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Who Is Looking Forward To Government Shutdown?

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Wednesday, December 19, 2018 8:19 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Sure, all reasonable people understand that with a full and complete Government Shutdown, only 86% of the Government will remain functioning, getting paid, spending taxpayer dollars.

But the 14% that does actually stop, might save us some money.


Obamanation is no longer in office, with his crusade to bankrupt America. So any Shutdown now would not require his blowing out the Overtime pay to call out SWAT to Expel Law-Abiding Citizens from Free and Open To The Public Parks and Government properties.

So no honest working Americans would even notice if the Government Shuts Down again now. No need for the Republicans and RINOs to cave in or capitulate to Pelosi tantrums.


Who thinks it would be a good idea?

If you think it would be a not good idea, what is your reason? Try to be rational.

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Wednesday, December 19, 2018 8:47 PM

WISHIMAY

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:


So no honest working Americans would even notice if the Government Shuts Down again now.



Ignorant statement of the day.




You DO know there are many businesses that basically run off of the presence of government workers being at work, right? And that not all government workers are just rollin' in it??

More than 850,000 federal workers who were furloughed during the 2013 shutdown eventually got repaid. But the janitors, security guards, and cafeteria servers who work as subcontractors in federal buildings didn't.

More than 700 janitors and security guards and 500 food-service workers were unable to work in the Washington, DC, area during the shutdown, according to the Washington Post.

The head of a local janitorial company told the Post at the time that 100 employees who cleaned the Labor and Justice Departments couldn't work. It ended up costing his company $80,000.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/19/16907138/government-
shutdown-2018






Most services will continue, but national parks may be shut down, safety inspections (for example, for hazardous waste and drinking water) could be halted, and the IRS may not be able to process taxes and refunds,” said Marc Goldwein, senior vice president and senior policy director for the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, in an email to MarketWatch. During the government shutdown in 2013, some $2.2 billion in Internal Revenue Service refunds to individual taxpayers were delayed.

Shutting down the Department of Homeland Security could prove problematic for troops deployed along the southern U.S. border. Nearly 6,000 active-duty troops and 2,100 Guardsmen deployed to the region could see border patrol activities cut or canceled in coming weeks, further confusing the role of support forces there.

The Coast Guard operated at 80 percent, but its services to maritime commerce and recreational boating would cease, according to the Bipartisan Policy Center.

VA officials work closely with HUD leaders on a host of homeless outreach efforts throughout the year, and a disruption in their funding could mean reducing or temporarily canceling some of those efforts.




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Thursday, December 20, 2018 4:04 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Your sad devotion to the little orange man is barely notable. No one, let me repeat that, no one! believes this is a good idea, not even Trump.

Cone on Jewels, there's only a handful of people drinking from the Kool-aid jug.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Sure, all reasonable people understand that with a full and complete Government Shutdown, only 86% of the Government will remain functioning, getting paid, spending taxpayer dollars.

But the 14% that does actually stop, might save us some money.


Obamanation is no longer in office, with his crusade to bankrupt America. So any Shutdown now would not require his blowing out the Overtime pay to call out SWAT to Expel Law-Abiding Citizens from Free and Open To The Public Parks and Government properties.

So no honest working Americans would even notice if the Government Shuts Down again now. No need for the Republicans and RINOs to cave in or capitulate to Pelosi tantrums.


Who thinks it would be a good idea?

If you think it would be a not good idea, what is your reason? Try to be rational.


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Thursday, December 20, 2018 7:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Your sad devotion to the little orange man is barely notable. No one, let me repeat that, no one! believes this is a good idea, not even Trump.

Cone on Jewels, there's only a handful of people drinking from the Kool-aid jug.

I think it would be an excellent idea because a 100 daylong shutdown would be very destructive to the GOP and Trump. Even Trump voters would notice (maybe some of them) that Trump does not understand how to negotiate with Congress.

It would be Trump going on strike and shutting down whatever he can. That is no way for Trump to be performing his duties as Chief Executive of the United States. What he would be doing is as stupid as, for example, the CEO of Ford threatening to shutdown the assembly line for Mustangs because the CEO has a dispute with the board of directors. The directors at Ford could handle the situation better than Congress can. Ford would fire that CEO in about 48 hours, not take 48 months to decide he has to go.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, December 20, 2018 8:13 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Most services will continue, but national parks may be shut down, safety inspections (for example, for hazardous waste and drinking water) could be halted, and the IRS may not be able to process taxes and refunds,” said Marc Goldwein, senior vice president and senior policy director for the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, in an email to MarketWatch. During the government shutdown in 2013, some $2.2 billion in Internal Revenue Service refunds to individual taxpayers were delayed.



This would probably be a good time for people to start altering their W4 to match what their taxes paid in would be according to their situation.

I ALWAYS claim 2 dependents up front even though I'm single and I'm my only dependent. I've NEVER ended up owing any taxes this way, and if it weren't for the Earned Income Credit, my returns would only be around 30 bucks or less at the end of the year.

I can't figure out why people don't do this. Sure, tax day wouldn't be something to look forward to like it is for a lot of people now, but your bi-weekly check would be that much larger because you weren't giving the government a free loan on your money all year long.

If the government does get shut down this year, they can keep my $30 + EIC until it's over. I won't be among the people waiting for a $1,000+ tax return.


So long as you pay your taxes at the end of the year, this is completely legal to do.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, December 20, 2018 8:25 AM

THG


Shutdown, that's funny. Trump folds, Pelosi wins, Putin wins and North Korea wins. Your boys a loser jsf, a pussy.

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Thursday, December 20, 2018 8:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

This would probably be a good time for people to start altering their W4 to match what their taxes paid in would be according to their situation.

