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Wednesday, October 16, 2019 9:26 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
BTW... none of those bullet points are legit. Either they are flat out not criminal "offenses" (which only some people are even offended by), but the rest of them are hearsay and/or anonymous claims with no actual evidence to back them up.



What a great debating strategy! "Nuh-uh!" Waving that big red "Clueless" flag again.

Clearly, Trump's Ukraine phone transcript is evidence at the very least of abuse of power. I suppose you can go turtle and keep saying "nuh-uh!" about everything though - have at it.



You can find people who say that it was treason. There are just as many people who say it was diplomacy.

Whatever dude. Democrats hung themselves on this one. Get over it.

Otherwise you're in for a long 5 years.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/15/moodys-trump-on-his-way-to-an-easy-202
0-win-if-economy-holds-up.html


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Key Points

President Donald Trump will win reelection easily in 2020 if the economy holds up, modeling by Moody’s Analytics shows.
“If voters were to vote primarily on the basis of their pocketbooks, the president would steamroll the competition,” the report states.
Three models show Trump getting at least 289 electoral votes and as many as 351, assuming average turnout.
The Moody’s models have been backtested to 1980 and were correct each time — except in 2016, when it indicated Clinton would get a narrow victory.



https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/15/warning-to-democrats-economy-
points-to-a-trump-win-047021


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-in-a-landslide-this-historical
ly-accurate-model-predicts-exactly-that-2019-10-15


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/15/reuters-america-barring-a-turnout-surg
e-strong-economy-favors-trump-in-2020-researchers-say.html


https://www.newsweek.com/historically-accurate-election-forecaster-pre
dicts-trump-will-win-even-greater-margin-2020-1465494


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-forecast/barring-a-tur
nout-surge-strong-economy-favors-trump-in-2020-researchers-say-idUSKBN1WU2P7


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/presidential-election-model-th
at-got-it-wrong-once-in-40-years-predicts-trump-2020-win



I'll just sit back and watch myself be right again. I don't have to debate anything with people who are clearly wrong all the time.


https://www.moodysanalytics.com/-/media/article/2019/president-electio
n-model.pdf


(BTW... Yes, that's a possible 380 electoral votes for Trump's re-election with low voter turnout. It's not a typo. Maybe the 351 that the first article I posted by CNBC was? Either that, they didn't bother to actually look at the report, OR THEY WERE LYING AGAIN.)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, October 16, 2019 9:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I'll just sit back and watch myself be right again. I don't have to debate anything with people who are clearly wrong all the time.


https://www.moodysanalytics.com/-/media/article/2019/president-electio
n-model.pdf


(BTW... Yes, that's a possible 380 electoral votes for Trump's re-election with low voter turnout. It's not a typo. Maybe the 351 that the first article I posted by CNBC was? Either that, they didn't bother to actually look at the report, OR THEY WERE LYING AGAIN.)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, you are counting your chickens before they hatch:

Moody’s found that if turnout among non-incumbent voters — Democrats and independents — were to match historical highs, the Democratic nominee would win under the stock market and employment models as well as an average of the three models.

And plenty could still change between now and next November that would move state-level economic models away from Trump, especially in the critical states of Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin.

www.politico.com/news/2019/10/15/warning-to-democrats-economy-points-t
o-a-trump-win-047021


Moody’s also does not attempt to account for the personal characteristics of candidates, relying instead on typical voter behavior for generic nominees of either party. And Trump is about as far from a generic candidate as it is possible to be. On the other hand, V.P. Mike Pence is completely generic. I suggest Trump resign and Pence run for President.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:07 AM

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I looked at the whole report.

It says that under ideal (for you) conditions, the Democrats barely eek out a win.

Moody's has only been wrong once in 40 years. It said that Clinton would eek out a victory in 2016.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:29 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I looked at the whole report.

It says that under ideal (for you) conditions, the Democrats barely eek out a win.

