annual membership fee: $200,000) get choice tours of Air Force One. Pay Trump, get a tour.

Trump faces credible accusations of sexual assault from Summer Zervos and others, as well as a whole range of other creepy behaviors like peeping on teen beauty pageant contestants while they were changing backstage. Trump says racist stuff all the time, including in conversations with US senators, and spent years as a major proponent of anti-vaccine conspiracy theories.

Republicans hold a majority in the Senate at the moment and could easily confirm replacements for any of Trump's appointees who got fired in a house-cleaning. But nobody can articulate a plausible red line — on corruption, on sexual misconduct, on racism, on conspiracy theories, on honesty, or virtually anything else — that wouldn’t implicate the president and his family.

More at www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/11/17546970/trump-pruitt-shine

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, July 11, 2018 2:26 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
I don't want to believe that any American is that screwed up in the head, but neither 1kiki and SignyM are at all like actual Republicans or disappointed ex-Democrats I know in Texas.

I'm sorry your very limited experience and thinking has led you so far astray from reality.




SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

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Wednesday, July 11, 2018 2:27 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Wednesday, July 11, 2018 8:04 AM

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=62480&mid=1
056861#1056861

Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:

Clearly here just to agitate.

For many years I have believed this is just a training exercise for Russian trolls. A Russian student will log in under either the name "1kiki" or "SignyM". The instructor is grading the student. Can they pass as Americans who were once Democrats but are now voting for the GOP? The Russian students are doing excellent. They write well, they are serving Putin, they will get a job influencing American elections, once they graduate. (Too bad there aren't more good jobs in Russia because influencing Americans is a waste of well-talented Russians.) The alternative to 1kiki and SignyM being Russians is that they are actual Americans. That is SAD! I don't want to believe that any American is that screwed up in the head, but neither 1kiki and SignyM are at all like actual Republicans or disappointed ex-Democrats I know in Texas.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly






SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

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Wednesday, July 11, 2018 3:01 PM

REAVERFAN


Foreign investment in the United States plunged 32% in 2017
https://money.cnn.com/2018/07/11/news/economy/foreign-direct-investmen
t-2017/index.html



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Wednesday, July 11, 2018 3:38 PM

REAVERFAN


TRUMP GOES FULL “NO PUPPET, YOU’RE THE PUPPET” ON ANGELA MERKEL
During a deeply uncomfortable NATO breakfast meeting, the president accused Germany of being “totally controlled” by Russia.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/trump-goes-full-no-puppet-your
e-the-puppet-on-angela-merkel


Sources who’ve discussed the pipeline with the president told Axios that it’s a long-standing obsession of his for two reasons: 1) because he wants Germany to buy American gas instead, and 2) because in his mind, German Chancellor Angela Merkel is a “hypocrite” who’s always “lecturing” him on things like maintaining international order, while “not spending enough on Germany’s defense [and] sucking up to Iran and Russia.” Unfortunately for Trump, not only did his breakfast tangent make everyone present deeply uncomfortable, it was also grossly inaccurate. As Reuters notes, his comment that the Germans get “60 to 70 percent of their energy from Russia and a new pipeline” vastly overestimated Germany’s dependence—in reality, about 20 percent of its energy use derives from Russian oil and gas. He also seemed to imply that the German government was putting up the funds for the pipeline, when in fact it’s a commercial venture. Moreover, whether accidentally or on purpose, Trump failed to articulate the real issue with the pipeline, which is still opposed by some E.U. members: it could potentially allow Moscow to cut off gas to other Baltic states, giving it even more leverage over Western Europe.

By pointing a diminutive orange finger at Germany, Trump is trying to spread the blame, deflecting attention from his own administration’s all-too-cozy ties to Putin, whom he’ll visit later this week. It’s the same move he pulled in October 2016, when he so eloquently told Hillary Clinton, “No puppet, no puppet. You’re the puppet.” For their part, the Europeans were not impressed; Merkel, who grew up in a Germany that was literally partially controlled by Russia, remarked that the country had been “free of Russian control since the fall of the Berlin Wall”:

The entire world laughs at the moronic child who can only babble nonsense. SCUMBAG!

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Wednesday, July 11, 2018 4:02 PM

REAVERFAN


Donald Trump's Supporters 'Want Anybody Darker Than a Latte Deported,' Claims Republican Strategist
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-supporters-darker-latte-1018600

Rick Wilson has the best way with words. His followup: GOP immigration policy summed up in 3 tweets.

