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Trump's border wall -- how much it will actually cost according to a statistician

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Friday, January 11, 2019 11:49 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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You need to post a large sign on your front yard. Must say "We have no locks or weapons in this building" in at least 2 languages.
Why? Do we post "Illegal immigrants welcome" on OUR border? Do we post "We have no walls?" on OUR border? I mean, what "migrants welcome" sign do WE have on our border, exactly?

The actual equivalent would be a series of CA laws ... to house the homeless for example ... that made it extremely difficult to evict anyone who was squatting in your home uninvited. THAT would be a more exact analogy to our border situation.


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Friday, January 11, 2019 11:55 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

You need to post a large sign on your front yard. Must say "We have no locks or weapons in this building" in at least 2 languages.
Why? Do we post "Illegal immigrants welcome" on OUR border? Do we post "We have no walls?" on OUR border? I mean, what "migrants welcome" sign do WE have on our border, exactly?

Because most folk, and Criminals, will assume that locks are present in a building. The Border without barrier can plainly be visibly obvious.
Absence of Wall, having No Walls IS the sign saying We Have No Walls.

I did not say post a sign saying Criminals welcome, or intruders welcome, or homeless welcome, or thieves welcome.

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Friday, January 11, 2019 11:59 AM

SIGNYM

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OK, I get it.

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Friday, January 11, 2019 12:27 PM

SIGNYM

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Check this out: BLUE COLLAR LOGIC

This is one of the "deplorables" that Hillary talked about.




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Friday, January 11, 2019 12:48 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Reposted for top of the page reference.


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Texas Lt Governor says only 200 miles of Border Wall needed in TX.
From Brownsville to Falcon Lake.

He is also a big supporter of Trump.



Wikipedia says there are 48 legal crossings on the Mexico land Border.
Ferry - 1 in TX.
Railroad - 8. 2 in CA, 1 in AZ, 5 in TX.

Road: 50. 9 in CA, 9 in AZ, 3 in NM, 29 in TX.
Not sure why the numbers don't add up. Maybe Libtard Wiki used Libtard Maths for cyphering, or Wiki is not well versed in American English.


CA has 140 miles of Border.
AZ has 373 miles.
NM has 180 miles.
TX has 1,241 miles.

Total 1,934 miles.

If 1,040 miles of Texas Border really doesn't need a Wall, and 14 miles in CA already has one, that leaves 880 miles.
Not sure where that 130 miles of natural barrier are located. But apparently not along this 200 mile stretch in TX.
Of the 654 miles already built under Bush, if 200 were already in TX, then about 450 are elsewhere.
So 450 miles of existing Wall, plus 130 miles of natural barrier, subtracted from 880 miles, leaves only 300 miles of Wall needed. If that 1,000 miles in TX is really not needed.

In NM, 180 miles with 3 crossings averages 60 miles between. And AZ with 373 miles and 9 crossings averages 42 miles between. That first kid who died crossed at a point 80 minutes away from the nearest Border Unit, which means the others are closer together.
I'll look at that data closer.


The 2006 Secure Fence Act, compromised in 2007 by Kay Bailey Hutchinson so that it wouldn't be built.
1. 20 mile fence, centered on Tecate CA.
2. Fence, from 10 miles west of Calexico CA to 5 miles east of Douglas AZ.
3. From 5 miles west of Columbus NM to 10 miles east of El Paso TX.
4. From 5 miles northwest of Del Rio TX to 5 miles southeast of Eagle Pass TX.
5. From 15 miles northwest of Laredo TX to Brownsville TX Port of Entry.

A 2017 GAO Report indicated from FY2010 - FY2015 about 9,300 breaches of Obama's flimsy fence had occurred. Or average 1,550 per year. Which indicates Illegal Aliens are not trying so much to go around, and that the fences are in the right places.
The Secure Fence Act of 2006 authorized and funded 700 miles of fence, but Obama only built 654 miles of "barrier" of which most could be walked through.


Listing the crossings:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_bor
der_crossings


PedWest - San Ysidro, San Diego
San Ysidro - San Ysidro
San Ysidro Pedestrian
Tijuana Intl Airport - San Diego
Otay Mesa - San Diego
Tecate - Tecate, CA
Calexico West - Calexico CA
Calexico East - Calexico CA
Andrade - Andrade CA

San Luis - San Luis AZ
San Luis II - San Luis AZ
Lukeville - Lukeville Az
Sasabe - Sasabe AZ
Nogales-Mariposa - Nogales AZ
Nogales-Grand Avenue - Nogales AZ
Nogales-Marley Gate - Nogales AZ
Naco - Naco AZ
Douglas - Douglas AZ

Antelope Wells - Antelope Wells NM
Columbus - Columbus NM
Santa Teresa - Santa Teresa NM

