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Saturday, June 23, 2018 4:35 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


But the "government" they know what's best...........

Oh the irony.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You do know that the pictures that appear on the news are provided by the "government," by ICE itself. They don't allow any kind of recording devices, or allow interviews, of the refugees.



Of course they don't. That would be invading the privacy of a minor, who can't be deemed to give consent.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

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Saturday, June 23, 2018 5:32 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Obviously you haven't been paying attention Six.

Not Mexico, but Central America, in particular Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador.
Fleeing violence from those countries, which is a helluva difference from the violence here in the US. Just take a look at what your "friend" Siggy posted above
regarding the right-wing deaths in the 80s. Those were rather brutal bastards.

But today you have something far worse, gangs and drug cartels. Anyway, you don't
want to help them, fine, step aside.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Don't bother Reaverfan, these guys are about as dumb as a bag of rocks.
Actually, rocks have higher IQs. Besides they are following the Putin Playbook. Just like the Shit for Brains: Lewandowski.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hyperbole.




Don't cross the border illegally and this won't happen.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Seeking asylum isn't illegal. Trump's intentional abuse of children is a crime.

And you wonder why we pity you, wet-brain.




Just what the fuck are they seeking asylum from in Mexico?

Don't you dare even say that there aren't enough cops there policing gang violence or the drug trade either.

I grew up near communities that had the exact same problem and still do to this day. I live by one now, and some of the people I work with actually live inside of it.

We've got problems of our own we need to tend to first, before adding to our own by taking on Mexico's problem.


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Saturday, June 23, 2018 7:17 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Obviously you haven't been paying attention Six.

Not Mexico, but Central America, in particular Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador.
Fleeing violence from those countries, which is a helluva difference from the violence here in the US. Just take a look at what your "friend" Siggy posted above
regarding the right-wing deaths in the 80s. Those were rather brutal bastards.

But today you have something far worse, gangs and drug cartels. Anyway, you don't
want to help them, fine, step aside.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Don't bother Reaverfan, these guys are about as dumb as a bag of rocks.
Actually, rocks have higher IQs. Besides they are following the Putin Playbook. Just like the Shit for Brains: Lewandowski.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hyperbole.




Don't cross the border illegally and this won't happen.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Seeking asylum isn't illegal. Trump's intentional abuse of children is a crime.

And you wonder why we pity you, wet-brain.




Just what the fuck are they seeking asylum from in Mexico?

Don't you dare even say that there aren't enough cops there policing gang violence or the drug trade either.

I grew up near communities that had the exact same problem and still do to this day. I live by one now, and some of the people I work with actually live inside of it.

We've got problems of our own we need to tend to first, before adding to our own by taking on Mexico's problem.




Last I checked, there is a 758,400 sq mile country in between us. They can stay in Mexico.

Until we have Utopia here, and let me tell you, it's far from it now, we don't need to be making things worse by bringing in more people from shithole countries that can't speak English that we have to pay for.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, June 23, 2018 11:42 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

What's worse, GSTRING ... showing a disturbing image online, or killing actual babies? You're OK with killing babies but not OK with showing the results? 'Cause, yanno, maybe if we posted a picture of EVERYONE that we killed, maybe we wouldn't kill so many people!

You don't REALLY care about "children" GSTRING, or you'd be a lot hotter about the children who are at the muzzle end of our foreign policy. So, what's your REAL problem here, GSTRING? And what's your real purpose?



BREAKING NEWS: 2018 SJW & Virtue Signaling Award of the Year goes to: SICKNYM! Jesus JackString, how are you not getting all angry feelz about that display?? That's virtuoso stuff.

SICKNYM rationalizes posting offensive images to a board with 10 active members because she believes she is saving South America by doing so. She is so blind to her actions she believes she can save the world by posting on FFF.net. She could care less about the person in the photo or their family. Would she feel the same if someone somewhere posted without permission images of her DD in a similar situation? I'm gonna bet she is going to continue her self-righteous spittle rant by saying, "If it would save lives, then YES!" All while ignoring the fact that it is just disgusting to most of the 10 people that see it. SICKNYM has no sense of context or proportion - she has become the perfect Trump/Putin foot soldier.

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Saturday, June 23, 2018 12:23 PM

REAVERFAN




Do you really think there are 10?

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Saturday, June 23, 2018 3:36 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN



Time magazine cover showing President Trump looking down on a crying 2-year-old Honduran girl.

