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Thursday, October 27, 2022 10:28 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Yeah, but from what I gather he's not wrong about China's economy doing a nose dive.

If anything here and in Europe were stable I wouldn't be as concerned about that as I am right now.

It might be a long winter... or years.

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Friday, October 28, 2022 4:29 AM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yeah, but from what I gather he's not wrong about China's economy doing a nose dive.

If anything here and in Europe were stable I wouldn't be as concerned about that as I am right now.

It might be a long winter... or years.

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Those YT videos took so long to load I gave up on them. I hope to get back to them later, when they load faster.

But FWiW ... who cares about the Chinese economy, or their population bust?

The Chinese did a number of stupid things with their economy that won't affect us negatively when it bites them in the ass. I have no respect for their "socialism with Chinese characteristics" or whatever the fuck they call it.

They made a deal with the devil. Two devils, in fact. Three, if I think about it.
Their firsr devil was creating prosperity in return for authoritarianism. "The clever leader fills the people's bellies while emptying their minds" according to an old Chinese proverb. I think this goes back to Tienanmen, when the leadership realized that they needed to create jobs and boost living standards in order to subvert revolt. Also, they needed to redirect people's minds towards getting rich, undermining the social order.

The second devil was deciding on the easy way out (something the Chinese have done for 30 years): They thought they could develop the Japanese/ South Korean way: Start by selling cheap plastic junk to western markets and climb up the value ladder, encourge western investments. The problems with that is that it warps their economy around exporting to western markets, and doesn't develop internal markets. When the American market went bust in 2008 they realized the error of their ways and tried to integrate into the EU market instead. Also, they're trying to utilize their productive capacity in their make-work project called the Belt and Road. So now they have a boatload of depreciating foreign reserves, and production geared towards markets that don't exist.

I guess their third devil is financialism. They tried to stimulate their internal market by loosening money supply. but all that did was create a class of ultra-wealthy speculators.

How does that affecr us? We depend on them for basics like raw industrial chemicals and pharma and steel. The rest of the crap we could do without for a while. But if they're desperate for a market they might drop their prices. The only thing we have to worry about is whether they will continue to accept the dollar.

For theur sake, I hope the Chinese eventually sort out their economy.


For our sake I hope we sort out ours.

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Friday, October 28, 2022 8:36 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Hey... In my mind, China is the real threat. Not Russia. I'm no fan of China.

Here's one thing that China is more than capable of that Russia is not...

How about we tank our own economy by pretending that it's already tanked (and sacrificing the lives and livelihood of a majority of our citizens while we're at it) just to financially take down America and the rest of the Western world when they're at their weakest point they've ever been?

I don't even want to sift through videos to find the ones that explain why China's collapse is going to hurt the rest of the world because I don't want to go down that blackpill road today, but to quote the GWB Administration, they're too big to fail. (Which is OUR fault).


... And they've also got a ton of blackmail info on Tik Tok users... Particularly Generation Zed. How many things do you think they've uploaded collectively as kids and teenagers (attached to ALL of their personal information on their phones) that they might do literally anything to keep from being put out there about them when they're adults?

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Friday, October 28, 2022 1:55 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hey... In my mind, China is the real threat. Not Russia. I'm no fan of China.

Here's one thing that China is more than capable of that Russia is not...

How about we tank our own economy by pretending that it's already tanked (and sacrificing the lives and livelihood of a majority of our citizens while we're at it) just to financially take down America and the rest of the Western world when they're at their weakest point they've ever been?

I don't even want to sift through videos to find the ones that explain why China's collapse is going to hurt the rest of the world because I don't want to go down that blackpill road today, but to quote the GWB Administration, they're too big to fail. (Which is OUR fault).


... And they've also got a ton of blackmail info on Tik Tok users... Particularly Generation Zed. How many things do you think they've uploaded collectively as kids and teenagers (attached to ALL of their personal information on their phones) that they might do literally anything to keep from being put out there about them when they're adults?

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China can only hurt us by failing to export critical commodities and materials. Whatever happens to their stock markets and banks and real estate speculators doesn't, insofar as I know, affect their industrial output bc half of their industries and ALL of their critical industries are state-owned enterprises (SOEs), an they just chunk out whatever they're told to chunk out.

What China can do is PRETEND like their industrial capacity is weak. But in reality, since their economy and political stability still depends on exports (bc they have relative overproductive capacity and only so many infrastructure projects to asborb it) they will still have to sell something to somebody. They've tied their development to being an export economy and they're stuck with it for the time being.

