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Sunday, August 5, 2018 10:09 AM

SIGNYM

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The "Magnitsky Trio" Pushes For War With Russia With New Sanctions
Tom Luongo,

If half of what I have come to understand about the Curious Case of Bill Browder is true, then the “Magnitsky Trio” of Senators John McCain, Lindsay Graham and Ben Cardin are guilty of espionage, at a minimum.

Why? Because they know that Browder’s story about Sergei Magnitsky is a lie. And that means that when you tie in the Trump Dossier, Christopher Steele, Fusion GPS, the Skripal poisoning and the rest of this mess, these men are consorting with foreign governments and agencies against the sitting President.

As Lee Stranahan pointed out recently on Fault Lines, Cardin invited Browder to testify to Congress in 2017 to push through last year’s sanctions bill, a more stringent version of the expiring Magnitsky Act of 2011, which has since been used to ratchet up pressure on Russia.

Cardin knew there were problems with Browder’s story about Magnitsky’s death and yet brought him into Congress to testify to secure the vote.

That’s suborning perjury, as Lee points out.

Just the holes in Browder’s story about Magnitsky’s death are alone enough to warrant a perjury charge on him. If you haven’t read Luck Komisar’s detailed breakdown of Browder’s dealings then you owe it to yourself to do so. www.thekomisarscoop.com/2017/11/the-man-behind-the-magnitsky-act-did-b
ill-browders-tax-troubles-in-russia-color-push-for-sanctions
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I’d read it a few times, because it’s about as murky as The Swamp gets. And, still my eyes glaze over.

The Magnitsky Act and its sequel have been used to support aggressive policy actions by the U.S. against Russia and destroy the relationship between the world’s most prominent militaries and nuclear powers.

The new bill is said to want to put ‘crushing sanctions’ on Russia to make ‘Putin feel the heat.’ In effect, what this bill wants to do is force President Trump to enforce sanctions against the entire Russian state for attempting to do business anywhere in the world.

The new financial penalties would target political figures, oligarchs, family members and others that “facilitate illicit and corrupt activities” on behalf of Putin.

It would also impose new sanctions on transactions tied to investments in state-owned energy projects, transactions tied to new Russian debt, and people with the capacity or ability to support or carry out a “malicious” cyber act.


In addition, if it wasn’t clear enough already, that he’s no friend of the President, Graham is trying to tie the President’s hands on NATO withdrawal, requiring a two-thirds majority.

Now, why would Graham be worried about that, unless it was something the President was seriously considering? This is similar to last year’s sanctions bill requiring a similar majority for the President to end the original sanctions placed on Russia in 2014 over the reunification with Crimea.

And behind it all stands Bill Browder.

Because it has been Browder’s one-man campaign to influence members of Congress, the EU and public opinion the world over against Putin and Russia for the past 10 years over Magnitsky’s death.

Browder’s story is the only one we see in the news. And it’s never questioned, even though it has. He continually moves to block films and articles critical of him from seeing distribution.

Browder is the epicenter around which the insane push for war with Russia revolves as everyone involved in the attempt to take over Russia in 1999 continues to try and cover their collective posteriors posterities.

And it is Browder, along with Republic National Bank chief Edmond Safra, who were involved together in the pillaging of Russia in the 1990’s. Browder’s firm hired Magintsky as an accountant (because that’s what he was) to assist in the money laundering Heritage Capital was involved in.

The attempted take over of Russia failed because Yeltsin saw the setup which led him to appoint Putin as his Deputy Prime Minister.

Martin Armstrong talked about this recently and it is featured prominently in the film about him, The Forecaster, which I also recommend you watch.

There was $7 billion that was wired through Bank of New York which involved money stolen from the IMF loans to Russia. The attempt to takeover Russia by blackmail was set in motion. As soon as that wire was done, that is when Republic National Bank ran to the Department of Justice to say it was money-laundering. I believe this started the crisis and Yeltsin was blackmailed to step down and appoint Boris A. Berezovsky as the head of Russia.

Clearly, Republic National Bank was involved with the US government for they were sending also skids of $100 bills to Russia. It was written up and called the Money Plane. Yeltsin then turned to Putin realizing that he had been set up. This is how Putin became the First Deputy Prime Minister of Russia on August 9th, 1999 until August 16th, 1999 when he became the 33rd Prime Minister and heir apparent of Yeltsin.


So, now why, all of a sudden, do we need even stronger sanctions on Russia, ones that would create untold dislocation in financial markets around the world?

Look at the timeline today and see what’s happening.

Earlier this year Special Counsel Robert Mueller indicts 13 people associated with Internet Research Agency (IRA), a Russian troll farm, for influencing the 2016 election.

Then Mueller indicts twelve members of Russian intelligence to sabotage the upcoming summit between Trump and Putin while the Russia Hacked Muh Election narrative was flagging.

Three days later President Trump met with Vladimir Putin in Helsinki. There a Putin let the world know that he would assist Robert Mueller’s investigation if in return the U.S. would assist Russia in returning Bill Browder, who was tried and convicted in absentia for tax evasion.

All of a sudden Browder’s story is all over the alternative press. Browder is all over U.S. television.

Earlier this week Facebook comes out, after horrific earnings, to tell everyone that IRA was still at it, though being ever so sneaky, trying to influence the mid-terms by engaging Democrats and anti-Trumpers to organize... In that release, Facebook let it be known it was working with the political arm of NATO, The Atlantic Council, to ferret out these dastardly Russian agents.


And now we have a brand-new shiny sanctions bill intended to keep any rapprochement between the U.S. and Russia from occurring.

Why is that? What’s got them so scared of relations with Russia improving?

Maybe, just maybe, because Putin has all of these people dead to rights and he’s informed Trump of what the real story behind all of this is.

That at its core is a group of very bad people who attempted to steal trillions but only got away with billions and still have their sights set on destroying Russia for their own needs.

And Lindsay Graham is their mouthpiece. (all puns intended)

That all of U.S. foreign policy is built on a lie.

That our relationship with Russia was purposefully trashed for the most venal of reasons, for people like Bill Browder to not only steal billions but then have the chutzpah to steal the $230 million he would have paid in taxes on those stolen billions.

And the only way to ensure none of those lies are exposed is for Trump to be unable to change any of it by forcing him to openly side with the Russian President over members of his own political party.

The proposed sanctions by the Graham bill are so insane that even the Treasury department thinks they are a bad idea. But, at this point there is nothing Graham won’t do for his owners.

Because they are desperate they will push for open warfare with Russia to push Putin from power, which is not possible. All of this is nothing more than a sad attempt to hold onto power long enough to oust Trump from the White House and keep things as horrible as they currently are.

Because no one gives up power willingly. And the more they are proven to be frauds the more they will scream for war.

https://tomluongo.me/2018/08/03/the-magnitsky-trio-pushes-for-war-with
-russia-with-new-sanctions
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Sunday, August 5, 2018 10:46 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


ANTIFA on the use of violence

2017
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Anti-fascist activists, or “antifa,” increasingly mobilized in the wake of President Trump’s election, are unapologetic about what they describe as the necessary use of violence to combat authoritarianism.
Yeah. Combating violence with violence.
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While both experts on the movement and activists within it emphasize that not everyone who participates in anti-fascist activism engages in violence, they say the use of force is intrinsic to their political philosophy.

“The justification [of the use of violence] is that Nazi ideology at its very core is founded on violence and on wielding power by any means,” said Mike Isaacson, one of the founders of Smash Racism D.C., an antifa organization in Washington.

Isaacson is unequivocal in his defense of violence as a legitimate tool to combat the creeping threat of what he deems authoritarianism ...