Of course now we know that the “crying girl” story was totally fake news. That girl was never separated from her mother, and they had paid a smuggler six thousand dollars to get them across the border.

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Saturday, June 23, 2018 3:39 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


Its all distraction.

Trump alwayz duz the most outrajus thing he can think uv to maximize the attention. Why else woud Melania wear that coat?

The obvious thing to distract from iz the TrumPutin conspirasy, but I'm suspicious that even that iz just a distraction.

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Saturday, June 23, 2018 4:24 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.




Quote:

-THIS is the subject that GSTRING "isn't interested" in discussing - SIGNY

Wrong again ... I've not only "seen that movie" I've been in it.- GSTRING



So, yes, GSTRING, what WAS your role in this "movie", exactly? 'Cause, yanno, I can think of all kinds of unsavory things you could have been doing.

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As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Saturday, June 23, 2018 5:21 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Time magazine cover showing President Trump looking down on a crying 2-year-old Honduran girl.

Of course now we know that the “crying girl” story was totally fake news. That girl was never separated from her mother, and they had paid a smuggler six thousand dollars to get them across the border.

Why wasn't she? All those other kids were.

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Saturday, June 23, 2018 5:23 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Its all distraction.

Trump alwayz duz the most outrajus thing he can think uv to maximize the attention. Why else woud Melania wear that coat?

The obvious thing to distract from iz the TrumPutin conspirasy, but I'm suspicious that even that iz just a distraction.

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Gaslighting. A typical fascist tactic.

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Sunday, June 24, 2018 2:34 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


You know, all so-called Americans came from SHITHOLE countries, like Germany, for instance. Ireland, Switzerland, Norway, Italy....shall I go on.

You are a product of a SHITHOLE country.

And now, it's official. Only Natives born here are TRUE AMERICANS.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Obviously you haven't been paying attention Six.

Not Mexico, but Central America, in particular Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador.
Fleeing violence from those countries, which is a helluva difference from the violence here in the US. Just take a look at what your "friend" Siggy posted above
regarding the right-wing deaths in the 80s. Those were rather brutal bastards.

But today you have something far worse, gangs and drug cartels. Anyway, you don't
want to help them, fine, step aside.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Don't bother Reaverfan, these guys are about as dumb as a bag of rocks.
Actually, rocks have higher IQs. Besides they are following the Putin Playbook. Just like the Shit for Brains: Lewandowski.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hyperbole.




Don't cross the border illegally and this won't happen.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Seeking asylum isn't illegal. Trump's intentional abuse of children is a crime.

And you wonder why we pity you, wet-brain.




Just what the fuck are they seeking asylum from in Mexico?

Don't you dare even say that there aren't enough cops there policing gang violence or the drug trade either.

I grew up near communities that had the exact same problem and still do to this day. I live by one now, and some of the people I work with actually live inside of it.

We've got problems of our own we need to tend to first, before adding to our own by taking on Mexico's problem.




Last I checked, there is a 758,400 sq mile country in between us. They can stay in Mexico.

Until we have Utopia here, and let me tell you, it's far from it now, we don't need to be making things worse by bringing in more people from shithole countries that can't speak English that we have to pay for.

Do Right, Be Right. :)


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Sunday, June 24, 2018 6:13 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING ... but with more detail.

Quote:

How US policy in Honduras set the stage for today’s mass migration

Central American migrants – particularly unaccompanied minors – are again crossing the U.S.-Mexico boundary in large numbers.

In 2014, more than 68,000 unaccompanied Central American children were apprehended at the U.S.-Mexico boundary. This year so far there have been close to 60,000.

The mainstream narrative often reduces the causes of migration to factors unfolding in migrants’ home countries. In reality, migration is often a manifestation of a profoundly unequal and exploitative relationship between migrant-sending countries and countries of destination. Understanding this is vital to making immigration policy more effective and ethical.

Through my research on immigration and border policing, I have learned a lot about these dynamics. One example involves relations between Honduras and the United States.
U.S. roots of Honduran emigration

I first visited Honduras in 1987 to do research. As I walked around the city of Comayagua, many thought that I, a white male with short hair in his early 20’s, was a U.S. soldier. This was because hundreds of U.S. soldiers were stationed at the nearby Palmerola Air Base at the time. Until shortly before my arrival, many of them would frequent Comayagua, particularly its “red zone” of female sex workers.

U.S. military presence in Honduras and the roots of Honduran migration to the United States are closely linked. It began in the late 1890s, when U.S.-based banana companies first became active there.

