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Wednesday, April 10, 2019 2:25 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Hey JSF, here's a great title thread...

The AG is proving to be a FUCKING Shill and a lying Sack o' Shit.
Now he claims that the intelligence community "spied" on the campaign.
It really doesn't surprise me, especially since he has "tainted" the Mueller Report in the realm of public opinion & scrutiny.

This fucking turd is casting aspersions upon the very department he is in charge of, plus insulting the entire investigation process and institutions.
It is just as Trump does, falsely proclaiming illegal and improper actions
without a spec of evidence. The Inspector General has not concluded his
investigation into the matter, so basically Barr (the fucking scumbag) is
doing exactly what he has stated that Congress should not do - draw conclusions or prejudge before the release of the official report. In this case, before the IG has finished his investigation.

The Attorney Turd is basically saying: "do as I say, not as I do."

Snake, scumbag of the year and scumbag junior. It's a toss-up who gets the
Grand Prize.


SGG

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Wednesday, April 10, 2019 3:57 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Translation = "Anybody who I don't agree with is a lying sack of shit."

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, April 10, 2019 4:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

Now he claims that the intelligence community "spied" on the campaign.

Barr realized that his mouth was running too fast, so Barr walks back the claim that law enforcement spied on Trump campaign. He realized that people would be furious at him for boldly lying. He had to take it back, using his considerable skills as a weaselly lawyer to do that without losing too much of his dignity.

Watch Barr grovel before Congress:
www.axios.com/bill-barr-spying-2016-trump-campaign-1c697d04-7187-4e33-
b8b2-4cbce62da868.html


Barr will be working for living long after Trump so Barr is unwilling to disgrace himself like pop-eye Rudy Giuliani does all the time:



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, April 10, 2019 4:34 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Speaking of lying sacks of shit: SLOPPYSECONDS is a lying sack of shit. Barr DID NOT walk back his statement. Here is the transcript (from SLOPPYSECONDS' own link):

Quote:

Barr: "For the same reason we're worried about foreign influence in elections, we want to make sure that — I think spying on a political campaign is a big deal. ... There were a lot of rules put in place to make sure that there's an adequate basis before our law enforcement agencies get involved in political surveillance. I'm not suggesting those rules were violated, but I think it's important to look at that."

Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.): "But you're not suggesting that spying occurred?"

Barr: "I don't ... well ... I guess you could — I think spying did occur. Yes, I think spying did occur. But the question is whether it was predicated, adequately predicated. And I'm not suggesting that it wasn't adequately predicated. But I need to explore that."

When pressed by Sen. Jack Reed (D-R.I.) whether he has any evidence of wrongdoing by the FBI or Mueller in the Russia investigation, Barr said: "I have no specific evidence that I would cite right now. I do have questions about it." Barr said he plans on reviewing "both the genesis and conduct" of the Russia investigation.


https://www.axios.com/bill-barr-spying-2016-trump-campaign-1c697d04-71
87-4e33-b8b2-4cbce62da868.html


Also, AXIOS is a lying sack of shit; they posted a false headline "Barr walks back claim that law enforcement spied on Trump campaign".

You people ... sheesh.

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Wednesday, April 10, 2019 4:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Speaking of lying sacks of shit: SLOPPYSECONDS is a lying sack of shit. Barr DID NOT walk back his statement. Here is the transcript (from SLOPPYSECONDS' own link):

Signym, you are one fucking dimwit: "I am not saying that improper surveillance occurred. I am saying that I am concerned about it and I’m looking into it." -- Barr

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, April 10, 2019 4:40 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Speaking of lying sacks of shit: SLOPPYSECONDS is a lying sack of shit. Barr DID NOT walk back his statement. Here is the transcript (from SLOPPYSECONDS' own link) - SIGNY

Signym, you are one fucking dimwit: "I am not saying that improper surveillance occurred. I am saying that I am concerned about it and I’m looking into it." -- Barr



No, SLOPPYSECONDS, YOU are the fucking dimwit. Maybe if you untwisted your brain and stopped lying endlessly, you'd figure out what he PLAINLY said. I underlined the key word to help you, and I'll give you some time on that.

Jeez, it would be a full-time job, just correcting all of your lies.

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Wednesday, April 10, 2019 4:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Jeez, it would be a full-time job, just correcting all of your lies.

Maybe you need more clarification, Signym, you moron: What Barr is talking about is normally referred to as “investigation.” The FBI did indeed investigate various members of the Trump campaign, and there has never been the slightest evidence that it was improper. The case was precipitated by a tipsy George Papadopoulos telling an Australian diplomat that the Russians had dirt on Hillary Clinton. The Australians reported the meeting and the FBI began its investigation.

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Wednesday, April 10, 2019 4:50 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


No. What Barr is talking about is SURVEILLANCE. In your terms, spying.

The Trump campaign was SURVEILLED. That's what the (multiple) FISA warrants were all about. That SURVEILLANCE began well before Mueller's INVESTIGATION.

