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Saturday, December 15, 2018 2:19 PM

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Saturday, December 15, 2018 6:55 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


OMFingG! And in only ONE show ...

... too funny!


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Saturday, December 15, 2018 7:50 PM

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Yeah. I thought that was pretty funny when I saw it. Anybody with half a brain knows that she's a clown though.

Here's one that's not so funny. I posted it in another thread earlier today, but it's probably just going to get buried there.



Jimmy Dore is pretty far left, and has been for a long time... But he's left about the things that I agree with for the most part, and he's not afraid to call the bullshit.

He's long been a part of TYT, but they've been boxing him out ever since he started calling out the Russia narrative as a conspiracy by the establishment.


Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, December 15, 2018 8:45 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I'm old enough and jaded enough to find it funny - even though it's scary-true.

Jimmy Dore is pretty good! Thanks for putting me on to him! I'll be following him.

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Saturday, December 15, 2018 9:38 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I'm old enough and jaded enough to find it funny - even though it's scary-true.

Jimmy Dore is pretty good! Thanks for putting me on to him! I'll be following him.



Yeah. I really like the guy. Been watching him for about 3 years. That's around the time I learned about The Young Turks and how bad a lot of their stuff is. They're just about the YouTube equivalent of CNN. As far as I know he's still on there too, but if he keeps this stuff up they're going to ostracise him and call him alt-right. That would actually be very funny because he's got a lot of pro-socialism views on things like Universal Income, Universal Healthcare and free college. He's pretty much a Bernie Bro.

I'll have to see if I can dig up the video where he got in a heated argument with the head of TYT on a segment and claimed that he was pro-censorship.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, December 15, 2018 11:36 PM

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I found it.

This is great.





This was right after Alex Jones got de-platformed everywhere.

It should be noted that Jimmy Dore was caught on video just a year earlier spitting his drink in Alex Jones' face.

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Sunday, December 16, 2018 1:07 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


He had that idiot spinning himself in circles.

But it was a shining lesson in how people can tell themselves they think one thing when they really think the opposite.

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Sunday, December 16, 2018 4:53 AM

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Unfortunately, that "idiot" runs TYT, and is pretty much representative of the rich elite and how they like to handle things.

One thing that Jimmy got only part right on that second video is what people who don't buy into the bullshit are going to call you when you swim against that tide. He said that they call you a conspiracy theorist when you don't buy into their conspiracy theory they've been drilling into people's heads for years. That much is true. But from where he's sitting and his long history online it's hard for them to outright call him a Nazi or alt-right... at least not now.

He reminds me of the Democrats I used to know. The ones that used to be on this site many years ago that I agreed with on a lot of things when GWB was president.

Seems there's not much left but crazies these days.

We need more people like Dore out there. Liberals that haven't gone full crazy that can bring people back to the center. God knows that will never be accepted from anybody who is even slightly right of center.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, December 16, 2018 9:14 PM

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Sunday, December 16, 2018 9:20 PM

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Here's a link to a downloadable PDF file of the poll Jimmy references around 14:30 on Gallop:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/237392/satisfaction-important-problem-tre
nds.aspx



Funny that this poll was put together back in July and this is the first I've heard of it. I've downloaded it and will be looking through it after work.


If it is legitimate, then our resident RUSSIA!!!! Trolls here are representative of less than 1% of the country today. This wouldn't be surprising since less than 1% of the country watches CNN/MSNBC on a daily basis.




EDIT: One thing I did have a chance to look at before I go is the Satisfaction to Dissatisfaction ratio breakdown for the question "In general, are you satisfied or dissatisfied with the way things are going in the United States at this time?" that dates back to 1983.

Though the current month's result is 35/62/2 and doesn't sound very great, it has been flirting with the high 30's several times this year.

It should be noted that the ONLY time during the entire Obama presidency that the number was ever as "high" as 35 for satisfaction were two months, all the way back in May and August of 2009. A majority of his presidency was mired in the 10's and 20's for Satisfaction.