El Paso-PDN - El Paso TX
El Paso-Stanton - El Paso
El Paso-BOTA - El Paso
El Paso-Ysleta - El Paso
Tornillo - Tornillo TX
Fort Hancock - Fort Hancock TX
Presidio - Presidio TX
Boquillas - Big Bend TX
Amistad DAm - Del Rio TX
Del Rio - Del Rio TX
Eagle Pass - Eagle Pass TX
Eagle Pass II - Eagle Pass TX
Laredo-Columbia Solidarity - Latredo TX
Laredo-World Trade - Laredo TX
Laredo Bridge 1 - Laredo TX
Laredo-Juarez/Lincoln - Laredo TX
Falcon Dam - Falcon Heights TX
Roma - Roma TX
Rio Grande City - Rio Grande City TX
Los Ebanos - Los Ebanos TX
Anzalduas - Mission TX
Hidalgo - Hidalgo TX
Pharr - Pharr TX
Donna - Donna TX
Progreso - Progreso TX
Los Indios - Los Indios TX
Brownville-B&M - Brownsville TX
Brownsville-Gateway - Brownsville TX
Brownsville-Veterans - Brownsville TX


San Miguel Gate is for Native Americans only, Sells AZ


1993 Fence is 14 miles. (5 San Diego crossings)
2006 Fence #1 is 20 miles. (Tecate CA crossing)
2006 Fence #2 is at least 375 miles. It is 360 miles from Calexico to Douglas, and 422 by car. This Fence ends about 25 miles from New Mexico, so spans about 350 miles of AZ. (12 crossings, 3 CA and 9 AZ)
2006 Fence #3 is at least 95 miles, or maybe 117 miles. It is 80 miles from Columbus NM to El Paso. Columbus is about 60 miles of Border from Texas. This leaves about 115 miles of NM, and about 140 miles between Douglas AZ and Columbus without fence, with 1 crossing at Antelope Wells. (Spans 6 crossings, 2 NM and 4 Texas). Tornillo TX is about 17 (or 39) miles east of El Paso, so is not covered by the description of this fence. Distance from Tornillo to Columbus is 95 miles, or 115 by car.
2006 Fence #4 is about 65 miles. It is 52 miles from Del Rio to Eagle Pass, and 55 by car. (4 crossings)
2006 Fence #5 is at least 180 miles. It is 166 miles from Laredo to Brownsville, or 203 by car. Falcon Lake Dam is about 69 miles southeast of Laredo (82 by car), and according to Lt Governor Dan Patrick is the extent of what is needed, which is less than 200 miles from The Gulf at Brownsville. Falcon Dam to Brownsville is 113 miles, and 129 by car. This would indicate the described Fence would be 180-220 miles, fully encompassing the 200 mile stretch which is now claimed to be needed. (17 crossings)

We might presume that the 700 miles of Fence in the 2006 SFA included 20 miles (#1) + 375 (#2) + 95/117 (#3) + 65 (#4) + 180/220 (#5) = 735/797 miles.
Or maybe 20 + 365 + 85 + 60 + 170 = 700.
Seems a bit unclear.


With about 65-110 miles of fence bordering CA, this leaves about 30-75 miles of CA Border unfenced, not near a legal crossing. Wiki also says Calexico is about 122 miles from San Diego and 62 miles from Yuma, which adds to 184, more than the stated 140 mile Border.

About 140 miles between Fence #2 and #3, unfenced.

Laredo to Eagle Pass is 102 miles, or 117 by car. So the unfenced span is about 82 miles between Fence #4 and #5.

75 + 140 + 82 = ~300/miles unfenced. Of the 1,166 miles agreed which has no Wall, simple subtraction indicates about 865 miles is unfenced between Fence #3 and Fence #4.
Subtracting another way, of the 1,241 miles of Texas Border, about 35 is in Fence #3, 65 is in Fence #4, 180 is in Fence #5. Leaving about 960 miles unfenced. About 82 is between Fence #4 and Fence #5, leaving about 880 miles unfenced between Fence #3 and Fence #4.


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Friday, January 11, 2019 1:59 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Check this out: BLUE COLLAR LOGIC

This is one of the "deplorables" that Hillary talked about.




No he isn't. He's just wrong. "This problem would have been solved long ago...." which he is referring to immigrants, both illegal and legal, doing manual services labor in Cali, and Asian immigrants (Indian, Paki, other) doing a lot of the 24-7 quickie mart employment. First: why is that a problem? White people can't or don't want to do those jobs? White people are so upset because laying sod doesn't pay enough for them to live in a $2000 a month apartment? That's it in a nutshell - white folk like 6 would rather live cheap than "lower themselves to work" those jobs. FINE! Why is that a problem? You want hand outs for lazy white people? That's kind of one of the founding principles of this country: "you work hard you get rewarded. You bitch, whine and complain: f*ck you." I'm sure T Jeff said it a bit differtently, but that's essentially the gist of it.