1/ The reaction to my CNN appearance today is perfectly telling. The whole "politically-incorrect tough-talking-dick-swinging-fuck-your feelings-snowflake-melter" crowd is really comprised of the most brittle, fragile, insecure, weak-ass punks imaginable.

2/ The overt racial animus in many of Trump's base is virulent, widespread, readily detectable in surveys, and manifested through their orange avatar when he calls for restrictions on immigration from shithole countries, etc.

3/ They favor restrictions on legal immigration. They dehumanize asylum seekers, refugees, and even those here from foreign nations with legal status. They embraced the family separation policy with glee until Trump discovered it was blowing up in his face.

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Wednesday, July 11, 2018 8:20 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
I don't want to believe that any American is that screwed up in the head, but neither 1kiki and SignyM are at all like actual Republicans or disappointed ex-Democrats I know in Texas.

I'm sorry your very limited experience and thinking has led you so far astray from reality.


I'm sorry obvious troll is obvious. ^

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Thursday, July 12, 2018 2:11 AM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


I sometimes have wondered -with the amount of grad students we have had come through here- if they aren't actual programmed chatbots and someone out there is studying their posts and our interaction with them. Maybe the study stopped years ago and it's just a hobby now.

The thing I just don't get though... It's clear that in however many years they've been here that they haven't had a lot of converts to their causes, so why bother?? Surely there must be other groups of like minded people for them to commune with...SO WHY HERE??? I mean, there isn't even anything IN Firefly that was remotely Socialist...If anything the sentiment was Anti-Socialist with Mal fighting central command structure??

I dunno... I don't get it...




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Thursday, July 12, 2018 3:43 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


If anything the sentiment was Anti-Capitalist with Mal fighting central corporate/ government structure??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_%28Firefly%29

The Alliance is a fictional corporate supergovernment in the Firefly franchise, a powerful authoritarian government and law-enforcement organization that controls the majority of territory within the known universe.

Corporations

The Blue Sun corporation is a powerful conglomerate with much influence within the Alliance. Joss Whedon compared it with "Coca-Cola or Microsoft" and said that "practically half the government was Blue Sun". Their agents are "Hands of Blue".




SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

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Thursday, July 12, 2018 11:04 AM

REAVERFAN


Hate Crimes On The Rise In California, Especially Against Latinos
https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2018/07/10/latino-hate-crimes-californ
ia
/

Wow. It's almost as if these people are emboldened because there's someone in power who shares their views!

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Thursday, July 12, 2018 12:30 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Donald Trump's Supporters 'Want Anybody Darker Than a Latte Deported,' Claims Republican Strategist



Oh shit! I just got a great tan working on my car.

Womp Womp

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, July 12, 2018 6:04 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
If anything the sentiment was Anti-Capitalist with Mal fighting central corporate/ government structure??



I don't think the show was about having NO leadership, just not having a planet half a solar system away trying and failing to lead ANYTHING effectively. Thus the comment about being meddled with or left alone equally. I wouldn't want to have a ruling system on another planet I didn't get a say in, and always assumed it was a modern take on the Revolutionary War. Joss isn't a Socialist, either way...


"In July 2012, at the San Diego Comic-Con International, in response to one woman who noted the anti-corporate themes in many of his films, and asked him to give his economic philosophy in 30 seconds or less, Whedon spoke out against both socialism and capitalism, stating that "ultimately all these systems don't work".[citation needed] (from Wiki)


And it's not like Mal wasn't trying to earn a profit, either...so you are just grasping at straws there...

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Friday, July 13, 2018 1:06 PM

REAVERFAN

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Friday, July 13, 2018 1:10 PM

JJ


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:

Trump Denies Saying Something He Was Recorded Saying

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/trump-denies-saying-somet
hing-he-was-recorded-saying.html





T

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Friday, July 13, 2018 4:33 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
If anything the sentiment was Anti-Capitalist with Mal fighting central corporate/ government structure??



I don't think the show was about having NO leadership, just not having a planet half a solar system away trying and failing to lead ANYTHING effectively. Thus the comment about being meddled with or left alone equally. I wouldn't want to have a ruling system on another planet I didn't get a say in, and always assumed it was a modern take on the Revolutionary War. Joss isn't a Socialist, either way...