As I posted, we've "intervened" in eery nation south of the border (except Costa Rica) - some of them multiple times - on behalf of our banks, transnationals, and the landowners and juntas who serve them Honduras is one such unfortunate recipient of our kind attentions
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As historian Walter LaFeber writes in “Inevitable Revolutions: The United States in Central America,” American companies “built railroads, established their own banking systems, and bribed government officials at a dizzying pace.” As a result, the Caribbean coast “became a foreign-controlled enclave that systematically swung the whole of Honduras into a one-crop economy whose wealth was carried off to New Orleans, New York, and later Boston.”

By 1914, U.S. banana interests owned almost 1 million acres of Honduras’ best land. These holdings grew through the 1920s to such an extent that, as LaFeber asserts, Honduran peasants “had no hope of access to their nation’s good soil.” Over a few decades, U.S. capital also came to dominate the country’s banking and mining sectors, a process facilitated by the weak state of Honduras’ domestic business sector. This was coupled with direct U.S. political and military interventions to protect U.S. interests in 1907 and 1911.

Such developments made Honduras’ ruling class dependent on Washington for support. A central component of this ruling class was and remains the Honduran military. By the mid-1960s it had become, in LaFeber’s words, the country’s “most developed political institution,” – one that Washington played a key role in shaping.


The Reagan era



A U.S. military advisor instructs Honduran troopers in Puerto Castilla, Honduras, in 1983. AP Photo

This was especially the case during the presidency of Ronald Reagan in the 1980s. At that time, U.S. political and military policy was so influential that many referred to the Central American country as the “U.S.S. Honduras” and the Pentagon Republic.

As part of its effort to overthrow the Sandinista government in neighboring Nicaragua and “roll back” the region’s leftist movements, the Reagan administration “temporarily” stationed several hundred U.S. soldiers in Honduras. Moreover, it trained and sustained Nicaragua’s “contra” rebels on Honduran soil, while greatly increasing military aid and arm sales to the country.

Nicaragua was another such hapless nation.

Quote:

The Reagan years also saw the construction of numerous joint Honduran-U.S. military bases and installations. Such moves greatly strengthened the militarization of Honduran society. In turn, political repression rose. There was a dramatic increase in the number of political assassinations, “disappearances” and illegal detentions.

The Reagan administration also played a big role in restructuring the Honduran economy. It did so by strongly pushing for internal economic reforms, with a focus on exporting manufactured goods. It also helped deregulate and destabilize the global coffee trade, upon which Honduras heavily depended. These changes made Honduras more amenable to the interests of global capital. They disrupted traditional forms of agriculture and undermined an already weak social safety net.

These decades of U.S. involvement in Honduras set the stage for Honduran emigration to the United States, which began to markedly increase in the 1990s.

In the post-Reagan era, Honduras remained a country scarred by a heavy-handed military, significant human rights abuses and pervasive poverty. Still, liberalizing tendencies of successive governments and grassroots pressure provided openings for democratic forces.

They contributed, for example, to the election of Manuel Zelaya, a liberal reformist, as president in 2006. He led on progressive measures such as raising the minimum wage. He also tried to organize a plebiscite to allow for a constituent assembly to replace the country’s constitution, which had been written during a military government. However, these efforts incurred the ire of the country’s oligarchy, leading to his overthrow by the military in June 2009.

Post-coup Honduras
The 2009 coup, more than any other development, explains the increase in Honduran migration across the southern U.S. border in the last few years. The Obama administration has played an important role in these developments. Although it officially decried Zelaya’s ouster, it equivocated on whether or not it constituted a coup, which would have required the U.S. to stop sending most aid to the country.


Then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton meets with Honduran foreign minister in 2010. AP Photo/Evan Vucci

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, in particular, sent conflicting messages, and worked to ensure that Zelaya did not return to power. This was contrary to the wishes of the Organization of American States, the leading hemispheric political forum composed of the 35 member-countries of the Americas, including the Caribbean. Several months after the coup, Clinton supported a highly questionable election aimed at legitimating the post-coup government.

Strong military ties between the U.S. and Honduras persist: several hundred U.S. troops are stationed at Soto Cano Air Base (formerly Palmerola) in the name of fighting the drug war and providing humanitarian aid.

Since the coup, writes historian Dana Frank, “a series of corrupt administrations has unleashed open criminal control of Honduras, from top to bottom of the government.”

