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Thursday, June 13, 2019 8:12 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Did you eat beans or cabbage? Is that why you're farting so much?




And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac

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Thursday, June 13, 2019 8:15 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Did you eat beans or cabbage? Is that why you're farting so much?




And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac

1kiki, everybody knows that you and Signym are fucking Russian trolls trying to prove that Democrats are no different than Republicans, but what I wrote, which you didn't understand one word of because it's not in Russian:

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Obama Admin Purged 12 Years Of ICE Speeches On Immigration Crisis Hours Before Trump Inauguration


-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

You are quoting the Daily Caller: https://dailycaller.com/2019/06/12/obama-administration-deleted-ice-sp
eeches
/

You can trace the missing ICE speeches to https://web.archive.org/web/20170118202526/https://www.ice.gov/speeche
s


Picking one speech at random: "CONCLUSION
ICE takes employee misconduct extremely seriously, and we are heavily invested in addressing these issues to ensure that ICE upholds the public trust and conducts its mission with integrity and professionalism. Thank you again for the opportunity to testify today, and I would now be pleased to answer any questions."
https://web.archive.org/web/20161221213953/https://www.ice.gov/doclib/
news/library/speeches/120801ragsdale.pdf


What a scandal! Somebody should read those speeches to discover more scandals.

Here is another scandal:"CONCLUSION
ICE is committed to promoting national security and has made significant progress in identifying and preventing terrorists from exploiting the visa process.
Thank you again for the opportunity to testify today and for your continued support of ICE and its law enforcement mission.
I would be pleased to answer any questions at this time."
https://web.archive.org/web/20161221101610/https://www.ice.gov/doclib/
news/library/speeches/120718woods.pdf


Maybe one more missing speech chosen at random will reveal the true nature of the scandal:"CONCLUSION
Thank you again for the opportunity to appear before you today to discuss our efforts to combat the money laundering threat to the United States and our response to the innovative techniques being used by TCOs.
I would be pleased to answer any questions."
https://web.archive.org/web/20161221111328/https://www.ice.gov/doclib/
news/library/speeches/120717winchell.pdf


All these ICE speeches also show in the Congressional record. The last one for example:
www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/STMT - WINCHELL-Leigh (ICE).pdf

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, June 13, 2019 8:40 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Yep, beans or cabbage.

Let me point out btw that I could probably randomly find hundreds of innocuous quotes from - say - Mein Kampf. But random innocuous quotes don't negate the damning ones also found there.

And you're too much of a fucking loser for me to bother looking, but in the past I found, posted, AND LINKED more than a dozen articles showing the Obama administration separated far more families than Trump; and that his policies were at least as bad, and even more vigorously pursued. Obama and Trump ARE the same on immigration - except Obama was worse.

You're a gasbag who farts endlessly.

And thanks for the quotable quote!
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Did you eat beans or cabbage? Is that why you're farting so much?




And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac

1kiki, everybody knows that you and Signym are fucking Russian trolls trying to prove that Democrats are no different than Republicans, but what I wrote, which you didn't understand one word of because it's not in Russian:

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Obama Admin Purged 12 Years Of ICE Speeches On Immigration Crisis Hours Before Trump Inauguration


-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

You are quoting the Daily Caller: https://dailycaller.com/2019/06/12/obama-administration-deleted-ice-sp
eeches
/

You can trace the missing ICE speeches to https://web.archive.org/web/20170118202526/https://www.ice.gov/speeche
s


Picking one speech at random: "CONCLUSION
ICE takes employee misconduct extremely seriously, and we are heavily invested in addressing these issues to ensure that ICE upholds the public trust and conducts its mission with integrity and professionalism. Thank you again for the opportunity to testify today, and I would now be pleased to answer any questions."
https://web.archive.org/web/20161221213953/https://www.ice.gov/doclib/
news/library/speeches/120801ragsdale.pdf


What a scandal! Somebody should read those speeches to discover more scandals.

Here is another scandal:"CONCLUSION
ICE is committed to promoting national security and has made significant progress in identifying and preventing terrorists from exploiting the visa process.
Thank you again for the opportunity to testify today and for your continued support of ICE and its law enforcement mission.
I would be pleased to answer any questions at this time."
https://web.archive.org/web/20161221101610/https://www.ice.gov/doclib/
news/library/speeches/120718woods.pdf


Maybe one more missing speech chosen at random will reveal the true nature of the scandal:"CONCLUSION
Thank you again for the opportunity to appear before you today to discuss our efforts to combat the money laundering threat to the United States and our response to the innovative techniques being used by TCOs.
I would be pleased to answer any questions."
https://web.archive.org/web/20161221111328/https://www.ice.gov/doclib/
news/library/speeches/120717winchell.pdf


All these ICE speeches also show in the Congressional record. The last one for example:
www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/STMT - WINCHELL-Leigh (ICE).pdf

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly






And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac

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Thursday, June 13, 2019 9:52 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Yep, beans or cabbage.