"In July 2012, at the San Diego Comic-Con International, in response to one woman who noted the anti-corporate themes in many of his films, and asked him to give his economic philosophy in 30 seconds or less, Whedon spoke out against both socialism and capitalism, stating that "ultimately all these systems don't work".[citation needed] (from Wiki)


And it's not like Mal wasn't trying to earn a profit, either...so you are just grasping at straws there...



Regarding the part of your quote that I underlined... What was your opinion on Brexit? I'm asking because I don't remember if you actually had one or not, but people who agree with you on a lot of things here very much do have one.

Just figured I'd mention it because minus the "living on another planet" part, that is pretty much exactly the definition of what the EU does to its member nations. Only add to that the fact that nobody sitting at the head table and making the decisions for you is actually voted in.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, July 14, 2018 12:30 PM

REAVERFAN


Trump’s presidency is illegitimate
Meuller’s indictments of 12 Russian intelligence agents prove that the Kremlin stole the election for Trump
https://www.salon.com/2018/07/14/trumps-presidency-is-illegitimate/

It’s all right there in the indictment — day by day, hack by hack, theft by theft — how agents of the Russian intelligence service, the GRU, set out in the spring of 2016 to steal the election for Donald Trump. When you track the actions taken by Russian intelligence in the indictment with statements made by Trump and actions taken on his behalf by members of his campaign, the picture is as clear as an iPhone photo. Agents of the Russian government coordinated with members of the Trump campaign and took cues from Trump himself in order to influence the election of 2016.

Nothing left to do but convict and sentence.

Do they still shoot traitors?

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Saturday, July 14, 2018 2:10 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Trump’s presidency is illegitimate
Meuller’s indictments of 12 Russian intelligence agents prove that the Kremlin stole the election for Trump
https://www.salon.com/2018/07/14/trumps-presidency-is-illegitimate/

It’s all right there in the indictment — day by day, hack by hack, theft by theft — how agents of the Russian intelligence service, the GRU, set out in the spring of 2016 to steal the election for Donald Trump. When you track the actions taken by Russian intelligence in the indictment with statements made by Trump and actions taken on his behalf by members of his campaign, the picture is as clear as an iPhone photo. Agents of the Russian government coordinated with members of the Trump campaign and took cues from Trump himself in order to influence the election of 2016.

Nothing left to do but convict and sentence.

Do they still shoot traitors?



Explain to me exactly how Russia stole the election.

I keep hearing you say that, but it's never been explained.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, July 14, 2018 2:37 PM

REAVERFAN


LOL!

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Saturday, July 14, 2018 6:11 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
LOL!



Exactly.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, July 14, 2018 6:49 PM

REAVERFAN

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Saturday, July 14, 2018 7:19 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Read ANYTHING other than your reichwing propaganda.

You can start here.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/read-muellers-full-indictment-agai
nst-12-russian-officers-for-election-interference



Show me the last time I posted any reichwing propaganda as a source, clown.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, July 15, 2018 1:07 AM

REAVERFAN


You never post any source. You just parrot them.

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Sunday, July 15, 2018 1:10 AM

REAVERFAN


The Way Trump and the GOP Deal with Russian Attacks is ‘Textbook Treason’
This is an extraordinary moment. It is without equal not only in American history but in modern history.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-way-trump-and-the-gop-deal-with-russ
ian-attacks-is-textbook-treason?ref=wrap


It is clear that the intelligence and law enforcement communities of the United States — adhering to the principles of patriotism enumerated by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein yesterday — felt that a message needed to be sent to the Russians that we were on to them.

Typically, such a message would be delivered by the president in such a meeting but this president has proven to be the staunchest defender of Putin and the most active advocate of covering up or denying these attacks. He did it again this week even while knowing of the indictments.

Do the indictments and the Coats statement (again, both delivered by Republicans) also send a message that they do not fully trust the president to deliver that message or to press the Russians on it? I believe they do.

Further, the White House response to the indictments — which again does not deal with the ongoing threat to our democracy posed by the Russians but instead (wrongly) seeks to exonerate the president from his involvement in this affair — confirms the wisdom of their actions.

SCUMBAG!

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Sunday, July 15, 2018 3:17 AM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Show me the last time I posted any reichwing propaganda as a source, clown.




You only have one "source" for everything...Youtube.

Brexit isn't one issue, it's 300 issues. The core on both sides is stability vs. instability. I'm sure the UK will be fine no matter what they do, so I don't really care. Looking at their insane housing prices, they could do with the reduction of immigrants just on that front. The average no frills 1800 sq ft home there anywhere near a decent area goes for 400 thousand pounds. Generations will NEVER be able to move out.