Organized crime, drug traffickers and the country’s police heavily overlap. Impunity reigns in a country with frequent politically-motivated killings. It is the world’s most dangerous country for environmental activists, according to Global Witness, an international nongovernmental organization.

Although its once sky-high murder rate has declined, the continuing exodus of many youth demonstrates that violent gangs still plague urban neighborhoods.

Meanwhile, post-coup governments have intensified an increasingly unregulated, “free market” form of capitalism that makes life unworkable for many. Government spending on health and education, for example, has declined in Honduras. Meanwhile, the country’s poverty rate has risen markedly. These contribute to the growing pressures that push many people to migrate.

While the next U.S. president will deliberate about what to do about unwanted immigration from “south of the border,” this history provides lessons as to the roots of migration. It also raises ethical questions as to the responsibility of the United States toward those now fleeing from the ravages U.S. policy has helped to produce.


https://theconversation.com/how-us-policy-in-honduras-set-the-stage-fo
r-todays-mass-migration-65935?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=facebookbutton



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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Tuesday, June 26, 2018 9:13 AM

REAVERFAN


Avenatti: The government can't match removed children to mothers

Michael Avenatti, attorney for a former foster facility employee, talks with Rachel Maddow about his client who smuggled video out of the facility to show the consequences of the Trump administration's "zero tolerance" border policy.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/avenatti-the-government-can-t
-match-removed-children-to-mothers-1263877699908?playlist=associated


And Blumpy's supporters still have the gall to say they aren't all the same, they aren't all crazy racists, they aren't bad people just because they support him.

Supporting Donald Trump is supporting tearing children, toddlers, babies from their parents and not keeping a single record so they can never be returned. It's unforgivable. It's unconscionable. We keep hitting new lows and I am horrified to think what might be next. But god forbid you think that Trump supporters are bad people.

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Tuesday, June 26, 2018 9:22 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
And Blumpy's supporters still have the gall to say they aren't all the same, they aren't all crazy racists, they aren't bad people just because they support him.

Supporting Donald Trump is supporting tearing children, toddlers, babies from their parents and not keeping a single record so they can never be returned. It's unforgivable. It's unconscionable. We keep hitting new lows and I am horrified to think what might be next. But god forbid you think that Trump supporters are bad people.



I don't see how this isn't kidnapping and very prosecutable. I hope there are many lawsuits.

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Tuesday, June 26, 2018 9:24 AM

REAVERFAN


Stephen Miller's apartment building target of immigration protest
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/06/25/ste
phen-millers-apartment-building-target-immigration-protest/733162002
/

White House senior adviser Stephen Miller famously used the adjective “cosmopolitan” to insult CNN’s Jim Acosta during an exchange in the White House briefing room last week, implying that the journalist somehow bore an air of swampy elitism.

But wait, what’s that expression about people in glass houses?

It turns out that Miller calls home a nearly $1 million condo in CityCenter, one of Washington’s poshest addresses and a complex that proudly offers residents an upscale, urbane lifestyle. With high-end international retailers such as Hermès and Gucci on the street level alongside fancy Italian, Asian and French eateries, the building is billed as “the new ideal for sophisticated, modern, urban living.” Also in the marketing materials is the slogan: “You are where you live.”

Which would make Miller … well, pretty cosmopolitan, in a city that is arguably among the most cosmopolitan in the world.

And all this time, I figured he slept in a coffin in the white house basement.



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Tuesday, June 26, 2018 9:39 AM

REAVERFAN


Surreptitious video offers peek at impact of Trump border policy

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/surreptitious-video-offers-pe
ek-at-impact-of-trump-border-policy-1263872579594?playlist=associated


In which you can hear a woman telling the kids they shouldn't speak to the press, or they don't know what will happen to them.

FREEDUMB!

Explain that away, trolls.

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Tuesday, June 26, 2018 10:16 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


I decided to try again.

You state that I failed to make my point; according to whom?
Secondly, you and your comrades make all kinds of accusations and comments that
borders on delusional. You make comments that, quite frankly, boggles the mind.
But let's not quibble over that. I submit my remarks and comments based mainly on
common sense. At times, I do a little research so that I know what I'm talking about. Most times I ignored your insults and attempts at ridicule, but every once in a while I load up the shotgun and fire both barrels.

If you don't like my little contributions to RWED, tough.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Having failed to make your case here...