Let me point out btw that I could probably randomly find hundreds of innocuous quotes from - say - Mein Kampf. But random innocuous quotes don't negate the damning ones also found there.

And you're too much of a fucking loser for me to bother looking, but in the past I found, posted, AND LINKED more than a dozen articles showing the Obama administration separated far more families than Trump; and that his policies were at least as bad, and even more vigorously pursued. Obama and Trump ARE the same on immigration - except Obama was worse.

You're a gasbag who farts endlessly.

And thanks for the quotable quote!

And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac

1kiki, there is no "scandal" because the "missing" documents are not missing, but remain on the Congressional website and on https://archive.org/web/

It is so easy to find, 1kiki. Here is the oldest "missing" document.
https://web.archive.org/web/20161228213353/https://www.ice.gov/doclib/
news/library/speeches/0402BudgetTestimony.pdf


"Conclusion
Deterring illegal migration and combating immigration-related crime have never been more critical to our national security. The men and women of ICE are tackling this challenging mission with diligence, determined to ensure that no duty is neglected. The President’s FY 2005 Budget Request for ICE is an important step in restoring the rule of law the system of legal immigration. We are eager to work with you and the other Members of Congress to provide the American people with the level of security they demand and deserve. Thank you. I look forward to your questions."

And the second oldest document isn't "missing", either:
https://web.archive.org/web/20161221051744/https://www.ice.gov/doclib/
news/library/speeches/oppredator_030404.pdf


"MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE, thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today to discuss Operation Predator, one of the priority initiatives of the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).
In July of last year, Secretary' Ridge joined forces with John Walsh (“America’s Most Wanted”) and Ernie Allen, of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC), to launch Operation Predator, a program to target some of the most heinous criminals on our streets - those who sexually abuse children."

1kiki, nothing is "missing". There is no Obama-based scandal.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, June 13, 2019 4:11 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


THANKS for arguing a point I DIDN'T make. I didn't call it a scandal. I pointed that just because you found a few (2?) random quotes that may have been innocuous, it didn't absolve the entire contents of all the documents, nor refute Obama's damning statements already quoted. And then I pointed out that Obama's record on illegal immigrants was far worse than Trump's.

But since you couldn't even address either with facts and logic, you resorted to farting, by ignoring my actual statements, and refuting statements I never made.

Again.

You really are a gassy farter, aren't you?




And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac

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Thursday, June 13, 2019 4:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
THANKS for arguing a point I DIDN'T make. I didn't call it a scandal. I pointed that just because you found a few random quotes that may have been innocuous, it didn't absolve the entire contents of all the documents.

But since you couldn't refute either point with facts and logic, you resorted to farting. Again.

You really are a gassy farter, aren't you?

And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac

1kiki, you are a dimwit. Signym points to an untrue scandal about missing documents that are not missing: "A collection of 190 transcripts of speeches on ICE’s website was deleted on Jan. 18 and late in the evening on Jan. 19, 2017. With a couple of clicks of a mouse, access to a federal government web resource containing 12 years of primary source materials on ICE’s history was lost."

Not one word that Signym wrote was true. Signym spread a complete lie. Those documents are still available. I showed 1kiki where the documents are and even quoted from them, but 1kiki is dumber and more dishonest than even Signym is here:
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=62864&mid=10774
73#1077473


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
And then I pointed out that Obama's record on illegal immigrants was far worse than Trump's.

1kiki, you pointed to nothing, but rather just declared out of thin air something you didn't bother to prove in order to continue your signature: And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, June 13, 2019 5:32 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Here's the short and curly - find those 'non-missing' documents from Signy's post. You have everything you need. Your link, the month and year, speaker, and in one case the title.

In fact, I'll make it super easy.

Your link
https://web.archive.org/web/20170118202526/https://www.ice.gov/speeche
s


Identifying information
February 2016 Homan "Unaccompanied Minor Crisis"
May 2016 Homan (sanctuary cities)

With your superior knowledge and skills, I expect you to fetch these right quick.




And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac

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Thursday, June 13, 2019 5:46 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I have been ignoring this thread, largely because it started as a Troll thread, and I assumed it continued that way.

But now I find some pertinent posts hidden in this thread.