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Sunday, July 15, 2018 7:42 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Show me the last time I posted any reichwing propaganda as a source, clown.




You only have one "source" for everything...Youtube.

Brexit isn't one issue, it's 300 issues. The core on both sides is stability vs. instability. I'm sure the UK will be fine no matter what they do, so I don't really care. Looking at their insane housing prices, they could do with the reduction of immigrants just on that front. The average no frills 1800 sq ft home there anywhere near a decent area goes for 400 thousand pounds. Generations will NEVER be able to move out.



Wow. That's actually a fairly impressive reply.

I tip me hat to ye, m'lady.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, July 15, 2018 11:07 AM

REAVERFAN


Donald Trump ‘Owned’ By Russia ‘For Many Years,’ Says ‘Art Of Deal’ Ghostwriter, Calls Trump ‘America’s Enemy’
Tony Schwartz, who wrote Donald Trump's 1987 bestseller, 'The Art of the Deal,' with him, says that Trump has likely been an 'asset' of the Russian government for at least 30 years.
https://www.inquisitr.com/4986267/donald-trump-russia-art-of-deal-ghos
twriter
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“In 1987, Trump began discussing his desire to partner with Russia to use nuclear weapons on third countries, among them Pakistan and France,” wrote journalist Sarah Kendzior, who has extensively documented Trump’s long-standing Russia ties and presidential ambitions. “He also openly revealed the anti-American and xenophobic streak that remains part of his politics to this day, taking out full page ads condemning U.S. policies and calling America a ‘failure’ in a speech that October.”

SCUMBAG!

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Sunday, July 15, 2018 11:44 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Donald Trump ‘Owned’ By Russia ‘For Many Years,’ Says ‘Art Of Deal’ Ghostwriter, Calls Trump ‘America’s Enemy’
Tony Schwartz, who wrote Donald Trump's 1987 bestseller, 'The Art of the Deal,' with him, says that Trump has likely been an 'asset' of the Russian government for at least 30 years.
https://www.inquisitr.com/4986267/donald-trump-russia-art-of-deal-ghos
twriter
/
“In 1987, Trump began discussing his desire to partner with Russia to use nuclear weapons on third countries, among them Pakistan and France,” wrote journalist Sarah Kendzior, who has extensively documented Trump’s long-standing Russia ties and presidential ambitions. “He also openly revealed the anti-American and xenophobic streak that remains part of his politics to this day, taking out full page ads condemning U.S. policies and calling America a ‘failure’ in a speech that October.”

SCUMBAG!



Old news. Somebody posted about this guy half a year ago.

Meh... It is Sunday. Must be a slow news day.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, July 15, 2018 12:17 PM

JJ


My take away is that even with all the revelations like this one that have been revealed, you still hold the same opinions that you've held since day one Jack. This exposes your inability to learn. Sad Jack, this is very sad.

T


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Sunday, July 15, 2018 3:01 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Your one-sided characterization was incomplete. We have here, on this planet, multi-national corporations that we don't get to vote on, that run governments, that run countries.
Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
If anything the sentiment was Anti-Capitalist with Mal fighting central corporate/ government structure??



I don't think the show was about having NO leadership, just not having a planet half a solar system away trying and failing to lead ANYTHING effectively. Thus the comment about being meddled with or left alone equally. I wouldn't want to have a ruling system on another planet I didn't get a say in, and always assumed it was a modern take on the Revolutionary War. Joss isn't a Socialist, either way...


"In July 2012, at the San Diego Comic-Con International, in response to one woman who noted the anti-corporate themes in many of his films, and asked him to give his economic philosophy in 30 seconds or less, Whedon spoke out against both socialism and capitalism, stating that "ultimately all these systems don't work".[citation needed] (from Wiki)


And it's not like Mal wasn't trying to earn a profit, either...so you are just grasping at straws there...






SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

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Sunday, July 15, 2018 6:49 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


The difference? WE ARE ON THE SAME PLANET. Even poor people here have access to a phone or computer usually. I doubt most people in the FF 'Verse would. If you chose to, you could call the corporations or write letters until someone responds.

There's a HUGE difference between having the possibility of a say and not even having the capability to say a thing.

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Sunday, July 15, 2018 6:58 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"If you chose to, you could call the corporations or write letters until someone responds."

Maybe you need to look up the history of 'company towns'. When the businesses own everything ... they determine how much you'll get paid. How many hours you'll work. What your work conditions will be. How much a loaf of bread - or indeed anything ... will cost.