How am I only hearing about this now? /end of rhetorical questions



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Sunday, December 16, 2018 11:09 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Nice series of videos, SIX! I laughed so hard, tears ran down my legs! (Old lady joke. I hope you don't mind.)
The FIRST Russia Maddow video? I had to keep an eye on her outfit to make sure that it was all from one show. I've got to show these to hubby, I'm sure he'll find them funny.

Yeah, I've got to look at that poll too.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Sunday, December 16, 2018 11:24 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Hallelujah! Dore has brought me back to my democratic roots.

I'll take a closer look at the poll as well.

I have to say - and I know I've recounted this before - there were some very SPECIFIC events at various times in my life where I knew the reality and got to observe the US news being highly dishonest. And not just about little things, and not just for a short time. I got to observe it being entirely dishonest about an African war the CIA was involved in over many years, while the media failed to cover that war at all.

The reason you don't know about the poll is because tptb want to keep us all in the grip of their useful narrative. They want us to be isolated in our suspicions and discontents, as we look all around and see the bland rosy assurances that are presented everywhere as reality.

I think btw that the deep shittters - I mean the deep staters - might sense they're gradually losing control of the narrative. Take the RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!! meme. There are only so many times you can beat that horse before it's well and truly dead. And continuing to beat it afterwards - well, it won't do you much good. Which is why Pelosi is now licking a semen stain off of a blue dress. Or the equivalent. Because Trump's taxes will for sure connect .TRUMP.RUSSIA.COLLUSION. together.


Anyway - I thank you again for bringing Dore to the board! I'd thought that pov had been lost forever. I guess I fell into the narrative myself. Because it hadn't been lost - they just - - - muffled the screams.

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Monday, December 17, 2018 1:05 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"The FIRST Russia Maddow video? I had to keep an eye on her outfit to make sure that it was all from one show."

I did the exact same thing!

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Monday, December 17, 2018 5:39 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


You guys need to up your dosage of npr/CNN.
Sounds like you are starting to allow reality to seep into your viewpoint narrative. Be careful now.

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Tuesday, December 18, 2018 6:01 AM

REAVERFAN


So, Jimmy Dore is cool now? LOL!

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Tuesday, December 18, 2018 7:35 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
So, Jimmy Dore is cool now? LOL!



Jimmy Dore has always been cool with me as long as I've known about him.

I've posted quite a few videos he's done here in the RWED over the last several years, even during the 2016 election.



How very Nazi of me, am I right?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, December 18, 2018 8:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Hallelujah! Dore has brought me back to my democratic roots.

I'll take a closer look at the poll as well.

I have to say - and I know I've recounted this before - there were some very SPECIFIC events at various times in my life where I knew the reality and got to observe the US news being highly dishonest. And not just about little things, and not just for a short time. I got to observe it being entirely dishonest about an African war the CIA was involved in over many years, while the media failed to cover that war at all.

The reason you don't know about the poll is because tptb want to keep us all in the grip of their useful narrative. They want us to be isolated in our suspicions and discontents, as we look all around and see the bland rosy assurances that are presented everywhere as reality.

I think btw that the deep shittters - I mean the deep staters - might sense they're gradually losing control of the narrative. Take the RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!! meme. There are only so many times you can beat that horse before it's well and truly dead. And continuing to beat it afterwards - well, it won't do you much good. Which is why Pelosi is now licking a semen stain off of a blue dress. Or the equivalent. Because Trump's taxes will for sure connect .TRUMP.RUSSIA.COLLUSION. together.


Anyway - I thank you again for bringing Dore to the board! I'd thought that pov had been lost forever. I guess I fell into the narrative myself. Because it hadn't been lost - they just - - - muffled the screams.



You're welcome. I've actually posted probably a dozen or so videos he's made over the last few years here, but they were usually in reply to existing threads on various subjects and I don't know if anybody actually watched any of them.

Like I said before, I don't agree with everything the guy has to say about everything, but I could say that about anybody else too. He is one of about half a dozen people who I get my news from these days. He has actually changed my mind about some things over the years as well, or at least he has gotten me to look into things that changed my mind about something.

It's really a good thing he has deep roots with TYT. If he didn't, I fear that he'd be labeled an alt-right personality at this point for how often he goes against the establishment Democrats.