This is Why Trump is a SCUMBAG!
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=62480

and here...

speaking of the news
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62476

... you start YET ANOTHER THREAD on the same topic with the same amount of spittle? Why don't you just go back to the other threads and address the points which you failed to answer the first couple-of-dozen-times?


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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876


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Tuesday, June 26, 2018 10:26 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


That's what I've concluded. This is kidnapping and child abuse at the very least.
Those kids, especially the very young ones, have been traumatized and may never recover. Now I suspect that Keeks, Sigs, JSF and Six will make the "brilliant" comments that the parents
are to blame.

Fuck that! There are other ways to handle this influx of desperate people. Plus
I've heard stories of how ICE and border patrol set up and lie to the parents,
then steal the child under false pretenses. They cut off access to legal entry
on the Points of Entry, then they tell the parents that they are going to give
the kids a bath. The parents assure the children that it's okay, and off they go.

Now that is downright scumbag behavior. Well, what do you expect from a scumbag
president (you like how I worked "scumbag" into the conversation, don't you Sig?).


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
And Blumpy's supporters still have the gall to say they aren't all the same, they aren't all crazy racists, they aren't bad people just because they support him.

Supporting Donald Trump is supporting tearing children, toddlers, babies from their parents and not keeping a single record so they can never be returned. It's unforgivable. It's unconscionable. We keep hitting new lows and I am horrified to think what might be next. But god forbid you think that Trump supporters are bad people.



I don't see how this isn't kidnapping and very prosecutable. I hope there are many lawsuits.


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Tuesday, June 26, 2018 10:40 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


1000% Agree RF. Keeping children indoors, with windowless "tents," 22 out of 24 hours sounds like jail to me. Kudos to the woman who bravely videotaped the little girl in the New York facility (delivered in the dead of night and without so
much as a phone call to the mayor).

My heart broke watching as she cried for her mom and dad.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Avenatti: The government can't match removed children to mothers

Michael Avenatti, attorney for a former foster facility employee, talks with Rachel Maddow about his client who smuggled video out of the facility to show the consequences of the Trump administration's "zero tolerance" border policy.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/avenatti-the-government-can-t
-match-removed-children-to-mothers-1263877699908?playlist=associated


And Blumpy's supporters still have the gall to say they aren't all the same, they aren't all crazy racists, they aren't bad people just because they support him.

Supporting Donald Trump is supporting tearing children, toddlers, babies from their parents and not keeping a single record so they can never be returned. It's unforgivable. It's unconscionable. We keep hitting new lows and I am horrified to think what might be next. But god forbid you think that Trump supporters are bad people.


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Tuesday, June 26, 2018 4:47 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


Lets call it wut it iz: kidnapping.

Just kuz its the gummit doing it duznt make it sumthing else.

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Tuesday, June 26, 2018 7:39 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Lets call it wut it iz: kidnapping.

Just kuz its the gummit doing it duznt make it sumthing else.

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Yup.

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Wednesday, June 27, 2018 12:25 PM

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Wednesday, June 27, 2018 12:26 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Thank god they cancelled Roseanne before she becomes the first female President.

lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, June 27, 2018 12:56 PM

REAVERFAN


Fox & Friends tries to ambush Democrat who supports abolishing ICE and it does not go well
Unable to win the debate, host Brian Kilmeade abruptly ended his interview with Rep. Mark Pocan.
https://thinkprogress.org/mark-pocan-brian-kilmeade-abolish-ice-fox-an
d-friends-faa212e2218c
/

"Despite being presented with the facts, an agitated Kilmeade told Pocan that what he was saying about ICE was “all your opinion. You have no stats.” He then suggested Pocan would be better off using his time to personally try and apprehend undocumented immigrants."

Yay, Fox! LOL!

Police official accidentally debunks Trump’s MS-13 rant with a single stat
The president would have you believe Long Island is a war zone. It isn't.
https://thinkprogress.org/trump-ms-13-hysteria-exposed-long-island-8a6
f5fe7989e
/

Oopsie! LOL!

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Thursday, June 28, 2018 4:32 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Here, so you'll stop your bellyaching...……….

http://ktla.com/2018/06/26/san-diego-federal-judge-considers-aclu-requ
est-to-have-all-children-affected-by-immigration-policy-reunited-with-parents-within-30-days
/

Judge orders Trump Regime to return kids to parents - PRONTO!!!


SGG

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Thursday, June 28, 2018 11:22 AM

REAVERFAN


And now- Baby stealing for Christian indoctrination!