Here is one:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Obama Admin Purged 12 Years Of ICE Speeches On Immigration Crisis Hours Before Trump Inauguration

Hours before President Trump took office, the Obama administration scrambled to purge 12 years worth of transcripts spanning hundreds of speeches from the Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) website, according to the Daily Caller's Jason Hopkins.
An Internet Archive Wayback Machine capture of the “Speeches and Testimonies” page from late in the evening of January 19, 2017. (via the Sunlight Foundation)

A collection of 190 transcripts of speeches on ICE’s website was deleted on Jan. 18 and late in the evening on Jan. 19, 2017, according to research conducted by the Sunlight Foundation, a nonpartisan organization that advocates for government transparency. Statements made by high-ranking ICE officials regarding controversial immigration topics such as sanctuary cities, E-Verify, treatment of detainees, and other issues were included in the reported deletions. -Daily Caller

"With a couple of clicks of a mouse, access to a federal government web resource containing 12 years of primary source materials on ICE’s history was lost," wrote the Sunlight Foundation, adding that speeches dating back to 2004 were included in the purge.

The Caller notes that speeches from former acting ICE Director Thomas Homan were "prominently included in the deletion list," including a February 2016 speech in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee in which Homan discussed that "Unaccompanied Minor Crisis," which the Obama administration was grappling to manage at the southern border.

Another example cited by the Caller was a transcript from May 2016 in which Homan explained why sanctuary cities (and counties, and states) put "the public at risk," according to the report.

The Sunlight Foundation offered the following commentary to explain the purge:

"It is not inconceivable that an outgoing Democratic administration might want to avoid preserving these public stances for future scrutiny," adding "The removal of the ICE speeches collection represents the loss of a primary source history of the early days of ICE, dating back to its creation during the George W. Bush administration in 2003."




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Thursday, June 13, 2019 5:47 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Here is another:

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
"Fascistic" immigration policy continues to prevent child trafficking and child exploitation


Quote:

Monday, May 20, 2019
DNA tests reveal 30% of suspected fraudulent migrant families were unrelated

Some of the migrant families arrested at the southern border weren't actually families.

In a pilot program, approximately 30% of rapid DNA tests of immigrant adults who were suspected of arriving at the southern border with children who weren't theirs revealed the adults were not related to the children, an official involved in the system's temporary rollout who asked to be anonymous in order to speak freely told the Washington Examiner Friday.

"There’s been some concern about, 'Are they stepfathers or adopted fathers?'" the official said. "Those were not the case. In these cases, they are misrepresented as family members."

In some incidents where Immigration and Customs Enforcement told the adults they would have to take a cheek swab to verify a relationship with a minor, several admitted the child was not related and did not take the DNA test, which was designed by a U.S. company.

The pilot lasted a few days earlier this month and was used only in McAllen, Texas, and El Paso, Texas. ICE said the Department of Homeland Security would look at the results to determine if it will be part of its comprehensive solution to border issues. Homeland Security has not issued a public statement on its intentions going forward.

MORE AT https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/dn
a-tests-reveal-30-of-suspected-fraudulent-migrant-families-were-unrelated



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Thursday, June 13, 2019 6:47 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


You got those 'non-missing' documents yet, old fart?
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Here's the short and curly - find those 'non-missing' documents from Signy's post. You have everything you need. Your link, the month and year, speaker, and in one case the title.

In fact, I'll make it super easy.

Your link
https://web.archive.org/web/20170118202526/https://www.ice.gov/speeche
s


Identifying information
February 2016 Homan "Unaccompanied Minor Crisis"
May 2016 Homan (sanctuary cities)

With your superior knowledge and skills, I expect you to fetch these right quick.




And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac


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Thursday, June 13, 2019 7:55 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Here's the short and curly - find those 'non-missing' documents from Signy's post. You have everything you need. Your link, the month and year, speaker, and in one case the title.

In fact, I'll make it super easy.

Your link
https://web.archive.org/web/20170118202526/https://www.ice.gov/speeche
s


Identifying information
February 2016 Homan "Unaccompanied Minor Crisis"
May 2016 Homan (sanctuary cities)

With your superior knowledge and skills, I expect you to fetch these right quick.


And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac

You cannot really expect secondbot to understand how to use algore's interwebs, his greatest invention. Can you?

To be fair, perhaps secondbot was confused, and imagined that providing a list of broken links is the same thing as having the data that should have been present at the end of those broken links.

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Thursday, June 13, 2019 8:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
You got those 'non-missing' documents yet, old fart?
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Here's the short and curly - find those 'non-missing' documents from Signy's post. You have everything you need. Your link, the month and year, speaker, and in one case the title.

In fact, I'll make it super easy.

Your link
https://web.archive.org/web/20170118202526/https://www.ice.gov/speeche
s


Identifying information

Document 1) February 2016 Homan "Unaccompanied Minor Crisis"

Document 2) May 2016 Homan (sanctuary cities)

With your superior knowledge and skills, I expect you to fetch these right quick.