On Sunday, antifa protesters hurled glass bottles and bricks at police officers monitoring a far-right march in Portland, Ore.


http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/350524-antifa-activists-sa
y-violence-is-necessary


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Black-clad antifa members attack peaceful right-wing demonstrators in Berkeley
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/28/black-cl
ad-antifa-attack-right-wing-demonstrators-in-berkeley/?utm_term=.89d654d0a52d




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“There is the question of whether these people should feel safe organizing as Nazis in public, and I don’t think they should,” said Isaacson.
In other words, ANTIFA wants to deny other groups free speech rights.

There's plenty more. And if you want to see a justification for "beating the fuck out of" people just look at SHINY"GOOD"GUY's post.




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Sunday, August 5, 2018 11:21 AM

THG


Hey look over here says comrade sig . Ignore the fact that Trump just admitted his son and the others in the Trump Tower meeting conspired with the Russians.

Huge folks, this is huge. tick tock

T


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Sunday, August 5, 2018 12:59 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Signy,

The reason I didn't put global warming at the very top is because it's already here. We may or may not be able to do anything about it at this point. I think we should TRY, but I don't see any guarantees. As was pointed out to me a few years ago, the regime we're in is not able to be predicted by current models which are based on a steady state. We've already invoked feedback loops, not all of which we even know about, and none of which we truly understand. But MOST of them look to me to be positive feedbacks, leading to increasing warming.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Here's my contribution:

America's biggest problem, humanity's biggest problem, and the world's biggest problem is nuclear war. We could end up at 'game over' in minutes. We need to solve that.

It's second biggest problem is nuclear power. We have two festering sores that will leak radiation to the end of human history unless we figure out what to do with them, and apparently, we don't care if we get more. Along with that, we haven't figured out what to do with the waste from any of the 460 existing power plants and 60 under construction. Not that this is all under our control, but the consequences visit us nevertheless.

I have others I would like to mention, but that'll have to be later.




THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

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Sunday, August 5, 2018 1:32 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


THUGR, you keep saying that I'm just "attacking America's democratic institutions" but ... what are YOU constantly "defending"?

War, and the destruction of other nations wherever and whenever our elite wants?
"Security state" apparatchiks?
The military?
Corporations?
The wealthy elite?
Universal surveillance?
"War with Russia", specifically?
MORE "War with Russia"?
MINDLESS "War with Russia"?

Son, there is NOTHING "democratic" in what you seem to have Velcroed yourself to. I suggest that you check your basic allegiances and make sure that you haven't accidentally stuck yourself to Hitler's Germany or Stalin's Russia.





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Sunday, August 5, 2018 3:32 PM

THG


The fallacy of relative privation sig is an informal fallacy by which one compares the subject under discussion to something else in an effort to “suggest that the opponent’s argument should be ignored.”

Trump turns states evidence against his son, son in law and all others attending the Trump Towers meeting with the Russians by admitting they were there to conspire with the Russians against the United States.

T


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Sunday, August 5, 2018 4:20 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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The fallacy of relative privation sig is an informal fallacy by which one compares the subject under discussion to something else in an effort to “suggest that the opponent’s argument should be ignored.”
As opposed to ... say ... repeatedly defaming someone as a "Russian troll" to suggest that one's opponent's argument should be ignored?

No, you don't get away with that stupid point. I have REPEATEDLY addressed your particular argument, asking you to BE SPECIFIC about what is wrong with contacting Russians, or having a foreign policy that attempts to reduce tensions with Russia to a more-normal simmer, instead of keeping the hysteria-pot at the boil. If anyone is "ignoring" your argument, it's YOU, because every time you're even questioned about it ... you run away.


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Monday, August 6, 2018 2:27 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


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“There is the question of whether these people should feel safe organizing as Nazis in public, and I don’t think they should,” said Isaacson.

In other words, ANTIFA wants to deny other groups free speech rights.

Quote:

There's plenty more. And if you want to see a justification for "beating the fuck out of" people just look at SHINY"GOOD"GUY's post.


Yes, please take a look at my post, it's very illuminating.
I say, "kick them right in the balls, then ask questions."

It's rather ironic isn't it? Fighting fascism with fascism,
what a concept. They wouldn't last a second in my old neighborhood, too many VFWs. The Irish and the Italians would "beat the fuck" out of them, literally.

Well, it's coming to a head. So thank you Trump, you brought them
out of the woodwork. GO ANTIFA!

(one strange thing though. People have often called "liberals" a
bunch of wusses, and yet here we have a rather radical response on the level of Vikings and Norsemen. Really strange)


SGG




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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
ANTIFA on the use of violence

2017
Quote:

Anti-fascist activists, or “antifa,” increasingly mobilized in the wake of President Trump’s election, are unapologetic about what they describe as the necessary use of violence to combat authoritarianism.
Yeah. Combating violence with violence.
Quote:

While both experts on the movement and activists within it emphasize that not everyone who participates in anti-fascist activism engages in violence, they say the use of force is intrinsic to their political philosophy.

“The justification [of the use of violence] is that Nazi ideology at its very core is founded on violence and on wielding power by any means,” said Mike Isaacson, one of the founders of Smash Racism D.C., an antifa organization in Washington.

Isaacson is unequivocal in his defense of violence as a legitimate tool to combat the creeping threat of what he deems authoritarianism ...

On Sunday, antifa protesters hurled glass bottles and bricks at police officers monitoring a far-right march in Portland, Ore.


http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/350524-antifa-activists-sa
y-violence-is-necessary


Quote:

Black-clad antifa members attack peaceful right-wing demonstrators in Berkeley
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/28/black-cl
ad-antifa-attack-right-wing-demonstrators-in-berkeley/?utm_term=.89d654d0a52d




Quote:

“There is the question of whether these people should feel safe organizing as Nazis in public, and I don’t think they should,” said Isaacson.
In other words, ANTIFA wants to deny other groups free speech rights.

There's plenty more. And if you want to see a justification for "beating the fuck out of" people just look at SHINY"GOOD"GUY's post.




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Monday, August 6, 2018 8:09 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Nobody should be scared of Antifa. They're a bunch of mask wearing clowns who are afraid to show their faces while they're lighting garbage cans on fire. They're made up mostly of middle to upper class white college kids who are "saving the world". They want Socialism, even though they've gotten everything for free from their parents so far that wouldn't have been provided to them if we were living in a Socialist country. They're idiots, and they're pussies.


BAMN, on the other hand, isn't an organization I would want to get into a tussle with. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAMN

By Any Means Necessary.

There are some truly scary people involved in that movement.




At any rate, my advice to anybody is the same as it ever has been. Don't put up any political signs on your yard and don't put political bumper stickers on your car and you've really got nothing to worry about. I can't even imagine why anybody in this current political climate would want to do so unless they wanted their homes or cars vandalized or they were looking for a fight.

Just remember... only a very small minority of people in the world are crazy. Most everybody you ever meet is going to be at least tolerable.

All the rioting I've ever seen on TV and to this day at nearly 40 years old I've never once witnessed anything close to even a small riot in my life.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, August 6, 2018 9:44 AM

REAVERFAN


There has been a great deal of hand-wringing and pearl-clutching lately over what it means that Trump flunkies who cage children are encountering some difficulty in ordering chalupas immediately thereafter.

“Civility,” they shout and cuss. Whatever happened to civility?

Civility (b.1776-d.2016). R.I.P. Civility was murdered by Donald Trump, who intends to spend the rest of his life seeking the real killer.

“Hypocracy”: rule of the hypocrites.

Here are some actual uncivil tweets by the actual #Presidunce of the formerly-United States:

Sen. Lindsey Graham: “I ran him out of the race like a little boy.” “dumb mouthpiece.”

