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Monday, September 24, 2018 7:57 PM

REAVERFAN


The first source of the New Yorker bombshell wasn’t Deborah Ramirez. It was Yale alumni.
The New Yorker’s Jane Mayer said she first saw Yale University alumni emails about Brett Kavanaugh’s alleged sexual misconduct in July.
https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2018/9/24/1789574
0/new-yorker-jane-mayer-yale-university-emails-brett-kavanaugh-deborah-ramirez


"Mayer said she and Farrow saw emails sent between Yale alums discussing the incident back in July, before Kavanaugh’s first accuser Christine Blasey Ford went public with her accusations of Kavanaugh sexually assaulting her when the two were in high school."

LOL so much for that "hit job by Dems" narrative.

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Monday, September 24, 2018 8:06 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
The first source of the New Yorker bombshell wasn’t Deborah Ramirez. It was Yale alumni.
The New Yorker’s Jane Mayer said she first saw Yale University alumni emails about Brett Kavanaugh’s alleged sexual misconduct in July.
https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2018/9/24/1789574
0/new-yorker-jane-mayer-yale-university-emails-brett-kavanaugh-deborah-ramirez


"Mayer said she and Farrow saw emails sent between Yale alums discussing the incident back in July, before Kavanaugh’s first accuser Christine Blasey Ford went public with her accusations of Kavanaugh sexually assaulting her when the two were in high school."

LOL so much for that "hit job by Dems" narrative.



Show the emails then.

Posting a story by Vox regarding a "she said" account by a "journalist" for one of the two most preferred Liberal outfits* out there after the fact isn't going to cut it as evidence.


* As stated by Pew Research: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/10/21/lets-rank-th
e-media-from-liberal-to-conservative-based-on-their-audiences/?utm_term=.c70c0f2771af


Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, September 24, 2018 8:08 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Soyboy can kiss my ass.




You meant "kick."



Make my day brother.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, September 25, 2018 4:57 AM

JO753

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Likely that Trump picked Kav for hiz distraction potential. So wuts really going on?

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Tuesday, September 25, 2018 5:28 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


I'm kind of shocked and amazed that you haven't blamed this on the Deep State yet...or Bill and Hillary, or Obama, or Antifa!

I vote for the Deep State, after all...wait lost my point...who cares you guys
don't need a point to place the blame on them.

Great timing! At least that's what Trump attributes it to. Just think the
Deep State instructed those ladies to bring all of their pain, humiliation
and suffering to the fore just to score political points with their base.

Of course, no one else does that.

But I can't, for the life of me, figure out why. Why would these women submit
themselves to that type of scrutiny? Death threats and the like.

I'm sure you'll find a reason Siggy.


SGG

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Tuesday, September 25, 2018 6:49 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Originally posted by JO753:
Likely that Trump picked Kav for hiz distraction potential. So wuts really going on?




Tax breaks for the Rich, round 2. The PoS is literally robbing from the treasury.

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Tuesday, September 25, 2018 8:41 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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But I can't, for the life of me, figure out why. Why would these women submit themselves to that type of scrutiny? Death threats and the like.- SGG
Both of these women sound incredibly confused about what happened. The first - FORD- doesn't remember where or (at first) even what year this event happened. NONE of any of the other people there recall any such party, one person denies knowing Kavanaugh at all, and Kavanaugh's personal notes from the time indicate that he was out of town for the summer in question.

One thing that hasn't been addressed in the M$M, as far as I know, was whether "Chrissy" was a habitual drinker. According to THIS website, which claims to be posting HER yearbook, she was ...
Quote:

In the pages below, you will see multiple photos and references to binge drinking and the accompanying joy of not being able to remember any of it.

These yearbooks are, therefore, relevant to the national investigation now being conducted in the media, in homes, and in the halls of Congress. And they should not have been scrubbed. If Brett Kavanaugh’s yearbooks are fair game, so are these.


https://cultofthe1st.blogspot.com/2018/09/why-christine-blasey-fords-h
igh-school_19.html


The second person- RAMIREZ - admits to having drunk to the point of nearly blacking out, and is ALSO uncertain about her memories including whether or not it was Kavanaugh at the party; in fact, it took her six days to piece together enough fragments of a memory to create a story. The NYT interviewed DOZENS of people without finding any corroboration before killing the story.

As I said before, I believe that Ford believes that she's telling the truth. I assume that Ramirez thinks that she's telling the truth too. They might even feel that they're doing their civic duty by coming forward with important information. I don't think either one is lying, but they could be MISTAKEN. That's why it's important to get corroborating testimony, which- so far, has failed to materialize.

It's entirely possible that everyone else was so drunk that nobody really remembers what happened either, or that everyone now in current responsible positions doesn't want to admit to attending drunken college or (worse) drunken high school parties. But unlike Bill Cosby's history of rape, what happened with these women allegedly happened IN PUBLIC. There should be SOME corroboration of the events possible.

At this point, there's exculpatory evidence in Ford's allegations (Kavanaugh was out of town) and no corroborating evidence for Ramirez' allegations, and without further solid evidence in either direction there simply isn't enough available for me to make up my mind. Therefore, innocent until proven guilty.

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Tuesday, September 25, 2018 10:23 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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I give you SIGGY's smear campaign littered with unsubstantiated claims and maybes:

Originally posted by SIGNYM in quotes:
"Both of these women sound incredibly confused about what happened." > Cites please

"The first - FORD- doesn't remember where or (at first) even what year this event happened." > Cites please

"NONE of any of the other people there recall any such party" > Cites please

"one person denies knowing Kavanaugh at all" - wow! One whole person - and why was any one asking someone who says they weren't there? How'd their name even come up? Cites.

"and Kavanaugh's personal notes from the time indicate that he was out of town for the summer in question." - there you have it! And we should trust that?

Never figured you to be such a dutiful servant of Fux and the GOP.

SIGGY: "One thing that hasn't been addressed in the M$M, as far as I know, was whether "Chrissy" was a habitual drinker."

Bravo young Trump student! You've adopted Trump's childish name calling to try and undermine respect! So weak of you! And I love how you leave a back door for your accusation that she's a binge drinker/slut/whore/alkie - at least that's what it sounds like you're doing to me.


SIGGY: "According to THIS website, which claims to be posting HER yearbook, she was ... In the pages below, you will see multiple photos and references to binge drinking and the accompanying joy of not being able to remember any of it."

- Are you suggesting that trying to rape her was just fine because she drank? Didn't think so. Have you ever been really drunk? I have, in college and I remembered the big stuff. Some of how I got where maybe not so much, but bad behavior or fights - those stand out. Some things like almost being raped - you won't forget.

SIGGY - These yearbooks are, therefore, relevant to the national investigation now being conducted in the media, in homes, and in the halls of Congress. And they should not have been scrubbed. If Brett Kavanaugh’s yearbooks are fair game, so are these.

- yes they are. That's what an FBI investigation would bring out so let's have it.


Siggy: "The second person- RAMIREZ - admits to having drunk to the point of nearly blacking out, and is ALSO uncertain about her memories including whether or not it was Kavanaugh at the party; in fact, it took her six days to piece together enough fragments of a memory to create a story. The NYT interviewed DOZENS of people without finding any corroboration before killing the story."

- Cites, cites, cites - you could just be repeating a Fox and Friends show.

Siggy - "As I said before, I believe that Ford believes that she's telling the truth. I assume that Ramirez thinks that she's telling the truth too. They might even feel that they're doing their civic duty by coming forward with important information. I don't think either one is lying, but they could be MISTAKEN. That's why it's important to get corroborating testimony, which- so far, has failed to materialize.