And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac


The titles that the Republicans gave to the committee hearings hints at what happened in the hearings: That Obama is a horrible president, criminally negligent, and he must be punished, at least according to highly partisan GOP Senators. It is the typical rhetorical games that Republicans always play during hearings. Somebody should rise from their seat and punch a Republican in the mouth, but it never happens and so long as it doesn’t, Republicans will keep playing the game their way.

The Unaccompanied Children Crisis: Does the Administration Have a Plan to Stop the Border Surge and Adequately Monitor the Children?
Watch the video: www.judiciary.senate.gov/meetings/the-unaccompanied-children-crisis-do
es-the-administration-have-a-plan-to-stop-the-border-surge-and-adequately-monitor-the-children


Document 1) is not missing:
www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/02-23-16 Homan Testimony.pdf
You need to cut and paste the URL because fireflyfans.net does not handle it correctly.

Declining Deportations and Increasing Criminal Alien Releases – The Lawless Immigration Policies of the Obama Administration
Watch the video: www.judiciary.senate.gov/meetings/declining-deportations-and-increasin
g-criminal-alien-releases_the-lawless-immigration-policies-of-the-obama-administration


Document 2) is not missing:
www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/05-19-16 Homan Testimony.pdf
You need to cut and paste the URL because fireflyfans.net does not handle it correctly.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, June 13, 2019 8:09 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Wrong, again, 6ix. I have a real deep hostility toward Trump-voting Texans who have hired illegal aliens.- SECOND
SECOND, the thought of deporting illegals without controlling the border makes as much sense as shoveling water uphill. The only thing that you ever posted on the topic that makes the slightest bit of sense is cracking down- HARD- on people who employ illegal aliens, because that can be done irrespective of what happens to the flow of migrants.

Post of the Year.

2018 or 2019?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Sigs posted that in 2019.

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Thursday, June 13, 2019 8:28 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted:
16-Year-Old Dies in U.S. Border Patrol Custody, the Fifth Migrant Child Death Since December
http://time.com/5592162/fifth-child-dies-ice-border-custody/

It sucks, being so right all the time about our fascist-in-chief.

Here is one showing how wrong the Reaverbot Troll is, as always.
Reading the story provides context of how the Illegal Invaders are killing themselves.

2 kids in December, receiving immediate medical attention, but unable to survive the Illegal Invasion events.

7-year old died from sepsis:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/29/us/guatemala-jakelin-caal-maquin-au
topsy/index.html


8-year old died 2 weeks later.

Then on 30 April, a 16 year old Guatelmalan boy died from Pott's puffy tumor, having been given immediate medical treatment after Illegally Invading:
https://time.com/5587817/juan-de-leon-gutierrez-guatemala-migrant/

Week of 13 May, a 2-year old was also given immediate medical attention after the MOTHER noticed the child was sick.

This 5th one was 20 May. Following backlogs resulting from fascist Liberals broadcasting to Illegal Invaders to overwhelm the Border Patrol forces.

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Thursday, June 13, 2019 9:34 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Do you remember that you posted this?
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
You can trace the missing ICE speeches to https://web.archive.org/web/20170118202526/https://www.ice.gov/speeche
s

So I challenged you -
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Here's the short and curly - find those 'non-missing' documents from Signy's post. You have everything you need. Your link, the month and year, speaker, and in one case the title.

In fact, I'll make it super easy.

Your link
https://web.archive.org/web/20170118202526/https://www.ice.gov/speeche
s


Identifying information

Document 1) February 2016 Homan "Unaccompanied Minor Crisis"

Document 2) May 2016 Homan (sanctuary cities)

With your superior knowledge and skills, I expect you to fetch these right quick.




And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac

And did you find them there, at your link? No, you did not. Do you want to know how I know? Because I checked myself. In fact, I checked to see how many were completely gone from that link, and stopped counting at 60 out of 190.

To find them you had to dig out original material from elsewhere - senate.gov - not from what is SUPPOSED to be a secondary archive of transcripts. And one of your links isn't even a transcript, it's a video.

So, what do I conclude?

The government deleted 190 transcripts from their original location at ICE https://www.ice.gov/speeches, as the article said. How do I know? I went to the link and searched for those transcripts on the ICE website.

And a secondary government archive of those transcripts had more than 60 deleted from the record in a very selective way, including the two missing ones I challenged you to find (and of course, you didn't find them there).

At least one transcript appears to have been scrubbed entirely from the government's record, with only the raw video of the topic surviving (hopefully - how do we know?) on the SENATE website.