I capitalized those terms so that maybe they'll stick in your mind as separate entities. I hope you can manage to keep it straight this time.

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Wednesday, April 10, 2019 6:08 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
No. What Barr is talking about is SURVEILLANCE. In your terms, spying.

The Trump campaign was SURVEILLED. That's what the (multiple) FISA warrants were all about. That SURVEILLANCE began well before Mueller's INVESTIGATION.

I capitalized those terms so that maybe they'll stick in your mind as separate entities. I hope you can manage to keep it straight this time.




What a Russian troll. You're going to make a fool of yourself in this thread, too, I see. I will enjoy laughing at your idiocy, yet again.

William Barr Gives Trump What He Wants, Forms Team to Investigate the F.B.I
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/04/william-barr-gives-trump-what-
he-wants-forms-team-to-investigate-the-fbi


Barr is a lifelong shill, liar and traitor, paid to cover for fascist criminals. Period. He's never been anything else.

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Wednesday, April 10, 2019 6:12 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Translation = "Anybody who I don't agree with is a lying sack of shit."

Do Right, Be Right. :)

No, you mental midget. Anybody who's lying is a lying sack of shit.

Figure it out, wet brain.

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Wednesday, April 10, 2019 7:08 PM

REAVERFAN


William Barr Is Shooting Squid Ink for Republicans to Hide Behind
Here's a preview of the next two years of American governance.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a27101724/william-barr-
investigate-fbi-trump-russia
/

In case you missed it on Tuesday night, the United States Department of Justice is now operating as an expensive and elaborate Fox Nation comment section.

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Wednesday, April 10, 2019 8:01 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Translation = "Anybody who I don't agree with is a lying sack of shit."

Do Right, Be Right. :)

No, you mental midget. Anybody who's lying is a lying sack of shit.

Figure it out, wet brain.



Look at that. Baseless insults to me all day long on just about every current thread in the RWED, but silence from you on the one you got owned on, huh?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, April 11, 2019 2:56 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


When facts fail them they toss out insults. It's the last resort of little minds.

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Thursday, April 11, 2019 3:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
No. What Barr is talking about is SURVEILLANCE. In your terms, spying.

The Trump campaign was SURVEILLED. That's what the (multiple) FISA warrants were all about. That SURVEILLANCE began well before Mueller's INVESTIGATION.

I capitalized those terms so that maybe they'll stick in your mind as separate entities. I hope you can manage to keep it straight this time.




What a Russian troll. You're going to make a fool of yourself in this thread, too, I see. I will enjoy laughing at your idiocy, yet again.

William Barr Gives Trump What He Wants, Forms Team to Investigate the F.B.I
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/04/william-barr-gives-trump-what-
he-wants-forms-team-to-investigate-the-fbi


Barr is a lifelong shill, liar and traitor, paid to cover for fascist criminals. Period. He's never been anything else.


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Thursday, April 11, 2019 7:30 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
When facts fail them they toss out insults. It's the last resort of little minds.



So when you type, "SLOPPYSECONDS" over and over, you're just showing us how little your mind is - check.

You're such a tool.

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Thursday, April 11, 2019 10:15 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Yep, GSTRING, ya got me. How's this for a deal: I stop calling you GSTRING and you stop lying? Care to try?

Let's see how long you last.


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Thursday, April 11, 2019 12:41 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yep, GSTRING, ya got me. How's this for a deal: I stop calling you GSTRING and you stop lying? Care to try?

Let's see how long you last.





Gee - thanks for admitting your hypocrisy.

How's this for a deal: you only call people liars when they actually lie, and not just when they make you look bad?

I'll even give you a mulligan on your last post.


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Thursday, April 11, 2019 2:40 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yep, GSTRING, ya got me. How's this for a deal: I stop calling you GSTRING and you stop lying? Care to try?

Let's see how long you last.





Gee - thanks for admitting your hypocrisy.

How's this for a deal: you only call people liars when they actually lie, and not just when they make you look bad?

I'll even give you a mulligan on your last post.


Oh, I have demonstrated over and over again when you lie. For example, every time you called me a "russian troll" you lied. Every time you blatantly said that I posted something that I didn't, you lied. As long as you keep on lying I'll keep on pointing it out, AND I'll keep on calling you GSTRING!

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Thursday, April 11, 2019 4:02 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:

How's this for a deal: you only call people liars when they actually lie, and not just when they make you look bad?




Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, I have demonstrated over and over again when you lie...




That didn't take long!

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Friday, April 12, 2019 2:20 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Ding, ding, ding!!!

What do we have for him Johnny!?

A set of Ginzu steak knives!!!

Fantastic!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:

How's this for a deal: you only call people liars when they actually lie, and not just when they make you look bad?




Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, I have demonstrated over and over again when you lie...




That didn't take long!


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Friday, April 12, 2019 2:38 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


No, you're a lying sack of shit when you deliberately lie to put one over on people. Generally reserved for politicians, but currently the market is being cornered by the Trump Administration and the rest of his lackeys.