Yup - hello FBI investigation

Siggy - "It's entirely possible that everyone else was so drunk that nobody really remembers what happened either, or that everyone now in current responsible positions doesn't want to admit to attending drunken college or (worse) drunken high school parties. But unlike Bill Cosby's history of rape, what happened with these women allegedly happened IN PUBLIC. There should be SOME corroboration of the events possible. "

Everyone? People drank a lot and it was 30 years ago so memories are likely to be hard to bring back - all true. Unless you had those things happen to you.

But I want to hear it all, both sides.

Siggy - "At this point, there's exculpatory evidence in Ford's allegations (Kavanaugh was out of town) and no corroborating evidence for Ramirez' allegations, and without further solid evidence in either direction there simply isn't enough available for me to make up my mind. Therefore, innocent until proven guilty."

Considering Scalia's seat was open for over 400 days and just how important the seat is and how long it stays filled and how much of a lying sack this president is and how guilty of near treason offenses I believe he is and how he most definitely sees Kavanaugh as his get out of jail free card, I think we should have an FBI investigation at the very least.

Hey - have you seen those new accusations coming against Kavanaugh??? Interesting times!

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Tuesday, September 25, 2018 11:43 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


AND HERE WE HAVE GSTRING STICKING HIS HEAD IN THE SAND, as usual. There are too many cites to include them all, so I'll just link the M$M ones that I think GSTRING will find acceptable.

Quote:

I give you SIGGY's smear campaign littered with unsubstantiated claims and maybes:

"Both of these women sound incredibly confused about what happened. The first - FORD- doesn't remember where or (at first) even what year this event happened."" -SIGNY
Cites please-GSTRING



Ford says she doesn’t remember many details of the event, such as how she got home, the exact year it took place, or how the gathering was put together.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/16/17866988/brett-kavan
augh-christine-blasey-ford-washington-post


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"NONE of any of the other people there recall any such party"- SIGNY
Cites please - GSTRING



The people at the party. according to Ford, were Kavanaugh, Judge, "PJ" Smyth, and Ford herself. Each one (except Ford) has denied that there ever was a party.

Former classmate of Kavanaugh's [Smyth] denies being at party in sexual assault allegation
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/18/politics/pj-smyth-brett-kavanaugh/index
.html


Mark Judge tells Senate he 'has no memory of alleged' incident with Kavanaugh
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/18/politics/mark-judge-brett-kavanaugh-all
egations-senate-judiciary-committee/index.html


Do I really need to provide you with a link to Kavanaugh's denial?


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one person denies knowing Kavanaugh at all" SIGNY
wow! One whole person - and why was any one asking someone who says they weren't there? How'd their name even come up? - Cites. - GSTRING



Ford [female] friend [Leyland Keyser] says she doesn't recall party where alleged assault occurred
https://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/407950-senate-ford-friend-says
-she-doesnt-recall-party-where-alleged-assault


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"and Kavanaugh's personal notes from the time indicate that he was out of town for the summer in question." - SIGNY
There you have it! And we should trust that? - GSTRING

Those notes were written AT THE TIME. Maybe Kavanaugh was an exceptionally devious teen who wrote up a false narrative just to provide himself with an alibi 36 years later? In any case, if he was at a specific place and time, HIS notes can be corroborated as well.

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Never figured you to be such a dutiful servant of Fux and the GOP.
Never knew you to be so deeply in denial. Oh wait ... yes I have. You do it all the time.

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"One thing that hasn't been addressed in the M$M, as far as I know, was whether "Chrissy" was a habitual drinker." - SIGNY
Bravo young Trump student! You've adopted Trump's childish name calling to try and undermine respect! So weak of you! And I love how you leave a back door for your accusation that she's a binge drinker/slut/whore/alkie - at least that's what it sounds like you're doing to me. - GSTRING

Well people are bringing up JUDGE'S drinking, so why not CHRISSY'S? It might account for her HAZY MEMORY.

Quote:

"According to THIS website, which claims to be posting HER yearbook, she was ... In the pages below, you will see multiple photos and references to binge drinking and the accompanying joy of not being able to remember any of it."

- Are you suggesting that trying to rape her was just fine because she drank? Didn't think so. Have you ever been really drunk? I have, in college and I remembered the big stuff. Some of how I got where maybe not so much, but bad behavior or fights - those stand out. Some things like almost being raped - you won't forget.= GSTRING

No. I'm trying to say the same thing about HER memory that they say about Judge's ... if you drink to near-stupor, you may not remember things clearly.

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These yearbooks are, therefore, relevant to the national investigation now being conducted in the media, in homes, and in the halls of Congress. And they should not have been scrubbed. If Brett Kavanaugh’s yearbooks are fair game, so are these.- via SIGNY

yes they are. That's what an FBI investigation would bring out so let's have it.- GSTRING

Quote me where I said there should not be an investigation, because right now you're just LYING about my position.

Quote:

The second person- RAMIREZ - admits to having drunk to the point of nearly blacking out, and is ALSO uncertain about her memories including whether or not it was Kavanaugh at the party; in fact, it took her six days to piece together enough fragments of a memory to create a story. The NYT interviewed DOZENS of people without finding any corroboration before killing the story.- SIGNY

- Cites, cites, cites - you could just be repeating a Fox and Friends show.- GSTRING

I already provided links. But here you go ... again.

This one is the original reporting, which described her drinking and the six days it took to come up with a narrative

Senate Democrats Investigate a New Allegation of Sexual Misconduct, from Brett Kavanaugh’s College Years
...She was at first hesitant to speak publicly, partly because her memories contained gaps because she had been drinking at the time of the alleged incident. In her initial conversations with The New Yorker, she was reluctant to characterize Kavanaugh’s role in the alleged incident with certainty. After six days of carefully assessing her memories and consulting with her attorney, Ramirez said that she felt confident enough of her recollections ...

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/senate-democrats-investigate-
a-new-allegation-of-sexual-misconduct-from-the-supreme-court-nominee-brett-kavanaughs-college-years-deborah-ramirez


This is the NYT take on the Ramirez story
The Times had interviewed several dozen people over the past week in an attempt to corroborate her story, and could find no one with firsthand knowledge.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/23/us/politics/brett-kavanaugh-christi
ne-blasey-ford-testify.html


Quote:

"As I said before, I believe that Ford believes that she's telling the truth. I assume that Ramirez thinks that she's telling the truth too. They might even feel that they're doing their civic duty by coming forward with important information. I don't think either one is lying, but they could be MISTAKEN. That's why it's important to get corroborating testimony, which- so far, has failed to materialize. - SIGNY

Yup - hello FBI investigation- GSTRING

So, show me where I said there shouldn't be one.

Quote:

"It's entirely possible that everyone else was so drunk that nobody really remembers what happened either, or that everyone now in current responsible positions doesn't want to admit to attending drunken college or (worse) drunken high school parties. But unlike Bill Cosby's history of rape, what happened with these women allegedly happened IN PUBLIC. There should be SOME corroboration of the events possible. - SIGNY

Everyone?

Everyone present at those two parties. You know what I meant, don't be a dick.

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People drank a lot and it was 30 years ago so memories are likely to be hard to bring back - all true. Unless you had those things happen to you. - GSTRING
Well, I had something similar happen to me - not nearly as traumatic but definitely startling - and I remember with crystal clarity how old I was, where I was, how I got there, how I got home, and who else was there. The only thing that I can imagine that accounts for such hazy recollection BY THE VICTIMS is that they too, were drinking a lot. Maybe took a few hits on the bong? If we can call into question everyone else's memories of the occasion, we can call their into question too.