But, black-pill me all you want 'cause I'm not seeing a problem (except industrial chemicals and steel, which take huge investment and a lot of time to re-create elsewhere.) but maybe I'm missing something.

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Friday, October 28, 2022 11:41 PM

SIGNYM

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Here SIX, I thought you might find this interesting.



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Saturday, October 29, 2022 12:00 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hey... In my mind, China is the real threat. Not Russia. I'm no fan of China.

Here's one thing that China is more than capable of that Russia is not...

How about we tank our own economy by pretending that it's already tanked (and sacrificing the lives and livelihood of a majority of our citizens while we're at it) just to financially take down America and the rest of the Western world when they're at their weakest point they've ever been?

I don't even want to sift through videos to find the ones that explain why China's collapse is going to hurt the rest of the world because I don't want to go down that blackpill road today, but to quote the GWB Administration, they're too big to fail. (Which is OUR fault).


... And they've also got a ton of blackmail info on Tik Tok users... Particularly Generation Zed. How many things do you think they've uploaded collectively as kids and teenagers (attached to ALL of their personal information on their phones) that they might do literally anything to keep from being put out there about them when they're adults?

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China can only hurt us by failing to export critical commodities and materials. Whatever happens to their stock markets and banks and real estate speculators doesn't, insofar as I know, affect their industrial output bc half of their industries and ALL of their critical industries are state-owned enterprises (SOEs), an they just chunk out whatever they're told to chunk out.

What China can do is PRETEND like their industrial capacity is weak. But in reality, since their economy and political stability still depends on exports (bc they have relative overproductive capacity and only so many infrastructure projects to asborb it) they will still have to sell something to somebody. They've tied their development to being an export economy and they're stuck with it for the time being.

But, black-pill me all you want 'cause I'm not seeing a problem (except industrial chemicals and steel, which take huge investment and a lot of time to re-create elsewhere.) but maybe I'm missing something.

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All I've got to say is look at how the bullshit war between Russia and Ukraine made the price of fertilizer skyrocket worldwide.

Sure. It's a damn shame my old man had to pay twice as much this year to fertilize his lawn, but with gas prices already effecting the prices of food, the fertilizers made them go even higher.

We've been globalizing for decades and we'd Six Sigma'd the shit out of everything we could Six Sigma. China played a huge role in that.

We're running out of 3rd world countries to exploit, and if China isn't making our cheap T-Shirts anymore, expect a cheap T-shirt at WalMart to retail for $50.

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Saturday, October 29, 2022 2:09 PM

SIGNYM

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I had a nice thought-out post all ready but it got lost in the ether.

Anyway, I looked up Chinese exports on various online lists
https://www.tj-chinafreight.com/what-does-china-export/

and what I found is that IMHO a lot of what they export can be sourced from other lower-wage nations (textiles, plastic Walmart crap etc) or can be done without for quite a while (the endless flood of smart phones, TVs and kitchen gadgets/appliances) or at reduced levels (car parts, hand and power tools etc)

What I find more problematic are the parts or chemicals that we would need if we wanted or needed to re-industrialize, and pharmabceuticals and chemicals that we need on an ongoing basis.

I know I mentioned this before, but I became highly aware of china's industrial-chemical maufacturing when I was working. We had to analyze all kinds of chemicals for their air pollution potential, from housepaints to industrial adhesives to pesticides to cleaning products to automative/industrial maintenance coatings ... and in order to do that, we had to ID what was in them and then measure how much of each compound by comparison to a solution of known concentration. so we had to order the chemicals, and whether it was texanol or IBPC or acrylic adhesive or polyfluorinated surfactant or what-have-you, 95 times out of 100 it was sourced from China and the other 5 times it came from Germany (BASF, Merck etc).

If I had been in pharmaceutics it would prolly have been the same.

Chemical manufacturing is a dirty, polluting process and we were all too happy to offhsore that to China, with its lax environmental regulations.

So IMHO it won't be consumer products that will pinch ... much. It will be some unlooked-for item: lithium; industrial machine parts; solar panels; resins specialty and pharmacuetical chemicals; phosphate fertilizer; steel ... things that will be hard (chemicals etc) or impossible (lithium, phosphate) to replace.

The WH is making a big push to throttle Chinese IC manufacturing, so that will be the first pinchpoint. Which I think we can handle.