Barr lied when he had the balls to say that the Trump campaign was "spied"
on. WTF!?

The main thing that got me: When he was asked what proof he had.

He didn't have a shred of evidence. He just thought he would say it, ya' know
because Trump says it all the time.
Proof!? We don't need proof. We are Republicans. WE are Lying Sacks of Shit!

I agree with that.

NO translation needed.

SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Translation = "Anybody who I don't agree with is a lying sack of shit."

Do Right, Be Right. :)


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Friday, April 12, 2019 12:47 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


HEY GSTRING. let's take a little trip down memory lane and revisit some of your lies about me! This is just for starters, in order of how google spit them up. There's lots more where these came from!

Quote:

Everyone here knows that's exactly what SIGs' thread here is. A hate thread. It isn't the first, and it's far from the last. Hey SIG, it's OK if they only kill Jews isn't it?

Hey I know, why don't you get a one stop shopping migrant thread going as well. We've read some of your thoughts on that subject as well. They fit right in with your bigoted agenda here.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mreply.aspx?q=y&mid=1029252

^ You are one well practiced, compulsive liar. What was the name of that guy that wrote about his drug addiction and he went on Oprah and spilled his guts and he was all over media coverage about his amazing story? It was gripping stuff. And then we found out he lied about it all.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=62736


Weird and uncomfortable: Signym and Auraptor holding hands and singing Kumbaya together... -
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=61769


You've even started down the path of first saying, "there was zero collusion, none, nada." to "there's no law against collusion! It's okay to collude with another super power. Hillary did!"
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=61769


I also wonder what Siggy's Mexican servants feel about her wanting to send millions of Mexicans back to Mexico.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=62169



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Friday, April 12, 2019 8:57 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote of the week - on Barr: "A pathetic porcine puppet for a puerile president." (Professor Laurence Tribe of Harvard quote in ref: to DOJ Barr) http://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1116094129530986499

Perfect!

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Friday, April 12, 2019 10:50 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Oh wow! Big-word name-calling with alliteration! Well, that must account for SOMEthing!

QUICK!
Who was it that said "pusillanimous pussyfooters" and "supercilious sophisticates"?

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Friday, April 12, 2019 10:54 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

No, you're a lying sack of shit when you deliberately lie to put one over on people. Generally reserved for politicians, but currently the market is being cornered by the Trump Administration and the rest of his lackeys.

Barr lied when he had the balls to say that the Trump campaign was "spied"
on. WTF!?

The main thing that got me: When he was asked what proof he had.

He didn't have a shred of evidence. He just thought he would say it, ya' know
because Trump says it all the time.
Proof!? We don't need proof. We are Republicans. WE are Lying Sacks of Shit!

DULLBADKID. Apparently you missed THE important point: Barr didn't back off of the "spying" accusation (the Trump campaign WAS spied on) but whether the spying was "predicated" ... in other words, was it legally justified?

So, spying? YES.
Illegal spying? MAYBE.

Jeez, get it straight this time willya? This is the SECOND time I posted about that.

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Friday, April 12, 2019 11:21 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Translation = "Anybody who I don't agree with is a lying sack of shit."

Do Right, Be Right. :)



Nailed it.

Collusion Delusion chumps be like …





Rosenstein: Criticism of Barr’s Handling of Mueller Report ‘Bizarre’

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein pushed back Thursday against allegations that Attorney General William Barr had been biased in his handling of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s final report, calling such accusations “bizarre.”
“He’s being as forthcoming as he can,” Rosenstein told the Wall Street Journal. “And so this notion that he’s trying to mislead people, I think is just completely bizarre.”

Barr, a Trump appointee, submitted a four-page summary of the nearly 400-page report to the House and Senate Judiciary Committees last month, in which he stated that Mueller had found no collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia but had left open the question of whether the president obstructed justice during the probe. (Rosenstein and Barr subsequently declined to file obstruction charges against Trump, saying nothing none of the president’s actions had “corrupt intent.”)


https://news.yahoo.com/rosenstein-criticism-barr-handling-mueller-1654
44785.html



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Saturday, April 13, 2019 9:12 AM

REAVERFAN


Still shilling to cover up Trump's crimes.


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Saturday, April 13, 2019 9:12 AM

REAVERFAN


Still shilling to cover up Trump's crimes.


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Saturday, April 13, 2019 2:21 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


What crimes?

Flying pallets of cash , in the dead of night, on unmarked cargo planes, to Tehran ?

Running guns to help ISIS in Syria ?

Targeting US citizens w/the IRS , illegally, for purely political purposes ?

Putting journalists in jail ?

Oh, wait... that was the LAST administration.


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Saturday, April 13, 2019 2:32 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

QUICK!
Who was it that said "pusillanimous pussyfooters" and "supercilious sophisticates"?




Kiki?

Yosemite Sam!

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Saturday, April 13, 2019 2:57 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
What crimes?

