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Mueller Investigation Is Over / Part two are the trials. Hey Jack, I Was Right. 20 Plus Russians Charged, 19 Of Trumps People Convicted of Felonies.

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Thursday, February 10, 2022 10:02 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Yes. Please. I agree.

Come out and finally tell all the Leftist idiots that you've got nothing and you never had anything.



You know that's not going to happen, Second.

Of course they're just going to let this fade into obscurity.

The Legacy Media and Democrats will never have to answer for what they've done, and you will never get closure.

The most famous example of never getting closure was Aaron Burr murdering Alexander Hamilton. What Burr did was illegal as hell in both New Jersey (where Burr shot Hamilton) and in New York (where Hamilton died). But neither New Jersey nor New York charged Burr with anything. Each state wanted the other to bring Burr to justice. The result? No justice. Burr kept right on being Burr, free as a bird.

Prosecutors are afraid of being humiliated by powerful defendants such as Burr. Or Trump. You practically have to put a gun to the head of a prosecutor to force them to drag a rich, powerful man into court and then jail. The exceptions? The rich man either confesses, or as in Jeffrey Epstein's case, the media does all the gathering of evidence, in which case prosecution is easy.

Only poor men, on the other hand, are what prosecutors want to prosecute because the poor can't fight back, which makes easy work for a prosecutor. Prosecutors almost always win those cases, while they lose cases very often against the rich and powerful. That is the beauty of the jury system. There is often some jackass jurors who won't convict a rich man with elegantly arguing attorneys defending him.

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Dissemble all you'd like but it's not going to change the fact that this is just going to disappear because there was nothing there to begin with.

Or at least it would if it wasn't Trump. He's not going to let them let it go.



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Thursday, February 10, 2022 10:13 AM

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Dissemble all you'd like but it's not going to change the fact that this is just going to disappear because there was nothing there to begin with.

Or at least it would if it wasn't Trump. He's not going to let them let it go.

While President Trump was in office, staff in the White House residence periodically discovered wads of printed paper clogging a toilet — and believed the president had flushed pieces of paper. Why it matters: it adds a vivid new dimension to Trump's lapses in preserving government documents.

Trump routinely tore up documents and after leaving office brought substantial written materials back to Mar-a-Lago.

A Trump spokesman didn't respond to a request for comment about the plumbing matter.
https://www.axios.com/maggie-haberman-book-trump-papers-2d59d593-8b89-
4edd-8623-8ef709af524f.html


6ix, not unimportantly, but it is a crime to destroy Presidential documents. Trump won't be charged because his lawyers will argue that as President he can destroy documents, except there is no exception in the actual law for the President. If a prosecutor tried to enforce the law as written, the Supreme Court, loaded with Trump's friends, would carve out an exception for the President with some specious reasoning that Congress overlooked adding the exception. It would be just one more of those ridiculous 5 to 4 decisions that Trump's Supreme Court appointees are famous for making.

No prosecutor will waste their reputation just to have the Supreme Court guaranteed to undo the prosecutor's work. By the way, Vice President Aaron Burr went scot-free for murder and treason so why wouldn't President Trump for lesser crimes?

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Thursday, February 10, 2022 10:28 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Maybe he just tore up something Pelosi wrote and flushed it down the toilet to troll after she did this...



Or maybe some Leftist plant posing as an aide for Trump removed all the toilet paper before Trump went to take a shit and he was forced to wipe his ass with whatever document he was reading in the shitter.

Anybody see what was on those documents? Putting them in the toilet didn't destroy them.

There's plenty of easier ways to destroy documents than trying to flush them down Democrat inflicted low-flow toilets.

Until you know what was on those documents, you can go right on ahead and shut the fuck up about this one.



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Thursday, February 10, 2022 10:36 AM

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Until you know what was on those documents, you can go right on ahead and shut the fuck up about this one.

The law that Trump violated was passed to prevent Presidents from destroying documents because Nixon did destroy documents to protect himself from impeachment. There never has been any Speakers of the House who were impeached and then destroyed documents to thwart their prosecution. The law does NOT cover the Speaker of the House or other members of Congress.

By the way, Nixon did not burn the Watergate Tapes because he wanted to use them to write his memoirs and he believed nobody knew he was making secret tapes. About a year into the Watergate Scandal somebody told Congress about the secret. Then Nixon's lawyers argued that the tapes were private property. The Supreme Court laughed at that nonsense. The decision was 8 to 0 (one judge recused himself) that the tapes had to be forwarded to Congress. Congress listened and the Republican leadership told Nixon to either resign or be impeached. Nowadays, the Supreme Court would decide 5 to 4 in Nixon's favor, or Trump's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_White_House_tapes

Trump knows this history, which is why he flushes documents then takes a crap on top.

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Thursday, February 10, 2022 3:41 PM

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Originally posted:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yes. Please. I agree.

Come out and finally tell all the Leftist idiots that you've got nothing and you never had anything.

You know that's not going to happen, Second.

Of course they're just going to let this fade into obscurity.

The Legacy Media and Democrats will never have to answer for what they've done, and you will never get closure.