I ALWAYS claim 2 dependents up front even though I'm single and I'm my only dependent. I've NEVER ended up owing any taxes this way, and if it weren't for the Earned Income Credit, my returns would only be around 30 bucks or less at the end of the year.

I can't figure out why people don't do this. Sure, tax day wouldn't be something to look forward to like it is for a lot of people now, but your bi-weekly check would be that much larger because you weren't giving the government a free loan on your money all year long.

If the government does get shut down this year, they can keep my $30 + EIC until it's over. I won't be among the people waiting for a $1,000+ tax return.


So long as you pay your taxes at the end of the year, this is completely legal to do.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

This is a very old scheme, 6ix. Back during the Vietnam War, people I worked with at Burger King were increasing their reported number of dependents and decreasing the number of hours they worked in order to avoid paying taxes which supported an "immoral" war effort. Turns out they were right about the immoral. But it seemed a stupid, self-defeating strategy to me, yet they didn't agree. They didn't volunteer for war and they cut back on their work-hours and they are, today, poor. I took the oppose view: I volunteered, I increase my hours after I came home, and I am, today, not poor. But I also don't give a gorram about moral vs immoral or legal vs illegal or polite vs impolite. I do care about more money vs less money. That attitude has worked very well for Trump and me, but doesn't work nearly as well once you are President of the United States. Too many people are aware of what you are doing as President and will judge you harshly.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, December 20, 2018 8:56 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

This would probably be a good time for people to start altering their W4 to match what their taxes paid in would be according to their situation.

I ALWAYS claim 2 dependents up front even though I'm single and I'm my only dependent. I've NEVER ended up owing any taxes this way, and if it weren't for the Earned Income Credit, my returns would only be around 30 bucks or less at the end of the year.

I can't figure out why people don't do this. Sure, tax day wouldn't be something to look forward to like it is for a lot of people now, but your bi-weekly check would be that much larger because you weren't giving the government a free loan on your money all year long.

If the government does get shut down this year, they can keep my $30 + EIC until it's over. I won't be among the people waiting for a $1,000+ tax return.


So long as you pay your taxes at the end of the year, this is completely legal to do.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

This is a very old scheme, 6ix. Back during the Vietnam War, people I worked with at Burger King were increasing their reported number of dependents and decreasing the number of hours they worked in order to avoid paying taxes which supported an "immoral" war effort. Turns out they were right about the immoral. But it seemed a stupid, self-defeating strategy to me, yet they didn't agree. They didn't volunteer for war and they cut back on their work-hours and they are, today, poor. I took the oppose view: I volunteered, I increase my hours after I came home, and I am, today, not poor. But I also don't give a gorram about moral vs immoral or legal vs illegal or polite vs impolite. I do care about more money vs less money. That attitude has worked very well for Trump and me, but doesn't work nearly as well once you are President of the United States. Too many people are aware of what you are doing as President and will judge you harshly.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



Anybody with half a brain will realize that I didn't say anything about any hours worked, I didn't suggest anybody should use this method to get out of paying any taxes that they actually owe, or I didn't recommend to anybody that they should cut back on their hours to avoid paying taxes.

Claiming more dependents up front on your W4 isn't a lie. It's simply the way to reduce your bi-weekly federal tax OVERpayment. All Uncle Sam gives a shit about at the end of the year is that you paid what you were supposed to. Since I've been doing this for about 15 years, I've never owed a single penny at the end of the year, but I didn't lose any sleep waiting for the large interest free loan I gave the government to come in the mail after April 15th like a majority of Americans do.

It should be noted that you shouldn't go and claim that you have 10 dependents and pay no federal taxes on every check. That would be stupid because not only would you end up owing at the end of the year, but you'd likely be WELL over the limit of taxes that you would owe at the end of the year and you would be fined and/or have to pay interest for every Quarter that you were over as well.

I would recommend to anybody making $60,000 or less to try raising your dependents by only 1 more than you actually have. You will have a notably larger bi-weekly paycheck. (Basically, your usual Federal Tax Return minus the new much smaller return, divided by 26. Added to every paycheck.). I can't speak for anybody making more than that since I've never been in that situation myself.





Oh, and why bring up Trump again in your quote/reply to me here? I didn't say anything about Trump. You really have a one track mind, don't you?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, December 20, 2018 9:55 AM

THG


Is it lost on dummy that he is lying on a legal document, probably.

T



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Thursday, December 20, 2018 10:45 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Your sad devotion to the little orange man is barely notable. No one, let me repeat that, no one! believes this is a good idea, not even Trump.

Does anybody dispute this Troll's assertion?

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Thursday, December 20, 2018 11:17 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Anybody with half a brain will realize that I didn't say anything about any hours worked, I didn't suggest anybody should use this method to get out of paying any taxes that they actually owe, or I didn't recommend to anybody that they should cut back on their hours to avoid paying taxes.

6ix, you wrote, but not today, that you are not working 5 days a week. That you have many days off. There is nothing stopping you except yourself from working two jobs, 40 hours per week, so that you'd have enough money to fix that crappy heating system in your house that you write about at http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=58882&mid=10665
76#1066576


Come to think of it, with more money, 6ix, you could raise the temperature in the house to something comfortable. But live however you please and do as little work as suits you.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, December 20, 2018 11:54 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Is it lost on dummy that he is lying on a legal document, probably.



And proud of it - like he's smart for doing it.

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Thursday, December 20, 2018 12:49 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Is it lost on dummy that he is lying on a legal document, probably.



And proud of it - like he's smart for doing it.



Idiots.

https://smartasset.com/taxes/tax-allowances

Quote:

How Many Allowances Should I Claim?

When deciding the number of tax allowances you’ll have to claim, your filing status, the number of jobs you have and whether you have dependents will come into play. So how many allowances do you need? We’ll break it down for you.