Flying pallets of cash , in the dead of night, on unmarked cargo planes, to Tehran ?

Running guns to help ISIS in Syria ?

Targeting US citizens w/the IRS , illegally, for purely political purposes ?

Putting journalists in jail ?

Oh, wait... that was the LAST administration.


No.

Why are you such a liar? Why are you so completely full of shit?

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Saturday, April 13, 2019 3:49 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

The AG is proving to be a FUCKING Shill and a lying Sack o' Shit.


SGG



Yep, so far that appears to be the case.

T



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Saturday, April 13, 2019 4:11 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:

Why are you such a liar? Why are you so completely full of shit?



Where have I lied ?

And why can't you answer a simple question ?

I see you can name call just fine, but your posts have no substance.

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Sunday, April 14, 2019 2:45 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Barr's testimony:
Two interesting points; one at 2:15 a long pause before he finally mumbled his answer.

Then at 4:04 - "I have an obligation to see that government power is NOT abused."

Wow. He actually said that.



then this:



And here is "Mumbles" once again bullshitting his way through questioning regarding his "spying occurred" statement. Notice how he tries to deflect
and distract the committee member by trying to suggest he didn't say what
he said. You could almost smell the shit coming from his pie hole.

Siggy, don't even try it. The word "spying" connotes a certain underhandedness
and hints at illegitimacy, "the practice is clandestine". There is a fine line between spying and surveillance. But usually surveillance involves legitimate investigation and good cause to initiate the probe.

I watched the House committee hearing and couldn't take his bullshit for more than an hour. It was just more of the same lies that this administration is
known for.

By the way, I don't give a fuck about your posts cause they're the same company line - bullshit. So, GFY and use the broomstick you rode in on.

Willya!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

No, you're a lying sack of shit when you deliberately lie to put one over on people. Generally reserved for politicians, but currently the market is being cornered by the Trump Administration and the rest of his lackeys.

Barr lied when he had the balls to say that the Trump campaign was "spied"
on. WTF!?

The main thing that got me: When he was asked what proof he had.

He didn't have a shred of evidence. He just thought he would say it, ya' know
because Trump says it all the time.
Proof!? We don't need proof. We are Republicans. WE are Lying Sacks of Shit!

DULLBADKID. Apparently you missed THE important point: Barr didn't back off of the "spying" accusation (the Trump campaign WAS spied on) but whether the spying was "predicated" ... in other words, was it legally justified?

So, spying? YES.
Illegal spying? MAYBE.

Jeez, get it straight this time willya? This is the SECOND time I posted about that.

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SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


"SHINY", I listened to the videos, and it was just like the transcript which was posted. There was nothing new there, and I think Barr was EXTREMELY clear about what he was doing and why. I don't know why you have a problem with his statement - it seems straighforward to me. Maybe you haven't been following that particular concern, but it seems as if the FBI used unverified information (the "dossier") to justify getting multiple FISA (Foreign Intelligence SURVEILLANCE Act) warrants without letting the judge know how sketchy the information was. If the judge had full information, he (or she) might not have even granted the warrant. That's what barr mean when he said "predicated" ... legally justified.

If that's the case, then there was underhandedness going on, and that's what Barr is going to look into. Are you saying that he shouldn't?

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Sunday, April 14, 2019 7:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
"SHINY", I listened to the videos, and it was just like the transcript which was posted. There was nothing new there, and I think Barr was EXTREMELY clear about what he was doing and why. I don't know why you have a problem with his statement - it seems straighforward to me. Maybe you haven't been following that particular concern, but it seems as if the FBI used unverified information (the "dossier") to justify getting multiple FISA (Foreign Intelligence SURVEILLANCE Act) warrants without letting the judge know how sketchy the information was. If the judge had full information, he (or she) might not have even granted the warrant. That's what barr mean when he said "predicated" ... legally justified.

If that's the case, then there was underhandedness going on, and that's what Barr is going to look into. Are you saying that he shouldn't?

Barr was hired as Trump's hatchet man because Jeff Sessions would not bend the law in whatever direction Trump desired. For example, Sessions would not, but Barr would, investigate these warrants as Trump requested. (A thousand tweeted "Witch Hunts" made plain what Trump has wanted for years but Sessions would not give him. That's why Sessions was fired.) What is being said is that neither Barr nor Signym can think straight when Trump wants them to think crooked. The vaunted human capacity for reason has more to do with winning arguments than with thinking straight. An experimental example of how that works:

In 1975, researchers at Stanford invited a group of undergraduates to take part in a study about suicide. They were presented with pairs of suicide notes. In each pair, one note had been composed by a random individual, the other by a person who had subsequently taken his own life. The students were then asked to distinguish between the genuine notes and the fake ones.

Some students discovered that they had a genius for the task. Out of twenty-five pairs of notes, they correctly identified the real one twenty-four times. Others discovered that they were hopeless. They identified the real note in only ten instances.