But if our fearless leaders push this to a general trade emabargo against China - or China decides to shut off the flow of certain goods - we will find ourselves hurting for really basic stuff. As usual, I don't believe our fearless leaders have thought this through, otherwise they would have hardened our economy against external shocks BEFORE they started shooting (economically, financially) at Russia and China.



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Monday, October 31, 2022 1:57 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Biden Launches a Full-Blown Economic War on China, It Will Backfire
The US thinks it can block microchip technology from China. It won't and blowbacks are everywhere.

Mish
Oct 28, 2022


Microchip Warfare

Turning the Screws

*Financial Times: How the US chip export controls have turned the screws on China
*The Conversation: Clampdown on chip exports is the most consequential US move against China yet
*The Atlantic: Why Biden’s Block on Chips to China Is a Big Deal

*Links can be found in original article

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Please consider How Companies Are Dealing with US Restrictions on Chip Exports to China

The U.S. Commerce Department announced a series of new trade restrictions earlier this month that banned the export of some computer processing chips to China.

The restrictions affect not only U.S. businesses selling to China, but also any company whose products contain American chip technology. The U.S. government action has many companies considering how to move forward under the new rules.

Numerous American technology companies doing major business with China are facing possible severe damage to their profits. Other companies that manufacture technology products in China are having to withdraw U.S. employees because the ban also bars "U.S. persons" from supporting technology covered by the ban.

James Lewis is a senior vice president and director of the Strategic Technologies Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington D.C. He told VOA the new restrictions seem to be "reshaping the market."

"The [South] Koreans, the Taiwanese and some American companies are really nervous about it,” Lewis said. “I mean, everyone's asking, 'What can I still sell to China?' And in some cases, the answer is 'nothing,'" he added.

In Britain’s Financial Times newspaper, U.S. national editor and columnist Edward Luce wrote that "Joe Biden this month launched a full-blown economic war on China."

So far, chip companies have reacted carefully to the ban. While recognizing the government's concerns, they have noted they were not given a chance to discuss the policy with U.S. officials before it was announced.

Call Them the Biden-Trump Tariffs Now

The Wall Street Journal comments Call Them the Biden-Trump Tariffs Now

President Biden has rolled back some of Donald Trump’s destructive tariffs, but not enough, and they’re still doing economic harm. New analyses of Mr. Trump’s Section 232 steel and aluminum tariffs show how consumers and manufacturers are still paying for the border taxes that benefit only a few companies.

A study by Harbor Aluminum for the Beer Institute finds that the 10% tariff on imported aluminum cost U.S. beverage manufacturers $1.7 billion from March 2018 through August 2022. About 93% of the $1.7 billion has been pocketed by domestic aluminum producers and smelters in the U.S. and Canada. Only $120 million has gone to the U.S. government.

Two parts to the question: Since tariffs are levied by the government, where is the money going?

And, has that money gone into new aluminum production? Or has it simply gone to stock buybacks?

Quote:

While Biden relaxed some tariffs on China, the chip export ban is a sharp escalation in an economic war with China.

According to the Financial Times, China accounts for 33 per cent of sales at Applied Materials, 27 per cent at Intel and 31 per cent at Lam Research.

President Biden unequivocally blocked China’s access to high-end computer chips but how long can that last?

Blowbacks Everywhere
Inflationary Headwinds

De-globalization and decarbonization are both very inflationary.

Both parties seem OK with the former. Decarbonization by the US and EU Left greatly adds to the mess.

No Man's Land

Weaponizing currency reserves and diplomats on top of this is madness. But's that's where we are.


https://mishtalk.com/economics/biden-launches-a-full-blown-economic-wa
r-on-china-it-will-backfire


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Tuesday, November 1, 2022 4:03 AM

SIGNYM

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"Dangerous Escalation": US To Deploy Six Nuclear-Capable B-52 Bombers To Australia

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Friday, November 4, 2022 6:36 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:

China to 'welcome the Taliban back' in bid to extend Belt and Road into Afghanistan

China plans to link Afghanistan to the Belt and Road Initiative as the withdrawal of NATO forces from the country clears the way for Beijing’s return to one of the ancient Silk Road nations.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-to-welcome-the-taliban-back
-in-bid-to-extend-belt-and-road-into-afghanistan/ar-AAKJErZ?ocid=msedgntp





China is said to have a long term strategy but without friends it will fail. So far they've pissed off all their neighbors and many other countries around the globe. They've tipped their hand and exposed what their long term strategy is, and it isn't good for anyone. It's been amazing to see how stupidly they've used aggression against everyone, even Russia. This is not a winning strategy.