Christian Non-Profit Faces Scrutiny Over Government Foster Care Contract for Separated Children
Bethany Christian Services, which has links to the family of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, has fostered out at least 81 children taken from their parents at the U.S. border.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/06/26/bethany-christian-services-fami
ly-separation-betsy-devos
/

"The organization has existing contracts with the Department of Health and Human Services to provide refugee resettlement services, as well as more overtly Christian initiatives such as abstinence-only sex education, and “healthy marriage promotion.”

We sent Bethany Christian Services a series of detailed questions, including what the end date for the provision of foster services is on the organization’s contract with the Department of Health and Human Services, whether the terms of the contract prohibited or allowed for the for the future possibility that separated children in Bethany’s care might be legally adopted by American families, as well as what the fees paid to Bethany by the government are. We did not receive a response of any kind.

We also sent similar detailed questions to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, including whether it was keeping a record of the identity and whereabouts of each child contracted out into foster care, and each child’s parents, as well as requesting some very basic facts on the number of separated children placed in foster care, and the names of the organizations being paid for it. We did not receive a response to any of our questions."

Looks suspicious to me.

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Thursday, July 5, 2018 12:03 PM

REAVERFAN


Legal definition of genocide
Genocide is defined in Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide
(1948) as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its
physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and]forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

Oopsie!

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Thursday, July 5, 2018 2:39 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
And now- Baby stealing for Christian indoctrination!

Christian Non-Profit Faces Scrutiny Over Government Foster Care Contract for Separated Children
Bethany Christian Services, which has links to the family of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, has fostered out at least 81 children taken from their parents at the U.S. border.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/06/26/bethany-christian-services-fami
ly-separation-betsy-devos
/

"The organization has existing contracts with the Department of Health and Human Services to provide refugee resettlement services, as well as more overtly Christian initiatives such as abstinence-only sex education, and “healthy marriage promotion.”

We sent Bethany Christian Services a series of detailed questions, including what the end date for the provision of foster services is on the organization’s contract with the Department of Health and Human Services, whether the terms of the contract prohibited or allowed for the for the future possibility that separated children in Bethany’s care might be legally adopted by American families, as well as what the fees paid to Bethany by the government are. We did not receive a response of any kind.

We also sent similar detailed questions to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, including whether it was keeping a record of the identity and whereabouts of each child contracted out into foster care, and each child’s parents, as well as requesting some very basic facts on the number of separated children placed in foster care, and the names of the organizations being paid for it. We did not receive a response to any of our questions."

Looks suspicious to me.



The White House is into human trafficking now - swell. You suppose Miller gets a commission on each child?

Seriously - who prosecutes human traffickers? Is that ACLU bringing a civil suit on behalf of parents?

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Thursday, July 5, 2018 5:59 PM

REAVERFAN


The Trump administration is not answering basic questions about separation of migrant families
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-administration-not-answering-basic-qu
estions-separation-migrant-families-211920669.html


White House press secretary Sarah Sanders similarly dodged a question the day before about the situation at the border. Daily Caller reporter Saagar Enjeti asked Sanders point blank, “What is current U.S. policy at the border?” Enjeti went on to specify that he wanted to know if the “zero tolerance” policy is still in effect. Sanders responded that Trump’s executive order “bought some time for Congress” to come up with a larger immigration reform solution. Her answer did not address whether the zero tolerance policy was still in effect and whether children were still being taken from their parents at the border.

“The clock is ticking. And Congress needs to act to fix this process because we’re running out of time on what we have the ability to do, particularly with the district court that weighed in just last week,” Sanders said.

Along with not answering whether immigrant children are still being taken from their parents, Trump administration officials are declining to provide updates on how many separated children remain in custody. On Monday, Splinter News received a statement from HHS that said it would no longer provide this information due to pending court cases and “the constantly changing number of unaccompanied alien children in our care.”

“While we understand the interest in detailed breakdowns of this information, our mission has been and remains to provide every minor transferred to HHS, regardless of the circumstances, with quality and age-appropriate care and a speedy and safe release to a sponsor,” the statement said.

A sponsor? What about their PARENTS?

SCUMBAG!

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Friday, July 6, 2018 6:55 AM

REAVERFAN


Families Belong Together: Child Separation as a Function of Capital
https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/07/05/families-belong-together-child
-separation-as-a-function-of-capital
/

Given the current channeling of children separated from their parents at the border into a foster-care/adoption industry primed to disconnect them from their families, communities, and cultures, a review of the history of this practice will go far to reveal the bigger picture that must be addressed if we are to claim any kind of socially progressive stance concerning these children and their families.