As is often the case with psychological studies, the whole setup was a put-on. Though half the notes were indeed genuine—they’d been obtained from the Los Angeles County coroner’s office—the scores were fictitious. The students who’d been told they were almost always right were, on average, no more discerning than those who had been told they were mostly wrong.

In the second phase of the study, the deception was revealed. The students were told that the real point of the experiment was to gauge their responses to thinking they were right or wrong. (This, it turned out, was also a deception.) Finally, the students were asked to estimate how many suicide notes they had actually categorized correctly, and how many they thought an average student would get right. At this point, something curious happened. The students in the high-score group said that they thought they had, in fact, done quite well—significantly better than the average student—even though, as they’d just been told, they had zero grounds for believing this. Conversely, those who’d been assigned to the low-score group said that they thought they had done significantly worse than the average student—a conclusion that was equally unfounded.

“Once formed,” the researchers observed dryly, “impressions are remarkably perseverant.” Remember that, Signym, while using "reason". Reason is in air quotes because what Signym does with so little effort has nothing to do with truth. It's always only about winning an argument and not getting caught and having your teeth punched in.

More at "Why Facts Don't Change Our Minds"
www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/02/27/why-facts-dont-change-our-minds

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Sunday, April 14, 2019 8:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
"SHINY", I listened to the videos, and it was just like the transcript which was posted. There was nothing new there, and I think Barr was EXTREMELY clear about what he was doing and why. I don't know why you have a problem with his statement - it seems straighforward to me. Maybe you haven't been following that particular concern, but it seems as if the FBI used unverified information (the "dossier") to justify getting multiple FISA (Foreign Intelligence SURVEILLANCE Act) warrants without letting the judge know how sketchy the information was. If the judge had full information, he (or she) might not have even granted the warrant. That's what barr mean when he said "predicated" ... legally justified.

If that's the case, then there was underhandedness going on, and that's what Barr is going to look into. Are you saying that he shouldn't?




SIG's usual dose of condescension - always a winner.

FISA - It was fine when GOP candidates employed someone for the info, but now it's not?

What was wrong with it again, exactly? Cites and links thanks. No one seems to want to answer that, rather just make assumptions or unfounded accusations.

Most objective people want to know what Trump's connections to Russia are. What his liabilities are. He's our president - any even marginally concerned citizen would want to know if someone has him on a leash. Trump's as dirty as a landfill and lies like a dog. You have to have less than 2 brain cells to not suspect he's compromised. Why else has he lied so much about Russia? I know you have no intelligent answer for that, but give a try, hon.

No one answers why for 2 years and with complete control of congress, the GOP never once tried to prosecute OBAMA or CLINTON. If they are so guilty of so many crimes, why not? JSF has run from that question for a couple months now - turn on the lights and the roaches run away.

All you Goppers going to run away again? That's all you guys seem to have - hiding.

Why does Trump hide his tax returns? Why does Barr/Trump keep hiding the Mueller report? All this hiding just like you guys do here.

No answers? I think I hear goppers scrambling, running away again.


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Roland B. Hedley Jr. @RealRBHJr

POTUS often slammed for appointing inexperienced hacks, but William Barr played critical role in TWO previous Cover-ups -- Iran-Contra and Iraqgate. NO ONE more qualified for his current role! Sorry, haters, resumés don't lie!
https://twitter.com/RealRBHJr/status/1113621946971951104

William Barr Supported Pardons In An Earlier D.C. 'Witch Hunt': Iran-Contra
www.npr.org/2019/01/14/684553791/william-barr-supported-pardons-in-an-
earlier-d-c-witch-hunt-iran-contra


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Sunday, April 14, 2019 8:56 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


So. lacking any actual evidence, and ignoring the fact that Mueller would also have to be in on the ' cover up ', you instead reach back 30 years and draw your own contrived conclusions as PROOF ?



Good luck w/ that !

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Sunday, April 14, 2019 9:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:

Why are you such a liar? Why are you so completely full of shit?



Where have I lied ?

And why can't you answer a simple question ?

I see you can name call just fine, but your posts have no substance.

Jesus fuck, I quoted you, you lying piece of shit. Sealioning is not substance, you dolt.


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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
So. lacking any actual evidence, and ignoring the fact that Mueller would also have to be in on the ' cover up ', you instead reach back 30 years and draw your own contrived conclusions as PROOF ?

Are Barr's words proof of Barr's motivations? Yes, they are. Then-Attorney General Barr supported the president's decision to pardon everyone in the Iran-Contra case, which gave clemency to people who had been officials in the administration of President Ronald Reagan, including former Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger. He had been set to go on trial to face charges about lying to Congress.

To the man who led the Iran-Contra investigation, however, the pardons represented a miscarriage of justice.

"It demonstrates that powerful people with powerful allies can commit serious crimes in high office, deliberately abusing the public trust without consequences," said Lawrence Walsh, the independent prosecutor in the case, at the time of the pardons.