Quote:

But I want to hear it all, both sides.- GSTRING
No, you only want to hear ONE side. That's your problem.

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"At this point, there's exculpatory evidence in Ford's allegations (Kavanaugh was out of town) and no corroborating evidence for Ramirez' allegations, and without further solid evidence in either direction there simply isn't enough available for me to make up my mind. Therefore, innocent until proven guilty."- SIGNY

Gee, big surprise.- GSTRING

Yes, it's one our quaint DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS that THUGR keeps harping about. And it's no surprise that it's something you don't believe in.

You're so un-American, I'd think you were a Russian.

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Tuesday, September 25, 2018 12:18 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
I give you SIGGY's smear campaign littered with unsubstantiated claims and maybes:

Originally posted by SIGNYM in quotes:
"Both of these women sound incredibly confused about what happened." > Cites please

"The first - FORD- doesn't remember where or (at first) even what year this event happened." > Cites please

"NONE of any of the other people there recall any such party" > Cites please

"one person denies knowing Kavanaugh at all" - wow! One whole person - and why was any one asking someone who says they weren't there? How'd their name even come up? Cites.

"and Kavanaugh's personal notes from the time indicate that he was out of town for the summer in question." - there you have it! And we should trust that?

Never figured you to be such a dutiful servant of Fux and the GOP.

SIGGY: "One thing that hasn't been addressed in the M$M, as far as I know, was whether "Chrissy" was a habitual drinker."

Bravo young Trump student! You've adopted Trump's childish name calling to try and undermine respect! So weak of you! And I love how you leave a back door for your accusation that she's a binge drinker/slut/whore/alkie - at least that's what it sounds like you're doing to me.


SIGGY: "According to THIS website, which claims to be posting HER yearbook, she was ... In the pages below, you will see multiple photos and references to binge drinking and the accompanying joy of not being able to remember any of it."

- Are you suggesting that trying to rape her was just fine because she drank? Didn't think so. Have you ever been really drunk? I have, in college and I remembered the big stuff. Some of how I got where maybe not so much, but bad behavior or fights - those stand out. Some things like almost being raped - you won't forget.

SIGGY - These yearbooks are, therefore, relevant to the national investigation now being conducted in the media, in homes, and in the halls of Congress. And they should not have been scrubbed. If Brett Kavanaugh’s yearbooks are fair game, so are these.

- yes they are. That's what an FBI investigation would bring out so let's have it.


Siggy: "The second person- RAMIREZ - admits to having drunk to the point of nearly blacking out, and is ALSO uncertain about her memories including whether or not it was Kavanaugh at the party; in fact, it took her six days to piece together enough fragments of a memory to create a story. The NYT interviewed DOZENS of people without finding any corroboration before killing the story."

- Cites, cites, cites - you could just be repeating a Fox and Friends show.

Siggy - "As I said before, I believe that Ford believes that she's telling the truth. I assume that Ramirez thinks that she's telling the truth too. They might even feel that they're doing their civic duty by coming forward with important information. I don't think either one is lying, but they could be MISTAKEN. That's why it's important to get corroborating testimony, which- so far, has failed to materialize.

Yup - hello FBI investigation

Siggy - "It's entirely possible that everyone else was so drunk that nobody really remembers what happened either, or that everyone now in current responsible positions doesn't want to admit to attending drunken college or (worse) drunken high school parties. But unlike Bill Cosby's history of rape, what happened with these women allegedly happened IN PUBLIC. There should be SOME corroboration of the events possible. "

Everyone? People drank a lot and it was 30 years ago so memories are likely to be hard to bring back - all true. Unless you had those things happen to you.

But I want to hear it all, both sides.

Siggy - "At this point, there's exculpatory evidence in Ford's allegations (Kavanaugh was out of town) and no corroborating evidence for Ramirez' allegations, and without further solid evidence in either direction there simply isn't enough available for me to make up my mind. Therefore, innocent until proven guilty."

Considering Scalia's seat was open for over 400 days and just how important the seat is and how long it stays filled and how much of a lying sack this president is and how guilty of near treason offenses I believe he is and how he most definitely sees Kavanaugh as his get out of jail free card, I think we should have an FBI investigation at the very least.

Hey - have you seen those new accusations coming against Kavanaugh??? Interesting times!



Sig is a busy little troll.

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Tuesday, September 25, 2018 12:40 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


What I'm reading is that both Ford and Ramirez admit to not remembering a whole lot about the incidents in question. Ford, in particular, has a lot of haziness to her memory. Even the description of the house where she was assaulted (a bathroom and bedroom across from each other at the top of the stairs) doesn't match up with any of the houses she potentially could have been in.

What it boils down to is two women saying ... I'm pretty sure that's what happened; I think Kavanaugh was there. There is no eyewitness corroboration to their stories, despite all of the participants having weighed in (n Ford's case) and DOZENS of people having been interviewed (in Ramirez' case). In the meantime, there are dozens of people who knew Kavanuagh from that time period who have provided references to his character, and he did pass an FBI background check (which BTW are very, very thorough. I was interviewed a couple of times about people in my former employ, and I worked with someone who applied to the FBI and made it onto the list of eligible candidates. These people are not dummies, they pick up - uncomfortably- on any thread that seems to be sticking out from your narrative.)

So, how would YOU resolve this issue? What questions do you think need to be asked? What lines of inquiry should be followed? What should happen if these incidents can't be demonstrated tbeyond a reasonable doubt?

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Tuesday, September 25, 2018 3:23 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
AND HERE WE HAVE GSTRING STICKING HIS HEAD IN THE SAND, as usual. There are too many cites to include them all, so I'll just link the M$M ones that I think GSTRING will find acceptable.



I am so sorry. I asked you to back up your claims with something that has been a simple forum practice for years, cites, poor you. You should know that you really don't get to whine if you don't provide cites.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

"Both of these women sound incredibly confused about what happened. The first - FORD- doesn't remember where or (at first) even what year this event happened."" -SIGNY
Cites please-GSTRING

Ford says she doesn’t remember many details of the event, such as how she got home, the exact year it took place, or how the gathering was put together.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/16/17866988/brett-kavan
augh-christine-blasey-ford-washington-post




^Those details are on the periphery of the event - she is very certain about what happened and who did it though.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The people at the party. according to Ford, were Kavanaugh, Judge, "PJ" Smyth, and Ford herself. Each one (except Ford) has denied that there ever was a party.

Former classmate of Kavanaugh's [Smyth] denies being at party in sexual assault allegation
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/18/politics/pj-smyth-brett-kavanaugh/index
.html


Mark Judge tells Senate he 'has no memory of alleged' incident with Kavanaugh
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/18/politics/mark-judge-brett-kavanaugh-all
egations-senate-judiciary-committee/index.html




Wull, that sure seals it for me! If Brett's long time, close friends don't remember anything like this happening and they can also swear by their great friend's personal integrity and that he would never do anything like this, then I guess he didn't. < snarkasm > You gotta be joking. That's not enough.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Those notes were written AT THE TIME. Maybe Kavanaugh was an exceptionally devious teen who wrote up a false narrative just to provide himself with an alibi 36 years later? In any case, if he was at a specific place and time, HIS notes can be corroborated as well.