In one of his videos (I believe yesterday), he was talking about Clinton and how the media is trying to humanize her with a publicity stunt she pulled the other day. During that he joked "Now's not the time, Jimmy", as in now's not the time to be trying to split the Democratic party. That's kind of a running gag he's got going on because people have been screaming at him about that since before the 2016 election.

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Tuesday, December 18, 2018 9:21 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Most repeated misleading or false claim by Trump:

“There was no collusion. There was never any collusion.”

FACT CHECK:

The special counsel investigation into potential collusion between Russia and Trump's campaign and obstruction of justice continues, and no conclusions have been announced.

www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/

REPEATED 157 TIMES: Oct 29, 2018 Oct 19 Oct 16 Oct 16 Oct 14 Oct 13 Oct 11 Oct 11 Oct 9 Oct 8 Sep 26 Sep 26 Sep 24 Sep 20 Sep 20 Sep 18 Sep 17 Sep 17 Sep 16 Sep 15Sep 12Sep 7Sep 7Sep 7Sep 4Sep 1Aug 30Aug 23Aug 22Aug 22Aug 22Aug 21Aug 21Aug 20Aug 20Aug 19Aug 19Aug 17Aug 15Aug 14Aug 14Aug 12Aug 10Aug 9Aug 6Aug 5Aug 1Jul 31Jul 27Jul 22Jul 22Jul 21Jul 19Jul 17Jul 17Jul 17Jul 16Jul 16Jul 16Jul 15Jul 14Jul 13Jul 11Jul 7Jul 7Jul 6Jul 5Jul 1Jul 1Jun 28Jun 28Jun 28Jun 27Jun 23Jun 23Jun 20Jun 18Jun 18Jun 17Jun 16Jun 15Jun 14Jun 8Jun 5Jun 2Jun 2May 30May 29May 29May 27May 26May 23May 23May 20May 20May 20May 20May 18May 17May 17May 15May 7May 2May 2May 2Apr 18Apr 18Apr 11Apr 9Feb 24Feb 10Feb 10Feb 3Jan 25Jan 16Jan 11Jan 10Jan 10Jan 10Jan 6Jan 6Jan 5Dec 28, 2017Dec 28Dec 28Dec 15Dec 12Nov 26Nov 11Oct 27Oct 25Oct 25Oct 18Oct 16Oct 11Oct 10Sep 22Sep 22Aug 3Jul 29Jul 23Jul 12Jul 9Jun 22May 12May 10Apr 28Apr 5Apr 1Mar 20Mar 20Mar 20Mar 20Feb 26Feb 24Feb 16Feb 7

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, December 18, 2018 9:40 AM

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Washington Post - LEFT-CENTER BIAS

These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes) to favor liberal causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information, but may require further investigation. See all Left-Center sources.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-post/

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, December 18, 2018 3:45 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted:
Most repeated misleading or false claim by Trump:

“There was no collusion. There was never any collusion.”

FACT CHECK:

The special counsel investigation into potential collusion between Russia and Trump's campaign and obstruction of justice continues, and no conclusions have been announced.

www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/

REPEATED 157 TIMES: Oct 29, 2018 Oct 19 Oct 16 Oct 16 Oct 14 Oct 13 Oct 11 Oct 11 Oct 9 Oct 8 Sep 26 Sep 26 Sep 24 Sep 20 Sep 20 Sep 18 Sep 17 Sep 17 Sep 16 Sep 15Sep 12Sep 7Sep 7Sep 7Sep 4Sep 1Aug 30Aug 23Aug 22Aug 22Aug 22Aug 21Aug 21Aug 20Aug 20Aug 19Aug 19Aug 17Aug 15Aug 14Aug 14Aug 12Aug 10Aug 9Aug 6Aug 5Aug 1Jul 31Jul 27Jul 22Jul 22Jul 21Jul 19Jul 17Jul 17Jul 17Jul 16Jul 16Jul 16Jul 15Jul 14Jul 13Jul 11Jul 7Jul 7Jul 6Jul 5Jul 1Jul 1Jun 28Jun 28Jun 28Jun 27Jun 23Jun 23Jun 20Jun 18Jun 18Jun 17Jun 16Jun 15Jun 14Jun 8Jun 5Jun 2Jun 2May 30May 29May 29May 27May 26May 23May 23May 20May 20May 20May 20May 18May 17May 17May 15May 7May 2May 2May 2Apr 18Apr 18Apr 11Apr 9Feb 24Feb 10Feb 10Feb 3Jan 25Jan 16Jan 11Jan 10Jan 10Jan 10Jan 6Jan 6Jan 5Dec 28, 2017Dec 28Dec 28Dec 15Dec 12Nov 26Nov 11Oct 27Oct 25Oct 25Oct 18Oct 16Oct 11Oct 10Sep 22Sep 22Aug 3Jul 29Jul 23Jul 12Jul 9Jun 22May 12May 10Apr 28Apr 5Apr 1Mar 20Mar 20Mar 20Mar 20Feb 26Feb 24Feb 16Feb 7