The most famous example of never getting closure was Aaron Burr murdering Alexander Hamilton. What Burr did was illegal as hell in both New Jersey (where Burr shot Hamilton) and in New York (where Hamilton died). But neither New Jersey nor New York charged Burr with anything. Each state wanted the other to bring Burr to justice. The result? No justice. Burr kept right on being Burr, free as a bird.

Your Delusions of Libtardism know no bounds of time.
The practice of Duels was commonplace at the time. After a decade of Hamilton attacking and lying about Burr, Vice President Burr finally challenged Duel. Hamilton agreed, and met on the same Duelling Grounds where his son lost his Duel 3 years prior.
Hamilton fired and missed, and Burr was a better shot.
Although Hamilton had pursued a decade of Character Assassination, Libtards claim that his lousy aim means that he was murdered on the Duelling Grounds where he willingly attended. After decades of withstanding numerous other Challenges (including with James Monroe, George Clinton, and 1-2 other times with Burr).

Perhaps being the target of a continuous stream of Challenges of Honor was the version of the era similar to the current Libtard version of being constantly tRgeted for Criminal Charges by Police and Prosecutors.

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Thursday, February 10, 2022 3:44 PM

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Until you know what was on those documents, you can go right on ahead and shut the fuck up about this one.

The law that Trump violated was passed to prevent Presidents from destroying documents because Nixon did destroy documents to protect himself from impeachment. There never has been any Speakers of the House who were impeached and then destroyed documents to thwart their prosecution. The law does NOT cover the Speaker of the House or other members of Congress.

By the way, Nixon did not burn the Watergate Tapes because he wanted to use them to write his memoirs and he believed nobody knew he was making secret tapes. About a year into the Watergate Scandal somebody told Congress about the secret. Then Nixon's lawyers argued that the tapes were private property. The Supreme Court laughed at that nonsense. The decision was 8 to 0 (one judge recused himself) that the tapes had to be forwarded to Congress. Congress listened and the Republican leadership told Nixon to either resign or be impeached. Nowadays, the Supreme Court would decide 5 to 4 in Nixon's favor, or Trump's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_White_House_tapes

Trump knows this history, which is why he flushes documents then takes a crap on top.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two





You missed the other part of my post where I said maybe a Leftist plant pretending they were a Trump aide took out all the toilet paper rolls before Trump took a shit.

Maybe he was reading Dilbert when he noticed that there wasn't any toilet paper and wiped his ass with it.

Until you tell me what was the document found in the toilet, I'll again invite you to shut the fuck up.



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Friday, February 11, 2022 8:29 AM

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Your Delusions of Libtardism know no bounds of time.
The practice of Duels was commonplace at the time. After a decade of Hamilton attacking and lying about Burr, Vice President Burr finally challenged Duel. Hamilton agreed, and met on the same Duelling Grounds where his son lost his Duel 3 years prior.
Hamilton fired and missed, and Burr was a better shot.
Although Hamilton had pursued a decade of Character Assassination, Libtards claim that his lousy aim means that he was murdered on the Duelling Grounds where he willingly attended. After decades of withstanding numerous other Challenges.

Perhaps being the target of a continuous stream of Challenges of Honor was the version of the era similar to the current Libtard version of being constantly tRgeted for Criminal Charges by Police and Prosecutors.

JewelStaiteFan, duels were illegal in both New York and New Jersey but were dealt with less harshly in New Jersey when nobody died from the duel. The prosecutors in New York and New Jersey didn't want to put Vice President Aaron Burr on trial for murdering Alexander Hamilton, but voters back then were more sensible than prosecutors. Burr never held another elected office despite not being convicted of dueling, murder and treason. In a better America, with braver prosecutors, Burr would have been jailed.

Burr-Hamilton duel
https://www.britannica.com/event/Burr-Hamilton-duel

If Vice President Burr could go scot-free for his felonies, surely President Trump will go scot-free for his minor crimes such as tax evasion, obstructing justice (firing the FBI director because the FBI would not stop investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election) and inciting riots ("Stop The Steal").

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Friday, February 11, 2022 8:31 AM

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You missed the other part of my post where I said maybe a Leftist plant pretending they were a Trump aide took out all the toilet paper rolls before Trump took a shit.

Maybe he was reading Dilbert when he noticed that there wasn't any toilet paper and wiped his ass with it.

Until you tell me what was the document found in the toilet, I'll again invite you to shut the fuck up.

The fact that Trump was flushing documents down the toilet in a house that literally has 28 fireplaces should prove that he's not fit for office.

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Friday, February 11, 2022 10:55 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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You missed the other part of my post where I said maybe a Leftist plant pretending they were a Trump aide took out all the toilet paper rolls before Trump took a shit.

Maybe he was reading Dilbert when he noticed that there wasn't any toilet paper and wiped his ass with it.

Until you tell me what was the document found in the toilet, I'll again invite you to shut the fuck up.

The fact that Trump was flushing documents down the toilet in a house that literally has 28 fireplaces should prove that he's not fit for office.



My point exactly. That's why I don't believe your story is a fact.

Just more unverifiable bullshit put in one of your Leftist papers filled with nothing but bullshit.



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Friday, February 11, 2022 1:50 PM

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My point exactly. That's why I don't believe your story is a fact.

Just more unverifiable bullshit put in one of your Leftist papers filled with nothing but bullshit.