Riiiiight - he's going to write: "Finally got Debbie drunk enough to stick my dick in her face! I'm a Yale bad ass!" Jesus Siggy, get a clue.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well people are bringing up JUDGE'S drinking, so why not CHRISSY'S? It might account for her HAZY MEMORY.



Really, why to you disrespect her by calling her CHRISSY, all caps? You're like one of those prosecutors that tries to make women feel bad for reporting rape, make them less than some how. It's kind of disgusting, really.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
That's what an FBI investigation would bring out so let's have it.- GSTRING
Quote me where I said there should not be an investigation, because right now you're just LYING about my position.



Show me where I said YOU said there shouldn't be an FBI investigation. Right, so I guess it was you who was lying.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This is the NYT take on the Ramirez story
The Times had interviewed several dozen people over the past week in an attempt to corroborate her story, and could find no one with firsthand knowledge.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/23/us/politics/brett-kavanaugh-christi
ne-blasey-ford-testify.html




Right - if someone does know they aren't going to stick their neck out or feign loss of memory especially considering how hot this is right now. But there's plenty of buzz in that article to raise suspicions:

"A classmate of Ramirez’s, who declined to be identified because of the partisan battle over Kavanaugh’s nomination, said that another student told him about the incident either on the night of the party or in the next day or two. The classmate said that he is “one-hundred-per-cent sure” that he was told at the time that Kavanaugh was the student who exposed himself to Ramirez. He independently recalled many of the same details offered by Ramirez, including that a male student had encouraged Kavanaugh as he exposed himself. The classmate, like Ramirez, recalled that the party took place in a common room on the first floor in Entryway B of Lawrance Hall, during their freshman year. “I’ve known this all along,” he said. “It’s been on my mind all these years when his name came up. It was a big deal.” The story stayed with him, he said, because it was disturbing and seemed outside the bounds of typically acceptable behavior, even during heavy drinking at parties on campus. The classmate said that he had been shocked, but not necessarily surprised, because the social group to which Kavanaugh belonged often drank to excess. He recalled Kavanaugh as “relatively shy” until he drank, at which point he said that Kavanaugh could become “aggressive and even belligerent.”"

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Yup - hello FBI investigation- GSTRING
So, show me where I said there shouldn't be one.



Jesus, I can't even agree with you without you being contrary and angry. I said "yup" - do you know what that means? Not in your phrase book?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

"It's entirely possible that everyone else was so drunk that nobody really remembers what happened either, or that everyone now in current responsible positions doesn't want to admit to attending drunken college or (worse) drunken high school parties. But unlike Bill Cosby's history of rape, what happened with these women allegedly happened IN PUBLIC. There should be SOME corroboration of the events possible. - SIGNY
Everyone?

Everyone present at those two parties. You know what I meant, don't be a dick.



God you're obtuse.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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People drank a lot and it was 30 years ago so memories are likely to be hard to bring back - all true. Unless you had those things happen to you. - GSTRING
Well, I had something similar happen to me - not nearly as traumatic but definitely startling - and I remember with crystal clarity how old I was, where I was, how I got there, how I got home, and who else was there. The only thing that I can imagine that accounts for such hazy recollection BY THE VICTIMS is that they too, were drinking a lot. Maybe took a few hits on the bong? If we can call into question everyone else's memories of the occasion, we can call their into question too.



Yup - absolutely agree. Are you going to get pissed again?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

But I want to hear it all, both sides.- GSTRING
No, you only want to hear ONE side. That's your problem.



Wrong as usual. I want to hear it all just like I said. Lying's for chicken sh*ts and Ruskies. Especially since the Kavanaugh side is embarrassing themselves with almost every comment they make.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yes, it's one our quaint DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS that THUGR keeps harping about. And it's no surprise that it's something you don't believe in.



It was clear from the moment you called her Chrissy that you wouldn't believe anything she had to say. Like I said, no surprise.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You're so un-American, I'd think you were a Russian.



You're so Russian, I'd think you were a Russian.

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Tuesday, September 25, 2018 3:30 PM

THG


Excuse me, a third woman is expected to make accusations of sexual misconduct before Thursdays testimony. I think if the republicans refuse to implore the president to investigate then the women must be believed.

Anyone else care the republicans are already saying it doesn't matter what the women say. That they plan on voting yes regarding Kavanaughs nomination.

T


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Tuesday, September 25, 2018 4:02 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by THG:
Anyone else care the republicans are already saying it doesn't matter what the women say. That they plan on voting yes regarding Kavanaughs nomination.



Nope.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, September 25, 2018 4:39 PM

REAVERFAN


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Originally posted by captaincrunch:

You're so Russian, I'd think you were a Russian.

Touche!

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Tuesday, September 25, 2018 4:40 PM

REAVERFAN


He's guilty as sin. Our pussy-grabbing rapist president doesn't care.

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Tuesday, September 25, 2018 5:47 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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AND HERE WE HAVE GSTRING STICKING HIS HEAD IN THE SAND, as usual. There are too many cites to include them all, so I'll just link the M$M ones that I think GSTRING will find acceptable.- SIGNY

I am so sorry. I asked you to back up your claims with something that has been a simple forum practice for years, cites, poor you. You should know that you really don't get to whine if you don't provide cites.- GSTRING

This has been all so widely reported across so many media outlets that asking me to provide cites is like asking me to show you that the sun rises in the east. If you had a reason for asking for all of these cites, ASIDE FROM wasting my time, I'd sure like to know what it was.

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"Both of these women sound incredibly confused about what happened. The first - FORD- doesn't remember where or (at first) even what year this event happened."" -SIGNY
Cites please -GSTRING

Ford says she doesn’t remember many details of the event, such as how she got home, the exact year it took place, or how the gathering was put together.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/16/17866988/brett-kavan
augh-christine-blasey-ford-washington-post


Those details are on the periphery of the event - she is very certain about what happened and who did it though.- GSTRING

But if SO MANY OTHER details are wrong, how can we be sure that THAT point is correct? Memory is a slippery thing. As SECOND noted PEOPLE ARE EASILY HACKED, and memory is incredibly hackable, especially notable when eyewitnesses are questioned multiple times.

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False Memories

https://www.psychologistworld.com/memory/false-memories-questioning-ey
ewitness-testimony


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The people at the party. according to Ford, were Kavanaugh, Judge, "PJ" Smyth, and Ford herself. Each one (except Ford) has denied that there ever was a party.

Former classmate of Kavanaugh's [Smyth] denies being at party in sexual assault allegation
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/18/politics/pj-smyth-brett-kavanaugh/index
.html


Mark Judge tells Senate he 'has no memory of alleged' incident with Kavanaugh
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/18/politics/mark-judge-brett-kavanaugh-all
egations-senate-judiciary-committee/index.html


Wull, that sure seals it for me! If Brett's long time, close friends don't remember anything like this happening and they can also swear by their great friend's personal integrity and that he would never do anything like this, then I guess he didn't. < snarkasm > You gotta be joking. That's not enough. - GSTRING

It may have to be, because Kavanaugh doesn't have to prove his innocence; Bond has to demonstrate his guilt.

But OOC, since those are the only eyewitnesses available, what would be "enough" for you? Anything?

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Those notes were written AT THE TIME. Maybe Kavanaugh was an exceptionally devious teen who wrote up a false narrative just to provide himself with an alibi 36 years later? In any case, if he was at a specific place and time, HIS notes can be corroborated as well. - SIGNY

Riiiiight - he's going to write: "Finally got Debbie drunk enough to stick my dick in her face! I'm a Yale bad ass!" Jesus Siggy, get a clue.- GSTRING

GSTRING, get a clue. It's one thing to stay silent on an event, it would be another entirely to write a whole fiction about how he was out of state, who he was with, what he did etc. just to cover up one event. And don't forget that whatever he wrote in his notes can also be cross-checked against other evidence.