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Monday, February 11, 2019 10:44 AM

SIGNYM

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Dems Border Proposal "Making This Entire Country A Sanctuary" For Illegals

Authored by Sara Carter,

Negotiations over securing and building a border wall have reached an impasse Sunday as bipartisan talks are failing and both sides are edging closer to a government shutdown this Friday. Further, Democrats are pushing to weaken Immigration and Customs Enforcement, proposing drastic limitations on beds and weakening the agencies effectiveness to hold criminal illegal immigrants, said Tom Homan, former ICE Director.

Border Patrol agents apprehend illegal immigrants in the Rio Grande Valley sector, 2014.McAllen, Texas. (Photo: Sara Carter)

He told SaraACarter.com Sunday that the proposal is a serious security issue that is unacceptable.

“The Dems proposal will result in tens of thousands of criminal aliens and other illegal aliens that are currently detained pending a court hearing or removal to be released into our communities,” said Homan.

He noted the proposals are “making this entire country a sanctuary.”

It will result in “a rush to the border because incoming aliens will know there is no consequence for their actions,” Homan added.

“As I have said all year, the Dems may not abolish ICE but they will cripple them and make them ineffective by severely harming their operational budget.”


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-10/dems-border-proposal-making-
entire-country-sanctuary-illegals



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Monday, February 11, 2019 10:47 AM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

First: why is that a problem? White people can't or don't want to do those jobs? White people are so upset because laying sod doesn't pay enough for them to live in a $2000 a month apartment?
No, it's because cheap illegal labor is used to drive down wages in the USA.

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Why is that a problem? You want hand outs for lazy white people?

a) You're racist
b) No, YOU want handouts for lazy ... anyone who isn't white! That's why you support AOC.

Me? I just want a more even playing field between the elite (of any color) and everyone else (of any color). Because America really IS an oligarchy!

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Monday, February 11, 2019 11:36 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

First: why is that a problem? White people can't or don't want to do those jobs? White people are so upset because laying sod doesn't pay enough for them to live in a $2000 a month apartment?
No, it's because cheap illegal labor is used to drive down wages in the USA.



Heh! Ask your boy Drump with the underground feeder system of illegals about that one! Burn! You support what you're against... huh?

Quote:

Why is that a problem? You want hand outs for lazy white people?

SIGHOLE) You're racist
A) No, you're a racist - you hate anyone who isn't white. < / equallystupidsnark >. Those were questions I asked YOU, not statements, in case understanding matters.

SIGHOLE) No, YOU want handouts for lazy ... anyone who isn't white! That's why you support AOC.
B) Support her how? Sorry toots, ^making sh*t up is just another kind lying, which you excel at.

^Setting the record straight above A, B, fwiw. I can't remember the last time you were right about anything.

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Monday, February 11, 2019 12:00 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Dems Border Proposal "Making This Entire Country A Sanctuary" For Illegals

Authored by Sara Carter,

Negotiations over securing and building a border wall have reached an impasse Sunday as bipartisan talks are failing and both sides are edging closer to a government shutdown this Friday. Further, Democrats are pushing to weaken Immigration and Customs Enforcement, proposing drastic limitations on beds and weakening the agencies effectiveness to hold criminal illegal immigrants, said Tom Homan, former ICE Director.

Border Patrol agents apprehend illegal immigrants in the Rio Grande Valley sector, 2014.McAllen, Texas. (Photo: Sara Carter)

He told SaraACarter.com Sunday that the proposal is a serious security issue that is unacceptable.

“The Dems proposal will result in tens of thousands of criminal aliens and other illegal aliens that are currently detained pending a court hearing or removal to be released into our communities,” said Homan.

He noted the proposals are “making this entire country a sanctuary.”

It will result in “a rush to the border because incoming aliens will know there is no consequence for their actions,” Homan added.

“As I have said all year, the Dems may not abolish ICE but they will cripple them and make them ineffective by severely harming their operational budget.”


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-10/dems-border-proposal-making-
entire-country-sanctuary-illegals


Good post.
That Sara Carter spreads a lot of information.

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Thursday, October 28, 2021 12:21 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Left Unchecked, Biden’s Border Crisis Will Become The New Normal ... and Permanent!

https://thefederalist.com/2021/10/27/left-unchecked-bidens-border-cris
is-will-become-the-new-normal
/

Hum Trafficking, Drug Running, rapes, Exploitation?

Biden Is Too Busy for Border, But Not for Ice Cream
https://thehayride.com/2021/10/crouere-bidens-too-busy-for-the-border-
but-not-for-ice-cream
/

125,000 children have shown up alone at border on Biden's watch
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/125-000-children-have-shown-up
-alone-at-border-on-bidens-watch

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Thursday, October 28, 2021 3:52 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



There are few things one can say are a result of the Biden* administration alone. Most problems are a result of multi-decade bipartisan efforts. But the 'border hordes' is one of those problems the Biden* administration can take full and sole credit for.

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Saturday, October 30, 2021 4:36 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


You guys are obviously out of the loop.

All of this is Bush's fault. At least, one of the Bushes. Get with the narrative already.

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