CNN’s Jim Acosta: “crazy”

Former Trump advisor Sam Nunberg: “a drugged up/drunk loser.”

His UN Ambassador Nikki Haley: “the people of South Carolina are embarrassed by [her]”

House Speaker Paul Ryan: “very weak.”

CNN’s Ana Navarro: “[one] of the dumbest people in politics”

AP’s Jeff Horwitz: “wouldn’t know the truth if it hit him in the face.”

Ariana Huffington: “dummy” “liberal clown”

Sen. Bernie Sanders: “crazy” “SAD”

Fox News’s Brit Hume: “knows nothing” “a dope!”

AP’s Jill Colvin: her “stories are fictional garbage.”

Sen. Ben Sasse: “looks more like a gym rat than a U.S. Senator”

MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough: “clown” “Psycho Joe”

Actor Samuel L. Jackson: “don’t like [his] golf swing”

DNC Chair Donna Brazile: “chokes on the truth”

PBS’s Tavis Smiley: “hater & racist”

MSNBC’s Mika Brzezinski: “dumb as a rock”

Fox News’s Megyn Kelly: “the most overrated person on TV”

We could go on, and on, and on. Honestly, we’ve just scratched the surface. But you get the point.

Trump delenda est

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Monday, August 6, 2018 9:50 AM

THG


Great post REAVERFAN.

T


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Monday, August 6, 2018 10:31 AM

REAVERFAN


Let's take a moment to praise the life saving heroes of Antifa.

May all anti-fascist activity thrive until every Nazi is dead.

Nazis don't deserve to live. It should be legal to shoot anyone carrying a Nazi flag in the head. The shooter should get a medal. Like we did in WWII.

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Monday, August 6, 2018 10:37 AM

REAVERFAN


Let's take a look at the Nazis who beat, shot at and ran over people in Charlottesville. They leave no doubt as to their true purposes.


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Monday, August 6, 2018 10:48 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Quote:

There is the question of whether these people should feel safe organizing as Nazis in public, and I don’t think they should,” said Isaacson.


In other words, ANTIFA wants to deny other groups free speech rights. - SIGNY

Quote:

There's plenty more. And if you want to see a justification for "beating the fuck out of" people just look at SHINY"GOOD"GUY's post.


Yes, please take a look at my post, it's very illuminating.

It is, but not in the way you think. It's more like SECOND admitting that he wants Americans to be squabbling with each other so he can rake in as much dough as he wants.... THAT kind of illuminating.

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I say, "kick them right in the balls, then ask questions." It's rather ironic isn't it? Fighting fascism with fascism,
"Ironic" isn't the term I would use. "Hypocritical", maybe. Or "stupid" or "anti-American".
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what a concept. They wouldn't last a second in my old neighborhood, too many VFWs. The Irish and the Italians would "beat the fuck" out of them, literally. Well, it's coming to a head. So thank you Trump, you brought them out of the woodwork. GO ANTIFA!
SHINY"GOOD"GUY ... IF all the so-called "fascists" do is talk (Oh and BTW, we only have YOUR opinion that they're "fascists", but considering how ignorant you've been about everything else, I wouldn't trust your characterization any farther than I could throw a piano ...) then all YOU should be doing is talking. You should be fighting ideas with ideas, not punches.

The fact that you think that you have to fight words with violence tells me that you think that you're too stupid to fight ideas with ideas. Are you really stupider than the average white supremacist? It seems so! You certainly appear to have a problem here!

Quote:

(one strange thing though. People have often called "liberals" a bunch of wusses, and yet here we have a rather radical response on the level of Vikings and Norsemen. Really strange)
Liberals used to believe in things like tolerance and open-mindedness, freedom and free speech. It seems that some portion of liberals have decided that intolerance and closed-mindedness and authoritarianism is the way to go.

I think you really need to think about what you're really "fighting" for, because as far as I can tell this is just a tribal fight where both sides use the same tactics, and at that point your "side" is no better than the "other side".



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Monday, August 6, 2018 10:54 AM

REAVERFAN


You're such a joke!

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Monday, September 3, 2018 4:22 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


History speaks volumes........

For a long time the US did not concern itself with the rise of fascism in Europe. it started in 1939, and it wasn't until the attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941, that the US became "involved."

Now, there's much to be said about America's involvement and the attack on Pearl Harbor. Much in the way in conspiracy. Be that as it may, America was
in and the rhetoric was no longer valid, real bullets started flying. To me,
a student of conflict, real or imagined, I see it this way: there comes a
time where words must be set aside and unmitigated violence must come to the
fore.

This is because sometimes words does nothing but alert your enemy where to aim. Fuck that, if I'm going to die, give me a gun - I'll go down fighting thank you very much. Fascism only knows one thing, a punch in the face.
They think they're right, ok. I think not. Don't want to listen to reason?
Okay, I'm going to exercise my right to live free....take that! You think
that liberals should be labeled by your standards, go right ahead, do your
worst. Meanwhile, as far as I'm concerned, liberals will be punching people
in the face. Times change! Fighting fascism and right wing nut jobs, well
that calls for a different breed of "liberals," ones that will fight for
what is right.

You may think that's wrong, again okay. Think that way. "Liberals" have learned a valuable lesson: blood in the streets is the only language some
folk understand. Keep going the way you're going...keep thinking you're
right. Me, I'm thinking as a free man. I have no choice but to refuse the
kool-aid. Me, I'm going down swinging. This is what President Putin wants.
For America to destroy itself, blood in the streets, cities in shambles, democracy destroyed. If you believe in that future, stand over there. I've chosen my side. That's my choice, you don't like it...tough!

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose!


SGGH


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Quote:

There is the question of whether these people should feel safe organizing as Nazis in public, and I don’t think they should,” said Isaacson.


In other words, ANTIFA wants to deny other groups free speech rights. - SIGNY

Quote:

There's plenty more. And if you want to see a justification for "beating the fuck out of" people just look at SHINY"GOOD"GUY's post.


Yes, please take a look at my post, it's very illuminating.

It is, but not in the way you think. It's more like SECOND admitting that he wants Americans to be squabbling with each other so he can rake in as much dough as he wants.... THAT kind of illuminating.

Quote:

I say, "kick them right in the balls, then ask questions." It's rather ironic isn't it? Fighting fascism with fascism,
"Ironic" isn't the term I would use. "Hypocritical", maybe. Or "stupid" or "anti-American".
Quote:

what a concept. They wouldn't last a second in my old neighborhood, too many VFWs. The Irish and the Italians would "beat the fuck" out of them, literally. Well, it's coming to a head. So thank you Trump, you brought them out of the woodwork. GO ANTIFA!
SHINY"GOOD"GUY ... IF all the so-called "fascists" do is talk (Oh and BTW, we only have YOUR opinion that they're "fascists", but considering how ignorant you've been about everything else, I wouldn't trust your characterization any farther than I could throw a piano ...) then all YOU should be doing is talking. You should be fighting ideas with ideas, not punches.

The fact that you think that you have to fight words with violence tells me that you think that you're too stupid to fight ideas with ideas. Are you really stupider than the average white supremacist? It seems so! You certainly appear to have a problem here!

Quote:

(one strange thing though. People have often called "liberals" a bunch of wusses, and yet here we have a rather radical response on the level of Vikings and Norsemen. Really strange)
Liberals used to believe in things like tolerance and open-mindedness, freedom and free speech. It seems that some portion of liberals have decided that intolerance and closed-mindedness and authoritarianism is the way to go.

I think you really need to think about what you're really "fighting" for, because as far as I can tell this is just a tribal fight where both sides use the same tactics, and at that point your "side" is no better than the "other side".