Let’s say you’re a single person living on your own. You have zero dependents and only one job, so ideally the total number of allowances you’re claiming would be two. On your W-4 form, you would write a “1” beside line A and a “1” next to line D under the Personal Allowances Worksheet.

You could choose to claim zero tax allowances. That would probably guarantee you a tax refund, but as a result, your paychecks would be smaller. You could claim one allowance as well if you’re interested in getting a refund.





Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, December 20, 2018 12:53 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Anybody with half a brain will realize that I didn't say anything about any hours worked, I didn't suggest anybody should use this method to get out of paying any taxes that they actually owe, or I didn't recommend to anybody that they should cut back on their hours to avoid paying taxes.

6ix, you wrote, but not today, that you are not working 5 days a week. That you have many days off. There is nothing stopping you except yourself from working two jobs, 40 hours per week, so that you'd have enough money to fix that crappy heating system in your house that you write about at http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=58882&mid=10665
76#1066576


Come to think of it, with more money, 6ix, you could raise the temperature in the house to something comfortable. But live however you please and do as little work as suits you.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



Yeah. So what? What I choose to do with my life and my money is what I live with.

I didn't recommend that to anybody here. None of you jokers could live carefree like I do.

My temperature is comfortable now. Jury's out on what the bill will be, but it will still be only a fraction of what my last apartment rent was and I can afford it.

I can also pay cash money for the furnace upgrade that I'll likely be making in the spring. By that time I should even have a few more thousand saved up. :)

You don't have to worry about me, bud.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, December 20, 2018 1:32 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Is it lost on dummy that he is lying on a legal document, probably.



And proud of it - like he's smart for doing it.



Idiots.

https://smartasset.com/taxes/tax-allowances

Quote:

How Many Allowances Should I Claim?

When deciding the number of tax allowances you’ll have to claim, your filing status, the number of jobs you have and whether you have dependents will come into play. So how many allowances do you need? We’ll break it down for you.

Let’s say you’re a single person living on your own. You have zero dependents and only one job, so ideally the total number of allowances you’re claiming would be two. On your W-4 form, you would write a “1” beside line A and a “1” next to line D under the Personal Allowances Worksheet.

You could choose to claim zero tax allowances. That would probably guarantee you a tax refund, but as a result, your paychecks would be smaller. You could claim one allowance as well if you’re interested in getting a refund.






Your the one f*cking with the IRS and we're the idiots????

https://www.1040.com/tax-guide/taxes-for-families/who-can-you-claim/

"Rules for All Dependents
Dependents are usually, but not always, a child or other relative. Qualifying children and qualifying relatives have their own additional requirements, but all dependents must meet these requirements:

Dependents can have their own tax returns, and even be married, but they must not have filed a joint tax return for the year unless it’s just to claim a refund.
They must be a U.S. citizen, U.S. national, or a resident alien.
They must have a taxpayer identification number. That’s usually a Social Security Number, but if the child doesn’t qualify for one, it can be an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) or an Adoption Taxpayer Identification Number (ATIN)."

How the hell do you think you can just make it up?

You better hope the IRS doesn't come calling. Since you can't pay your debts you'll just go to prison. Say hi to Paul, Michael, Jared and Don Jr.

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Thursday, December 20, 2018 1:40 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Is it lost on dummy that he is lying on a legal document, probably.



And proud of it - like he's smart for doing it.



Idiots.

https://smartasset.com/taxes/tax-allowances

Quote:

How Many Allowances Should I Claim?

When deciding the number of tax allowances you’ll have to claim, your filing status, the number of jobs you have and whether you have dependents will come into play. So how many allowances do you need? We’ll break it down for you.

Let’s say you’re a single person living on your own. You have zero dependents and only one job, so ideally the total number of allowances you’re claiming would be two. On your W-4 form, you would write a “1” beside line A and a “1” next to line D under the Personal Allowances Worksheet.

You could choose to claim zero tax allowances. That would probably guarantee you a tax refund, but as a result, your paychecks would be smaller. You could claim one allowance as well if you’re interested in getting a refund.






Your the one f*cking with the IRS and we're the idiots????

https://www.1040.com/tax-guide/taxes-for-families/who-can-you-claim/

"Rules for All Dependents
Dependents are usually, but not always, a child or other relative. Qualifying children and qualifying relatives have their own additional requirements, but all dependents must meet these requirements:

Dependents can have their own tax returns, and even be married, but they must not have filed a joint tax return for the year unless it’s just to claim a refund.
They must be a U.S. citizen, U.S. national, or a resident alien.
They must have a taxpayer identification number. That’s usually a Social Security Number, but if the child doesn’t qualify for one, it can be an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) or an Adoption Taxpayer Identification Number (ATIN)."

How the hell do you think you can just make it up?

You better hope the IRS doesn't come calling. Since you can't pay your debts you'll just go to prison. Say hi to Paul, Michael, Jared and Don Jr.



Go back to school, son.

You could claim 50 Billion dependents on your W4 if you wanted to.

I'm NOT telling anybody to claim more dependents than they have on their 1040, which is where it matters. You'd obviously be breaking some serious laws if you did that, because claiming dependents ON YOUR 1040 FORM actually lowers your total tax obligations, and if you get audited and don't have those dependents you claimed you could be facing serious fines and jail time.

What you put on your W4 form simply changes what your employer, or what your employer's payroll firm deducts from your paychecks for federal taxes upfront on each paycheck.

If you were an idiot and put 3 or 4 on there when you don't have any, it's likely you wouldn't have any deducted at all, and when you file your 1040 you would end up owing a lot of money to the fed... likely enough to be fined and have to pay interest for not paying it. This underpayment would be calculated quarterly, and if you didn't make quarterly payments with a personal check to offset the fact that you screwed yourself and didn't have any deducted on your payroll then you're going to be in trouble.