Trump denied it happened, ha-ha, so it happened.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-reportedly-terrified-accusations-he-flu
shed-official-documents-1678196


Remember Trump said he was being audited by the IRS, but he never gave his lawyer a copy of a letter from the IRS saying he was being audited?

Remember Trump saying he paid his taxes, but he never gave the public a copy of his income tax returns?



In the upcoming book Confidence Man by Maggie Haberman, who has covered Trump since 2011, Trump took a dump on top of top secret papers, then flushed, then overflowed the bathroom.

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Friday, February 11, 2022 2:23 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I remember a whole lot of lies from Leftist Legacy Media.


They're still telling lies today, but not as many as you'd like, huh?

Wonder why that is.



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Friday, February 11, 2022 2:48 PM

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I remember a whole lot of lies from Leftist Legacy Media.


They're still telling lies today, but not as many as you'd like, huh?

Wonder why that is.

6ix, this is just another variation on yours and Trump's continuing theme of Fake News is whatever is inconvenient for the two of you. 6ix, you are the guy who says Nobody dies from Covid. Trump is the guy who says he won. You guys lost your grasp on the difference between fake and real or, said another way, Truth vs Lies. Good luck with your life where nothing stays real for long before you lose faith and start saying it is all fake, nothing is real if you say it is not real. It is a nearly magical ability you and Trump have to obscure the truth from yourselves.

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Friday, February 11, 2022 2:52 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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I remember a whole lot of lies from Leftist Legacy Media.


They're still telling lies today, but not as many as you'd like, huh?

Wonder why that is.

6ix, this just another variation on yours and Trump's continuing theme of Fake News is whatever is inconvenient for the two of you. 6ix, you are the guy who says Nobody dies from Covid. Trump is the guy who says he won. You guys lost your grasp on the difference between fake and real or, said another way, Truth vs Lies. Good luck with your life where nothing stays real for long before you lose faith and start saying it is all fake, nothing is real if you say it is not real. It is a nearly magical ability you and Trump have to obscure the truth from yourselves.

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Nobody dies from Covid.

Trump did win.


My life is fine, buddy. And I'm enjoying Democrats destroy themselves for generations to come after stealing the election. I'm in a position to be able to enjoy the show.


But you rich white racists keep pushing Female LatinX Zorro on the hispanics and calling dudes who like wearing dresses and lipstick "women", while they destroy actual women's records in sports while having their donkey dicks flopping all around the girls locker rooms and dismantling what actual women have been fighting for since the 1950's, while basic necessities are being priced out of the reach of the bottom 20% and see where it gets you.




And out of the two of us, I'm not the one who will switch positions 5 times in a single day to win arguments. You are.

The nerve of somebody like you with no moral compass or ideological corner stone trying to tell anybody else what is true and what isn't.



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Tuesday, February 15, 2022 9:25 AM

THG


Wow, the hard-core right is so dishonest; it's a real eye opener.

T



Tech Exec Used Access To WH Computers To Look For Dirt On Trump: Special Counsel






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Tuesday, February 15, 2022 9:55 AM

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Your video mentions Rodney Joffe. I look him up and the first thing I find is:

Donald Trump Suggested Michael Sussmann Should Be Killed because Rodney Joffe “Spied” on Barack Obama

https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/02/15/donald-trump-suggested-michael-s
ussmann-should-be-killed-because-rodney-joffe-spied-on-barack-obama
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The most laugh-at-how-crazy-Trump-is moment in the article:

"And it led the former President to claim that those involved should be killed.

Sussmann has asked Judge Christopher Cooper to strike the improper language from the motion."

This is why I love Trump. He will say anything and doesn't care what the possible consequences are. The article ends with this sentence: "And now he’ll be able to point back to this filing to show that Durham misrepresented basic facts that might get someone killed."

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Tuesday, February 15, 2022 10:05 AM

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Trump Suggests Clinton Operatives Deserve Death for 'Spying Operation'

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-suggests-clinton-operatives-deserve-dea
th-spying-operation-1678773


Hard to believe that Trump is this stupid, but Newsweek has the story, with quotes.

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Monday, May 2, 2022 12:03 PM

THG


Oops...

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Monday, May 2, 2022 10:22 PM

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Trump will be fine.

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Tuesday, May 10, 2022 9:45 PM

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Trump will be fine.

This is not satire. It happened for real and went on and on for years:

Trump Kept Asking if China Was Shooting Us With a ‘Hurricane Gun’

The then-leader of the free world also inquired whether the U.S. could bomb China in retaliation for the alleged hurricane attack

Near the beginning of Donald Trump’s time in office, the then-president had a pressing question for his national-security aides and administration officials: Does China have the secret technology — a weapon, even — to create large, man-made hurricanes and then launch them at the United States? And if so, would this constitute an act of war by a foreign power, and could the U.S. retaliate militarily? Then-President Trump repeatedly asked about this, according to two former senior administration officials and a third person briefed on the matter.

“It was almost too stupid for words,” said a former Trump official intimately familiar with the then-sitting president’s inquiry. “I did not get the sense he was joking at all.”

The sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations, tell Rolling Stone that Trump began interrogating national-security officials and other staffers about the alleged weapon during the first year of his presidency, and his question would pop up sporadically until at least 2018. Two of the sources recalled that as Trump got deeper into the second year in his term, he started to drop the topic, and occasionally joked about it.

In certain circles within the upper ranks of Trumpland, the then-leader of the free world’s query became such a mockable occurrence that it became known among some as the “Hurricane Gun” thing.

“I was present [once] when he asked if China ‘made’ hurricanes to send to us,” said the other former senior official. Trump “wanted to know if the technology existed. One guy in the room responded, ‘Not to the best of my knowledge, sir.’ I kept it together until I got back to my office… I do not know where the [then-]president would have heard about that… He was asking about it around the time, maybe a little before, he asked people about nuking hurricanes.”

This patently boneheaded line of inquiry from Trump, which has not been previously reported, was merely one instance in an administration overflowing with Trump’s rampantly absurd, conspiracy-theory-powered ideas and policy proposals, many of which were ignored or shot down, thus avoiding additional atrocities. Last week, it was revealed that Trump’s former Secretary of Defense Mark Esper wrote in his new memoir that his ex-boss wanted to attack Mexico with missiles — during peacetime between the two nations — and then try to pin the blame on another country.

Despite leaving office in disgrace, Trump has continued on as the undisputed leader of the Republican Party and by far its most popular and influential national figure. He is currently the clear favorite to win the 2024 GOP presidential nomination, should he ultimately decide to launch another campaign. Though a final decision has not yet been made, Trump has strongly signaled to a variety of associates and counselors that he intends to run again, having made it his mission to turn his anti-democratic lies about the 2020 election being “stolen” from him into party orthodoxy.

A Trump spokesperson did not provide comment on this story.

“That does not surprise me at all,” says Stephanie Grisham, a former top Trump aide who has since had a very public break with the Trumps. Though Grisham said she was not privy to the “Hurricane Gun” chatter, she simply noted: “Stuff like that was not unusual for him. He would blurt out crazy things all the time, and tell aides to look into it or do something about it. His staff would say they’d look into knowing that more often than not, he’d forget about it quickly — much like a toddler.”

More at https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-hurricane-gu
n-china-world-war-1350638
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Tuesday, May 10, 2022 10:21 PM

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Trump will be fine.

This is not satire. It happened for real and went on and on for years:



Trump will be fine.

In 2 years and 6 months he will be elected your President again.



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Tuesday, May 10, 2022 10:38 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Trump will be fine.

This is not satire. It happened for real and went on and on for years:



Trump will be fine.

In 2 years and 6 months he will be elected your President again.

Trump is full of nuttiness, but you won't know that unless you read his books and, most importantly, know how a successful business operates. Most Republican small businessmen know as little as Trump does, which is why these crooks habitually overcharge and make oversized promises to customers but under-perform.

Trump’s “hurricane gun” inquiries add to a list of odd beliefs the former president holds not just about climate science in general — which he has called a hoax “created by and for the Chinese” — but hurricanes in particular.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-hurricane-gu
n-china-world-war-1350638
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Wednesday, May 11, 2022 12:39 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Trump is full of nuttiness, but you won't know that unless you read his books and, most importantly, know how a successful business operates. Most Republican small businessmen know as little as Trump does, which is why these crooks habitually overcharge and make oversized promises to customers but under-perform.



Irrelevant.

I'm a patient man, and I have plenty of I Told You Sos left in the bag.

Meanwhile, November is going to tide me over just fine until 2024.



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Tuesday, May 31, 2022 1:05 PM

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Michael Sussmann Is Acquitted in Case Brought by Trump-Era Prosecutor

WASHINGTON — Michael Sussmann, a prominent cybersecurity lawyer with ties to Democrats, was acquitted on Tuesday of a felony charge that he lied to the F.B.I. about having no client in 2016 when he shared a tip about possible connections between Donald J. Trump and Russia.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/michael-sussmann-is-acquitted-
in-case-brought-by-trump-era-prosecutor/ar-AAXVFFL?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=b65fe559cf484f7cb0067c8307f3cf31




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Trump roasted by legal experts after hand-picked Russiagate prosecutor John Durham suffers 'big fat loss'

Former President Donald Trump's special counsel John Durham has spent three years trying to sink members of Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign for supposedly trying to frame Trump over his connections to Russia.

On Tuesday, after seven hours of deliberation, the jury concluded that the Clinton campaign lawyer, Michaell Sussmann was innocent of lying to the FBI when he turned over information that they discovered.

The verdict drew commentary from legal analysts who mocked Republicans who swore that Durham would reestablish Trump's credibility when it came to any accusation involving Russia. That effort, however, failed.

Meanwhile, Durham spent $2.36 million in tax-payer dollars over the course of three years, doing nothing other than making wild accusations in court filing documents


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-roasted-by-legal-experts
-after-hand-picked-russiagate-prosecutor-john-durham-suffers-big-fat-loss/ar-AAXVLLa?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=b65fe559cf484f7cb0067c8307f3cf31




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Trump has claimed that the probe will vindicate his claims of Watergate-level crimes against him and his allies. After three years, John Durham is nowhere near delivering on those expectations. The next defendant will be Russian expat Igor Danchenko, who is charged with five counts of lying to the FBI when Igor called Trump a fucking scumbag. Hopefully Trump will be asked to prove himself not to be a scumbag. Trump will be saying over and over that, "Upon the advice of counsel, I must respectfully decline to answer your question, based on my rights under the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution against self-incrimination."