Barr said later that he believed Bush had made the right decision and that he felt people in the case had been treated unfairly. I also believe. I believe and feel that Barr is a lying sack of shit. He did not suddenly become truthful once he accepted Trump's appointment to be Attorney General. Barr's history of lying was his qualification for the job, something that Jeff Sessions would not do for Trump and that is why Sessions was fired.

"The big ones — obviously, the Iran-Contra ones — I certainly did not oppose any of them," Barr said as part of the Presidential Oral History Program of the Miller Center at the University of Virginia.

"I favored the broadest pardon authority," Barr said. "There were some people just arguing just for Weinberger. I said, 'No — in for a penny, in for a pound.' " Pardon all the criminals. Nobody goes to trial.

www.npr.org/2019/01/14/684553791/william-barr-supported-pardons-in-an-
earlier-d-c-witch-hunt-iran-contra


www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/07/jeff-sessions-loyalty-of
fice-trump


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Sunday, April 14, 2019 1:11 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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"SHINY", I listened to the videos, and it was just like the transcript which was posted. There was nothing new there, and I think Barr was EXTREMELY clear about what he was doing and why. I don't know why you have a problem with his statement - it seems straighforward to me. Maybe you haven't been following that particular concern, but it seems as if the FBI used unverified information (the "dossier") to justify getting multiple FISA (Foreign Intelligence SURVEILLANCE Act) warrants without letting the judge know how sketchy the information was. If the judge had full information, he (or she) might not have even granted the warrant. That's what barr mean when he said "predicated" ... legally justified.

If that's the case, then there was underhandedness going on, and that's what Barr is going to look into. Are you saying that he shouldn't? -SIGNY

SIG's usual dose of condescension - always a winner. -

GSTRING's usual attacks- always a winner!

Quote:

FISA - It was fine when GOP candidates employed someone for the info, but now it's not?- GSTRING
Who is this "someone" and when did the GOP employ them? When did the GOP request a FISA warrant on political rivals? In other words: what are you talking about? Details, cites and links please.

Quote:

What was wrong with it again, exactly? Cites and links thanks. No one seems to want to answer that, rather just make assumptions or unfounded accusations.
First of all, Barr was EXTREMELY clear that he was not "accusing" "the FBI" of anything ... he had a question about the legality of the spying, which is what he is attempting to answer. FISA warrants are beyond TOP SECRET. Duh! It's not like you or I are are about to get a link to them.

So, are you saying that Barr should not look into the FISA warrants and the process that obtained them?

Quote:

Most objective people want to know what Trump's connections to Russia are.
That was the subject of the Mueller investigation.

Quote:

What his liabilities are.
That was ALSO the subject of the Mueller investigation.

Perhaps you haven't heard? IT'S OVER.

Even tho the Trump campaign was being SURVEILLED IN REAL TIME, they didn't find anything then.

And even tho Mueller did an anal probe of the Trump campaign after-the-fact, he didn't find anything indictable there either.

Despite all of the "golden showers" and "Trump hotel" hysteria in the M$M ... which btw they should really apologize for that never-ending blizzard of fake news... there was nothing there.

Quote:

He's our president - any even marginally concerned citizen would want to know ... blah blah blah
Done to death, dood. IT'S OVER. A big nothing-burger. Put a cap on your "concerned citizen" justifications for your endless baseless breatheles hand-wringing. There are a lot of things to be concerned about as far as Trump is concerned, but RUSSIA!!! isn't one of them.

*****

Now, if you want to know what I think the origins of Trump's "make nice with Russia" policy were ... Trump has a number of sincere but disconnected reactions. That's why he can want to reset our relationship with Russia but also want to regime change in Iran and Venezuela, and tolerate Israel's incursions into Syria, all of which are Russia's partners. It's not as if he's globally "for" Russian interests.

I think the source of Trump's response to Russia is his uncle who worked in "nuclear". Somewhere along the way, Trump got the idea that nuclear Armageddon wasn't a good idea - go figure! He took that to heart, and knowing that Russia is our biggest nuclear rival and that between us we could destroy the world several times over, that is a fate he wanted to avoid. To the extent that your collective RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! hysteria has derailed Trump from that goal ... that's a bad thing, not a good thing.

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Sunday, April 14, 2019 3:11 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Deuce - again, you're reaching back 3 decades to an entirely different situation and completely unrelated matter.

Can't deal w/ the facts of today, so instead you harken back to conspiracy theories and connect the dots " logic ".

Pity.

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Sunday, April 14, 2019 4:18 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:


“Once formed,” the researchers observed dryly, “impressions are remarkably perseverant.” Remember that, Signym, while using "reason". Reason is in air quotes because what Signym does with so little effort has nothing to do with truth. It's always only about winning an argument and not getting caught and having your teeth punched in.

Do you always resort to punching someone's teeth in when reason fails you?

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Sunday, April 14, 2019 4:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SECOND:
“Once formed,” the researchers observed dryly, “impressions are remarkably perseverant.”

You should keep that in mind, SECOND. You're the one who persists in thinking the same thing despite a complete lack of evidence.