In this instance, you still wouldn't face jail time, since you haven't done anything illegal at this point. You just better hope that you have the money in the bank to pay your taxes as well as any fines and interest when April 15th comes around.



As the article I posted above states, a single person with zero dependents would ideally claim two allowances on their W4 form to pay the absolute minimum with each paycheck and not underpay.

This is not trying to pull one over on the IRS. SMART people do this every year. I've been doing this for 15 years and have never underpaid. There were no laws broken because on my 1040 I never claimed more than 1 dependent (myself).

I actually got audited once even. They determined that I had under-calculated what I was supposed to get for the Earned Income Credit and wrote a second check out to me for the difference. Had the way I do my W4 been an issue, they would have let me know after the audit, dontcha think?


If you don't do what I'm suggesting, then you're giving the government a huge interest free loan every year. That is what your "tax return" actually is. You're one of probably 100 million people who are giving Uncle Sam a HUGE interest free loan every single year and then waiting patiently for that big check that was ALWAYS YOUR OWN MONEY.



Ask Second who's right here. Did you notice that he's not jumping on your idiot train?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, December 20, 2018 3:07 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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I'm going to assume now G that this is another example of you being owned and fleeing from a conversation then?

I do hope you learned something that you can put to good use yourself someday.

No need to thank me. One less person giving free loans to Uncle Sam every year is payment enough.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, December 20, 2018 3:07 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Thursday, December 20, 2018 3:27 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

You could claim 50 Billion dependents on your W4 if you wanted to.

Ask Second who's right here. Did you notice that he's not jumping on your idiot train?




F*ck dude, we don't all hover around this board like you and I do.

Besides, second probably has an accountant/cpa/tax person/people - he's not filling out forms unless he's seriously determined or deranged.

I see your problem. Conceptually you're right, but factually incorrect. You have muddled exemptions/allowances/ and dependents.

You originally said: "I ALWAYS claim 2 dependents up front even though I'm single and I'm my only dependent. I've NEVER ended up owing any taxes this way, and if it weren't for the Earned Income Credit, my returns would only be around 30 bucks or less at the end of the year. "

You meant allowances not dependents, and that's what I took issue with, and that's what the IRS would bust you for if you don't have 2. You kinda corrected it later - kinda nice job.

Some people don't mind giving the Gov money upfront. That keeps their check down which means they get a bigger refund - if that's what works for them that's what works for them. Just like some people would rather pay their 3% mortgage off if they can, even though they'd be ahead with only decent 6% return investing the same money elsewhere. The math is *irrefutable but they choose to go against it.

*as long as Dump Trump doesn't sink it.

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Thursday, December 20, 2018 7:08 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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I'm going to assume now 6ix that this is another example of you being owned and fleeing from a conversation then?

I do hope you learned something that you can put to good use yourself someday.

No need to thank me. One less person giving bad advice every post is payment enough.

olo

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Thursday, December 20, 2018 7:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Sure, all reasonable people understand that with a full and complete Government Shutdown, only 86% of the Government will remain functioning, getting paid, spending taxpayer dollars.

Who thinks it would be a good idea?

If you think it would be a not good idea, what is your reason? Try to be rational.

I'm going to be hyper-rational by quoting from a Trump document about how the Texas/Mexico Wall will be paid for without a shutdown:

Mexico paying for the wall was actually one of the few issues on which the Trump 2016 campaign released a detailed policy agenda. It’s still up on his website, in fact, and it explains that coercing Mexico into paying for the wall will be a simple matter of invoking Section 326 of the USA Patriot Act to “issue detailed regulations” under 31 CFR § 130.120-121 to block remittance payments from unauthorized residents of the United States back to friends and family in Mexico.

According to the Trump campaign, “It’s an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year.”

More at https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/Pay_for_the_Wall.pdf

But my doubts are growing. I’m starting to think Mexico isn’t going to pay for the wall despite all of Trump's careful planning.

Doing a little research and I find
www.steptoeinternationalcomplianceblog.com/2016/04/trumps-mexico-remit
tance-proposal-goes-inexplicably-awry
/

They go on to argue in some detail that using this regulatory mechanism would likely impede a lot of legitimate commerce while doing little to reduce remittances to Mexico. Trump, it turns out, was not really as well versed in the policy as he portrayed himself to be.

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Thursday, December 20, 2018 8:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

You could claim 50 Billion dependents on your W4 if you wanted to.

Ask Second who's right here. Did you notice that he's not jumping on your idiot train?




F*ck dude, we don't all hover around this board like you and I do.

Besides, second probably has an accountant/cpa/tax person/people - he's not filling out forms unless he's seriously determined or deranged.

I see your problem. Conceptually you're right, but factually incorrect. You have muddled exemptions/allowances/ and dependents.

You originally said: "I ALWAYS claim 2 dependents up front even though I'm single and I'm my only dependent. I've NEVER ended up owing any taxes this way, and if it weren't for the Earned Income Credit, my returns would only be around 30 bucks or less at the end of the year. "

You meant allowances not dependents, and that's what I took issue with, and that's what the IRS would bust you for if you don't have 2. You kinda corrected it later - kinda nice job.

Some people don't mind giving the Gov money upfront. That keeps their check down which means they get a bigger refund - if that's what works for them that's what works for them. Just like some people would rather pay their 3% mortgage off if they can, even though they'd be ahead with only decent 6% return investing the same money elsewhere. The math is *irrefutable but they choose to go against it.

*as long as Dump Trump doesn't sink it.




lol.

One would think the difference between a W4 and 1040 made distinctly on numerous occasions would have tipped you off, but go on with your bad self and pretend you have any idea what you're talking about.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, December 20, 2018 8:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

lol.