A history of scumbags.

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Friday, July 6, 2018 7:56 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Families Belong Together: Child Separation as a Function of Capital
https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/07/05/families-belong-together-child
-separation-as-a-function-of-capital
/

Given the current channeling of children separated from their parents at the border into a foster-care/adoption industry primed to disconnect them from their families, communities, and cultures, a review of the history of this practice will go far to reveal the bigger picture that must be addressed if we are to claim any kind of socially progressive stance concerning these children and their families.

A history of scumbags.



Yup... The humane thing to do would be to ship them all back together.

Especially since nobody is going to adopt a Mexican kid.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, July 6, 2018 11:38 AM

REAVERFAN


Analysis: If kids separated from their parents can’t hold our attention, what will?
Public attention has moved, but the news hasn't: The separated families on the border are still waiting to be reunited.
https://www.texastribune.org/2018/07/06/kids-parents-immigration-separ
ation-texas-mexico/?utm_campaign=trib-social&utm_medium=social&utm_source=reddit&utm_content=5654823845

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Friday, July 6, 2018 4:25 PM

REAVERFAN


After Trump's Latest Racist, Sexist "Pocahontas" Rant, Warren Hits Back: "Your Admin Is Conducting DNA Tests on Little Kids Because You Ripped Them From Their Mamas"
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/07/06/after-trumps-latest-racis
t-sexist-pocahontas-rant-warren-hits-back-your-admin

"Maybe you should focus on fixing the lives you're destroying," the Massachusetts senator added

SCUMBAG!

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Friday, July 6, 2018 5:03 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Yes, the ACLU filed a lawsuit for, I believe, a temporary restraining order and the Federal judge granted their suit and has ordered the trump Administration to return the separated children to their families:

U.S. District Court Judge Dana Sabraw, based in San Diego, issued a preliminary
injunction on June 26 ordering the Trump Admin. to return children younger than 5 within 14 days (on or about July 10) and those 5 and older within 30 days
(on or about July 26). Below is the link.

http://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/26/judge-orders-trump-reunite-mi
grant-families-678809


Quote:

Blasting the Trump administration for what he called “a chaotic circumstance of the Government’s own making,” Sabraw said it was a “startling reality” that no adequate planning had been done before officials embarked on a policy to separate children from parents kept in immigration custody or referred for criminal prosecution. The practice has led to more than 2,300 children being separated from their parents or other family members.
“The government readily keeps track of personal property of detainees in criminal and immigration proceedings,” Sabraw wrote in his 24-page order. “Money, important documents, and automobiles, to name a few, are routinely catalogued, stored, tracked and produced upon a detainee’s release, at all levels — state and federal, citizen and alien. Yet, the government has no system in place to keep track of, provide effective communication with, and promptly produce alien children. The unfortunate reality is that under the present system migrant children are not accounted for with the same efficiency and accuracy as property. Certainly, that cannot satisfy the requirements of due process.”



And for those who worry that the country will be overrun by "brown" babies:

Quote:

The preliminary injunction also blocks deporting parents who have been separated from their children “unless the Class Member affirmatively, knowingly, and voluntarily declines to be reunited with the child prior to the Class Member’s deportation, or there is a determination that the parent is unfit or presents a danger to the child.” The judge also prohibited future family separations, with limited exceptions.


There's more:

Quote:

“The right to family integrity still applies here,” the judge wrote. “The context of the family separation practice at issue here, namely an international border, does not render the practice constitutional, nor does it shield the practice from judicial review.”

Sabraw also said the government has an affirmative duty to reunite parents with their children, not simply to hand out toll-free numbers that immigrants can call to try to locate their kids, who are typically in the legal custody of the Department of Health and Human Services’ Office of Refugee Resettlement, or ORR.




SGG



Quote:

Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
And now- Baby stealing for Christian indoctrination!

Christian Non-Profit Faces Scrutiny Over Government Foster Care Contract for Separated Children
Bethany Christian Services, which has links to the family of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, has fostered out at least 81 children taken from their parents at the U.S. border.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/06/26/bethany-christian-services-fami
ly-separation-betsy-devos
/

"The organization has existing contracts with the Department of Health and Human Services to provide refugee resettlement services, as well as more overtly Christian initiatives such as abstinence-only sex education, and “healthy marriage promotion.”