It shows a complete lack of understanding of how to use diplomacy to further their policies. In other words; they have no experience doing so. This applies to their military as well.

They have no experience waging a battle much less a war. And since each branch of their military must go through the central government to get instructions, they lack the capability of launching a multiprong attack that isn't planned out well in advance. In other words, successfully using a 3 dimensional approach to fighting.

I'm still waiting on a typhoon to wipe out their manufactured islands.

tick tock

T





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Friday, November 4, 2022 8:07 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Sure Ted. Underestimate China.

You've been wrong about everything else you've ever posted here. What could possibly go wrong?

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Monday, November 14, 2022 1:08 PM

THG

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Tuesday, November 15, 2022 1:57 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


We need a guy in a Mick Dundee voice saying that's not a riot

Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Riots break out in China over covid restrictions.





mostly peaceful Riots of course like the Americans who almost Burnt down and Looted and Murdered their own city?










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Monday, November 21, 2022 2:43 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

That's what happens when you outsource critical industries in the name of profit.

tic tac





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Wednesday, November 23, 2022 8:09 PM

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Monday, November 28, 2022 8:32 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

That's what happens when you outsource critical industries in the name of profit.

tic tac



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Sunday, December 4, 2022 11:38 AM

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Sunday, December 4, 2022 3:08 PM

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Apple Quickening Pace Of Moving Production Out Of China: Report

Following recent protests at Apple Inc's (NASDAQ: AAPL) iPhone factory in China over strict COVID rules and unpaid dues, the company is quickening the pace of its plans to move production out of the country.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/apple-quickening-pace-of-moving-p
roduction-out-of-china-report/ar-AA14TtUI?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=7594bb6bb9ab492faf786ceba6d380dc




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Monday, December 5, 2022 8:14 PM

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Rogue Superpower: China Is A Global Pariah and Shows No Remorse

China is being wracked by popular protests on a scale not seen since Tiananmen Square. But how much have the demonstrations made the regime rethink its autocratic ways? So far, the answer seems to be: Not much.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/rogue-superpower-china-is-a-globa
l-pariah-and-shows-no-remorse/ar-AA14Wawe?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5c4f072a2098439c9a9f414f63e5548a




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Tuesday, December 6, 2022 11:25 AM

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Tuesday, December 6, 2022 1:01 PM

THG


China’s economic outlook has ‘darkened noticeably,’ IMF’s Gopinath says

A downgrade of the Chinese economy is the biggest change to the global economic outlook since October, said Gita Gopinath, the No. 2 official at the International Monetary Fund on Tuesday.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/china-s-economic-outlook-has-d
arkened-noticeably-imf-s-gopinath-says/ar-AA14Yi9L?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=0372661b8c8e45b4b256dab493326cbb




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Thursday, December 8, 2022 2:52 PM

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China Seeks to Tone Down Assertive Diplomacy That ‘Backfired,’ US Official Says

(Bloomberg) -- China’s assertive diplomacy in recent years has “backfired” and Beijing now seeks a more predictable relationship with the US as the country’s economy slows and the government tries to loosen its strict Covid-19 curbs, the Biden administration’s top Asia official said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/china-seeks-to-tone-down-asserti
ve-diplomacy-that-backfired-us-official-says/ar-AA153xxv?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f70c354640ac48e98fa84c583728ad46




Cool, now if we could only trust em.

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Wednesday, December 21, 2022 6:34 PM

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WHO "very concerned" about reports of severe COVID in China

GENEVA (AP) — The head of the World Health Organization said the agency is “very concerned” about rising reports of severe coronavirus disease across China after the country largely abandoned its “zero COVID” policy, warning that its lagging vaccination rate could result in large numbers of vulnerable people getting infected.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/who-very-concerned-about-
reports-of-severe-covid-in-china/ar-AA15xg2I?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=ba31e83096c34ef19568e760ffbcbb96




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Wednesday, December 21, 2022 8:24 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Fuck the WHO


Get your heart checked out, mudblood. It's a ticking time bomb with all that Fauci sauce in your veins.

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Monday, January 2, 2023 12:10 PM

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Best to be safe. Or as Regan would say, trust but verify.

T







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Monday, January 2, 2023 1:17 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


How many simultaneous wars are going to satisfy your war boner, Ted?