So what happens to your conviction that Kavanaugh is guilty if his "alibi" turns out to be true?

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Well people are bringing up JUDGE'S drinking, so why not CHRISSY'S? It might account for her HAZY MEMORY.- SIGNY

Really, why to you disrespect her by calling her CHRISSY, all caps? You're like one of those prosecutors that tries to make women feel bad for reporting rape, make them less than some how. It's kind of disgusting, really.- GSTRING

IF YOU HAD LOOKED AT THE YEARBOOK YOU WOULD HAVE REALIZED THAT'S WHAT SHE WAS CALLED BACK THEN. Jeez, you're so fucking sensitive. I called her "Chrissy" to refer to her young yearbook self.

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That's what an FBI investigation would bring out so let's have it.- GSTRING
Quote me where I said there should not be an investigation, because right now you're just LYING about my position. -SIGNY
Show me where I said YOU said there shouldn't be an FBI investigation. Right, so I guess it was you who was lying.- GSTRING

Ok.

Quote:

This is the NYT take on the Ramirez story
The Times had interviewed several dozen people over the past week in an attempt to corroborate her story, and could find no one with firsthand knowledge.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/23/us/politics/brett-kavanaugh-christi
ne-blasey-ford-testify.html


Right - if someone does know they aren't going to stick their neck out or feign loss of memory especially considering how hot this is right now. But there's plenty of buzz in that article to raise suspicions:

"A classmate of Ramirez’s, who declined to be identified because of the partisan battle over Kavanaugh’s nomination, said that another student told him about the incident either on the night of the party or in the next day or two. The classmate said that he is “one-hundred-per-cent sure” that he was told at the time that Kavanaugh was the student who exposed himself to Ramirez. He independently recalled many of the same details offered by Ramirez, including that a male student had encouraged Kavanaugh as he exposed himself. The classmate, like Ramirez, recalled that the party took place in a common room on the first floor in Entryway B of Lawrance Hall, during their freshman year. “I’ve known this all along,” he said. “It’s been on my mind all these years when his name came up. It was a big deal.” The story stayed with him, he said, because it was disturbing and seemed outside the bounds of typically acceptable behavior, even during heavy drinking at parties on campus. The classmate said that he had been shocked, but not necessarily surprised, because the social group to which Kavanaugh belonged often drank to excess. He recalled Kavanaugh as “relatively shy” until he drank, at which point he said that Kavanaugh could become “aggressive and even belligerent.”"

So basically that's called "hearsay" (i.e. gossip) ... someone told him, he didn't see it for himself. But he DOES bring up names of eyewitnesses, and they should be questioned.

God you're obtuse.

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People drank a lot and it was 30 years ago so memories are likely to be hard to bring back - all true. Unless you had those things happen to you. - GSTRING

Well, I had something similar happen to me - not nearly as traumatic but definitely startling - and I remember with crystal clarity how old I was, where I was, how I got there, how I got home, and who else was there. The only thing that I can imagine that accounts for such hazy recollection BY THE VICTIMS is that they too, were drinking a lot. Maybe took a few hits on the bong? If we can call into question everyone else's memories of the occasion, we can call their into question too.- SIGNY
Yup - absolutely agree. Are you going to get pissed again?- GSTRING

Because there's that problem with "false memory". It's very hard to recover a hazy memory without warping it in some way, which is why we would have to rely on the memories of others as well. There are many psychology experiments about exposing a group of people to a staged crime (eg. a "robber" running into the lecture hall and stealing the professor's briefcase/tablet) ... fifty students will remember fifty different things. There will be some things that will be remembered more often (he had a plaid long sleeved shirt and a beard) which are likely to be correct.

Quote:

But I want to hear it all, both sides.- GSTRING
No, you only want to hear ONE side. That's your problem. SIGNY
Wrong as usual. I want to hear it all just like I said. Lying's for chicken sh*ts and Ruskies. Especially since the Kavanaugh side is embarrassing themselves with almost every comment they make.- GSTRING

EXAMPLES AND CITES PLEASE?

Quote:

Yes, it's one our quaint DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS that THUGR keeps harping about. And it's no surprise that it's something you don't believe in. - SIGNY
It was clear from the moment you called her Chrissy that you wouldn't believe anything she had to say. Like I said, no surprise.- GSTRING

It was clear from the moment that you got unnecessarily huffy that your mind snapped shut. But despite your closed mind, it's STILL innocent until proven guilty.

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You're so un-American, I'd think you were a Russian.
You're so Russian, I'd think you were a Russian.

Well then comrade, let us drink together!

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Tuesday, September 25, 2018 7:53 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


T, G and Reaverfan have been 100% convinced of Kavanaugh's guilt from the very beginning.

I'd say that T is convinced strictly because of politics, G is convinced because he's the great white knight that believes anything that any woman says, and Reaverfan is, well... Reaverfan.


At least Reaverfan comes out and calls it like he sees it. There's no false pretense of objectivity coming from him.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, September 25, 2018 8:11 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


There are plausible stories in both directions, altho the first allegation is looking less and less likely because too many details are wrong, plus Kavanaugh has an "alibi".

It's possible that one or both events occurred, and all possible eyewitnesses are running from the event like it was a toxic spill. It's also possible that one or both events are false memories. I'm not sure how I could possibly sort it out based on the information available, so "innocent until proven guilty".

I AM sure, however, that Feinstein is manipulating the process, and IMHO nobody should get to hold an "open ended" investigation. There needs to be a time limit.


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Tuesday, September 25, 2018 8:23 PM

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Originally posted:
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Originally posted:
Fourth Kavanaugh Accuser Comes Forward, Is Speaking to Authorities in Maryland: Report

The floodgates are opening.

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/brett-kavanaugh-fourth-accu
ser-maryland


The only thing left is to guess how long it takes for his name to be withdrawn. I say it happens before the day is done because the republicans are hemorrhaging votes in the mid-terms as long as this continues.

This whole fiasco could cost them the senate. Women aren't going to trust the republicans to pick who fills the open Supreme Court seat. I hope it's to late to get a new nominee vetted until the elections.

Yea...


We are being overrun by Nostradoofus.


Has Lena Done'em gathered her wymmin to lodge these complaints?

Did she and Emily Lindin manage to locate Maryland?

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Tuesday, September 25, 2018 10:26 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I noticed GSTRING ran from this thread like it was a toxic spill.


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Tuesday, September 25, 2018 11:38 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

AND HERE WE HAVE GSTRING STICKING HIS HEAD IN THE SAND, as usual. There are too many cites to include them all, so I'll just link the M$M ones that I think GSTRING will find acceptable.- SIGNY

I am so sorry. I asked you to back up your claims with something that has been a simple forum practice for years, cites, poor you. You should know that you really don't get to whine if you don't provide cites.- GSTRING

This has been all so widely reported across so many media outlets that asking me to provide cites is like asking me to show you that the sun rises in the east. If you had a reason for asking for all of these cites, ASIDE FROM wasting my time, I'd sure like to know what it was.