After Sussmann trial defeat, what’s next for the John Durham probe?
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/31/politics/durham-whats-next/index.html

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Tuesday, May 31, 2022 7:21 PM

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Whatever.

He's going to be your President again soon.

Tick tock.



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Tuesday, June 7, 2022 8:13 PM

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Trumps 2016 election conspiracy theory just took a big hit.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-s-2016-election-c
onspiracy-theory-just-took-a-big-hit/vi-AAYbCJI?bk=1&bk=1&ocid=msedgntp&cvid=602d94afa05541a5b0bd31168fce6b81




Gee, I was right again. So far, I am batting a thousand.

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Tuesday, June 7, 2022 8:24 PM

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Why are you so worried about Trump and all of the bullshit theories you thought he was going to do but never did while your President* is actively destroying the country, Ted?

Grow the fuck up.

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Julia Davis @JuliaDavisNews tweeted:

Meanwhile on Russian state TV: annoyed by Trump reportedly promising to destroy the Russian Federation and Putin's hegemony, state TV host Olga Skabeeva said that Russia "will have to think whether to re-install him again as the American president. We haven't decided yet."
9:09 AM · Jul 5, 2022·Twitter Web App
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1544322674905812993

Russia State TV Considering Reinstalling Trump as President
By Zoe Strozewski On 7/5/22 at 2:30 PM EDT
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-state-tv-reinstate-donald-trump-presid
ent-us-1721905


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Julia Davis @JuliaDavisNews tweeted:

Meanwhile on Russian state TV: annoyed by Trump reportedly promising to destroy the Russian Federation and Putin's hegemony, state TV host Olga Skabeeva said that Russia "will have to think whether to re-install him again as the American president. We haven't decided yet."
9:09 AM · Jul 5, 2022·Twitter Web App
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1544322674905812993



Glad to know that despite all of your bullshit, the Russians still have a sense of humor.



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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Glad to know that despite all of your bullshit, the Russians still have a sense of humor.

As does the FBI:

At around 7 p.m., on a hot Monday evening (it’s hot where you are, right?), former President Donald Trump announced that the FBI had raided his “beautiful home, Mar-a-Lago, in Palm Beach.” The premises, he wrote in a statement, was “currently under siege, raided, and occupied by a large group of FBI agents.”

The FBI had not confirmed (or denied!) this news as of publication time.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/08/trump-mar-a-lago-fbi-raid-
what-we-know.html


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“Peak Trump” Reached as Ex-President Appears Concurrently in News Stories About Both Toilets and Hitler

The life of a former U.S. president has long been a performatively dignified one. The typical modern ex-POTUS writes a mostly unremarkable memoir, retires to a house on a plot that has its own name (e.g. “The Oak Aspen”), endorses his party’s nominee every four years at the national convention, engages in occasional diplomatic and humanitarian work, and otherwise hopes the national press will gradually forget the controversial, stupid, and cowardly things he did during his actual career so he will be eulogized when he dies as a great leader and role model. (Barack Obama has shaken up the tradition by working with glamorous figures like Bruce Springsteen, but only on the least glamorous activity, podcasting.)

There are two stories in the news today, Monday, about the U.S.’s most recent ex-president, Donald Trump.

• Axios reports, with visual proof, that the New York Times’ Maggie Haberman has obtained photos—taken during Trump’s term at locations where he had just been present—of toilets in which torn-up documents bearing words written in his handwriting are visible.

In a February 2022 scoop (also given to Axios by the Times reporter in a confusing book-publicity maneuver), Haberman had revealed that Trump’s staff “periodically discovered” wads of printed paper clogging his toilets and believed him to have been responsible for attempting to flush them. (Discarding paper in a toilet is a violation of best practices concerning both presidential record-keeping and plumbing.) Trump had called this report—the report that he, an adult man, was apparently under the belief that one can successfully dispose of office documents by putting them in a toilet—”fake news.” But now it has been proved fairly definitively that the president tried (many times) to flush regular paper down a toilet in the White House and then lied about it.

• The New Yorker has printed an excerpt from a different forthcoming book (co-authored by a different Times reporter) in which Trump is said to have asked his chief of staff, ex–Marine Corps general John Kelly, why American military officials couldn’t be “like the German generals” who, in Trump’s imagination if not in real life, were “totally loyal” to Hitler.

The former president, who has already been in the news a number of times for stories relating to toilets and his evident admiration for Hitler, lives in Florida and is not known to engage in diplomatic or humanitarian work.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/08/trump-toilet-documents-flu
shed-hitler-comparison-same-day.html


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Monday, August 8, 2022 9:13 PM

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Poor Trump, always the victim. Same for all his voters and the Republicans in congress. All a bunch of victims. I don't want victims running America. I want winners running the country.

Here's the long and the short of it. Trump was told to hand over the documents and items he removed from the White House. He said no. The FBI said yes. The Department of Justice said yes. Guess who won. Too funny...