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Monday, January 2, 2023 1:27 PM

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Dr. Gottlieb: China could have successive waves of infection now






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Saturday, January 21, 2023 10:12 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


That would be great news if the Democrats in cahoots with the NeoCons hadn't made our economy so dependent on Chinese labor, Ted.

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Sunday, January 22, 2023 9:59 AM

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China logs nearly 13,000 Covid deaths in a week

https://news.yahoo.com/china-logs-nearly-13-000-094158640.html



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Sunday, January 22, 2023 11:56 AM

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China logs nearly 13,000 Covid deaths in a week

https://news.yahoo.com/china-logs-nearly-13-000-094158640.html



T




And it could be ZERO or it could be 13 Million in a week.

Why would you believe anything that China has to say about anything, Ted?


I mean, I know you would never admit that our own media lies to us every day, Ted, but are you really so stupid that you would believe anything that China "reports" and then is filtered through our media?

Get fucked, idiot.

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Monday, January 23, 2023 9:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

That's what happens when you outsource critical industries in the name of profit.

tic tac



Opinion: India is on the cusp of replacing China in so many ways

Asia is hurtling toward a tectonic power shift headlined by ever more rapid changes in population growth. The West, especially the United States, better be prepared.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/opinion-india-is-on-the-cusp-of-r
eplacing-china-in-so-many-ways/ar-AA16FATE?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=cd147f7c1bb1403494910a901426327c




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Monday, January 23, 2023 10:09 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Tell your grandma that nobody from the IRS is calling her with an Indian voice and threatening her to spend the rest of her life in prison if she doesn't send them three $500 Apple gift cards.

Fuck India.

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Monday, January 23, 2023 10:23 PM

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They told us India was supposed to be the worlds number 1 Superpower by 2020 but instead it becomes a Super-Poo'er

and yet like China and other Africa and Middle East countries India continues to buy and trade with Russia, ignoring sanctions

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replacing China in so many ways



So true, Drug Running, Opium...before back in the old Empire days you could go to China, now you go up to the mystic Hindu Mountains in India and smoke shit

Chinese Sweat shops...China is brutally cruel but it changes slowly so only in India can you see mass child labor and people shovling up dirt from a floor and putting it in your tea bag

Better English voice and scammer gangsters sending you mail, India has totally replaced Chinese in this regard, China isn't bothered so much to learn the English language anymore they just build and manufacture all your tech shit, probably even your mobile cell phone or computer you use was from China

They have also turned their women into breeding machine like parts of Arabia and Africa or like China used to be in the 1950s

Shitting
Before it was people on a boat off Hong Kong sticking their ass off a boat and taking a shit, living in a boat while trying to make a living and then pooping where they work live
India the Ajatasatru Pajeet Aarush Jatayu Aadarshini Patel Khatri Acharya they currently now have these designated shitting streets much like you have in San Fransicko or San Franshitsco


A caste of 620 million – who defecated in the open

less toilets per person than much poorer countries, such as Congo or Afghanistan

youtube.com/
watch?v=QqdOPwwjwdo

It's not the illegal immigration or a drugs thing, its a caste thing and they are number 1 street shitters

Superstitions and voodoo type religion ritual everywhere?


When they finally or if ever get some of their 'shit' together



You will be told by shills wirting opinion marketing articles to invest in Bangladesh or some place?


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Monday, January 23, 2023 10:34 PM

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Americans Lost $39.5 Billion to Phone Scams in the Last Year. 5 Tips to Protect Your Money

https://www.fool.com/the-ascent/personal-finance/articles/americans-lo
st-395-billion-to-phone-scams-in-the-last-year-5-tips-to-protect-your-money
/

68.4 million Americans fell victim to phone scams within the last year.
The average person reported a loss of $577.



BTW... that number was reportedly only $5.8 Billion in 2021, which was up 70% from 2020.


Most of that shit is coming from India, and it won't ever get solved because the police and federal agencies in India are in on the grift. Even when people here in the US work with Indian citizens from the inside to take down a corrupt call center, another one just pops up right down the block and it's like playing whack-a-mole.

Fuck India.

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Tuesday, February 7, 2023 7:19 PM

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Is this funny to you?