Quote:

"Both of these women sound incredibly confused about what happened. The first - FORD- doesn't remember where or (at first) even what year this event happened."" -SIGNY
Cites please -GSTRING

Ford says she doesn’t remember many details of the event, such as how she got home, the exact year it took place, or how the gathering was put together.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/16/17866988/brett-kavan
augh-christine-blasey-ford-washington-post


Those details are on the periphery of the event - she is very certain about what happened and who did it though.- GSTRING

But if SO MANY OTHER details are wrong, how can we be sure that THAT point is correct? Memory is a slippery thing. As SECOND noted PEOPLE ARE EASILY HACKED, and memory is incredibly hackable, especially notable when eyewitnesses are questioned multiple times.

Quote:

False Memories

https://www.psychologistworld.com/memory/false-memories-questioning-ey
ewitness-testimony


Quote:

The people at the party. according to Ford, were Kavanaugh, Judge, "PJ" Smyth, and Ford herself. Each one (except Ford) has denied that there ever was a party.

Former classmate of Kavanaugh's [Smyth] denies being at party in sexual assault allegation
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/18/politics/pj-smyth-brett-kavanaugh/index
.html


Mark Judge tells Senate he 'has no memory of alleged' incident with Kavanaugh
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/18/politics/mark-judge-brett-kavanaugh-all
egations-senate-judiciary-committee/index.html


Wull, that sure seals it for me! If Brett's long time, close friends don't remember anything like this happening and they can also swear by their great friend's personal integrity and that he would never do anything like this, then I guess he didn't. < snarkasm > You gotta be joking. That's not enough. - GSTRING

It may have to be, because Kavanaugh doesn't have to prove his innocence; Bond has to demonstrate his guilt.

But OOC, since those are the only eyewitnesses available, what would be "enough" for you? Anything?

Quote:

Those notes were written AT THE TIME. Maybe Kavanaugh was an exceptionally devious teen who wrote up a false narrative just to provide himself with an alibi 36 years later? In any case, if he was at a specific place and time, HIS notes can be corroborated as well. - SIGNY

Riiiiight - he's going to write: "Finally got Debbie drunk enough to stick my dick in her face! I'm a Yale bad ass!" Jesus Siggy, get a clue.- GSTRING

GSTRING, get a clue. It's one thing to stay silent on an event, it would be another entirely to write a whole fiction about how he was out of state, who he was with, what he did etc. just to cover up one event. And don't forget that whatever he wrote in his notes can also be cross-checked against other evidence.

So what happens to your conviction that Kavanaugh is guilty if his "alibi" turns out to be true?

Quote:

Well people are bringing up JUDGE'S drinking, so why not CHRISSY'S? It might account for her HAZY MEMORY.- SIGNY

Really, why to you disrespect her by calling her CHRISSY, all caps? You're like one of those prosecutors that tries to make women feel bad for reporting rape, make them less than some how. It's kind of disgusting, really.- GSTRING

IF YOU HAD LOOKED AT THE YEARBOOK YOU WOULD HAVE REALIZED THAT'S WHAT SHE WAS CALLED BACK THEN. Jeez, you're so fucking sensitive. I called her "Chrissy" to refer to her young yearbook self.

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That's what an FBI investigation would bring out so let's have it.- GSTRING
Quote me where I said there should not be an investigation, because right now you're just LYING about my position. -SIGNY
Show me where I said YOU said there shouldn't be an FBI investigation. Right, so I guess it was you who was lying.- GSTRING

Ok.

Quote:

This is the NYT take on the Ramirez story
The Times had interviewed several dozen people over the past week in an attempt to corroborate her story, and could find no one with firsthand knowledge.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/23/us/politics/brett-kavanaugh-christi
ne-blasey-ford-testify.html


Right - if someone does know they aren't going to stick their neck out or feign loss of memory especially considering how hot this is right now. But there's plenty of buzz in that article to raise suspicions:

"A classmate of Ramirez’s, who declined to be identified because of the partisan battle over Kavanaugh’s nomination, said that another student told him about the incident either on the night of the party or in the next day or two. The classmate said that he is “one-hundred-per-cent sure” that he was told at the time that Kavanaugh was the student who exposed himself to Ramirez. He independently recalled many of the same details offered by Ramirez, including that a male student had encouraged Kavanaugh as he exposed himself. The classmate, like Ramirez, recalled that the party took place in a common room on the first floor in Entryway B of Lawrance Hall, during their freshman year. “I’ve known this all along,” he said. “It’s been on my mind all these years when his name came up. It was a big deal.” The story stayed with him, he said, because it was disturbing and seemed outside the bounds of typically acceptable behavior, even during heavy drinking at parties on campus. The classmate said that he had been shocked, but not necessarily surprised, because the social group to which Kavanaugh belonged often drank to excess. He recalled Kavanaugh as “relatively shy” until he drank, at which point he said that Kavanaugh could become “aggressive and even belligerent.”"

So basically that's called "hearsay" (i.e. gossip) ... someone told him, he didn't see it for himself. But he DOES bring up names of eyewitnesses, and they should be questioned.

God you're obtuse.

Quote:

People drank a lot and it was 30 years ago so memories are likely to be hard to bring back - all true. Unless you had those things happen to you. - GSTRING

Well, I had something similar happen to me - not nearly as traumatic but definitely startling - and I remember with crystal clarity how old I was, where I was, how I got there, how I got home, and who else was there. The only thing that I can imagine that accounts for such hazy recollection BY THE VICTIMS is that they too, were drinking a lot. Maybe took a few hits on the bong? If we can call into question everyone else's memories of the occasion, we can call their into question too.- SIGNY
Yup - absolutely agree. Are you going to get pissed again?- GSTRING

Because there's that problem with "false memory". It's very hard to recover a hazy memory without warping it in some way, which is why we would have to rely on the memories of others as well. There are many psychology experiments about exposing a group of people to a staged crime (eg. a "robber" running into the lecture hall and stealing the professor's briefcase/tablet) ... fifty students will remember fifty different things. There will be some things that will be remembered more often (he had a plaid long sleeved shirt and a beard) which are likely to be correct.

Quote:

But I want to hear it all, both sides.- GSTRING
No, you only want to hear ONE side. That's your problem. SIGNY
Wrong as usual. I want to hear it all just like I said. Lying's for chicken sh*ts and Ruskies. Especially since the Kavanaugh side is embarrassing themselves with almost every comment they make.- GSTRING

EXAMPLES AND CITES PLEASE?

Quote:

Yes, it's one our quaint DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS that THUGR keeps harping about. And it's no surprise that it's something you don't believe in. - SIGNY
It was clear from the moment you called her Chrissy that you wouldn't believe anything she had to say. Like I said, no surprise.- GSTRING

It was clear from the moment that you got unnecessarily huffy that your mind snapped shut. But despite your closed mind, it's STILL innocent until proven guilty.

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You're so un-American, I'd think you were a Russian.
You're so Russian, I'd think you were a Russian.

Well then comrade, let us drink together!

Are you refusing to show G-string/CC/pizmobeach that Sol rises in the East, at least in some neighborhoods?
Doesn't this refusal prove that you, Siggy, are a Troll?
And that you live in Russia because you're not sure which direction Sol rises in America? Because, yanno, Moscow and New Amsterdam are opposite directions from GMT, the Prime Meridian.