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Mueller handed in his report. We should start learning a few things this weekend.

tick tock




The video below is not news. We knew it happened as it was happening. It's just now it's been laid bare by the courts. I've always said history will have the last word and it won't be good for Trump and his idiot followers.

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Court Rules William Barr Wrongly Withheld Russia Probe Memo



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Sunday, August 21, 2022 6:47 PM

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LOL Fuck Billy Barr. Just one less creature to drain from the swamp in 2024 when Trump is reelected.



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What do you get when an attorney general covers up presidential obstruction?

On Wednesday, the Department of Justice finally released a memo that explained former Attorney General Bill Barr’s decision not to prosecute Donald Trump in connection with the Mueller Report. With that revelation, one big mystery has been solved: We now know why Democratic and Republican appointed federal judges excoriated Barr for dishonesty in hiding the memo and distorting Mueller’s report. The memo is flat-out wrong on the facts and the law. Bill Barr’s Memo https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/22187568-20190324-memorandum-t
o-ag-from-dag-re-mueller-report-review


For example, Mueller presented powerful evidence that Trump repeatedly told his first White House Counsel Donald McGahn to tell lies about the investigation, including creating a false written record. The Mueller report made a compelling case that these actions could support a reasonable inference of obstruction of justice. Yet Bill Barr’s Memo says “none of these instances indicate that the president sought to conceal evidence of criminal conduct.” That conclusion beggars belief. https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/download

The memo also says that the former president’s grooming witnesses before they testified and then turning on them if they implicated him did not qualify as obstruction. Tell that to former Trump attorney Michael Cohen, who was the subject of repeated presidential intimidation targeting him and his family before his 2019 House Oversight Committee testimony.
(Michael Cohen claims that President Trump is threatening his family. Trump made ominous innuendos about Cohen’s father-in-law. https://www.vox.com/2019/1/23/18194719/trump-michael-cohen-father-in-l
aw-threat
)

Bill Barr’s Memo speaks of all this in mild terms, as Trump “appearing to praise or condemn” witnesses, when he was actually doing much worse. Trump’s behavior went so far as dangling pardons to his former campaign chairman Paul Manafort (who later received one). Bill Barr’s Memo bends the facts so far that it breaks them.

Its treatment of the law is as bad. The notion that there are no comparable legal precedents to justify prosecution, as the memo claims, is laughable. I co-wrote an almost 200 page report in 2018 laying them all out. (Presidential obstruction of justice: The case of Donald J. Trump https://www.brookings.edu/research/presidential-obstruction-of-justice
-the-case-of-donald-j-trump-2nd-edition
/ )

For instance, both that report and Bill Barr’s Memo focus on the same key case: United States v. Cueto (1998). In Trump’s case like in Cueto, someone was under investigation and attempted to interfere with that investigation by taking acts that would have been legal but for corrupt intent. The prosecution in Cueto was held lawful and so would one have been here. The evidence of obstruction that Mueller documented would have resulted in charges for anybody else who did not occupy the Oval Office. Barr gave Trump special treatment — and not because the law or the facts merited it.

But inside access is not needed to see that something is rotten here. It was always puzzling how this memo was submitted just two days after Barr received the 400-page Mueller report. How could he and his colleagues possibly process all of that information in 48 hours and come to such a weighty decision not to prosecute? That apparent hastiness was always an indication that Barr’s goal was to cover-up — and not uncover — the truth. But now that we have the memo that is even more clear.

More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/08/merrick-garland-barr-memo-
trump-lesson-doj.html


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Sunday, August 28, 2022 9:21 AM

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Trump will be fine.



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Trump will be fine.

Trump will be a celebrity in prison as was Bill Cosby. And Cosby only served a few years before the Supreme Court ordered his release because the Court considered it completely unfair when a prosecutor used Cosby's testimony against him in a different case than the one in which Cosby originally testified. "We can't reuse Cosby's old words from a previous trial in this new trial because Cosby didn't realize in the first trial that his own words made him look like a criminal to the new jury."

Bill Cosby ‘celebrates’ anniversary of being released from prison with interview
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/story/2022-06-30/bill-cosby
-conviction-overturned-prison-sexual-assault-speaks


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Sunday, August 28, 2022 1:04 PM

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Trump will be fine.



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Trump will be fine.

Trump sued everybody involved with the Mueller Investigation. Yesterday his lawsuit was dismissed.

A federal judge has dismissed former President Donald Trump's lawsuit against Hillary Clinton, the Democratic National Committee, several ex-FBI officials and more than two dozen other people and entities that he claims conspired to undermine his 2016 campaign by trying to vilify him with fabricated information tying him to Russia.

US District Judge Donald Middlebrooks dismissed the lawsuit Thursday, saying "most of Plaintiff's claims are not only unsupported by any legal authority but plainly foreclosed by binding precedent. What (Trump's lawsuit) lacks in substance and legal support it seeks to substitute with length, hyperbole, and the settling of scores and grievances."

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/09/politics/judge-throws-out-trumps-rico-l
awsuit-against-hillary-clinton-and-democrats/index.html


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Quote:

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Trump will be fine.

Trump sued everybody involved with the Mueller Investigation. Yesterday his lawsuit was dismissed.