Moody's has only been wrong once in 40 years. It said that Clinton would eek out a victory in 2016.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The ideal condition for me is a Republican party win, but I'm voting for Democrats because I have strongly negative opinions about Trump voters, opinions which have nothing to do with politics but everything to do with who these people are, although I will note that I like and admire the rich Trump voters who dislike Trump the Man, but will vote for Trump the President since he delivers for the rich. I'm also the kind of person who pines for the good old days when Firefly was making new episodes.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, October 16, 2019 5:00 PM

OLDGUY

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Second wrote: " I'm also the kind of person who pines for the good old days when Firefly was making new episodes. "

I've always found it interesting that we have such strong difference of opinion..and yet our views seem to be the same..just out of different portal?
example...Joss could make Firefly on the backside of his perspective of a Bush presidency, I could watch if while under the Obama presidency and we both see the same picture of a biased, lying, racist, unethical, unconstitutional, cheating, wealth grabbing , etc, etc. what you folks scream about under Trump.. I was screaming about under Obama. and I felt Firefly was every bit as appropriate in it's detest of one as it can be applied to another...but in the end, it seems as bad as we treat each other on this forum, we keep coming back...must be something in common..something we can sense, can "smell" about what's wrong in Washington..what's wrong with city mayors, state governors, congressman, judiciaries...whether it's postus, scotus, or scrotums...we all know it needs to change..to get better..and yet I think by the time we reach the years that Firefly is supposed to exist in...yep..we'll find it's every bit as foul...keep flying...

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Wednesday, October 16, 2019 5:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
BTW... none of those bullet points are legit. Either they are flat out not criminal "offenses" (which only some people are even offended by), but the rest of them are hearsay and/or anonymous claims with no actual evidence to back them up.



What a great debating strategy! "Nuh-uh!" Waving that big red "Clueless" flag again.

Clearly, Trump's Ukraine phone transcript is evidence at the very least of abuse of power. I suppose you can go turtle and keep saying "nuh-uh!" about everything though - have at it.



Ex-Aide Saw Gordon Sondland as a Potential National Security Risk

WASHINGTON — A former top White House foreign policy adviser told House impeachment investigators this week that she viewed Gordon D. Sondland, the United States ambassador to the European Union, as a potential national security risk because he was so unprepared for his job, according to two people familiar with her private testimony.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ex-aide-saw-gordon-sondland-as
-a-potential-national-security-risk/ar-AAISOb3?ocid=spartanntp


Just more shit for Jack to deny has any truth to it.


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Thursday, October 17, 2019 7:41 AM

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Originally posted by THG:

Can't wait for Bolton to be subpoenaed. He said he wants to get a chance to make his case against Trumps claims against him.

tick tock tick tock





John Bolton ‘Increasingly Likely’ to Get Subpoena From House Democrats

The possibility that they issue him a subpoena is “increasingly likely,” according to a source familiar with their thinking. Bolton was President Trump’s national security adviser from April 2018 until last month, when he unceremoniously left the White House.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/john-bolton-increasingly-likel
y-to-get-subpoena-from-house-democrats/ar-AAITzpg?ocid=spartanntp


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Thursday, October 17, 2019 7:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by OLDGUY:
Second wrote: " I'm also the kind of person who pines for the good old days when Firefly was making new episodes. "

I've always found it interesting that we have such strong difference of opinion..and yet our views seem to be the same..just out of different portal?
example...Joss could make Firefly on the backside of his perspective of a Bush presidency, I could watch if while under the Obama presidency and we both see the same picture of a biased, lying, racist, unethical, unconstitutional, cheating, wealth grabbing , etc, etc. what you folks scream about under Trump.. I was screaming about under Obama. and I felt Firefly was every bit as appropriate in it's detest of one as it can be applied to another...but in the end, it seems as bad as we treat each other on this forum, we keep coming back...must be something in common..something we can sense, can "smell" about what's wrong in Washington..what's wrong with city mayors, state governors, congressman, judiciaries...whether it's postus, scotus, or scrotums...we all know it needs to change..to get better..and yet I think by the time we reach the years that Firefly is supposed to exist in...yep..we'll find it's every bit as foul...keep flying...