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Wednesday, September 26, 2018 6:35 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Yes, I came across that bit of news on MSNBC.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
The first source of the New Yorker bombshell wasn’t Deborah Ramirez. It was Yale alumni.
The New Yorker’s Jane Mayer said she first saw Yale University alumni emails about Brett Kavanaugh’s alleged sexual misconduct in July.
https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2018/9/24/1789574
0/new-yorker-jane-mayer-yale-university-emails-brett-kavanaugh-deborah-ramirez


"Mayer said she and Farrow saw emails sent between Yale alums discussing the incident back in July, before Kavanaugh’s first accuser Christine Blasey Ford went public with her accusations of Kavanaugh sexually assaulting her when the two were in high school."

LOL so much for that "hit job by Dems" narrative.


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Wednesday, September 26, 2018 10:24 AM

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There are more than 4 sources that shows Dr. Ford spoke of this long before Kavanaugh's nomination. This is not going to be good for him Thursday regardless of the outcome.

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Wednesday, September 26, 2018 10:31 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

"Mayer said she and Farrow saw emails sent between Yale alums discussing the incident back in July, before Kavanaugh’s first accuser Christine Blasey Ford went public with her accusations of Kavanaugh sexually assaulting her when the two were in high school."
People were "discussing the incident"?
So what?
It's possible that people were saying ... "I heard a story but it's not true because Kavanaugh was out with me that night"
It's possible that people were saying ... "I was there and it's absolutely true"

You have no idea WHAT they were emailing each other, but on the basis that people were "discussing" something you take that a proof of guilt?

Here's an example of how that might work on you: We were discussing YOU the other night. A LOT of us were. Yanno, since SO MANY people were talking about you, you must have done something wrong. Maybe you should be locked up in a psych ward?
See how that works?
Not fair, is it?

a) We have no idea WHAT they were "discussing" and
b) Even if we did, it's "hearsay" ... gossip. Perhaps something to be followed up on, but not admissible in court.

What you and the rest of the douchebags here are displaying is called "RUSH TO JUDGMENT". Look it up.

So hang back and keep an open mind. Maybe something will turn up besides allegation. Remember: an "allegation" is an "accusation without proof". So far, all WE have are accusations; nobody else has corroborated those accusations even tho they've been asked. And EVEN IF Kavanaugh is guilty and somehow makes it on to the bench and evidence turns up later, he can always be impeached. So dial down the hysteria and let the process work. It takes time, it's slow and sometimes imperfect, but it's better than lynching someone on the basis of gossip.


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Confirmation first, then impeach later, Signym? I think you have the cart before the horse.

Our nation is often split on when and whether to grant someone a second chance. And the idea of forgiveness in this particular case cannot be divorced from its political context.

We’re generally a very unforgiving society, and the people who are most in favor of this being ignored, coincidentally, are politically the people who would be harshest on the 17-year-old black kid caught with drugs — some crime that didn’t hurt anybody. If this signaled a change in our society’s philosophy toward people who did bad things when they were 17, I’d say that’s great. But I don’t think it is. I think this is situational.

There is a way to determine that truth in this situation.

“I think the only instrument we have that is of any use to deciding whether something happened or not, flawed as it is, is a jury trial,” said Mark Bennett, a Houston criminal attorney. “That’s why we have jury trials: Because accusations can ruin people’s future lives, and maybe should if they’re true, but the only way we have as a society to figure that out is a jury trial.”

And while most 35-year-old claims of assault would not be prosecuted, Maryland has no statute of limitations for felony sex crimes. Last week, the police chief in Montgomery County, where the alleged incident took place, said he would open an investigation if Ford pressed charges.

Any criminal investigation would likely not affect the timeline of Kavanaugh’s confirmation.

www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Kavanaugh-
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So hang back and keep an open mind. Maybe something will turn up besides allegation. Remember: an "allegation" is an "accusation without proof". So far, all WE have are accusations; nobody else has corroborated those accusations even tho they've been asked. And EVEN IF Kavanaugh is guilty and somehow makes it on to the bench and evidence turns up later, he can always be impeached. So dial down the hysteria and let the process work. It takes time, it's slow and sometimes imperfect, but it's better than lynching someone on the basis of gossip.

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Wednesday, September 26, 2018 10:57 AM

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Well, as a professional paid Russian troll, Siggy is obligated to say stupid shit. That's what they do.

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Wednesday, September 26, 2018 10:58 AM

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Our nation is often split on when and whether to grant someone a second chance.
In the case of Kavanaugh, we're not talking about "second chances" we're talking about a FIRST chance: The chance not to be railroaded.

That is the chance that everyone should get.

The fact that you think of this as a "second" chance is peculiar, SECOND, and indicates that you've already reached a conclusion.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Our nation is often split on when and whether to grant someone a second chance.
In the case of Kavanaugh, we're not talking about "second chances" we're talking about FIRST chances: The chance not to be railroaded.

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No need to confirm him first then impeach later. Most 35-year-old claims of assault would not be prosecuted, but Maryland has no statute of limitations for felony sex crimes. Last week, the police chief in Montgomery County, where the alleged incident took place, said he would open an investigation if Ford pressed charges. In the meantime, Trump could find somebody else, somebody not Kavanaugh. There are many choices that are not controversial and far more qualified for a lifetime job then Kavanaugh, except they never wrote that a President cannot be indicted, cannot be subpoenaed, which are two of Kavanaugh's most outstanding qualities, along with the mystery of who paid for his multi-million dollar house.

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Wednesday, September 26, 2018 11:09 AM

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No need to confirm him first then impeach later. Most 35-year-old claims of assault would not be prosecuted, but Maryland has no statute of limitations for felony sex crimes. Last week, the police chief in Montgomery County, where the alleged incident took place, said he would open an investigation if Ford pressed charges.
Yes, I got that. But why did you frame this as a "second" chance? This quote seems not to have anything to do with that, unless you're referring to Ford having a "second" chance at a criminal investigation.

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If what he says is true the shit is about the hit the fan. And according to past statements this will come out before the Thursday hearing. Since this is Wednesday could that be today?


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Wednesday, September 26, 2018 11:19 AM

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Quote:

No need to confirm him first then impeach later. Most 35-year-old claims of assault would not be prosecuted, but Maryland has no statute of limitations for felony sex crimes. Last week, the police chief in Montgomery County, where the alleged incident took place, said he would open an investigation if Ford pressed charges.
Yes, I got that. But why did you frame this as a "second" chance? This quote seems not to have anything to do with that, unless you're referring to Ford having a "second" chance at a criminal investigation.

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Trump had dozens of choices on a list given to him and he picked Kavanaugh for the obvious reason that Presidents cannot be indicted or subpoenaed. Kavanaugh does not own that job, quite yet, so there is no obligations that he be confirmed. Trump can go back to the list for somebody higher on the list, but who does not have a mystery benefactor who paid for his multi-million dollar house.

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Quote:

"Mayer said she and Farrow saw emails sent between Yale alums discussing the incident back in July, before Kavanaugh’s first accuser Christine Blasey Ford went public with her accusations of Kavanaugh sexually assaulting her when the two were in high school."
People were "discussing the incident"?
So what?
It's possible that people were saying ... "I heard a story but it's not true because Kavanaugh was out with me that night"
It's possible that people were saying ... "I was there and it's absolutely true"

You have no idea WHAT they were emailing each other, but on the basis that people were "discussing" something you take that a proof of guilt?



Once again Siggy making sh*t up. Who here said anything about guilt besides RF? You and and Jack, that's who.

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Here's an example of how that might work on you: We were discussing YOU the other night. A LOT of us were. Yanno, since SO MANY people were talking about you, you must have done something wrong. Maybe you should be locked up in a psych ward?
See how that works?
Not fair, is it?

a) We have no idea WHAT they were "discussing" and
b) Even if we did, it's "hearsay" ... gossip. Perhaps something to be followed up on, but not admissible in court.