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Monday, September 3, 2018 4:36 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


I'm really surprised Reaverfan, not to find all members of VFWs (especially those that served in WWII) out there protesting the very existence within
our democratic society these white supremecists/Nazis.

General MacArthur is turning in his grave.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Let's take a moment to praise the life saving heroes of Antifa.

May all anti-fascist activity thrive until every Nazi is dead.

Nazis don't deserve to live. It should be legal to shoot anyone carrying a Nazi flag in the head. The shooter should get a medal. Like we did in WWII.


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Monday, September 3, 2018 4:57 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


A couple of points:

1- your colleagues say that "Antifa" are violent, well which is it?
violent or cowards? Why bring them up if they are mask-wearing clowns?
2- Speaking of mask wearing, why would anyone wish to hide their numbers?
I mean, it makes sense to "mask" yourself if you don't want to get caught.
But Antifa masks themselves in a cowardly fashion? Really, that's your
criticism? Okay, then tell me why Nazis come out in the "wee" hours of the
night, under the cover of darkness, to paint their evil Swastikas? Could you explain that one?


sgg


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody should be scared of Antifa. They're a bunch of mask wearing clowns who are afraid to show their faces while they're lighting garbage cans on fire. They're made up mostly of middle to upper class white college kids who are "saving the world". They want Socialism, even though they've gotten everything for free from their parents so far that wouldn't have been provided to them if we were living in a Socialist country. They're idiots, and they're pussies.


BAMN, on the other hand, isn't an organization I would want to get into a tussle with. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAMN

By Any Means Necessary.

There are some truly scary people involved in that movement.




At any rate, my advice to anybody is the same as it ever has been. Don't put up any political signs on your yard and don't put political bumper stickers on your car and you've really got nothing to worry about. I can't even imagine why anybody in this current political climate would want to do so unless they wanted their homes or cars vandalized or they were looking for a fight.

Just remember... only a very small minority of people in the world are crazy. Most everybody you ever meet is going to be at least tolerable.

All the rioting I've ever seen on TV and to this day at nearly 40 years old I've never once witnessed anything close to even a small riot in my life.

Do Right, Be Right. :)


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1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
History speaks volumes........

For a long time the US did not concern itself with the rise of fascism in Europe. it started in 1939, and it wasn't until the attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941, that the US became "involved."

Now, there's much to be said about America's involvement and the attack on Pearl Harbor. Much in the way in conspiracy. Be that as it may, America was
in and the rhetoric was no longer valid, real bullets started flying. To me,
a student of conflict, real or imagined, I see it this way: there comes a
time where words must be set aside and unmitigated violence must come to the
fore.

This is because sometimes words does nothing but alert your enemy where to aim. Fuck that, if I'm going to die, give me a gun - I'll go down fighting thank you very much. Fascism only knows one thing, a punch in the face.
They think they're right, ok. I think not. Don't want to listen to reason?
Okay, I'm going to exercise my right to live free....take that! You think
that liberals should be labeled by your standards, go right ahead, do your
worst. Meanwhile, as far as I'm concerned, liberals will be punching people
in the face. Times change! Fighting fascism and right wing nut jobs, well
that calls for a different breed of "liberals," ones that will fight for
what is right.

You may think that's wrong, again okay. Think that way. "Liberals" have learned a valuable lesson: blood in the streets is the only language some
folk understand. Keep going the way you're going...keep thinking you're
right. Me, I'm thinking as a free man. I have no choice but to refuse the
kool-aid. Me, I'm going down swinging. This is what President Putin wants.
For America to destroy itself, blood in the streets, cities in shambles, democracy destroyed. If you believe in that future, stand over there. I've chosen my side. That's my choice, you don't like it...tough!

So, you think liberals are justified in initiating violence simply to silence people they don't agree with?

Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I'm really surprised Reaverfan, not to find all members of VFWs (especially those that served in WWII) out there protesting the very existence within
our democratic society these white supremecists/Nazis.

It's simple math. In WWII the younger soldiers would have been around 20. 70+ years have passed. That would make those VFW members around 90. The whole contingent of WWII veterans has mostly passed away.




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Monday, September 3, 2018 10:24 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
A couple of points:

1- your colleagues say that "Antifa" are violent, well which is it?
violent or cowards? Why bring them up if they are mask-wearing clowns?



They have a propensity to be somewhat violent in large, mask wearing numbers. A bunch of mindless Weekend Warrior rats that scurry at the first sign of any real opposition, they prefer random acts of vandalism to outright confrontation. Loud bark, very little bite.

I didn't bring them up. You brought them up in the post before the one of mine that you quoted. I was just commenting on them after the fact.


Quote:

2- Speaking of mask wearing, why would anyone wish to hide their numbers?
I mean, it makes sense to "mask" yourself if you don't want to get caught.
But Antifa masks themselves in a cowardly fashion? Really, that's your
criticism? Okay, then tell me why Nazis come out in the "wee" hours of the
night, under the cover of darkness, to paint their evil Swastikas? Could you explain that one?



There haven't been any Nazis since the 40's and 50's. Any dipshit white kids that would go out at 3AM and paint swastikas are punk, coward, pussy, idiots like anybody who labels themselves Antifa are.

What I see are two extremely bored groups of milennials with a lot of anger and hate in their hearts. Too much pent up energy and frustration with very little outlet for it for the first few decades of their lives.

Maybe this is what happens when we put them all on mood altering drug cocktails when they're hardly even 10 years old and we let them all get fat and stupid in today's school system.

Milennials are worthless. The next generation of kids are going to be even worse.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, September 5, 2018 6:11 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Quote:

So, you think liberals are justified in initiating violence simply to silence people they don't agree with?


Hey Kiki, your ideology is showing. At no point in my post do I even mention
the word "initiate." Notice how I carefully laid out my argument regarding the US involvement into WWII. Now, if we are to believe the history books, "we"
got involved only after the bombing of Pearl Harbor. I could say that is
being provoked into combating the bullies of fascist regimes: Germany,
Italy and Japan.

Like I always tell my nephew, never start a fight, but if someone bullies you;
you have the right to defend yourself. Antifa shows up whenever fascists
come a-calling.

And I don't care about someone disagreeing with me; I often respond by chuckling to myself, but then stating my argument. I chose my words
carefully. Well, with one exception...here. Sometimes I just burst out
with something crazy (mainly in response to something crazy hurled at me).
But no, everyone is entitled, at least it used to be a norm here in this
country, to speak freely. Again, it used to be a norm, that if you disagreed
with someone you argued your side.

I once posted "I love football" while others were protesting and complaining
about the Kapernick kneeling issue, just to see what would be the reaction.
I was soundly ridiculed and cursed at. So much for experimentation. I knew exactly the reaction I would get. I was prepared. So I deleted my post.
(By the way, I really do love football).

For the record, I knew that I would get that "response" (the comments that were being posted were truly unhinged and decidedly "pro-Trump"). Still
though, I was prepared for the worst hateful reactions. People go in
expecting a reaction, while others respond thusly...

I think that those who march chanting 'Blood and Soil' must do so expecting
a violent response.


SGG

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Wednesday, September 5, 2018 8:44 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, September 5, 2018 12:27 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

So, you think liberals are justified in initiating violence simply to silence people they don't agree with? - KIKI

Hey Kiki, your ideology is showing. At no point in my post do I even mention the word "initiate." Notice how I carefully laid out my argument regarding the US involvement into WWII. Now, if we are to believe the history books, "we" got involved only after the bombing of Pearl Harbor. I could say that is being provoked into combating the bullies of fascist regimes: Germany, Italy and Japan.

Like I always tell my nephew, never start a fight, but if someone bullies you; you have the right to defend yourself. Antifa shows up whenever fascists come a-calling.