We sent Bethany Christian Services a series of detailed questions, including what the end date for the provision of foster services is on the organization’s contract with the Department of Health and Human Services, whether the terms of the contract prohibited or allowed for the for the future possibility that separated children in Bethany’s care might be legally adopted by American families, as well as what the fees paid to Bethany by the government are. We did not receive a response of any kind.

We also sent similar detailed questions to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, including whether it was keeping a record of the identity and whereabouts of each child contracted out into foster care, and each child’s parents, as well as requesting some very basic facts on the number of separated children placed in foster care, and the names of the organizations being paid for it. We did not receive a response to any of our questions."

Looks suspicious to me.



The White House is into human trafficking now - swell. You suppose Miller gets a commission on each child?

Seriously - who prosecutes human traffickers? Is that ACLU bringing a civil suit on behalf of parents?


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Friday, July 6, 2018 5:57 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


The MSM is failing, just like they did with the Flint Michigan water crisis and
the Puerto Rico Hurricane relief effort.....but, I've been watching particularly
good coverage on the Migrant Family Separation fiasco on MSNBC. They have pretty
much wall-to-wall coverage and a couple of specials on the administration's
part in all of this.

They interviewed a high ranking officer within the border patrol that proved
interesting. A question was posed to hi regarding the number of MS-13 gang
members that they captured in a year. The answer was not very surprising to me:
180 gang members trying to cross the border, out of 187,000...that's less than
1%. To hear Trump tell it, he makes it seem that it's more thousands are entering
the U.S.

I've also heard some truly horror stories regarding the kids detention. I will search those interviews and post them here.

This is Chris Hayes on the HHS confusion over how many children they have in custody.

http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/hhs-chief-vague-about-how-many-kids-
separated-from-parents-1271102019580



SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Analysis: If kids separated from their parents can’t hold our attention, what will?
Public attention has moved, but the news hasn't: The separated families on the border are still waiting to be reunited.
https://www.texastribune.org/2018/07/06/kids-parents-immigration-separ
ation-texas-mexico/?utm_campaign=trib-social&utm_medium=social&utm_source=reddit&utm_content=5654823845


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Friday, July 6, 2018 8:58 PM

REAVERFAN


The Trump admin just told a federal judge that 19 parents of children under 5 years old have already been deported. They are arguing that they shouldn't have to reunite them with their kids. The ACLU is pushing back.
https://twitter.com/AliceOllstein/status/1015324747532570624

SCUMBAG!

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Monday, July 9, 2018 10:53 AM

REAVERFAN


MS-13 Gang Leader Getting Some Pretty Great Ideas From Watching ICE Work
https://www.theonion.com/ms-13-gang-leader-getting-some-pretty-great-i
deas-from-1826961586


SAN SALVADOR, EL SALVADOR—Praising U.S. law enforcement officials for the unfettered cruelty they have unleashed along the Mexican border, MS-13 gang leader Edwin Manica Flores admitted Tuesday that observing ICE’s work in recent weeks has provided him with quite a bit of inspiration.

“Seriously, we would have never thought of keeping kids in a cage like that—in fact, that’s kind of off-limits for us—but you can’t deny the genius behind it,” said Manica Flores, observing that when one of these children or parents goes on to commit suicide out of sheer grief, federal authorities won’t even be held criminally liable for the death.

“Sure, we have our fair share of evil tactics, but that ICE shit is next-level brilliant. I guess we can’t beat ourselves up too much, though, considering those guys have one of the most powerful governments in the world backing them. I’d love to meet one of those ICE motherfuckers, just to pick his brain a little, you know? We may force 9-year-olds to join MS-13, but the United States is putting them in cages like wild animals. That’s straight savage!”

Manica Flores went on to suggest that if his men were half as nasty as ICE, they would control 100 percent of U.S. drug trafficking within weeks.

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Saturday, July 14, 2018 10:11 AM

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Judge tells U.S. to pay costs of reuniting migrant families
https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-weigh-rules-u-works-reunite-migrant-f
amilies-100459600.html


One parent was initially asked to pay $1,900 to be reunited with their child, according to court papers from the ACLU.

Sarah Fabian, a lawyer for the government, said those decisions were handled at the field level and said the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, which houses detained children, had limited resources. She called the judge's order "a huge ask on HHS."

They seemed to have no trouble funding the separation in the first place but now that they need to fix it they are magically out of money.

Looks like they had no plan for ever returning the kids.

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