I think Trump is trying to bring back Firefly. Actually, he is trying different entertaining ideas in hopes that one of those ideas gets network approval and an order for a 13 episode season on FOX, just like the original Firefly.

Trump and his supporters are in the exploratory phase of the impeachment defense show, trying various excuses on for size and hoping one resonates enough to get him through the mushrooming Ukraine scandal.

We've already seen various contenders: "perfect conversation," "no quid pro quo," "Democrat scam," "presidential harassment," allegations of a biased media and the idea that Trump is too great to impeach, among others. But there is one line of defense that stands above (or below) the rest for its sheer absurdity, mendacity and, well, chutzpah: Donald Trump, International Corruption Buster.

Prosecutors see all manner of defenses. Some are compelling, others vaguely plausible, still others laughable. But the notion of Donald J. Trump as a corruption-buster would be comedic if it wasn't so hypocritical and misleading. Trump may yet come up with a compelling defense against the rising tide of impeachment, but this sure isn't it.

When Trump was asked recently to name a single foreign corruption case he had shown any interest in — besides those involving his political opponents — Trump spun in a circle: "You know, we would have to look..." Apparently, Trump is still looking.

If the US government — typically through the Justice Department — wants to address foreign corruption lawfully and through official channels, it can formally request cooperation through a Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty. Such requests are commonplace and the fact that Trump operated outside established legal channels says everything about his intent.

More at www.cnn.com/2019/10/16/opinions/trumps-ridiculous-impeachment-defense-
honig/index.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, October 18, 2019 6:56 AM

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Schiff: Mulvaney comments on Ukraine aid have made things 'much, much worse'

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) said Thursday that acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney's comments linked the withholding of aid to Ukraine to investigations into the 2016 election have made things "much worse" for the president.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/schiff-mulvaney-comments-on-uk
raine-aid-have-made-things-much-much-worse/ar-AAIWhcE?ocid=spartanntp


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Friday, October 18, 2019 10:22 AM

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Impeachment is too important to leave to Congress. A lawless president won’t be constrained by establishment politics alone. (Keep in mind that Mitch McConnell decided in 2017 that he would never remove Trump. That is why Trump has always acted as if there were no guard rails to keep him on the road. He felt he could drive in the grass or go the wrong way against traffic.) It’s going to take mass mobilization to change Mitch's mind about Trump.

As long as the majority of Kentucky voters are telling Mitch McConnell that keeping Trump in the White House is essential for the voters to keep reelecting Mitch to the Senate, Mitch will keep Trump in the White House.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/18/20905686/resistance-protest
-impeachment-rallies-trump


"American elites rarely seem to do this, but they should consider the lesson that toppled Mariano Rajoy’s corrupt right-wing government in Spain in 2018, Park Geun-hye’s corrupt right-wing government in South Korea in 2017, and Sigmundur Davíð Gunnlaugsson’s corrupt right-wing government in Iceland in 2016: Large-scale public protests work."

"Democrats entered January 2017 with extremely little formal political power. They controlled neither the House nor the Senate nor the White House, and Trump’s victory also dashed their hopes of securing a majority in the Supreme Court.

Grassroots resistance organizations began to form, many operating under the Indivisible label, with a basic goal of maximizing the political price the Republican Party would pay for every forward step. The climate of resistance helped inspire courts to slap down several versions of Trump’s travel ban, helped keep the DACA program alive to this day, inspired civil servants to leak damaging information about Trump’s misconduct, and contributed to the defeat of the Affordable Care Act repeal."

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Saturday, October 19, 2019 10:17 AM

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Monday, October 21, 2019 10:54 AM

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Fox host calls out Mulvaney to his face for lying about quid pro quo


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Monday, October 21, 2019 11:32 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by OLDGUY:
Second wrote: " I'm also the kind of person who pines for the good old days when Firefly was making new episodes. "

I've always found it interesting that we have such strong difference of opinion..and yet our views seem to be the same..just out of different portal?
example...Joss could make Firefly on the backside of his perspective of a Bush presidency, I could watch if while under the Obama presidency and we both see the same picture of a biased, lying, racist, unethical, unconstitutional, cheating, wealth grabbing , etc, etc.