After 19 months of rectal probing, Anti-Justice Team Mueller has not uncovered one shred of Evidence of any Collusion, which isn't even a crime. It can't be that hard to find any Evidence if it existed, it only took a few minutes at FBI/DoJ to realize Hilliary had actually colluded and committed Treason, before they instituted the cover-up.

Fake Fact Checking by, of all Libtard platforms, wapo? You're not even trying to be credible.

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Tuesday, December 18, 2018 9:20 PM

THG


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Russian operatives known as the Internet Research Agency targeted Robert Mueller in an attempt to discredit him, according to new reports prepared for the Senate.


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Wednesday, December 19, 2018 7:28 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Washington Post - LEFT-CENTER BIAS

These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes) to favor liberal causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information, but may require further investigation. See all Left-Center sources.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-post/

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Sure, there is partisan media on the left, but its audience is much smaller and it lacks misinformation peddlers like Rush Limbaugh and Alex Jones. We appear to be approaching a crucible moment. Robert Mueller appears ready to produce evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia to help win the presidency. Federal law enforcement has already indicated Trump himself broke campaign finance laws. Yet I suspect Republicans will greet both developments with a collective shrug. When you hate your opponent as much as Republicans hate Democrats, it is hard to give an inch on anything.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, December 19, 2018 7:31 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Sure, there is partisan media on the left, but its audience is much smaller and it lacks misinformation peddlers ...
Huh? Have you never listened to left-wing radio? Try tuning in to NPR or Ellen Goodman (Democracy Now!) or the Young Turks from time to time.

Seriously, SECOND, why do you pretend to know something about which you clearly have no first-hand experience?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Wednesday, December 19, 2018 7:34 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


It bears repeating



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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Wednesday, December 19, 2018 8:15 AM

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Originally posted by THG:
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Russian operatives known as the Internet Research Agency targeted Robert Mueller in an attempt to discredit him, according to new reports prepared for the Senate.

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Wednesday, December 19, 2018 9:26 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Sure, there is partisan media on the left, but its audience is much smaller and it lacks misinformation peddlers ...
Huh? Have you never listened to left-wing radio? Try tuning in to NPR or Ellen Goodman (Democracy Now!) or the Young Turks from time to time.

Seriously, SECOND, why do you pretend to know something about which you clearly have no first-hand experience?

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

Are you serious, Signym? I'm gonna do a Rush Limbaugh and write: if you are serious, not kidding, you lost your mind and I suggest you take a pill; go to therapy; get help, Signym, for what is wrong with you.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, December 19, 2018 1:47 PM

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Commie Trolls...

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Wednesday, December 19, 2018 2:03 PM

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Wednesday, December 19, 2018 3:01 PM

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Why so angry?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:35 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Sure, there is partisan media on the left, but its audience is much smaller and it lacks misinformation peddlers ...
SECONDRATE

Huh? Have you never listened to left-wing radio? Try tuning in to NPR or Ellen Goodman (Democracy Now!) or the Young Turks from time to time. Seriously, SECOND, why do you pretend to know something about which you clearly have no first-hand experience?- SIGNY

Are you serious, Signym? I'm gonna do a Rush Limbaugh and write: if you are serious, not kidding, you lost your mind and I suggest you take a pill; go to therapy; get help, Signym, for what is wrong with you. - SECODRATE

So, in other words SECOND you have no idea what's on "media on the left". Seriously, every time you (or anyone else) has to resort to personal insults, that just tells me there's a space-like vacuum behind your posts.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:37 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:


Why so angry?
Do Right, Be Right. :)- SIX



HAHAHAHA!! Funny indeed, SIX!