You mean we get to whine at a conglomerate until someone responds? And if they don't - we get to go to arbitration in Basel (per user/ customer agreement)? Or whine at our congressional rep? Or go to one of those consumer help TV programs that shame local businesses on air?

Does that sound like we have a say in anything?




SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

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Sunday, July 15, 2018 10:26 PM

REAVERFAN


"This is all that needs to be said.

I am fucking tired of all the watering down the media is doing to this issue.

Let's throw out any and all speculation about the crimes Trump may or may not have committed or the collusion that he may or may not have known about. Let's pretend Mueller's investigation doesn't exist.

Let us consider only the things we know, for a verifiable, we-have-it-on-fucking-tape fact that he has done in his tenure as President.

The things Trump has done, publicly; his refusal to enforce Russian sanctions, his refusal to accept the ICs consensus on Russia's involvement in our election hack, his decision to meet with Putin with literally NO other Americans present, his calling the European Union a foe, his going on interview with Bill O'Reilly and saying "you think America is so innocent", his instigation of mindless, hugely dangerous trade wars with countless countries across the world, that will plunge us perilously closer to an economic recession - that is treason.

That is a betrayal of this country. That is a gross negligence of his duty and his oath of office.

That should be enough. But instead Republicans play sycophantic bullshit partisan games, and Democrats and the rest of us refuse to bluntly call Trump's actions what they are." -ninemiletree

I can expand bigly, on that.

And, where are the children? Or, are they, as Ann Coulter suggested, "crisis actors?"

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Sunday, July 15, 2018 11:57 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by JJ:
My take away is that even with all the revelations like this one that have been revealed, you still hold the same opinions that you've held since day one Jack. This exposes your inability to learn. Sad Jack, this is very sad.

T




Says the one note hypocrite who hasn't changed his tune since I've sobered up.

Seriously dude. Get a hobby or something.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, July 16, 2018 1:46 AM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
... hugely dangerous trade wars with countless countries across the world, that will plunge us perilously closer to an economic recession - that is treason.




IF this recession comes, and at this point it's looking more certain by the day...there will be no doubt who caused it. It'll be bigly huge. The bigliest recession ever. Sad that it'll have to get to that point.

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Monday, July 16, 2018 1:51 AM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:


Does that sound like we have a say in anything?




Never said we did. But the illusion of having a say and getting a response is enough to keep 90 percent of people in line.

Like I've always said...People is stupid.

Looks like Gates and Obumma get that better than I thought. And Gates is a Catholic and Obumma a politician which just makes that ironic as hell. And it's posted by a Jewish Professor. Oh...the humanity...

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/13/never-underestimate-human-stupidity-sa
ys-historian-and-author.html

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Monday, July 16, 2018 3:26 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
"This is all that needs to be said.

I am fucking tired of all the watering down the media is doing to this issue.

Let's throw out any and all speculation about the crimes Trump may or may not have committed or the collusion that he may or may not have known about. Let's pretend Mueller's investigation doesn't exist.

Let us consider only the things we know, for a verifiable, we-have-it-on-fucking-tape fact that he has done in his tenure as President.

The things Trump has done, publicly; his refusal to enforce Russian sanctions, his refusal to accept the ICs consensus on Russia's involvement in our election hack, his decision to meet with Putin with literally NO other Americans present, his calling the European Union a foe, his going on interview with Bill O'Reilly and saying "you think America is so innocent", his instigation of mindless, hugely dangerous trade wars with countless countries across the world, that will plunge us perilously closer to an economic recession - that is treason.

That is a betrayal of this country. That is a gross negligence of his duty and his oath of office.

That should be enough. But instead Republicans play sycophantic bullshit partisan games, and Democrats and the rest of us refuse to bluntly call Trump's actions what they are." -ninemiletree

I can expand bigly, on that.

And, where are the children? Or, are they, as Ann Coulter suggested, "crisis actors?"

Yanno what I get out of this?

The intelligence community's efforts at a soft coup by making things up like 'golden showers' and leaking select bits to show Trump 'colluded' with Russia - not going as well as hoped. The 'democratic' party hiding behind RUSSIA!!! as an excuse for not coming up with a ggod agenda - not going as well as hoped. The endless anti-Trump propaganda in the media to cost Trump support - not going as well as hoped.

So let's forget all the pretense of legal moves to get rid of Trump.