A federal judge has dismissed former President Donald Trump's lawsuit against Hillary Clinton, the Democratic National Committee, several ex-FBI officials and more than two dozen other people and entities that he claims conspired to undermine his 2016 campaign by trying to vilify him with fabricated information tying him to Russia.

US District Judge Donald Middlebrooks dismissed the lawsuit Thursday, saying "most of Plaintiff's claims are not only unsupported by any legal authority but plainly foreclosed by binding precedent. What (Trump's lawsuit) lacks in substance and legal support it seeks to substitute with length, hyperbole, and the settling of scores and grievances."

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/09/politics/judge-throws-out-trumps-rico-l
awsuit-against-hillary-clinton-and-democrats/index.html


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Trump will be fine.



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Wednesday, October 12, 2022 7:13 PM

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Understand the connection is so strong Giuliani is the godfather to the Russian agents kids.

You can't make this shit up folks.


Giuliani Distances Himself From Ukrainian Sanctioned By U.S. As Russian Agent

President Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani is playing down his contacts with a Ukrainian lawmaker who the Treasury Department says is a longtime Russian agent.

The Treasury announced sanctions on Thursday against Andrii Derkach, who is a member of the Ukrainian parliament, and said he has had close ties to Russia's intelligence services for more than a decade. It also accused him of waging a "covert influence campaign" since late 2019 targeting the U.S. election.

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/11/911957914/giuliani-distances-himself-fr
om-ukrainian-sanctioned-by-u-s-as-russian-agent


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Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.



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All of the Mueller report’s major findings in less than 30 minutes



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The Untold Story of ‘Russiagate’ and the Road to War in Ukraine

Russia’s meddling in Trump-era politics was more directly connected to the current war than previously understood.

Putin backed Trump in order to turn Ukraine into Russia’s vassal state
November 2, 2022 | Jim Rutenberg reports:

On the night of July 28, 2016, as Hillary Clinton was accepting the Democratic presidential nomination in Philadelphia, Donald J. Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, received an urgent email from Moscow. The sender was a friend and business associate named Konstantin Kilimnik. A Russian citizen born in Soviet Ukraine, Kilimnik ran the Kyiv office of Manafort’s international consulting firm, known for bringing cutting-edge American campaign techniques to clients seeking to have their way with fragile democracies around the world.

Kilimnik didn’t say much, only that he needed to talk, in person, as soon as possible. Exactly what he wanted to talk about was apparently too sensitive even for the tradecraft the men so fastidiously deployed — encrypted apps, the drafts folder of a shared email account and, when necessary, dedicated “bat phones.” But he had made coded reference — “caviar” — to an important former client, the deposed Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych, who had fled to Russia in 2014 after presiding over the massacre of scores of pro-democracy protesters. Manafort responded within minutes, and the plan was set for five days later.

Kilimnik cleared customs at Kennedy Airport at 7:43 p.m., only 77 minutes before the scheduled rendezvous at the Grand Havana Room, a Trump-world hangout atop 666 Fifth Avenue, the Manhattan office tower owned by the family of Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner. Shortly after the appointed hour, Kilimnik walked onto a perfectly put-up stage set for a caricature drama of furtive figures hatching covert schemes with questionable intent — a dark-lit cigar bar with mahogany-paneled walls and floor-to-ceiling windows columned in thick velvet drapes, its leather club chairs typically filled by large men with open collars sipping Scotch and drawing on parejos and figurados. Men, that is, like Paul Manafort, with his dyed-black pompadour and penchant for pinstripes. There, with the skyline shimmering though the cigar-smoke haze, Kilimnik shared a secret plan whose significance would only become clear six years later, as Vladimir V. Putin’s invading Russian Army pushed into Ukraine.

Known loosely as the Mariupol plan, after the strategically vital port city, it called for the creation of an autonomous republic in Ukraine’s east, giving Putin effective control of the country’s industrial heartland, where Kremlin-armed, -funded and -directed “separatists” were waging a two-year-old shadow war that had left nearly 10,000 dead. The new republic’s leader would be none other than Yanukovych. The trade-off: “peace” for a broken and subservient Ukraine.

The scheme cut against decades of American policy promoting a free and united Ukraine
, and a President Clinton would no doubt maintain, or perhaps even harden, that stance. But Trump was already suggesting that he would upend the diplomatic status quo; if elected, Kilimnik believed, Trump could help make the Mariupol plan a reality. First, though, he would have to win, an unlikely proposition at best. Which brought the men to the second prong of their agenda that evening — internal campaign polling data tracing a path through battleground states to victory. Manafort’s sharing of that information — the “eyes only” code guiding Trump’s strategy — would have been unremarkable if not for one important piece of Kilimnik’s biography: He was not simply a colleague; he was, U.S. officials would later assert, a Russian agent.

Their business concluded, the men left by separate routes to avoid detection, though they continued to text deep into the night, according to federal investigators. In the weeks that followed, operatives in Moscow and St. Petersburg would intensify their hacking and disinformation campaign to damage Clinton and help turn the election toward Trump, which would form the core of the scandal known as Russiagate. The Mariupol plan would become a footnote, all but forgotten. But what the plan offered on paper is essentially what Putin — on the dangerous defensive after a raft of strategic miscalculations and mounting battlefield losses — is now trying to seize through sham referendums and illegal annexation. And Mariupol is shorthand for the horrors of his war, an occupied city in ruins after months of siege, its hulking steelworks spectral and silenced, countless citizens buried in mass graves.