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Pity would be no more,
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Wednesday, December 19, 2018 8:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted:
Sure, there is partisan media on the left, but its audience is much smaller and it lacks misinformation peddlers ...

The MSM has a much smaller audience? Smaller than what? MSM has the largest audience of any segment!
And the partisan Left MSM has an endless parade of misinformation peddlers! This is Hollywood, and the reason all Networks but one have no News Departments, they only have Entertainment Divisions producing partisan misinformation "News" shows. They often even put "News" in the title of their scripted production shows, probably hoping to fool low-IQ viewers into thinking they are actual News providers. The lone exception is FOX News Channel, but that is more center or perhaps right of center, compared to the entirety of partisan left-wing MSM outlets. Once upon a time, it could have been argued that CNN had been a News provider, but that was before Gulf War I, and confirmed with the OJ in the White Bronco, when they saw how much revenue they got from the lowest common denominator, and devolved into merely entertainment. Just because MSM is the stenographers and PR wing of the Democrap Party does not mean they have a small audience.

You have broken past the bonds of credulity. You are not even making a pretense of serious discussion, with outrageous nonsense claims like this.

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Wednesday, December 19, 2018 9:30 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Throughout the campaign, Trump insisted he had no connections to Russia. And after the election, he said he had “stayed away” from the country. The exact opposite was true.

The full significance of Trump’s deception of the American public has not sufficiently registered.

(Has a single Republican leader said boo about it?)

While Trump had pitched himself to voters as an America First candidate who sincerely held positive sentiments regarding Putin, he had pursued a deal in Russia that could have reaped him hundreds of millions of dollars. And he had not shared this salient fact with the public. Needless to say, Trump could not have moved ahead with a major endeavor in Moscow if he had been talking tough about the Kremlin. He was thoroughly compromised as a candidate and hid that from the public during the campaign.

In a non-Trumpified world, revelations of this behind-the-scenes scheming for profit would have set off an enormous political earthquake. This was a significant conflict of interest in modern American campaign history. Don't forget the hundreds of millions of dollars Trump could have made from Russia, money that he swore didn't exist.

www.motherjones.com/media/2018/12/the-big-story-trump-russia/?list_sou
rce=7H8CPR05


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, December 20, 2018 7:13 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Sure, there is partisan media on the left, but its audience is much smaller and it lacks misinformation peddlers ...
SECONDRATE

Huh? Have you never listened to left-wing radio? Try tuning in to NPR or Ellen Goodman (Democracy Now!) or the Young Turks from time to time. Seriously, SECOND, why do you pretend to know something about which you clearly have no first-hand experience?- SIGNY

Are you serious, Signym? I'm gonna do a Rush Limbaugh and write: if you are serious, not kidding, you lost your mind and I suggest you take a pill; go to therapy; get help, Signym, for what is wrong with you. - SECODRATE

So, in other words SECOND you have no idea what's on "media on the left". Seriously, every time you (or anyone else) has to resort to personal insults, that just tells me there's a space-like vacuum behind your posts.

Let’s recap for Signym, who is angry, insulted, and lost in the maze:

1) Trump, while campaigning for president, had a secret deal in Russia for which his attorney sought Putin’s help. Trump lied to the public about this.

2) Trump’s campaign was informed that Moscow intended to intervene to help Trump. It said nothing about this information, essentially encouraged the Kremlin, and denied Moscow’s involvement once the Russian hack-and-dump attack became publicly known.

3) Trump, after being told the Kremlin was attempting to subvert an American election, claimed no such thing was happening. He covered for Putin.