6ix,

Good to hear you have figured out the tax thing, the heating fuel thing, and the working-for-a-living thing. Could you help Trump figure out the Wall thing? He tweeted today:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
The Democrats, who know Steel Slats (Wall) are necessary for Border Security, are putting politics over Country. What they are just beginning to realize is that I will not sign any of their legislation, including infrastructure, unless it has perfect Border Security. U.S.A. WINS!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1075729672628068353

At the time he tweeted it, it probably seemed perfectly reasonable. But now Trump is out there saying that America can’t fix its broken infrastructure unless Congress also agrees to pay for the wall that Mexico was supposed to be paying for. It’s weird, and it’s enough to make you wonder what else he may not be telling the whole truth about.

If you would, 6ix, please help Trump on the Wall thing. He is hopelessly muddled and could use your incisive mind. He hasn't even decided how much to pay: Is it a $5 billion or $8 billion or $12 billion or $18 billion or $25 billion border wall? Nobody knows! Not Trump! He has used all these different numbers. He needs to stop changing the number. Every time he talks about the Wall it gets cheaper and cheaper. In the real world, cost only goes up, never down.


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Friday, December 21, 2018 2:19 AM

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Your boys a loser jsf, a pussy.



That's funny! He started out grabbing one, and now, he IS one!

Bwahahahaha!!!

Thank you, I'll be here all week (and twice on Sundays)


SGG

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Friday, December 21, 2018 3:31 AM

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He's so transparent...Rush shouts and Trump calls begging for forgiveness. Ingraham bleeds from her "you know where" and he rushes to the pharmacy to buy the "you know what." Fox news grumbles and he runs home for his "blankey."

This shit writes itself....people in the White House can hear whimpering as they walk through the hallways. It's embarrassing! He's probably curled up in the fetal position in the middle of the Situation Room. He's such a pussy!

GOOD!


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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Shutdown, that's funny. Trump folds, Pelosi wins, Putin wins and North Korea wins. Your boys a loser jsf, a pussy.

T




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First Trump refused to sign any budget deal that didn’t include $5 billion in wall funding. Then he caved in. He’d just fund the wall from “other” sources. Now he’s changed his mind again. Congress has agreed on a short-term budget bill to avert a government shutdown, but suddenly Trump won’t sign it unless he gets his wall. “The President is continuing to weigh his options,” says Sarah Sanders.

Trump is, by nature, a lousy negotiator. But he also can’t be taken at his word, and this makes him a terrible negotiator. What’s the point of even trying to deal with him?


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Friday, December 21, 2018 6:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol.

One would think the difference between a W4 and 1040 made distinctly on numerous occasions would have tipped you off, but go on with your bad self and pretend you have any idea what you're talking about.




Uh-huh: "I ALWAYS claim 2 dependents up front even though I'm single and I'm my only dependent."

Make sure you clean it up for the IRS.

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Friday, December 21, 2018 6:29 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
He's so transparent...Rush shouts and Trump calls begging for forgiveness. Ingraham bleeds from her "you know where" and he rushes to the pharmacy to buy the "you know what." Fox news grumbles and he runs home for his "blankey."

This shit writes itself....people in the White House can hear whimpering as they walk through the hallways. It's embarrassing! He's probably curled up in the fetal position in the middle of the Situation Room. He's such a pussy!




I heard an interesting observation that most tin pot dictatorships have subservient national tv outlets that serve and obey their leader, whereas under Der Trumpenschtupor, the US is the only country in which the national media tells the president what to do.

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Friday, December 21, 2018 7:48 AM

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Quote:

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Trump is, by nature, a lousy negotiator. But he also can’t be taken at his word, and this makes him a terrible negotiator. What’s the point of even trying to deal with him?

Although surely by accident, this Troll has finally realized what it is like dealing with Democraps. Such as Bush41's Know New Taxes.

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Friday, December 21, 2018 10:41 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted:
Trump is, by nature, a lousy negotiator. But he also can’t be taken at his word, and this makes him a terrible negotiator. What’s the point of even trying to deal with him?

Although surely by accident, this Troll has finally realized what it is like dealing with Democraps. Such as Bush41's Know New Taxes.

The Democrats are now bystanders watching Trump's endless hysterics. He is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
The Democrats, whose votes we need in the Senate, will probably vote against Border Security and the Wall even though they know it is DESPERATELY NEEDED. If the Dems vote no, there will be a shutdown that will last for a very long time. People don’t want Open Borders and Crime!
4:24 AM - 21 Dec 2018
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1076090986651099136

Shutdown today if Democrats do not vote for Border Security!
4:31 AM - 21 Dec 2018
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1076092817087320064

Even President Ronald Reagan tried for 8 years to build a Border Wall, or Fence, and was unable to do so. Others also have tried. We will get it done, one way or the other!
4:38 AM - 21 Dec 2018
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1076094498210500608

Mitch, use the Nuclear Option and get it done! Our Country is counting on you!
5:02 AM - 21 Dec 2018
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1076100620581511170

Thank you @SteveDaines for being willing to go with the so-called nuclear option in order to win on DESPERATELY NEEDED Border Security! Have my total support.
5:08 AM - 21 Dec 2018
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1076132028888825857

The Democrats now own the shutdown!
7:07 AM - 21 Dec 2018
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1076132028888825857

The legislation is expected to fail in the Senate, where Democratic votes are needed to top the 60-vote threshold. The White House announced the president will meet with Senate Republicans at 10:30 to discuss next steps. Meantime, Mr. Trump sought to pin blame for a funding lapse on the Democrats — a reversal from his vow in a combative televised Oval Office meeting earlier this month that he would be “proud to shut down the government for border security.”