They were never more than a pretense anyway.




SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

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Monday, July 16, 2018 7:43 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
I am fucking tired of all the watering down the media is doing to this issue.



Same here.

I wanted to punch the TV yesterday watching them speculate, excuze and downplay about this so-called 'summit'.

Its plainly a blackmailer giving instructionz to hiz captiv. A puppeteer programming the puppet for the next act. DU! Why else hav no witnessez?

Its going to be sumthing too important to risk saying over any form uv communication other than fase to fase. Dont be suprized if the tranzlator endz up ded soon after.

"Will Trump confront Putin about the election interferens?" the host asks a Trump minion with strate fase.

A bank robbery accomplis asks the mastermind "did you rob the bank"?

"Wut are you tokking about? Uv course I did! You were there helping me! You on meth agen, dumass?"

Its glaringly obvious that Putin iz holding all the cardz here. And jujing by the dirt on Trump thats on public record, it haz to be really bad.

By the way, hooz ninemiletree?

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Monday, July 16, 2018 9:22 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Putin's been here before with Yanukovych - same basic template. And guess who was there as Yanu's aid de camp? Anyone heard of Paul Manafort? At some point one question of the many that need to be asked is: how stupid do you have to be to believe there ISN'T something going on?

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Monday, July 16, 2018 9:44 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Yanno what I get out of this?

The intelligence community's efforts at a soft coup by making things up like 'golden showers' and leaking select bits to show Trump 'colluded' with Russia - not going as well as hoped. The 'democratic' party hiding behind RUSSIA!!! as an excuse for not coming up with a ggod agenda - not going as well as hoped. The endless anti-Trump propaganda in the media to cost Trump support - not going as well as hoped.

So let's forget all the pretense of legal moves to get rid of Trump.

They were never more than a pretense anyway.




SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
Sean Illing: From your perch in Moscow, how do you see this strange relationship between Putin and Trump?

Mikhail Fishman: It is strange. It looks a bit irrational on Trump's part to be sure. Why does he have this strange passion for Putin and Russia? I have to say, I don't believe in the conspiracy theories about "golden showers" and blackmailing. I don't believe it exists and I don't believe it's a factor. But this, admittedly, makes the whole thing that much stranger.

Sean Illing: You’re obviously referencing the explosive Trump dossier published by Buzzfeed in January. What makes you so skeptical of the claims in that dossier?

Mikhail Fishman: Two things. One, I've been a political journalist for 15 years working and dealing with sources in Russia and elsewhere. And frankly, a lot of this appears shallow to me. I'm sure Russia has plenty of dirt on Trump, but I can't accept without hard evidence much of the what I've heard or read.

Second, this still has the ring of a conspiracy theory, this idea that the Kremlin has blackmailed Trump into submission. I'm generally opposed, on principle, to conspiracy theorizing. So I'm just skeptical until there's concrete evidence.

Sean Illing
What is the perception of Trump in Russia? Is he seen as an ally, a foe, a stooge?

Mikhail Fishman
The vision of Trump is basically shaped by the Kremlin and their propaganda machine — that's what they do. During the election campaign, Trump was depicted not as an underdog but as an honest representative of the American people who was being mistreated by the establishment elites and other evil forces in Washington.

More at www.vox.com/conversations/2017/2/22/14697718/trump-putin-helsinki-meet
ing-hillary-clinton


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, July 16, 2018 10:01 AM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Yanno what I get out of this?

The intelligence community's efforts at a soft coup by making things up like 'golden showers' and leaking select bits to show Trump 'colluded' with Russia - not going as well as hoped. The 'democratic' party hiding behind RUSSIA!!! as an excuse for not coming up with a ggod agenda - not going as well as hoped. The endless anti-Trump propaganda in the media to cost Trump support - not going as well as hoped.

So let's forget all the pretense of legal moves to get rid of Trump.

They were never more than a pretense anyway.




33 indictments. Guilty pleas. Sentences. No pretense needed. A supine, pro-Trump, absolutely compliant press that glosses over every outrage.

Keep moving those goalposts, comrade.

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Monday, July 16, 2018 10:13 AM

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Monday, July 16, 2018 11:36 AM

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A Russian newspaper editor explains how Putin made Trump his puppet
“They consider him a stupid, unstrategic politician.”
https://www.vox.com/conversations/2017/2/22/14697718/trump-putin-helsi
nki-meeting-hillary-clinton

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Monday, July 16, 2018 12:17 PM

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