But who threw the first punch?

Quote:

And I don't care about someone disagreeing with me; I often respond by chuckling to myself, but then stating my argument. I chose my words carefully. Well, with one exception...here. Sometimes I just burst out with something crazy (mainly in response to something crazy hurled at me). But no, everyone is entitled, at least it used to be a norm here in this country, to speak freely. Again, it used to be a norm, that if you disagreed with someone you argued your side.
But you DON'T "argue your side"; you just blast out the ad-hominems and buzzwords. I'm tempted to think of you as SHINYSPITTLEGUY.

Quote:

I once posted "I love football" while others were protesting and complaining about the Kapernick kneeling issue, just to see what would be the reaction. I was soundly ridiculed and cursed at. So much for experimentation. I knew exactly the reaction I would get. I was prepared. So I deleted my post. (By the way, I really do love football).
I'd be interested in looking at that thread, but it's too bad that you deleted your post. Do you recall the thread title?

Quote:

For the record, I knew that I would get that "response" (the comments that were being posted were truly unhinged and decidedly "pro-Trump"). Still though, I was prepared for the worst hateful reactions. People go in expecting a reaction, while others respond thusly... I think that those who march chanting 'Blood and Soil' must do so expecting a violent response.
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me*.

"Blood and soil" is protected free speech, dude. WHO THREW THE FIRST PUNCH? THAT'S the important question.

*Unless it's libel and causes damage to reputation and, presumably, material damages. In which case it is no longer protected free speech. Also, directly threatening somebody is not protected. The limits of free speech have been tested over and over and over; "blood and soil" is definitely protected.



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Wednesday, September 5, 2018 4:41 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


SHINNY
Where do you REALLY stand regarding people who NON-VIOLENTLY espouse ideas you disagree with?


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, you think liberals are justified in initiating violence simply to silence people they don't agree with?

Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Hey Kiki, your ideology is showing. At no point in my post do I even mention
the word "initiate."


You're right, you never use the word 'initiate'. What you DO espouse is violence, in regard to nothing at all.
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You think that liberals should be labeled by your standards, go right ahead, do your
worst. Meanwhile, as far as I'm concerned, liberals will be punching people
in the face
.

If that's not what you meant, then perhaps you could explain in what circumstances you think violence is appropriate under current circumstances. For example, here you claim that just having people show up under a name you disagree with is enough of a 'reason'.
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Like I always tell my nephew, never start a fight, but if someone bullies you;
you have the right to defend yourself. Antifa shows up whenever fascists
come a-calling
.

But then you backtrack in your reply with caveats not found in your original post:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
And I don't care about someone disagreeing with me; I often respond by chuckling to myself, but then stating my argument. I chose my words
carefully. Well, with one exception...here. Sometimes I just burst out
with something crazy (mainly in response to something crazy hurled at me).
But no, everyone is entitled, at least it used to be a norm here in this
country, to speak freely. Again, it used to be a norm, that if you disagreed
with someone you argued your side.

But then you reiterate that NON-VIOLENTLY MARCHING and CHANTING WORDS are enough of an excuse for violence:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I think that those who MARCH CHANTING 'Blood and Soil' must do so expecting a violent response.



Where do you REALLY stand regarding people who NON-VIOLENTLY espouse ideas you disagree with? Who simply 'come a-calling' and 'march' and 'chant'.


And for the record, I didn't attack RF, call him names, or support any right-wing cause, slogan, or action. I asked a question, for clarification. THIS IS THE SUM TOTAL OF WHAT I POSTED THAT HE THINKS IS WORTH ATTACKING ME FOR: "So, you think liberals are justified in initiating violence simply to silence people they don't agree with?"

And it's a question I'm forced to repeated, since he espouses answers on both sides.




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Wednesday, September 5, 2018 4:59 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

*Unless it's libel and causes damage to reputation and, presumably, material damages. In which case it is no longer protected free speech. Also, directly threatening somebody is not protected. The limits of free speech have been tested over and over and over; "blood and soil" is definitely protected.

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Isn’t it a shame that someone can write an article or book, totally make up stories and form a picture of a person that is literally the exact opposite of the fact, and get away with it without retribution or cost. Don’t know why Washington politicians don’t change libel laws?
6:33 AM - Sep 5, 2018
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1037302649199177728

PLEASE file a libel lawsuit. That would be so fun to watch it backfire. Since Trump will not sue, the whole world can take it as evidence that Trump was not libeled in Bob Woodward's book on his presidency.
EVERY. WORD. WAS. TRUE.

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Wednesday, September 5, 2018 5:19 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Hey, what happened to your sig line? Are you posting from a different account?




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Wednesday, September 5, 2018 5:34 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


MEANWHILE. so this doesn't get lost in SECOND's garbage


SHINNY
Where do you REALLY stand regarding people who NON-VIOLENTLY espouse ideas you disagree with?


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, you think liberals are justified in initiating violence simply to silence people they don't agree with?

Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Hey Kiki, your ideology is showing. At no point in my post do I even mention
the word "initiate."


You're right, you never use the word 'initiate'. What you DO espouse is violence, in regard to nothing at all.
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You think that liberals should be labeled by your standards, go right ahead, do your
worst. Meanwhile, as far as I'm concerned, liberals will be punching people
in the face
.

If that's not what you meant, then perhaps you could explain in what circumstances you think violence is appropriate under current circumstances. For example, here you claim that just having people show up under a name you disagree with is enough of a 'reason'.
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Like I always tell my nephew, never start a fight, but if someone bullies you;
you have the right to defend yourself. Antifa shows up whenever fascists
come a-calling
.

But then you backtrack in your reply with caveats not found in your original post:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
And I don't care about someone disagreeing with me; I often respond by chuckling to myself, but then stating my argument. I chose my words
carefully. Well, with one exception...here. Sometimes I just burst out
with something crazy (mainly in response to something crazy hurled at me).
But no, everyone is entitled, at least it used to be a norm here in this
country, to speak freely. Again, it used to be a norm, that if you disagreed
with someone you argued your side.

But then you reiterate that NON-VIOLENTLY MARCHING and CHANTING WORDS are enough of an excuse for violence:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I think that those who MARCH CHANTING 'Blood and Soil' must do so expecting a violent response.



Where do you REALLY stand regarding people who NON-VIOLENTLY espouse ideas you disagree with? Who simply 'come a-calling' and 'march' and 'chant'.


And for the record, I didn't attack RF, call him names, or support any right-wing cause, slogan, or action. I asked a question, for clarification. THIS IS THE SUM TOTAL OF WHAT I POSTED THAT HE THINKS IS WORTH ATTACKING ME FOR: "So, you think liberals are justified in initiating violence simply to silence people they don't agree with?"

And it's a question I'm forced to repeated, since he espouses answers on both sides.




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Wednesday, September 5, 2018 5:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Hey, what happened to your sig line? Are you posting from a different account?




THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

The already discredited Woodward book, so many lies and phony sources, has me calling Jeff Sessions “mentally retarded” and “a dumb southerner.” I said NEITHER, never used those terms on anyone, including Jeff, and being a southerner is a GREAT thing. He made this up to divide!
8:01 PM - 4 Sep 2018
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1037173907625832448

"We know there's something wrong, but what I'm tired of is people, daily, nightly, on all the cable news shows telling us there's something wrong. I just think we ought to direct our resources and our energies to doing something about it. And other people have made this point: If the guy was running Dairy Queen, he'd be gone. This guy couldn't work at The Gap. So why do we have to be victimized by his fecklessness, his ignorance?... Let's just stop whining about what a goon he is and figure out a way to take him aside and put him in a home."
https://twitter.com/h2o_beth/status/1037367093077979137

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Wednesday, September 5, 2018 5:39 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

PLEASE file a libel lawsuit. That would be so fun to watch it backfire. Since Trump will not sue, the whole world can take it as evidence that Trump was not libeled in Bob Woodward's book on his presidency.
EVERY. WORD. WAS. TRUE.