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Sunday, March 5, 2023 7:00 PM

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Billionaire investor Mark Mobius says he cannot take money out of China

Billionaire investor Mark Mobius told FOX Business he cannot take his money out of China due to the country's capital controls, cautioning investors to be "very, very careful" about investing in an economy under a tight government grip.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/billionaire-investor-mark-mobius-
says-he-cannot-take-money-out-of-china-fox-business/ar-AA18euzO?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d976abaa1f414859bc91852b6eff5a2b&ei=99






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Sunday, March 5, 2023 9:51 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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The CIA says Xi Jinping ordered the Chinese military to invade Taiwan within four years

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-cia-says-xi-jinping-ordered-t
he-chinese-military-to-invade-taiwan-within-four-years/ar-AA189aKh?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=58af4b6160304e04b7d0d0b96f2e1d8e&ei=43






A) I doubt it. The CIA also said that Saddam had WMD and was responsible for 9-11. The CIA said that Qaddafi massacred his own people. The CIA said that Noriega was a huge drug runner. The CIA said they were training "moderate rebels" in Syria. The CIA ran opium from the Golden Triangle and Afghanistan. The CIA said Russia blew up its own pipelines.

The CIA doesn't tell little white lies, it tells giant whoppers that anybody else would be embarrassed to mouth.

B) Give me one cogent reason why we should get involved. Otherwise- fuck Taiwan.

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Sunday, March 5, 2023 10:23 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

A) I doubt it. The CIA also said that Saddam had WMD and was responsible for 9-11.

It wasn't the CIA. It was George Bush lying. But that is to be expected because Bush lied extensively while Texas governor and even lied about his time in the Texas National Guard. He had the documents destroyed that would prove he was lying. A Texas governor can destroy Texas National Guard documents about himself.

No, really, George W. Bush lied about WMDs
https://www.vox.com/2016/7/9/12123022/george-w-bush-lies-iraq-war

Besides the false claims about WMDs, a false confession, obtained under torture, of a link between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda was used to justify the Iraq invasion.
https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2009/05/al-libi-torture-and-
case-war-iraq
/

I would love to go through all your other complaints about the CIA, but the truth is that it is Republican Presidents that are deliberately lying and, when caught, shift the blame to low-level people with no reputations in the CIA. This is what happens when a completely immoral person such as Bush or Trump is elected President. They lie all the time because lying about matters that should never be falsified is very natural for Republican Presidents. See Richard Nixon's biographies if you want to know how far back this rottenness goes.

Republicans use a variant of the same trick, but against Democrats rather than Iraqis, by lying about matters that should never be falsified, but the lies are about what Democrats did, not what Iraqis did.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, March 6, 2023 2:46 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


By the time GWB became President he was a brain-burned dry-drunk and Dick Cheney's meat puppet. The fault wasn't there, it was further back. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith. CIA "stovepiping" the desired "intelligence" to national security team under the Urging of senior WH officials.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2003/10/27/the-stovepipe

But it goes further back than that. When confronted the CIA shifted the blame to Blair's MI6. The same dimwits that brought us "RUSSIA!RUSSIA!COLLUSION!"

As you can see it's one big dysfunctional family

*****

But I see you dragged the thread off-topic, again, to your monomania.

Maybe YOU can come up with a cogent reason why the USA should pick a fight with China over Taiwan.

TRY not to bring up Trump, Republicans, Russia, or "Trumptards", if you can. It seems mighty difficult for you, but if you're as self-controlled an rational as you SAY you are (/snicker), it should be easy.

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Funny comrade. I see it is you who've taken this thread off topic. It wasn't TWO who brought up the CIA, Bush and Iraq. It was you and he just responded, once again taking you to school.

T


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Friday, March 10, 2023 4:01 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So, can YOU come up with a reason for going to war against China? I'd like you to think about it ahead of the likely stampede.



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Friday, March 10, 2023 7:11 PM

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Nope, not based on anything going on at the moment.

T


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Friday, March 10, 2023 7:15 PM

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Quote:

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Nope, not based on anything going on at the moment.

T




Ted: Worried about China putting spy chips in Amazon and Apple servers.

Also Ted: Doesn't give a shit about what China is doing and wants to start WWIII with Russia.


You're a fuckin' meat popsicle.

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Saturday, March 11, 2023 11:42 AM

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WOW!

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Saturday, March 11, 2023 3:16 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

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Nope, not based on anything going on at the moment.

T


Well, remember that thought, bc up until a few months before it happened, nobody had a reason to invade Iraq, Grenada, and Panama or destroy Libya and Yugoslavia either

But if our government wants to, they'll come up with SOME excuse for war with China. Freedom of navigation? Save Taiwan? I don't know what, but something.

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