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Tuesday, April 16, 2019 2:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:


"SHINY", I listened to the videos, and it was just like the transcript which was posted. There was nothing new there, and I think Barr was EXTREMELY clear about what he was doing and why. I don't know why you have a problem with his statement - it seems straighforward to me. Maybe you haven't been following that particular concern, but it seems as if the FBI used unverified information (the "dossier") to justify getting multiple FISA (Foreign Intelligence SURVEILLANCE Act) warrants without letting the judge know how sketchy the information was. If the judge had full information, he (or she) might not have even granted the warrant. That's what barr mean when he said "predicated" ... legally justified.

If that's the case, then there was underhandedness going on, and that's what Barr is going to look into. Are you saying that he shouldn't? -SIGNY

SIG's usual dose of condescension - always a winner. -

GSTRING's usual attacks- always a winner!

Quote:

FISA - It was fine when GOP candidates employed someone for the info, but now it's not?- GSTRING
Who is this "someone" and when did the GOP employ them? When did the GOP request a FISA warrant on political rivals? In other words: what are you talking about? Details, cites and links please.

Quote:

What was wrong with it again, exactly? Cites and links thanks. No one seems to want to answer that, rather just make assumptions or unfounded accusations.
First of all, Barr was EXTREMELY clear that he was not "accusing" "the FBI" of anything ... he had a question about the legality of the spying, which is what he is attempting to answer. FISA warrants are beyond TOP SECRET. Duh! It's not like you or I are are about to get a link to them.

So, are you saying that Barr should not look into the FISA warrants and the process that obtained them?

Quote:

Most objective people want to know what Trump's connections to Russia are.
That was the subject of the Mueller investigation.

Quote:

What his liabilities are.
That was ALSO the subject of the Mueller investigation.

Perhaps you haven't heard? IT'S OVER.

Even tho the Trump campaign was being SURVEILLED IN REAL TIME, they didn't find anything then.

And even tho Mueller did an anal probe of the Trump campaign after-the-fact, he didn't find anything indictable there either.

Despite all of the "golden showers" and "Trump hotel" hysteria in the M$M ... which btw they should really apologize for that never-ending blizzard of fake news... there was nothing there.

Quote:

He's our president - any even marginally concerned citizen would want to know ... blah blah blah
Done to death, dood. IT'S OVER. A big nothing-burger. Put a cap on your "concerned citizen" justifications for your endless baseless breatheles hand-wringing. There are a lot of things to be concerned about as far as Trump is concerned, but RUSSIA!!! isn't one of them.

*****

Now, if you want to know what I think the origins of Trump's "make nice with Russia" policy were ... Trump has a number of sincere but disconnected reactions. That's why he can want to reset our relationship with Russia but also want to regime change in Iran and Venezuela, and tolerate Israel's incursions into Syria, all of which are Russia's partners. It's not as if he's globally "for" Russian interests.

I think the source of Trump's response to Russia is his uncle who worked in "nuclear". Somewhere along the way, Trump got the idea that nuclear Armageddon wasn't a good idea - go figure! He took that to heart, and knowing that Russia is our biggest nuclear rival and that between us we could destroy the world several times over, that is a fate he wanted to avoid. To the extent that your collective RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! hysteria has derailed Trump from that goal ... that's a bad thing, not a good thing.




^I don't know how I missed this response! That has to be the largest, steamiest pile of sh*t you have ever dropped on this forum! You're going to need the extra strong, extra long rolls of Charmin to clean that one up, goddamn!


"Now, if you want to know what I think the origins of Trump's "make nice with Russia" policy were..."
So that's what they want you to call it?


Yes, the Mueller report is over - have you read it? Do you know of anyone who has? Barr? And we should trust him... why?

Come on, seriously, shouldn't Barr being opening another investigation into Clinton and Benghazi already? Lucky number 8!

Your writing style has drifted away from any attempts at logic and critical discourse and found it's way into pure farce. Thank you! It's a style that perfectly suits your opinions - funny sh*t!

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Tuesday, April 16, 2019 7:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:


“Once formed,” the researchers observed dryly, “impressions are remarkably perseverant.” Remember that, Signym, while using "reason". Reason is in air quotes because what Signym does with so little effort has nothing to do with truth. It's always only about winning an argument and not getting caught and having your teeth punched in.

Do you always resort to punching someone's teeth in when reason fails you?

There were no consequences to Barr for misleading Congress in 1989. In a better world, Congress would have smashed him immediately, but that didn't happen. Obviously Congress learned nothing from 1989 because it, once again, confirmed Barr's appointment to Attorney General.

Barr’s Playbook: He Misled Congress When Omitting Parts of Justice Dep’t Memo in 1989

www.justsecurity.org/63635/barrs-playbook-he-misled-congress-when-omit
ting-parts-of-justice-dept-memo-in-1989
/

On Friday the thirteenth October 1989, by happenstance the same day as the “Black Friday” market crash, news leaked of a legal memo authored by William Barr. He was then serving as head of the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC). It is highly uncommon for any OLC memo to make headlines. This one did because it was issued in “unusual secrecy” and concluded that the FBI could forcibly abduct people in other countries without the consent of the foreign state. The headline also noted the implication of the legal opinion at that moment in time. It appeared to pave the way for abducting Panama’s leader, Gen. Manuel Noriega.