OMFG! The reason why Presidents (and other politicians) don't sue for defamation is because they are PUBLIC FIGURES. My god, even I knew that! And if you think I'm more ignorant than you ... what does that make you???

Quote:

In this era of fake news, criminal accusations, and allegations of misconduct made toward politicians, some people may wonder why they don’t sue to set the record straight. The main reason may be that, because the First Amendment protects freedom of speech and of the press, any action based on the content of statements must satisfy narrowly defined requirements, and politicians, as public figures, must also meet significantly higher burdens of proof than an ordinary person...

In a defamation case, a court will categorize a plaintiff as either a general public figure, a limited public figure, or a private citizen. To prove defamation, an ordinary person must prove that the defendant made the false statement, at least, negligently. However, if the court concludes that a plaintiff is either a limited or general public figure, the plaintiff must prove “clearly and convincingly” that the alleged defamatory statement was made with ‘actual malice’—that is, with knowledge that it was false or with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not.





http://frobertallison.com/libel-slander-politicians-dont-sue-defamatio
n
/

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Wednesday, September 5, 2018 6:06 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
The already discredited Woodward book, so many lies and phony sources

Sure enough:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=62659
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Random headlines:

Secretary Mattis fires back at claims in Woodward's book

Kelly Denies Woodward Book 'Fear' Claim He Called Trump Idiot

Ex-Trump lawyer John Dowd disputes details in Bob Woodward book


"Former George W. Bush press secretary Ari Fleischer ... added: "Anonymous sources have looser lips and may take liberties. But Woodward always plays it straight. Someone told it to him.""

So quoting anonymous sources who make things up makes it 'true', eh Ari?




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Wednesday, September 5, 2018 6:07 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


MEANWHILE. so this doesn't get lost in SECOND's garbage


SHINNY
Where do you REALLY stand regarding people who NON-VIOLENTLY espouse ideas you disagree with?


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, you think liberals are justified in initiating violence simply to silence people they don't agree with?

Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Hey Kiki, your ideology is showing. At no point in my post do I even mention
the word "initiate."


You're right, you never use the word 'initiate'. What you DO espouse is violence, in regard to nothing at all.
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You think that liberals should be labeled by your standards, go right ahead, do your
worst. Meanwhile, as far as I'm concerned, liberals will be punching people
in the face
.

If that's not what you meant, then perhaps you could explain in what circumstances you think violence is appropriate under current circumstances. For example, here you claim that just having people show up under a name you disagree with is enough of a 'reason'.
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Like I always tell my nephew, never start a fight, but if someone bullies you;
you have the right to defend yourself. Antifa shows up whenever fascists
come a-calling
.

But then you backtrack in your reply with caveats not found in your original post:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
And I don't care about someone disagreeing with me; I often respond by chuckling to myself, but then stating my argument. I chose my words
carefully. Well, with one exception...here. Sometimes I just burst out
with something crazy (mainly in response to something crazy hurled at me).
But no, everyone is entitled, at least it used to be a norm here in this
country, to speak freely. Again, it used to be a norm, that if you disagreed
with someone you argued your side.

But then you reiterate that NON-VIOLENTLY MARCHING and CHANTING WORDS are enough of an excuse for violence:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I think that those who MARCH CHANTING 'Blood and Soil' must do so expecting a violent response.



Where do you REALLY stand regarding people who NON-VIOLENTLY espouse ideas you disagree with? Who simply 'come a-calling' and 'march' and 'chant'.


And for the record, I didn't attack RF, call him names, or support any right-wing cause, slogan, or action. I asked a question, for clarification. THIS IS THE SUM TOTAL OF WHAT I POSTED THAT HE THINKS IS WORTH ATTACKING ME FOR: "So, you think liberals are justified in initiating violence simply to silence people they don't agree with?"

And it's a question I'm forced to repeated, since he espouses answers on both sides.




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Thursday, September 6, 2018 6:18 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Quote:

MEANWHILE. so this doesn't get lost in SECOND's garbage


SHINNY
Where do you REALLY stand regarding people who NON-VIOLENTLY espouse ideas you disagree with?



I'm going to say this once, so pay attention: I really don't give a fuck. Normally, whenever I see a group of people chanting and carrying on, I keep
walking. You want to protest and chant, be my guest.

When I was a kid of 12, I saw two gangs facing off and it was really tense.
One guy was about 6' 2" and burly and he was in the face of a smaller guy, about 5' 8" or 5' 9". He was yelling in the smaller man's face. He stood
there cool as a cucumber and never flinched. I thought to myself, that took guts. The bigger guy motioning and trying to provoke the smaller dude. But he stood there calm and cool. It seemed the more he kept cool, the angrier the
big guy got.

That always stayed with me.

I protested the war in Viet Nam, and I stood there while cops sneered and tried to provoke the protesters, the peaceful protesters. I was scared that
the cops would start swinging their riot batons. But I kept my cool.

Quote:

You're right, you never use the word 'initiate'. What you DO espouse is violence, in regard to nothing at all.


During the Charlottesville fiasco, I watched an interview with a black clergyman who proceeded to tell the reporter how an Antifa man saved him from
being clubbed by a man wearing a German/Nazi style helmet. Violence
against a defenseless non-violent person. So yeah, nothing.



Sometimes violence is called for. Me, I strongly believe in self defense,
but I lose my cool when I get violent, so I avoid it at all costs. Having
said that, sometimes you gotta beat the shit out of someone who threatens
violence because you never know.

You want to march and act the fool chanting "you will not replace us"
holding "tiki" torches (for Pete's sake, tiki torches), go right ahead.
But let's be real...these guys are coming loaded to bear. I'm afraid
that sometimes violence is all they know. And you have to be prepared,
otherwise they'll stomp you into the ground.


sgg

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MEANWHILE 1kiki is crazier than Trump, and less successful covering it up. THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."



A government photographer edited official pictures of Donald Trump’s inauguration to make the crowd appear bigger following a personal intervention from the president, according to newly released documents.

The photographer cropped out empty space “where the crowd ended” for a new set of pictures requested by Trump on the first morning of his presidency, after he was angered by images showing his audience was smaller than Barack Obama’s in 2009.

The detail was revealed in investigative reports released to the Guardian under the Freedom of Information Act by the inspector general of the US interior department. They shed new light on the first self-inflicted crisis of Trump’s presidency, when his White House falsely claimed he had attracted the biggest ever inauguration audience.

The records detail a scramble within the National Park Service (NPS) on 21 January 2017 after an early-morning phone call between Trump and the acting NPS director, Michael Reynolds. They also state that Sean Spicer, then White House press secretary, called NPS officials repeatedly that day in pursuit of the more flattering photographs.

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Thursday, September 6, 2018 8:38 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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PLEASE file a libel lawsuit. That would be so fun to watch it backfire. Since Trump will not sue, the whole world can take it as evidence that Trump was not libeled in Bob Woodward's book on his presidency.
EVERY. WORD. WAS. TRUE.

OMFG! The reason why Presidents (and other politicians) don't sue for defamation is because they are PUBLIC FIGURES. My god, even I knew that! And if you think I'm more ignorant than you ... what does that make you???

Signym, you lied. The law does not work the way you simplified it:
www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/defamation-law-made-simple-29718.html

Trump won't sue because Woodward recorded the conversations. Were Trump to sue, it would all come out in court that the words were actually said and that Trump is provably crazy.
(Trump's attorney to jury: "My client talks faster than his brain works.")