Trump aided and abetted Russia’s secret war on the United States — a war that helped shape the outcome of a narrowly decided presidential election. This is all known, and indisputable — except that these days, anything will be disputed by Trump, his followers, and Signym. Even if Trump’s disputations are demonstrable lies — “I have nothing to do with Russia” — they still color and cloud the ongoing public discourse about what happened in 2016. Trump’s disputations have prompted his supporters, his GOP comrades, and Signym to reject or ignore the powerful truth of Trump’s profound betrayal, portraying it as just another debatable point in the grand chaos of the Trump years.

More at www.motherjones.com/media/2018/12/the-big-story-trump-russia/?list_sou
rce=7H8CPR05


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, December 20, 2018 8:28 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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The Jimmy Dore Show - Bruce Springsteen Says Democrats Are Out Of Touch




Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, December 20, 2018 9:32 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The Jimmy Dore Show - Bruce Springsteen Says Democrats Are Out Of Touch

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The key quote from the article about Springsteen that Jimmy Dore is using: The point that Springsteen is trying to make is not that Trump is worthy of re-election. It’s that Democrats have not accepted the fact that Trump, for all his mistakes and imbecile behavior, found a "Make America Great Again" message that tapped into the souls of America’s middle class in 2016. Why can’t Democrats find that message, too?

www.northjersey.com/story/news/columnists/mike-kelly/2018/12/07/bruce-
springsteen-democrats-find-someone-america-working-class/2229586002
/

I know the answer to the question: Why can’t Democrats find that message, too? Because there is no way that anybody (Democratic Party, GOP, Trump, Bernie) can do more than a send a message. The Democratic Party has the fatal weakness that it won't tell whopping huge lies like the GOP will in order to win elections. The somebody who can do it, the top 1% of Americans in wealth, are not going to do it. The 1%, at about 3.3 million of them, out number the 3 million federal employees. The deal is that the lower 99% will have to organize themselves against the will of the top 1%. The lower 99% have had 242 years since 1776 to organize themselves and they haven't been able to do it. It won't happen in the next 2 years, either.

Why can't the 99% do it? Because the top 50% of the population see themselves as someday joining the top 1%. Why overthrown the class that they will someday join? The practical answer: because you will never be a 1%er. You won't win that lottery because dreaming that you will, and protecting the top 1%, is guaranteed to keep you out of that select group which actually runs America instead of Congress and the President.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, December 20, 2018 10:06 AM

THG


Trump's withdrawal from Syria is victory for Iran and Russia, experts say. Analysis: The move provides "Iran with solid control over the entire arc of the Levant from Baghdad to Beirut," one expert said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-uncovered/trump-s-withdrawal-sy
ria-victory-iran-russia-experts-say-n950111


Yea Trump, way to go loser.

T



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Thursday, December 20, 2018 10:09 AM

THG


North Korea Says U.S. Nukes Must Also Go for Regime to Disarm

North Korean state media said removal of the U.S.’s nuclear weapons from the region was a condition of its own disarmament

https://news.yahoo.com/north-korea-says-u-nukes-072532552.html

Yea Trump, way to go loser.

T



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Thursday, December 20, 2018 10:13 AM

THG


Pelosi Tells Trump He ‘WILL NOT WIN’ on Border Wall

https://www.hannity.com/media-room/candid-camera-pelosi-tells-trump-he
-will-not-win-on-border-wall
/

And Pelosi wins. Yea Trump way to go loser.

T



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Thursday, December 20, 2018 10:16 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:

Yea Trump, way to go loser.

T


People in a hierarchy tend to rise to their "level of incompetence".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle
www.investopedia.com/terms/p/peter-principle.asp

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, December 20, 2018 10:17 AM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:

Yea Trump, way to go loser.


People in a hierarchy tend to rise to their "level of incompetence".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle
www.investopedia.com/terms/p/peter-principle.asp

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



Yep, the Peter Principle. And Trump is in way over his head.

T



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Thursday, December 20, 2018 10:19 AM

THG


The Fed just marched ahead with an interest-rate hike — here's what the increase means for your wallet

Despite attacks from President Donald Trump

https://www.businessinsider.com/federal-reserve-interest-rate-hike-eff
ect-on-loans-credit-cards-2018-12


Yea Trump, way to go loser.

T



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Thursday, December 20, 2018 10:21 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:

Yea Trump, way to go loser.