So let me ask you this, old fart? Were those speeches scrubbed from the ICE website as the article claimed? Can you trace all those missing ICE speeches to a secondary https://web.archive.org/web/20170118202526/https://www.ice.gov/speeche
s
as you claimed?

The answers are simple, if you answer truthfully.




And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac

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Thursday, June 13, 2019 10:06 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
A bunch of verbiage that shows 1kiki'd have a hard time finding documents unless somebody neatly arranged them for 1kiki. 1kiki's whole argument does not amount to a hill of beans in America or Russia.
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hill%20of%20beans

Document 1) is not missing:
www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/02-23-16%20Homan%20Testimony.pd
f


Document 2) is not missing:
www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/05-19-16%20Homan%20Testimony.pd
f


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, June 13, 2019 10:33 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So let me ask you this, old fart?

Were those speeches scrubbed from the ICE website as the article claimed?

Can you trace all those missing ICE speeches to a secondary https://web.archive.org/web/20170118202526/https://www.ice.gov/speeche
s
as you claimed?


The answers are simple, if you answer truthfully.




And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac


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Thursday, June 13, 2019 10:44 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Parents who cross this border illegally with kids in tow kill their kids.

Period.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, June 13, 2019 11:43 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Parents who cross this border illegally with kids in tow kill their kids.

Period.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Quite fascistic of you.

You don't know the law, and you're also really stupid. You're exactly who Trump can control.

You won't be missed.

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Thursday, June 13, 2019 11:50 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Aaaaaaaaaaabd, once again the bot proves it has extremely limited programming.

I could say BOO! and it would respond with some pre-programmed trolling about Russia. I could re-derive E=mc^2 and it would respond with some pre-programmed trolling about Russia. I could post about any topic in between and it would respond with some pre-programmed trolling about Russia.

It sure is a stupid bot.




And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac

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Friday, June 14, 2019 1:18 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Parents who cross this border illegally with kids in tow kill their kids.

Period.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, June 20, 2019 11:40 AM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Parents who cross this border illegally with kids in tow kill their kids.

Period.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The stupid never ends with you.

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Thursday, June 20, 2019 11:42 AM

REAVERFAN


Pulled from other thread discussing concentration camps:

I have just gotten off the phone with a friend who is a legal volunteer in Border Patrol facilities.

Don't look away.

My friend has done two tours now volunteering as a legal advocate inside CBP facilities.

She passed along information about what is happening there that indicates that the Trump Administration is violating every basic human right, and is moving toward military "solutions."

So that folks understand the process: CBP has outposts on the border. Refugees seeking asylum travel hundreds of miles on foot, including with infants and small children, and turn themselves in at these outposts on foot.

Here's what happens next. Don't look away.

CBP then transfers these human beings to a facility called "the Dog Pound." (Here, my friend started crying.)

The "Dog Pound" is comprised of cages, outside and on dirt, with no protection from the elements.

Don't look away.

There are dozens of teen moms there.

There is no baby food.

While there, my friend saw a CBP agent take a baby from her teenage mother, strip the baby of its clothes, hand the baby back to the mother, and send them outside to the "Dog Pound" to sleep in the dirt.

The "Dog Pound" has no running water, no covers, no tarp, no care, no safety from the elements. It is freezing at night, and deathly hot during the day.

Everyone is sick. My friend said she saw a baby on this trip that was so sick "I thought it would be dead by morning."

Toddlers in the "Dog Pound" who had been eating solid food are given only infant formula. Moms are trying to start breast feeding again so their children don't starve.

These moms are dehydrated, sick, & have walked miles through desert with no water. CBP gives them nothing.

It gets worse. Don't look away.

From the "Dog Pound," these human beings are moved to an area called "The Freezer."

The Freezer is kept at 55 degrees.

Some of the refugees who are moved there are still wet from their journey, and are put in The Freezer wet.

CBP is keeping human beings in "The Freezer" for weeks at a time. WEEKS.

Including critically ill people, disabled people, sick children, teenage mothers with babies.

The floor of The Freezer is made of dirt or very rough concrete. There are no beds.

Keep reading.

From "The Freezer," refugees are supposed to be moved to ICE facilities that are designed for residential care. They have beds, food, bathrooms.

However, (keep reading) THOSE FACILITIES ARE EMPTY.

ICE IS SHUTTING THEM DOWN.

Don't look away.

What our government is doing instead is moving refugees to MILITARY INSTALLATIONS.

The announcement about Fort Sill, which was used as a Japanese internment camp, is only the start.

So why would our government be doing this?

Here's why

These concentration camps (let's call them what they are) will be under the control of the Department of Homeland Security, but within the Department of Defense.

Unlike ICE facilities, which allow site inspectors inside, there will be no inspection of military-run camps.