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

MEANWHILE. so this doesn't get lost in SECOND's garbage

“Politicians lie, but this is different,” says a historian who studies presidential history and estimates the Trump administration easily ranks among the most corrupt in American history.

Despite Trump’s promises to “drain the swamp,” the first year of his administration has been plagued by resignations, investigations, and scandals. Robert Dallek, presidential historian, estimates that examples of corruption, like that of the Warren G. Harding administration, don’t hold a candle to how Trump and his people have conducted themselves in the White House.

Dallek sees the Trump administration as “a low point in our history.” What makes Trump exceptionally dangerous, Dallek argues, is how effortlessly he lies and what kind of tone he has set in this White House.

“The fish rots from the head,” he said, “and the stench of this administration starts at the very top.”

"I would be more alarmed if we didn’t have an outspoken opposition party and a powerful media opposition that does not bend a knee to the administration, that continues to ask hard questions and to report whatever the truth seems to be. This is a strength in the country, and I have optimism that the judicial system will also support the rule of law and help to sustain our traditions.

Now, am I sure of all that? Of course not. Anything can happen. But I'm hopeful that we will turn back in a more constructive direction in the next round in our presidential politics."

More at www.vox.com/2017/11/16/16643614/trump-administration-corruption-russia
-investigation


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Tuesday, September 11, 2018 1:03 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

MEANWHILE. so this doesn't get lost in SECOND's garbage

A History Of Donald Trump’s Tasteless Comments About 9/11

The 2001 terrorist attacks were the subject of one of Trump’s most egregious lies during his presidential campaign. In November 2015, he claimed, without evidence, that “thousands and thousands” of Muslims in New Jersey had celebrated the news of the attacks.

“I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down. And I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down,” Trump said at a campaign rally. “Thousands of people were cheering.”

The following day, Trump reiterated his lie, claiming that the supposed celebration “was well covered at the time.”

“There were people that were cheering on the other side of New Jersey, where you have large Arab populations. They were cheering as the World Trade Center came down,” Trump said on ABC’s “This Week.”

The lie has been roundly debunked.

More at www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-september-11-anniversary_us_
5b97abe3e4b0511db3e61093


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Originally posted by 1kiki:

MEANWHILE. so this doesn't get lost in SECOND's garbage

A History Of Donald Trump’s Tasteless Comments About 9/11

On the actual day of the attacks, Trump, a New York real estate mogul, tastelessly bragged about his downtown Manhattan building, 40 Wall Street.

Calling in to a New York TV news broadcast, as the station aired footage of the World Trade Center towers collapsing, Trump claimed that his property would now become the tallest building in the area.

“40 Wall Street actually was the second-tallest building in downtown Manhattan, and it was actually, before the World Trade Center, was the tallest — and then, when they built the World Trade Center, it became known as the second-tallest,” he said. “And now it’s the tallest.”

That claim also turned out to be false.

More at www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-september-11-anniversary_us_
5b97abe3e4b0511db3e61093


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Tuesday, September 11, 2018 3:31 PM

REAVERFAN


Let's take into account that Antifa has never killed anyone, ever.

Then, let's look at the hundreds of violent attacks, murders, mass shootings and bomb plots Trump supporters are guilty of.

You really are a stupid, lying bitch, Siggy.

And this isn't even updated.

Man yells, "Make America Great Again!" Before shooting 6 people dead.

Man wearing, "Make America Great Again" hat murders 2 strangers for no reason.

A Trump supporter murders 2 police officers because they told him he couldn't wave a Confederate flag at a high school football game.

Two men beat a homeless man with a metal bar and urinate on him screaming, “Donald Trump was right, all these illegals need to be deported,” When asked for a comment about the incident Trump defends them saying, "My supporters are very passionate. They love this country and they want this country to be great again."

Trump supporter attacks a Hispanic man and a Muslim student at a gas station while yelling, "Trump! Trump! Trump!"

Trump supporter stabs a black man unprovoked because he was holding hands with a white woman, tells police they need to release him so he can attend a Trump rally that night.

Trump supporter attacks Muslim woman at airport.

A Trump supporter punches a 70 year old protester in the face.

Trump supporter arrested for brutally beating protester.

3 Trump supporters arrested planning terrorist attack to kill Muslims.

Trump supporter confuses an Indian man for a Muslim at restaurant and says, "Things are different now, I don't want you sand n*ggers sitting next to me." Before attacking the man.

"We got a new President you fucking f*ggots." Men yell as they attack gay man.

Trump supporters track down and brutally beat an artist because she made a painting of Trump with a small penis.

Trump supporter who sucker punched protester: “Next time, we might have to kill them.”

Trump is asked to comment on his supporters brutally beating a black man, he responds with, “He was obnoxious! Maybe he should have been roughed up,”

"You fucking gorillas and baby monkeys, We voted for Trump. Trump's building a wall, beaners, and you'll be going back to where you belong." Man yells at black elementary school children unprovoked before he swerves his car at them attempting to hit them.

Trump supporter assaults woman at rally and then says he wouldn't of done it if Trump didn't inspire him to attack her.

Trump supporter recognizes famous anti-Trump playwright, walks up to him in a restaurant and says, “Sieg Heil! Fuck you, you Jew cunts, we’re gonna kill all of you." before attacking him.

Trump supporters beat black man so badly he’s hospitalized for concussion and call him the n-word.

Trump supporter pepper sprays a 15-year-old girl point-blank in the face after another Trump supporter groped her breasts, shouting “n*gger lover” as she attempted to run away.

Trump supporter walks up to a black man in the middle of a downtown area and says, "Donald Trump will deport you." Before punching the black man.

“Trump is going to win and if you don’t like it I’m going to beat your ass,” Trump supporter yells at random black woman outside of convenient store.

Man attacks and kicks Muslim airport employee shouting, "Trump is here now, he will get rid of all of you."

In 8 months Trump supporters attacked protesters at 20 different rallies.

Trump supporter tracks down a local Latino Democratic political candidate and tries to run him and his elderly mother over with a car. (The Latino candidate is also a former marine.)

"This is for Donald Trump!" man yells as he runs up a Latino person and punches them in the head.

Trump supporter goes to Hillary Clinton rally to disrupt the event, ends up punching someone when asked to leave.

Trump supporter punches, chokes and slaps protesters on video during rally.

An angry mob of Trump supporters brutally beat and grab a mans genitals because he held up a, "Republicans Against Trump" sign.

A Trump supporter yells, "Get your black kids out of here. Do you even have a job? Do you know what a job is, n*gger?" Before physically attacking a black man who had come to the hospital to get help for his sick 2 week old daughter.

Local Republican Politician sexually assaults a woman by, "grabbing her pussy." and then says he is allowed to do it because now that Trump is president he doesn't have to be politically correct.

Canadian man who was a vocal Trump supporter both online and in person goes into a mosque and murders 6 people.

Trump supporter physically assaults Comedian on stage for making Anti-Trump Joke.

Man yells, "Trump" while beating African immigrant cab driver.

A Trump supporter is arrested for burning a Mosque down.

A Trump supporter sees a car has pro-gay bumper stickers on it and then follows the car, waiting for the 75 year old driver to get out before brutally attacking him while screaming, "My new president says we can kill all you f*ggots now."

A Trump supporter is arrested after brutally attacking gay men outside a McDonald’s. Witnesses describe the aftermath as, "There was blood everywhere."

A Muslim refugee gay rights activist is kidnapped and raped by two men in retaliation for, "Trump being mocked."

A Trump supporter is arrested on terrorism charges for building bombs he was going to use to kill Muslims.

Person spray-paints a transgender veterans car with the word "Trump" then sets it on fire.