T


People in a hierarchy tend to rise to their "level of incompetence".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle
www.investopedia.com/terms/p/peter-principle.asp

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



Yep, the Peter Principle. And Trump is in way over his head.

T



In other words, Trump was promoted based on his success in previous jobs until he reached a level at which he is no longer competent, as skills in one job do not necessarily translate to another. To compensate for his weaknesses, Trump could hire competent people, for his cabinet and staff, but he chooses not to, perhaps because Trump is extremely incompetent?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

The psychological phenomenon of illusory superiority was identified as a form of cognitive bias in Kruger and Dunning's 1999 study "Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments".

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, December 20, 2018 10:41 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

I know the answer to the question: Why can’t Democrats find that message, too? Because there is no way that anybody (Democratic Party, GOP, Trump, Bernie) can do more than a send a message. The Democratic Party has the fatal weakness that it won't tell whopping huge lies like the GOP will in order to win elections. - SECOND
I call "bullshit"!

My god, SECOND, EVEN YOU must recognize that Obama told a whole bunch of whoppers in order to get elected.


-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Thursday, December 20, 2018 10:43 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


This thread is not about Trump's competence. To bring the discussion back to its OP...






-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Thursday, December 20, 2018 10:55 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

I know the answer to the question: Why can’t Democrats find that message, too? Because there is no way that anybody (Democratic Party, GOP, Trump, Bernie) can do more than a send a message. The Democratic Party has the fatal weakness that it won't tell whopping huge lies like the GOP will in order to win elections. - SECOND
I call "bullshit"!

My god, SECOND, EVEN YOU must recognize that Obama told a whole bunch of whoppers in order to get elected.

It is astounding the level of Delusion required to even make a claim like that. That the Troll probably even believes that is mind-boggling.
Must have had his head in the sand for the past 80 years.

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Thursday, December 20, 2018 12:43 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The Jimmy Dore Show - Bruce Springsteen Says Democrats Are Out Of Touch

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The key quote from the article about Springsteen that Jimmy Dore is using: The point that Springsteen is trying to make is not that Trump is worthy of re-election.



No shit.

The REAL point they're trying to make is that Democrats can't find a single candidate that can even beat Trump... and YES, that is meant as a HUGE insult to today's Democratic Party. They don't have any message that the working class gives a shit about.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, December 20, 2018 1:38 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

The REAL point they're trying to make is that Democrats can't find a single candidate that can even beat Trump... and YES, that is meant as a HUGE insult to today's Democratic Party. They don't have any message that the working class gives a shit about.




And Trump's message is for the working class is.... vote for me because I hate democrats like you do?
Seriously, what's his message to the working class - MAGA? Let's burn coal! The Wall! Americans are white, and non-white people smell bad.

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Thursday, December 20, 2018 3:03 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

The REAL point they're trying to make is that Democrats can't find a single candidate that can even beat Trump... and YES, that is meant as a HUGE insult to today's Democratic Party. They don't have any message that the working class gives a shit about.




And Trump's message is for the working class is.... vote for me because I hate democrats like you do?
Seriously, what's his message to the working class - MAGA? Let's burn coal! The Wall! Americans are white, and non-white people smell bad.



Honestly, it doesn't matter what it is. He got elected, and despite all of the negative press over the last two years his popularity is over 40%, which is largely the amount of people who voted for him 2 years ago (including all the independents/swing voters).

Here's the point that you're missing. I'll spell it out for you.

Don't worry about Trump. Worry about your party. Stop running on "we're against Trump", and start running on something that people can believe in.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, December 20, 2018 7:15 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Honestly, it doesn't matter what it is. He got elected, and despite all of the negative press over the last two years his popularity is over 40%, which is largely the amount of people who voted for him 2 years ago (including all the independents/swing voters).



You voted for him and you don't even know what he ran on? Crassic.
BTW - His popularity is that high because of all the press, both good an bad - wake the f*ck up. They're both working each other.

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Here's the point that you're missing. I'll spell it out for you.
Don't worry about Trump. Worry about your party. Stop running on "we're against Trump", and start running on something that people can believe in.



Oh, I bet people will believe in "Oh hell no, not F*ckweed Dumb@ss Again."

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