Putin’s assault on Ukraine and his attack on American democracy have until now been treated largely as two distinct story lines. Across the intervening years, Russia’s election meddling has been viewed essentially as a closed chapter in America’s political history — a perilous moment in which a foreign leader sought to set the United States against itself by exploiting and exacerbating its political divides.

Yet those two narratives came together that summer night at the Grand Havana Room. And the lesson of that meeting is that Putin’s American adventure might be best understood as advance payment for a geopolitical grail closer to home: a vassal Ukrainian state. Thrumming beneath the whole election saga was another story — about Ukraine’s efforts to establish a modern democracy and, as a result, its position as a hot zone of the new Cold War between Russia and the West, autocracy and democracy. To a remarkable degree, the long struggle for Ukraine was a bass note to the upheavals and scandals of the Trump years, from the earliest days of the 2016 campaign and then the presidential transition, through Trump’s first impeachment and into the final days of the 2020 election. Even now, some influential voices in American politics, mostly but not entirely on the right, are suggesting that Ukraine make concessions of sovereignty similar to those contained in Kilimnik’s plan, which the nation’s leaders categorically reject.

More at https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/02/magazine/russiagate-paul-manafort-u
kraine-war.html


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I want to be clear. The fact that, out of all the countries in the world, Ukraine was the top donor to the Clinton Foundation at the same time that Hillary’s State Department was backing a coup in Ukraine is purely coincidental and non-germane to any history DavidSacks@DavidSacks]




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OPPS!

What are Dems going to do now that they're the ones being fact checked on Twitter?

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And as Manafort told Kilimnik at the club, according to testimony from Gates and another witness briefed on the meeting, the polling was picking up something that Clinton pollsters and mainstream prognosticators were not — a path for Trump to the White House through traditionally blue states like Michigan, Minnesota, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Of course, Manafort explained, that would require a relentless assault on Clinton’s public image.

By the end of summer, vicious anti-Clinton social-media operations were intensifying, not only by the Trump campaign and its American allies but also by Russian trolls posing as Americans, who spread a raft of conspiracy theories about Clinton’s health and alleged criminality. The operations included the states that Manafort had identified as key, investigators found.

The polling data would become a major focus of the Mueller team and Senate investigators. Neither could directly link the Russian operations to the data; they reported only that Gates believed that Kilimnik was sharing it with Deripaska and his Ukrainian counterparts — an apparent fulfillment of Manafort’s pledge to keep his patrons in the loop. But last year a Treasury Department communiqué concluded that Kilimnik had passed the data directly to Russian military intelligence, calling him a “known Russian agent.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/02/magazine/russiagate-paul-manafort-u
kraine-war.html


You Could Fit All the Voters Who Cost Clinton the Election in a Mid-Size Football Stadium. Clinton lost Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania — three states that were supposed to be her firewall in the Rust Belt, but that ultimately tipped the electoral college map decisively in Trump’s favor. Trump’s margin of victory in those three states? Just 79,316 votes.
https://web.archive.org/web/20221101102629/https://www.vanityfair.com/
news/2016/12/hillary-clinton-margin-loss-votes


Russian trolls concentrated on flipping Clinton voters to Trump in Michigan, Minnesota, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, the same 4 states Manafort and Kilimnik told Russian military intelligence to concentrate their trolling on. Funny how Manafort got pardoned by Trump. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/12/pardon-paul-manafort-trump-rus
sia-cover-up-collusion-mueller.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, November 3, 2022 3:34 PM

SIGNYM

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SECOND is desperately recycling fact-free character assassination, I see.

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Thursday, November 3, 2022 4:54 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND is desperately recycling fact-free character assassination, I see.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake


Trump actually did pardon Manafort, but waited until the last minute. If Manafort had been pardoned earlier, he could have been questioned by Robert Mueller's investigation because Manafort can NOT take the fifth amendment when asked about crimes he has been pardoned for. The eventual Manafort pardon was very narrowly worded so that Paul Manafort could make the widest use of the fifth amendment, giving Trump and Manafort the maximum protection from the law.

Trump’s Pardon of Manafort Is the Realization of the Founders’ Fears

George Mason anticipated the president’s act more than 230 years ago. Back in 1787, when the Constitutional Convention was drafting the part of the Constitution that would soon become the presidential pardon power, Mason unequivocally opposed the provision. The president, he said, “ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself. It may happen, at some future day, that he will establish a monarchy, and destroy the republic. If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?”
https://web.archive.org/web/20220411082032/https://www.theatlantic.com
/ideas/archive/2020/12/problem-pardons-was-clear-start/617397
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, November 3, 2022 6:38 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


More character assasination, by insinuation this time. Now you condemn someone by what [you imagine] someone else MIGHT have said?

Evidence, SECOND. That's what's missing from your excessively long posts.

Anyone who writes paragraphs to describe a room hasnt got a thing to say.

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Second is irrelevant.

Tuesday is almost here.



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