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Friday, December 21, 2018 10:54 AM

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He's nuts - end of story.

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Friday, December 21, 2018 1:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
He's nuts - end of story.

Trump is taking hostages and threatening to kill them one by one. He can keep doing this several times a year until the GOP Congressmen, not the Democrats, tell him to stop or else they will impeach him for not doing his job. (By the way, his job is NOT to become hysterical nor a drama queen.)

The Democrats might just as well become Republicans if they give Trump a Wall and Trump does not give them something of equal or greater value in return.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, December 22, 2018 5:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol.

One would think the difference between a W4 and 1040 made distinctly on numerous occasions would have tipped you off, but go on with your bad self and pretend you have any idea what you're talking about.




Uh-huh: "I ALWAYS claim 2 dependents up front even though I'm single and I'm my only dependent."

Make sure you clean it up for the IRS.




Here's a little tip. When your taxes are simple enough to do a two page 1040 form and you make between $10,000 and $60,000 the IRS isn't going to waste much time on you as long as you're not driving around in a Bentley.

That's not to say that you should try to cheat. One thing you don't want to do ever is try to pull one over on the IRS. They will find out.

The semantics that I used were perfectly sound, BTW...

The company that I work for doesn't have a standard W4 form that you fill out with a pen, and doesn't even make mention of allowances. It's an online system and they ask you just a few questions to fill out. One of them is how many "dependents" you're claiming for the year, which I chose "2".

The end result is the same and this is no different than filing for two allowances. It doesn't matter at all to the IRS what you put on the W2 form so long as you pay your owed taxes and aren't lying about your actual dependents when it comes to 1040 time.

Once again I'll mention that if you overstate your dependents/allowances on your W4 form then you're opening yourself up to paying too few taxes to the government and being charged fines and interest on a quarterly basis for underpayment. At this point you've still done nothing illegal, but you will run into trouble if you don't have the funds to cover that come April 15th.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, December 22, 2018 5:48 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

lol.

6ix,

Good to hear you have figured out the tax thing, the heating fuel thing, and the working-for-a-living thing. Could you help Trump figure out the Wall thing? He tweeted today:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
The Democrats, who know Steel Slats (Wall) are necessary for Border Security, are putting politics over Country. What they are just beginning to realize is that I will not sign any of their legislation, including infrastructure, unless it has perfect Border Security. U.S.A. WINS!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1075729672628068353

At the time he tweeted it, it probably seemed perfectly reasonable. But now Trump is out there saying that America can’t fix its broken infrastructure unless Congress also agrees to pay for the wall that Mexico was supposed to be paying for. It’s weird, and it’s enough to make you wonder what else he may not be telling the whole truth about.

If you would, 6ix, please help Trump on the Wall thing. He is hopelessly muddled and could use your incisive mind. He hasn't even decided how much to pay: Is it a $5 billion or $8 billion or $12 billion or $18 billion or $25 billion border wall? Nobody knows! Not Trump! He has used all these different numbers. He needs to stop changing the number. Every time he talks about the Wall it gets cheaper and cheaper. In the real world, cost only goes up, never down.


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



Sure thing, Second. I'll even go a step further and do a conference call with Putin. We're all old friends.

My first suggestion in the meeting is to put a voluntary tax on the uber-rich like yourself. You can opt out at any time. I know how much the wall means to you and how all those tax savings you're getting during the Trump presidency is burning a hole in your pocket. I'm sure there are others like you who would be happy to fund it.

Maybe we can trade more Uranium to Putin to fund some of the wall too? I know he's been extremely depressed since Clinton lost and she wouldn't have the power to keep the Uranium flowing. Poor guy. It's been keeping him up at night.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, December 22, 2018 6:05 AM

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Hopefully this newest Shutdown will last a long time. The last worthwhile one was fall of 1995, IIRC.
If we get a Wall out of it, that's a good start.
I expect a Balanced Budget is too much to hope for from Dems.
I haven't looked into any ramifications regarding Congress or Lame Duck during Shutdown. I suppose the New Congress can get sworn in on schedule.

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

My first suggestion in the meeting is to put a voluntary tax on the uber-rich like yourself. You can opt out at any time. I know how much the wall means to you and how all those tax savings you're getting during the Trump presidency is burning a hole in your pocket. I'm sure there are others like you who would be happy to fund it.

Maybe we can trade more Uranium to Putin to fund some of the wall too? I know he's been extremely depressed since Clinton lost and she wouldn't have the power to keep the Uranium flowing. Poor guy. It's been keeping him up at night.

You probably meant an Involuntary tax because there already is a voluntary tax program, established in 1843, where anyone can give a gift to the United States Treasury.
www.fiscal.treasury.gov/public/gifts-to-government.html

Hillary promised there would be no tax cut for the wealthy. Trump promised there would be no tax cut for the wealthy. Only one of them was lying. Which one? Funny old Trump said about his new tax law, “This is going to cost me a fortune, this thing, believe me. This is not good for me."
www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/11/30/president-trump
-says-the-tax-bill-will-cost-me-a-fortune-thats-false
/

He even asserted that his personal tax accountants “are going crazy now” but that he didn’t care because he is now the president and “this is a higher calling.” Not true. This week Trump told other not truths and Trump voters are not offended.

Trump claims the wall would save $200 billion per year. If Trump actually believed the numbers that he writes, he would be willing to give the Democrats some small token in exchange for their votes, but he knows his numbers are fake:

"Hundreds of $Billions" https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1076087536240480257
"BILLIONS of dollars a month" https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1075197397217828864
"200 Billion Dollars a year" https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1075011751165485056

I read an article that explains why Trump will offer the Democrats nothing in exchange for their votes approving the wall.