A Trump supporter attacks two Muslim women and tries to push over a stroller with a baby in it while screaming, "Get the fuck out of America"

2 Trump supporters write on Facebook that they can't wait to crack liberals skulls when they go to Milo event. They show up to the event in MAGA hats drunk and walk up to a crowd of people and spray them with tear gas, when one man tries to intervene they shoot him in the stomach.

A Trump supporter tells a random Muslim woman he sees on the street, "I'm voting for Trump because he said he would send all of you terrorists out of this country.” Before attacking her.

Man shoots out the windows of two businesses from a car while shouting, "Hail Trump."

A Trump supporter storms into building on college campus, asks random students if they are liberals, when they say yes he pulls out a machete and attacks them.

From November 9 to December 12, 2016. Trump supporters who mentioned Trump by name during their attacks committed 418 reported hate crimes, in that same time period only 24 hate crimes were perpetrated against Trump supporters.

Self proclaimed Trump fan and online alt-right fanatic, murders black Army Lieutenant in unprovoked hate crime.

https://np.reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/675rlh/why_are_leftists_so_
violent
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Tuesday, September 11, 2018 3:33 PM

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There is NO doubt, nor can there be ANY debate, that Trump supporters are overwhelmingly violent, murderous, and traitorous, when compared to the lifesaving heroes of Antifa, and their fellow peace-loving, informed thinkers on the left.

My grandfather was awarded medals for killing fascists. If he were here to see these little spoiled white boys marching around with Nazi flags and shouting racial slurs, and murdering and beating people, he'd have killed a bunch more.

And he would deserve another medal. He loved America.

Nazis and Russian trolls do not.

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Tuesday, September 11, 2018 3:59 PM

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Originally posted by reaverfan:

Two men beat a homeless man with a metal bar and urinate on him screaming, “Donald Trump was right, all these illegals need to be deported,” When asked for a comment about the incident Trump defends them saying, "My supporters are very passionate. They love this country and they want this country to be great again."

The problem is much bigger than the few dozen incidents listed. As of today, Trump has 40% of Americans approving of his performance. So we've got like 120,000,000 Americans approving of him, despite everything they could know about Trump. One hundred twenty million is a large number of scumbags following the ultimate scumbag.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

A typical example of aggressive scum-bagging being ignored by 120,000,000 Trump scumbags:
Quote:

More than 400 migrant children remain separated from their parents and under the federal government’s care, according to court documents filed this week.

In late July — the deadline set by a federal judge for the U.S.to reunite more than 2,500 migrant families separated at the southwest border — federal agents had successfully reunited more than half of affected children with their parents. Now, the number of children that remain separated as a result of the Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” policy hovers at 416, dozens fewer than reported in last week’s status update.

www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/more-than-400-migrant-children-remain-sepa
rated-from-their-parents-heres-what-we-know


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Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:57 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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There is NO doubt, nor can there be ANY debate, that Trump supporters are overwhelmingly violent, murderous, and traitorous, when compared to the lifesaving heroes of Antifa, and their fellow peace-loving, informed thinkers on the left.
OMFG!!! I don't know if you did that on purpose, but you owe me a new keyboard. Thanks for the laff!

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Tuesday, September 11, 2018 11:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

There is NO doubt, nor can there be ANY debate, that Trump supporters are overwhelmingly violent, murderous, and traitorous, when compared to the lifesaving heroes of Antifa, and their fellow peace-loving, informed thinkers on the left.
OMFG!!! I don't know if you did that on purpose, but you owe me a new keyboard. Thanks for the laff!


Denial of obvious facts is your most well-known trait. You are the quintessential Russian troll.

Someone there should buy you a shot of vodka for your bullshitting.

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Wednesday, September 12, 2018 2:48 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

The problem is much bigger than the few dozen incidents listed. As of today, Trump has 40% of Americans approving of his performance. So we've got like 120,000,000 Americans approving of him, despite everything they could know about Trump. One hundred twenty million is a large number of scumbags following the ultimate scumbag.
Apparently you STILL don't "get it".

Quote:

Most presidents would seek to calm the roiling waters of their White House.- SECOND

Most Presidents would promise their constituents anything to get elected, and then quickly revert to doing whatever the establishment/deep state wanted them to do.- SIGNY

Trump is not most presidents.-SECOND

WHICH IS WHY SO MANY PEOPLE VOTED FOR HIM. Your extreme anti-GOP bias prevents you from seeing the obvious, SECOND ... the middle class has been sucked dry for decades and people are ANGRY. They don't want "more of the same", they've HAD "more of the same" and yanno what? It's just not working for them. They want results, not a flim-flam man (or woman) tossing out empty promises. - SIGNY

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=62659&p=2

Quote:

A typical example of aggressive scum-bagging being ignored by 120,000,000 Trump scumbags:
Quote:

More than 400 migrant children remain separated from their parents and under the federal government’s care, according to court documents filed this week.

OMG!!!! 400 children separated from their parents!!!!

Tell me, SECOND, HOW MANY CHILDREN DO YOU THINK OUR PROXIES KILLED IN SYRIA? Fifty thousand? A hundred thousand? My god, you're twisted. You have NO sense of proportion.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Wednesday, September 12, 2018 3:07 AM

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Ooooo, RF....thems fighting words! Obvious facts seem to escape those stalwart champions of the alt-right. Alternative facts!


sgg


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

There is NO doubt, nor can there be ANY debate, that Trump supporters are overwhelmingly violent, murderous, and traitorous, when compared to the lifesaving heroes of Antifa, and their fellow peace-loving, informed thinkers on the left.
OMFG!!! I don't know if you did that on purpose, but you owe me a new keyboard. Thanks for the laff!


Denial of obvious facts is your most well-known trait. You are the quintessential Russian troll.

Someone there should buy you a shot of vodka for your bullshitting.


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Wednesday, September 12, 2018 3:08 AM

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It's all about Ratings my friend.


SGG


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Wednesday, September 12, 2018 7:56 AM

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... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
It's all about Ratings my friend.



Aimed mostly at the small minded, white male racists and the women who love/fear them.

Trump / Fux playing to their worst instincts, hate, bigotry, damaged pride... they are telling them, "Hey now, don't worry! People want to make you feel bad for hating others, but they're the ones who are wrong. It's ok to hate non-white people! And here's how we can feed your racists instincts without you having to actually say, "I hate black people!" We'll say, "when has diversity ever worked? Would it be okay if you used Toyota parts on a Ford truck?? Of course not! See - we shouldn't mix people either!"

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Wednesday, September 12, 2018 7:59 AM

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Yup. Everybody who doesn't agree with you is a racist.

Clown.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
There is NO doubt, nor can there be ANY debate, that Trump supporters are overwhelmingly violent, murderous, and traitorous, when compared to the lifesaving heroes of Antifa, and their fellow peace-loving, informed thinkers on the left.

My grandfather was awarded medals for killing fascists. If he were here to see these little spoiled white boys marching around with Nazi flags and shouting racial slurs, and murdering and beating people, he'd have killed a bunch more.

And he would deserve another medal. He loved America.

Nazis and Russian trolls do not.



lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:06 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
There is NO doubt, nor can there be ANY debate, that Trump supporters are overwhelmingly violent, murderous, and traitorous, when compared to the lifesaving heroes of Antifa, and their fellow peace-loving, informed thinkers on the left.

My grandfather was awarded medals for killing fascists. If he were here to see these little spoiled white boys marching around with Nazi flags and shouting racial slurs, and murdering and beating people, he'd have killed a bunch more.

And he would deserve another medal. He loved America.

Nazis and Russian trolls do not.


lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Why is widespread reichwing terrorism and violence funny?

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