The military will be able to deny access to anyone it chooses. No media. No oversight.

Lawyers will not be allowed in. Human rights monitors will not be allowed in.

The camps will also be protected airspace, meaning that no drones can fly over them to take pictures of what's going on inside.

The Trump administration will be able to conduct itself in whatever way it wants to without anyone knowing what's going on inside.

Think about what that means. Think about why they would want that.

This is happening RIGHT NOW.

ICE facilities with beds and food are EMPTY, because the Trump administration is moving refugees into military-run concentration camps where they can do ANYTHING THEY CHOOSE without oversight, media scrutiny or advocate access.

This administration is already committing atrocities at CBP facilities.

Border Patrol agents at the facility where my friend was working refer to these human beings as "bodies." Not people. "Bodies."

They are denying medicine, toilets, beds, food, shelter and clothes.

My friend said that "Flores is on very tenuous ground."

We're days away from being met with "we're not going to let you in, no matter what."

What is coming is crimes against humanity.

America is already perpetrating mass human rights violations, and this administration is setting it up so they can do far worse, in secret, under military supervision.

Military forces are already been shifted to CBP. My friend saw coast guard agents (read that again) working for CBP at this facility.

If we do nothing, there will be blood on our hands.

If Pelosi does nothing, there will be blood on her hands and the hands of every Democrat who refuses to act to end this administration's reign.

Fascism is here.

If this enrages you, devastates you, frightens you, share this thread.

Then call your member of Congress and read it to them.

Then call @SpeakerPelosi and ask her why she sits silently by as our government does this.

We're on a fast train to hell.

There's only one way to stop it.

Trump must be removed from power immediately, by any legal means, using every weapon in our arsenal.

This is where we are. This is WHO we are.

Look reality in the face. Don't look away.

Fight like human life depends on it.

It does. It does. It does.

How anyone with a shred of empathy can read that and not be moved is beyond me.

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Thursday, June 20, 2019 11:46 AM

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ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ DEFENDS CONCENTRATION CAMP COMMENTS: 'HISTORY WILL BE KIND TO THOSE WHO STOOD UP TO THIS INJUSTICE'
https://www.newsweek.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-concentration-camps-
migrants-southern-border-academics-1444953

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Thursday, June 20, 2019 11:48 AM

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WHAT IS A CONCENTRATION CAMP? EXPERTS AGREE WITH ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ ON BORDER FACILITIES
https://www.newsweek.com/concentration-camps-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-
trump-border-1444843

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Thursday, June 20, 2019 11:53 AM

REAVERFAN


DHS ripped 1000s of children from their parents & put them in cages w inhumane conditions.

They call their cells “dog pounds” & “freezers.”

I will never apologize for calling these camps what they are.

If that makes you uncomfortable, fight the camps - not the nomenclature.

What’s worse, Congress has asked DHS for documents on the whereabouts of children taken from their parents.

We‘ve asked for details & records on camp conditions.

DHS has refused to cooperate or provide Congress w/ the requested information.

Why doesn’t that concern @HouseGOP?
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1141392943787520001

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Thursday, June 20, 2019 1:15 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Pulled from other thread discussing concentration camps:

I have just gotten off the phone with a friend who is a legal volunteer in Border Patrol facilities.

Don't look away.

My friend has done two tours now volunteering as a legal advocate inside CBP facilities.

And blah blah blah blah ...

This is uncredited from a tweet with a link from Elizabeth C. McLaughlin. And who IS Elizabeth C. McLaughlin? She's "Described as a “celebrated career coach” and “fearless entrepreneur,” Elizabeth Cronise McLaughlin is the CEO of Gaia Project Consulting, LLC ..."

Whatever.




And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac

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Thursday, June 20, 2019 1:29 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Pulled from other thread discussing concentration camps:

I have just gotten off the phone with a friend who is a legal volunteer in Border Patrol facilities.

Don't look away.

My friend has done two tours now volunteering as a legal advocate inside CBP facilities.

And blah blah blah blah ...

This is uncredited from a tweet with a link from Elizabeth C. McLaughlin. And who IS Elizabeth C. McLaughlin? She's "Described as a “celebrated career coach” and “fearless entrepreneur,” Elizabeth Cronise McLaughlin is the CEO of Gaia Project Consulting, LLC ..."

Whatever.




And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac

You sure as fuck don't know shit, troll.

No one cares what a Russian loser has to say.

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Thursday, June 20, 2019 1:37 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Whatever.




And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac

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Thursday, June 20, 2019 1:38 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Meanwhile
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Pulled from other thread discussing concentration camps:

I have just gotten off the phone with a friend who is a legal volunteer in Border Patrol facilities.