It is because the entire point of the shutdown is to please his base, which would be angered if he paid to get the "must have" wall:
www.nytimes.com/2018/12/21/opinion/trump-shutdown-border-wall-fight.ht
ml


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Saturday, December 22, 2018 7:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Hopefully this newest Shutdown will last a long time. The last worthwhile one was fall of 1995, IIRC.
If we get a Wall out of it, that's a good start.
I expect a Balanced Budget is too much to hope for from Dems.
I haven't looked into any ramifications regarding Congress or Lame Duck during Shutdown. I suppose the New Congress can get sworn in on schedule.

Why Trump Needs a Border Wall Shutdown Fight
www.nytimes.com/2018/12/21/opinion/trump-shutdown-border-wall-fight.ht
ml


President Trump’s decision to hold firm on his demand for funding toward a border wall and allow the government to partly shut down is a recognition that he is going to sink or swim politically in 2020 by standing with his base.

It also suggests that, however tumultuous the previous two years were, this week is a taste of what’s to come and a sign that partisan warfare is going to get more fierce.

This week, the White House signaled that Mr. Trump was going to drop his demand for a border wall to keep the government open. But some of his most loyal conservative supporters unleashed a torrent of uncharacteristically harsh criticism. “Fox and Friends” hosts complained; Rush Limbaugh fumed; and Ann Coulter declared that without the wall she wouldn’t vote to re-elect Mr. Trump because he will have presided over a “joke presidency” and “scammed the American people.”

According to a Quinnipiac poll, American voters opposed setting off a shutdown over border wall funding, 62 percent to 34 percent. But Republicans supported the move 59 percent to 33 percent. Poll results were not broken down further, but among Mr. Trump’s core supporters, enthusiasm for a border wall showdown was most likely even stronger.
https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2590

President Trump, in other words, faced a classic political quandary of having to choose between his party’s base and the general electorate. His decision shows that he’s concluded his best path to re-election runs through appealing to his base. And he’s probably right. Compared with that of other presidents, Mr. Trump’s approval rating is relatively inelastic, so there isn’t really an option of his winning over moderates by co-opting the message of his opponents, as Bill Clinton successfully did after Democratic losses in the 1994 midterms. Mr. Trump’s own unorthodox political rise has taught him that the road to victory lies in energizing a devoted group of supporters.

Any window for Mr. Trump to govern from the center has long since closed. Attempting to pivot now will win him no new fans, and it will only alienate his most passionate supporters, depriving him of his biggest political asset just as the 2020 presidential election enters its preliminary stages.

There is no vow that defined Mr. Trump’s campaign more than his promise to build a border wall. If he is going to enter the campaign in the embarrassing position of not having fulfilled that pledge, at the very minimum he’s going to have to show that he exhausted every option at his disposal and fought for the wall tooth and nail. A high-profile government shutdown battle is a way to accomplish that.

Most likely, perhaps at some point after House Democrats take control, Mr. Trump will be forced to sign a bill without wall funding, as he will no longer have the votes for it in the House. Coming off a huge electoral victory, Democrats aren’t about to surrender and give Mr. Trump what would be the biggest victory of his presidency.

More at www.nytimes.com/2018/12/21/opinion/trump-shutdown-border-wall-fight.ht
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Saturday, December 22, 2018 8:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Who thinks it would be a good idea?

If the 63 million Trump voters donate $80 each, that will equal the $5 billion Trump says he needs for the Wall. If you prefer to not pay all at this time, your payments would be only $20/yr over 4 years. Where to contribute? www.gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall also known as "We The People Will Fund The Wall"

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Monday, December 24, 2018 6:28 AM

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This is due to the fact that he's an ignoramus when it comes to running a country.
Come to think of it, he's an ignoramus....Period!
If he's not careful he could go the way of good King George, the Mad King.

I'll bet anything Putin and MBS are laughing their asses off!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
He's so transparent...Rush shouts and Trump calls begging for forgiveness. Ingraham bleeds from her "you know where" and he rushes to the pharmacy to buy the "you know what." Fox news grumbles and he runs home for his "blankey."

This shit writes itself....people in the White House can hear whimpering as they walk through the hallways. It's embarrassing! He's probably curled up in the fetal position in the middle of the Situation Room. He's such a pussy!




I heard an interesting observation that most tin pot dictatorships have subservient national tv outlets that serve and obey their leader, whereas under Der Trumpenschtupor, the US is the only country in which the national media tells the president what to do.


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Monday, December 24, 2018 6:31 AM

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Yes, those We the People folks could say they are donating there contributions to the GoFundMe page on behalf of Mexico. This way Trump gets to keep his promise.

See how that works!?


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Who thinks it would be a good idea?

If the 63 million Trump voters donate $80 each, that will equal the $5 billion Trump says he needs for the Wall. If you prefer to not pay all at this time, your payments would be only $20/yr over 4 years. Where to contribute? www.gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall also known as "We The People Will Fund The Wall"

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Monday, December 24, 2018 6:43 AM

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Well, Trump has a fairly rare opportunity to give America a Christmas gift which it most needs, if he can let the Shutdown last past Tuesday.

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Monday, December 24, 2018 11:13 AM

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Trumps weak tea effort to get what he wants. Ain't gonna happen. Click here to get what you want.

T



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Tuesday, December 25, 2018 1:06 AM

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You probably meant an Involuntary tax because there already is a voluntary tax program, established in 1843, where anyone can give a gift to the United States Treasury.



Nope. I meant voluntary. I don't know much about tax code that hasn't applied to myself or anybody else who's taxes I've done in the past. Trust me... nobody I've ever known has been interested in paying more taxes than they are required to pay even if they could afford to do so and "can I pay more taxes than I owe" has never been in a google search from my IP address.