That's the lamest attempted parallel made by a forum member this year. Of course they were talking about the sexual assault thing. "Did you see the dress she was wearing? I know! Scandalous!"
Use 1/5th of your brain - basic deduction is free.

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What you and the rest of the douchebags here are displaying is called "RUSH TO JUDGMENT". Look it up.



I did look it up - there was a picture of you standing next to 11 old whites dudes trying to jam the Kavanaugh confirmation through. All of you looked tired and scared.

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lol

You people are ridiculous.

I'm glad that nobody in real life is as goofy as you are.




Looks like their is going to be a third women coming forward. Oops...Michael Avenatti appears to be her lawyer. Do you ever get tired of looking like a moron Jack?

It's also looking as though the republicans knew of this shit for a while now and tried to run this nomination through before it could be stopped. Women must be besides themselves over this.

I feel as though this nomination is over.

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All the Senate Republicans act like Kavanaugh is the boss's nephew. As if they will lose favor with the boss if they don't hire the nephew. But it is a job interview, not a trial. The Senate Republicans have more than enough to reject Kavanaugh, but only if big boss Trump will stop pretending this is about his unemployed blood relative getting his first job.

It will look pretty bad when the Kavanaugh confirmation is 51 to 49, especially when Trump's previous choice was only confirmed by a vote of 54–45. All Senate Republicans present, along with Democratic Senators in states that voted heavily for Trump, Manchin (D-WV), Heitkamp (D-ND), and Donnelly (D-IN), voted to confirm Gorsuch. Johnny Isakson (R-GA) was absent for the vote because he was recovering from back surgery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Gorsuch_Supreme_Court_nomination#Co
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Wednesday, September 26, 2018 12:10 PM

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It should be said the third victim to come forward has signed an affidavit exposing herself to perjury charges. She knowingly did this. The ball is in the republicans court.

It's over...

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It should be said the third victim to come forward has signed an affidavit exposing herself to perjury charges. She knowingly did this. The ball is in the republicans court.

It's over...

T


If there wasn't an election in November, the Senate Republicans would not care about a third victim. There could be thirty victims and those Senators would immediately confirm Kavanaugh. But confirming Mr K before the election could reduce the number of votes for Republican candidates. The Senators are considering that versus displeasing their party's leader, Donald J Trump. He wants Kavanaugh because, as a justice, Mr K could be a reliable vote against subpoenaing and indicting a President.

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Wednesday, September 26, 2018 12:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
It should be said the third victim to come forward has signed an affidavit exposing herself to perjury charges. She knowingly did this. The ball is in the republicans court.

It's over...


If there wasn't an election in November, the Senate Republicans would not care about a third victim. There could be thirty victims and those Senators would immediately confirm Kavanaugh. But voting before the election could reduce the number of votes for Republicans. The Senators are considering that versus displeasing their party's leader, Donald J Trump.




I've heard it said that further moving the Supreme Court to the right is more important than losing a few election cycles. It would explain a move by the Republicans to confirm him despite the allegations. Their problem is that all republicans have to sign up for that. Including those who would surely lose their jobs over that.

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Trump is digging in. Great news for democrats.

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Wednesday, September 26, 2018 1:02 PM

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New accuser says Kavanaugh targeted girls for sexual assault
https://www.axios.com/third-woman-sexual-assault-allegations-kavanauag
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"\11. During the years 1981-82, I became aware of efforts by Mark Judge, Brett Kavanaugh and others to "spike" the "punch" at house parties I attended with drugs and/or grain alcohol so as to cause girls to lose their inhibitions and their ability to say "No." This caused me to make an effort to purposely avoid the "punch" at these parties. I witnessed efforts by Mark Judge, Brett Kavanaugh and others to "target" particular girls so they could be taken advantage of; it was usually a girl that was especially vulnerable because she was alone at the party or shy.

\12. I also witnessed efforts by Mark Judge, Brett Kavanaugh and others to cause girls to become inebriated and disoriented so they could then be "gang raped" in a side room or bedroom by a "train" of numerous boys. I have a firm recollection of seeing boys lined up outside rooms at many of these parties waiting for their "turn" with a girl inside the room. These boys included Mark Judge and Brett Kavanaugh.

\13. In approximately 1982, I became the victim of one of these "gang" or "train" rapes where Mark Judge and Brett Kavanaugh were present. Shortly after the incident, I shared what had transpired with at least two other people. During the incident, I was incapacitated without my consent and unable to fight off the boys raping me. I believe I was drugged using Quaaludes or something similar placed in what I was drinking.

\14. I am aware of other witnesses that can attest to the truthfulness of each of the statements above.

I declare, under penalty of perjury and under the laws of the United States of America, that the foregoing is true and correct. I have executed this declaration on September 25, 2018."

This is what Republicans love and stand for.

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Wednesday, September 26, 2018 1:36 PM

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So despite knowing what was going on, Swetnick continued to attend these "house parties", and her only response to the problem was to "avoid the punch".

Well, since she seems to have a firm recollection of events, and attended (presumably) numerous "house parties" she should be familiar with the cast of characters and able to provide testimony that is specific enough to be corroborated ... names, dates, places.

Names especially, besides hers, Judge's, and Kavanaugh's. Names of victims. Names of suspects. Names of potential witnesses.

I'll be interested to see what happens.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Names especially, besides hers, Judge's, and Kavanaugh's. Names of victims. Names of suspects. Names of potential witnesses.

I'll be interested to see what happens.

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

I'd be interested in seeing who, besides Kavanaugh, was on Trump's list of Supreme Court justices. There is nothing stopping Trump from withdrawing Kavanaugh and submitting another. Trump does not owe Kavanaugh a job, since he can return to his previous judgeship. That position is his, not the Supreme Court position.

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Quote:

Originally posted by SECOND:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Names especially, besides hers, Judge's, and Kavanaugh's. Names of victims. Names of suspects. Names of potential witnesses.

I'll be interested to see what happens.

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

I'd be interested in seeing who, besides Kavanaugh, was on Trump's list of Supreme Court justices. There is nothing stopping Trump from withdrawing Kavanaugh and submitting another. Trump does not owe Kavanaugh a job, since he can return to his previous judgeship. That position is his, not the Supreme Court position.



The problem is that if the republicans lose the senate then only someone down the middle of the road will get through and there's no legit way to vet a new pick before then.

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Kavanaugh's girlfriend's recollections:


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The problem is that if the republicans lose the senate then only someone down the middle of the road will get through and there's no legit way to vet a new pick before then.

T


The Senate Majority leader is feeling out just how stupid voters and GOP Senators are. With enough stupidity, Mitch could have had a reverse lynching, where he quickly and unjustly raises Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court and to hell with the consequences. He had planned for a vote last Monday, but events moved fast and he moved too slow. That's what happens when you have a one vote majority, but two of your Senators have minds of their own. Remember the Obamacare repeal vote was killed by John McCain, Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski. Collins and Murkowski might do it again to Kavanaugh and Mitch McConnell.

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Trump's press conference was the most bizarre Gish gallop I've ever seen.

It's frightening that such an idiot could ever be president.

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Trump's press conference was the most bizarre Gish gallop I've ever seen.

It's frightening that such an idiot could ever be president.



Yep and I have an observation. In a quarter to a third of his answers he contradicts himself. In the same sentence. I wish the press would track when he does this. It's proof he just rambles on without a clear understanding of what he's talking about.

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