Members of Congress asked to see the full legal opinion. Barr refused, but said he would provide an account that “summarizes the principal conclusions.” Sound familiar? In March 2019, when Attorney General Barr was handed Robert Mueller’s final report, he wrote that he would “summarize the principal conclusions” of the special counsel’s report for the public.

When Barr withheld the full OLC opinion in 1989 and said to trust his summary of the principal conclusions, Yale law school professor Harold Koh wrote that Barr’s position was “particularly egregious.” Congress also had no appetite for Barr’s stance, and eventually issued a subpoena to successfully wrench the full OLC opinion out of the Department.

What’s different from that struggle and the current struggle over the Mueller report is that we know how the one in 1989 eventually turned out.

When the OLC opinion was finally made public long after Barr left office, it was clear that Barr’s summary had failed to fully disclose the opinion’s principal conclusions. It is better to think of Barr’s summary as a redacted version of the full OLC opinion. That’s because the “summary” took the form of 13 pages of written testimony. The document was replete with quotations from court cases, legal citations, and the language of the OLC opinion itself. Despite its highly detailed analysis, this 13-page version omitted some of the most consequential and incendiary conclusions from the actual opinion. And there was evidently no justifiable reason for having withheld those parts from Congress or the public.

More at www.justsecurity.org/63635/barrs-playbook-he-misled-congress-when-omit
ting-parts-of-justice-dept-memo-in-1989
/

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Tuesday, April 16, 2019 10:57 AM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by GSTRING
... largest, steamiest pile of sh*t ... pure farce ... more name-calling .... "they want you to call it" and more insinuations of "Russian troll" ... Benghazi and more distraction and subject-changing

Yep, pure GSTRING gold.

Quote:

Yes, the Mueller report is over - have you read it? Do you know of anyone who has? Barr? And we should trust him... why?
By law, the Intelligence Committees (in both Houses) are due the unredacted report as it relates to Russia as far as I understand. But they don't have access to unrelated unedacted materials because of privacy due to people who were investigated but not indicted.

Interestingly, but not surprisingly, you completely avoided answering my question about one of YOUR STATEMENTS

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FISA - It was fine when GOP candidates employed someone for the info, but now it's not?- GSTRING

Who is this "someone" and when did the GOP employ them? When did the GOP request a FISA warrant on political rivals? In other words: what are you talking about? Details, cites and links please- SIGNY

WTF are you going on about? Is it possible that you made a completely nonsensical statement and are anxious to avoid explaining it?
So, what DID you mean?


You failed to address the comment that even tho the Trump campaign was surveilled in real time, they didn't find anything then, either. But perhaps you don't understand the nature of a FISA warrant.

You are also anxious to avoid that whole "fruit of the poisoned tree" concept, that evidence gained illegally is inadmissible. Also, that one or more of the intelligence agencies might have stooped to illegally-obtained warrants. I guess you don't think much of Constitutional protections and our other democratic institutions, do you?

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Tuesday, April 16, 2019 2:50 PM

REAVERFAN


Trump’s Attorney General Has A History Of Lying To The Public
https://trofire.com/2019/04/16/trumps-attorney-general-has-a-history-o
f-lying-to-the-public
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Gosh! You don't say?

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Tuesday, April 16, 2019 10:06 PM

REAVERFAN


Barr Has A History Of Writing Summaries That Obscure The Truth: A 1989 memo Barr wrote summarizing the “principal conclusions” of a D.O.J. ruling apparently left out several of those principal conclusions.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/04/william-barr-mueller-report-su
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No collusion* between Trump and Russia. Do you feel better now?
Sat, May 25, 2019 01:46 - 12 posts
NYT prints fake news about Trump EPA, then stealth edits error.
Sat, May 25, 2019 01:07 - 22 posts
Man's house is broken into because Barack Obama is gay
Sat, May 25, 2019 01:01 - 13 posts
Mueller Investagation Is Over
Fri, May 24, 2019 21:07 - 746 posts
In the garden, and RAIN!!!!
Fri, May 24, 2019 18:25 - 1949 posts
The secret plot to depose Trump
Fri, May 24, 2019 17:49 - 115 posts
A thread for Democrats Only
Fri, May 24, 2019 15:40 - 2432 posts
The truth: It's too late. We will go extinct, very soon. Enjoy the time you have left.
Fri, May 24, 2019 12:59 - 332 posts
You can't take the sky from me, a tribute to Firefly
Fri, May 24, 2019 12:14 - 212 posts
Get Woke, Go Broke
Fri, May 24, 2019 09:57 - 13 posts
The Progressive Left
Fri, May 24, 2019 04:06 - 27 posts

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