It really seems to bother you that you have so much extra on your tax returns during the Trump administration. It also seems to bother you that the wall hasn't been funded yet either.

Now that we know there is a way for you to pay for it, by all means bud... be my guest.

Tell all of your rich friends.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, December 25, 2018 1:32 AM

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You probably meant an Involuntary tax because there already is a voluntary tax program, established in 1843, where anyone can give a gift to the United States Treasury.



Nope. I meant voluntary. I don't know much about tax code that hasn't applied to myself or anybody else who's taxes I've done in the past. Trust me... nobody I've ever known has been interested in paying more taxes than they are required to pay even if they could afford to do so and "can I pay more taxes than I owe" has never been in a google search from my IP address.

It really seems to bother you that you have so much extra on your tax returns during the Trump administration. It also seems to bother you that the wall hasn't been funded yet either.

Now that we know there is a way for you to pay for it, by all means bud... be my guest.

Tell all of your rich friends.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

What I want for Christmas 2019 is that the government is shutdown because Trump has not gotten his Wall. By then some of the 63 million who voted for Trump might realize it would be best for themselves not to vote for him in 2020.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, December 25, 2018 1:39 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
You probably meant an Involuntary tax because there already is a voluntary tax program, established in 1843, where anyone can give a gift to the United States Treasury.



Nope. I meant voluntary. I don't know much about tax code that hasn't applied to myself or anybody else who's taxes I've done in the past. Trust me... nobody I've ever known has been interested in paying more taxes than they are required to pay even if they could afford to do so and "can I pay more taxes than I owe" has never been in a google search from my IP address.

It really seems to bother you that you have so much extra on your tax returns during the Trump administration. It also seems to bother you that the wall hasn't been funded yet either.

Now that we know there is a way for you to pay for it, by all means bud... be my guest.

Tell all of your rich friends.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

What I want for Christmas 2019 is that the government is shutdown because Trump has not gotten his Wall. By then some of the 63 million who voted for Trump might realize it would be best for themselves not to vote for him in 2020.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly





What makes you think that is going to be the straw?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, December 25, 2018 8:38 AM

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What makes you think that is going to be the straw?

The straw that breaks the camel's back? Because some of those 63 million Trump voters will realize, if the shutdown goes on long enough, that Trump is NOT negotiating for the Wall, but only holding the government hostage until it dies.

I'm not sure that Trump voters in the lower 50% of the national income understand what "negotiating" means. Negotiating is not just about how many guns you bring to a fight; it is also about how many gifts you bring. If Trump offers the Democrats something valuable, say Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA), the Democrats would offer something valuable like a complete and beautiful wall. In exchange for $7 billion for the best wall ever built, the Democrats would take the 700,000 active DACA recipients being legalized by Trump. That's $10,000 per DACA.

If Trump is smart, he will insist on getting $100,000 per DACA. Then he and the Democrats can split the difference and make it $50,000, equal to $35 billion for the Wall. But I'm not sure Trump read his own book on the Art of the Deal. His ghost writer on that book was not impressed with Trump's knowledge of deal-making and the writer had to invent great stories about how smart Trump was.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_Action_for_Childhood_Arrivals

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, December 25, 2018 10:09 AM

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Man... If we could only pull out of some of the wars we've been in and redirect some of that military spending to the wall.

To those of us living on scraps, $35 Billion does sound like a lot of money. But then again, with the yearly deficit spending and the massive US Debt, it sounds like a bargain.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, December 25, 2018 10:19 AM

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Man... If we could only pull out of some of the wars we've been in and redirect some of that military spending to the wall.

To those of us living on scraps, $35 Billion does sound like a lot of money. But then again, with the yearly deficit spending and the massive US Debt, it sounds like a bargain.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Well, that is almost $110 for every man, woman, and child who answered the Census.

But with Obamanomics making a yearly habit of $Trillion Deficits on junk, pork, kickbacks & bribes, this price for the Wall certainly is a bargain.


If you had a large hole or opening in the outside Wall of your House which required $110 per occupant to repair, would you fix it, or allow uninvited guests to infiltrate?

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Tuesday, December 25, 2018 10:42 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Man... If we could only pull out of some of the wars we've been in and redirect some of that military spending to the wall.

To those of us living on scraps, $35 Billion does sound like a lot of money. But then again, with the yearly deficit spending and the massive US Debt, it sounds like a bargain.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Well, that is almost $110 for every man, woman, and child who answered the Census.

But with Obamanomics making a yearly habit of $Trillion Deficits on junk, pork, kickbacks & bribes, this price for the Wall certainly is a bargain.


If you had a large hole or opening in the outside Wall of your House which required $110 per occupant to repair, would you fix it, or allow uninvited guests to infiltrate?

The Republicans have been talking about that Wall (and not being willing to pay for the Wall) for many years. Trump has trapped himself: he has to both pay for the Wall and he has also convinced the Democrats to NOT vote for the Wall unless Trump pays them, too. He managed to double the price he will eventually pay because he has told the World that he really-really can't live without that Wall.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, December 25, 2018 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Man... If we could only pull out of some of the wars we've been in and redirect some of that military spending to the wall.

To those of us living on scraps, $35 Billion does sound like a lot of money. But then again, with the yearly deficit spending and the massive US Debt, it sounds like a bargain.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Well, that is almost $110 for every man, woman, and child who answered the Census.

But with Obamanomics making a yearly habit of $Trillion Deficits on junk, pork, kickbacks & bribes, this price for the Wall certainly is a bargain.


If you had a large hole or opening in the outside Wall of your House which required $110 per occupant to repair, would you fix it, or allow uninvited guests to infiltrate?

He managed to double the price he will eventually pay because he has told the World that he really-really can't live without that Wall.

Still a bargain. None of the wasteful Democrap spending and pork can hold a candle.

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