Don't look away.

My friend has done two tours now volunteering as a legal advocate inside CBP facilities.

And blah blah blah blah ...

This is uncredited from a tweet with a link from Elizabeth C. McLaughlin. And who IS Elizabeth C. McLaughlin? She's "Described as a “celebrated career coach” and “fearless entrepreneur,” Elizabeth Cronise McLaughlin is the CEO of Gaia Project Consulting, LLC ..."

Whatever.




And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac


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Thursday, June 20, 2019 6:54 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Meanwhile
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Pulled from other thread discussing concentration camps:

I have just gotten off the phone with a friend who is a legal volunteer in Border Patrol facilities.

Don't look away.

My friend has done two tours now volunteering as a legal advocate inside CBP facilities.

And blah blah blah blah ...

This is uncredited from a tweet with a link from Elizabeth C. McLaughlin. And who IS Elizabeth C. McLaughlin? She's "Described as a “celebrated career coach” and “fearless entrepreneur,” Elizabeth Cronise McLaughlin is the CEO of Gaia Project Consulting, LLC ..."

Whatever.




And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac


She knows a lot more about everything in the world than a low IQ Russian troll.

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Thursday, June 20, 2019 7:37 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Parents who cross this border illegally with kids in tow kill their kids.

Period.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, June 20, 2019 9:23 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
really bad programming that can't spit out much more than ... Russian ... Nazi ... troll ... chosen at random






And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac

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Thursday, June 20, 2019 10:00 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
really bad programming that can't spit out much more than ... Russian ... Nazi ... troll ... chosen at random






And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac

You're busted, Russian troll.

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Thursday, June 20, 2019 10:00 PM

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Report: Hundreds of migrant children held in Texas without proper food, water or medical attention
Lawyers told the Associated Press that a group of 250 children were living in dangerous and unsanitary conditions at a migrant detention facility outside of El Paso.
https://www.texastribune.org/2019/0...thout-proper-food-water-or-medic
al-attention
/

A group of 250 infants, children and teens has reportedly spent 27 days without adequate food, water and sanitation at a U.S. Border Patrol facility near El Paso, according to the Associated Press.

Several attorneys who visited the station said they found at least 15 children sick with the flu, some of whom were being kept in medical quarantine. They described seeing a sick and diaper-less 2-year-old boy whose “shirt was smeared in mucus.” Three girls, from the ages of 10 to 15, were taking turns watching him.

The allegedly dangerous and unsanitary conditions reported from inside the El Paso-area shelter are just some of the many accusations that have surfaced from detention facilities in recent months. In June, the Office of Inspector General released a reportdetailing concerns about detainee treatment at four Immigration and Customs Enforcement facilities across the country. Inspectors found nooses in cells, expired food and inadequate medical care in California, New Jersey, Louisiana and Colorado.

“These are not independent, isolated incidents,” Fernando Garcia, the executive director of the Border Network for Human Rights, told The Texas Tribune late Thursday. “These are part of a major strategy that is violating the rights of children and families.”

Fascists love their concentration camps.

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Thursday, June 20, 2019 10:23 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
really bad programming that can't spit out much more than ... Russian ... Nazi ... troll ... chosen at random


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
really bad programming that can't spit out much more than ... Russian ... Nazi ... troll ... chosen at random


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Friday, June 21, 2019 12:04 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Parents who cross this border illegally with kids in tow kill their kids.

Period.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Yes, exactly. The parents' thoughtless and selfish decision to drag their kids with them for hundreds or thousands of miles without proper food, shelter, and medicine are guilty of reckless and severe child abuse. They should all be locked up in prison and have their children taken from them, just like CPS does every day in every city in America. No wonder the kids arrive in the US with malnutrition, the flu and other maladies. They get great compassionate medical care here and anyone saying differently is nothing but a gorram liar.

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Friday, June 21, 2019 2:34 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I got to wondering about this because of the tourist deaths in the DR. I wouldn't be surprised if the CDC was running stats on death rates for the appropriate population. You know, so many people are just going to up and die each year, whether they're on vacation or not. For the record, I have no opinion either way about that situation.

But when it comes to child deaths of illegal immigrants, as a rough comparator, I looked up 'guatemala death rate young children per 100,000' and got this: "Guatemala - Under-five mortality rate In 2017, child mortality rate for Guatemala was 27.6 deaths per 1,000 live births."

There were appx 333,000 'family units'* crossing the border so far hits year, and I'm estimating 1/4 of them were young children, or about 84,000 young children. If they were at the normal Guatemalan mortality rate, over 200 would have died in US custody. * https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration The LATimes reports 6 children have died in US custody so far this year.

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Friday, June 21, 2019 2:43 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Report: Hundreds of migrant children held in Texas without proper food, water or medical attention
Lawyers told the Associated Press that a group of 250 children were living in dangerous and unsanitary conditions at a migrant detention facility outside of El Paso.
https://www.texastribune.org/2019/0...thout-proper-food-water-or-medic
al-attention
/

A group of 250 infants, children and teens has reportedly spent 27 days without adequate food, water and sanitation at a U.S. Border Patrol facility near El Paso, according to the Associated Press.

Several attorneys who visited the station said they found at least 15 children sick with the flu, some of whom were being kept in medical quarantine. They described seeing a sick and diaper-less 2-year-old boy whose “shirt was smeared in mucus.” Three girls, from the ages of 10 to 15, were taking turns watching him.

OMG!!!! They had THE FLU!!! Some were kept in MEDICAL QUARANTINE!!! OH, THE HORROR!

All I can say is ... if it's so much worse than where they came from, maybe they should leave those "concentration camps" and go back home.


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Friday, June 21, 2019 8:12 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Parents who cross this border illegally with kids in tow kill their kids.

Period.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Yes, exactly. The parents' thoughtless and selfish decision to drag their kids with them for hundreds or thousands of miles without proper food, shelter, and medicine are guilty of reckless and severe child abuse. They should all be locked up in prison and have their children taken from them, just like CPS does every day in every city in America. No wonder the kids arrive in the US with malnutrition, the flu and other maladies. They get great compassionate medical care here and anyone saying differently is nothing but a gorram liar.



That's the only reply anybody should even post in this thread.

There is no discussion to be had on the issue at all.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, June 21, 2019 2:06 PM

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Idiocy proven, repeatedly. ^ Dumbest fuck on here, and all you trolls are stupid as fuck. You don't know shit about anything, and you never will, due to your lead paint-eating low IQ.

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Friday, June 21, 2019 2:07 PM

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Detained migrant children got no toothbrush, no soap, no sleep. It’s no problem, government argues.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/06/21/detained-migrant-chil
dren-no-toothbrush-soap-sleep/?noredirect=on&utm_source=reddit.com&utm_term=.796fcb90252e


Remember, Trump is a fascist. The cruelty and abuse are what it's all about to you smooth brains.

Jack's tiny 2" pee pee is totally erect, thinking about suffering kids.

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Friday, June 21, 2019 2:45 PM

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Psychologist John Gartner: "Two years ago I compared Trump to Hitler. People didn't believe me"
Trump's presidency is a "coup in process," says Gartner. There may not be "another free and fair election"
https://www.salon.com/2019/06/21/psychiatrist-john-gartner-two-years-a
go-i-compared-trump-to-hitler-people-didnt-believe-me
/

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Friday, June 21, 2019 2:46 PM

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Trump Bets We’ll Stop Caring About Migrant Kids
One year ago, Trump outlawed family separation. It hasn’t stopped.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/21/opinion/family-separation-trump-mig
rants.html

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Friday, June 21, 2019 3:12 PM

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The guy who hates other peoples' kids now in charge of interning them
https://www.opednews.com/articles/The-guy-who-hates-other-pe-by-Wayne-
Madsen-American-Foreign-Policy_Children_Dept-Of-Homeland-Security_Immigrants-190621-177.html


Donald Trump has installed far-right Christian fundamentalist stalwart Ken Cuccinelli as acting director of the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), which is part of the Department of Homeland Security. Cuccinelli, a former Attorney General of Virginia and failed Republican candidate for governor of the Old Dominion, was appointed to his present position with the strong backing of Trump's immigration policy adviser, Stephen Miller.


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Friday, June 21, 2019 8:31 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK



Parents who cross this border illegally with kids in tow kill their kids.

Period.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, June 22, 2019 7:46 AM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Parents who cross this border illegally with kids in tow kill their kids.

Period.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Please stop proving how stupid you are.
We get it.

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Saturday, June 22, 2019 7:46 AM

REAVERFAN


4 Severely Ill Migrant Toddlers Hospitalized After Lawyers Visit Border Patrol Facility
The kids were unresponsive, feverish and vomiting, yet receiving no medical care, according to lawyers.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/four-severely-ill-migrant-babies-hospit
alized-after-lawyers-visited-border-patrol-facility_n_5d0d3bbce4b07ae90d9cfe4f

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Saturday, June 22, 2019 7:48 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Parents who cross this border illegally with kids in tow kill their kids.

Period.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, June 22, 2019 9:27 AM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Parents who cross this border illegally with kids in tow kill their kids.

Period.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Why are you so stupid? Head injury? Illiteracy? Paint chips?

Or did all that alcohol fry your wet brain?

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