Call me an equal=opportuntiy critic, but how about seeing the same flaws in both? Because they do exist in both parties. If we keep up partisan/tribal bickering for sure nothing will change.

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Monday, October 21, 2019 12:25 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I haven't been following this story because I thought the facts have already been established with the transcript and corroborated by Zelinskiy but ...

"Quid pro quo" means ... literally... "this for that". Some kind of deal is struck where parties exchange something. In order for a deal to be struck, there has to be mutual understanding of what the "this" is versus the "that".

According to Zelinskiy, he didn't know that there was any funding delay, therefore it would have been impossible to pressure him into any specific action, therefore no "quid pro quo" could have been established. If you have any specific contrary information let me know.

It's kind of like the whole concept of "collusion" ... there has to be some sort of ongoing communication to establish joint responses in the face of changing circumstances.

It's not like these people can communicate by telepathy.

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Monday, October 21, 2019 12:40 PM

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According to Zelinskiy according to Zelinskiy, that's funny. Surly Zelinskiy saying Trump was extorting him would endear him to Trump. Surly this would insure Trumps continued support. What a moron comrade sig is.

Anybody with any understanding of how the world works would recognize that the better play is to keep Trumps secret. To hold it as an ace card over Trumps head. It's leverage against any hesitation on Trumps part to provide arms in the future. Wanna bet Zelinskiy got his anti-tank rockets?

I say, enough Russian trolling in these threads. Go home because it seems the Russians can't ever tell the truth.

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Monday, October 21, 2019 2:18 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


The word you're looking for THUGR is "surely" ... to act with assurances, to be sure.

The word you used was "surly" ...
Quote:

Definition of surly
1 : menacing or threatening in appearance surly weather
2 obsolete : arrogant, imperious
3 : irritably sullen and churlish in mood or manner : crabbed


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/surly

Altho it's just a typo, you managed to hit on a word that means something and I don't think that's what you meant.

I read the transcript, did you? Zelenskiy starts out by saying he's looking forward to purchasing the Javelin. If he thought there was a hangup in funding, how could he be looking forward to something he wasn't sure he would get?

I dunno ... this whole "impeachment" thing seems just as cockeyed as the RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA! hoax.




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Monday, October 21, 2019 2:36 PM

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Talking to Fox News’s Chris Wallace, Mulvaney insisted, absurdly, that he did not, in fact, confirm there was a quid pro quo with Ukraine. Wallace did not buy the make-believe story Mulvaney was selling. Unsurprisingly, within hours of his briefing concluding, Mulvaney released a statement denying he said what he said. That unconvincing damage control operation continues.

"Team Trump’s efforts to spin Mulvaney’s quid pro quo confession are not going well"
www.vox.com/2019/10/21/20924687/mick-mulvaney-fox-news-sunday-ukraine-
quid-pro-quo-mike-pompeo-this-week


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, October 21, 2019 2:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The word you're looking for THUGR is "surely" ... to act with assurances, to be sure.

The word you used was "surly" ...
Quote:

Definition of surly
1 : menacing or threatening in appearance surly weather
2 obsolete : arrogant, imperious
3 : irritably sullen and churlish in mood or manner : crabbed


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/surly

Altho it's just a typo, you managed to hit on a word that means something and I don't think that's what you meant.

I read the transcript, did you? Zelenskiy starts out by saying he's looking forward to purchasing the Javelin. If he thought there was a hangup in funding, how could he be looking forward to something he wasn't sure he would get?

I dunno ... this whole "impeachment" thing seems just as cockeyed as the RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA! hoax.




Enough of your Russian trolling. Look at the photo dipshit. It says it all. Zwlenskiy knows he's sitting next to a crazy person and he needs to be very very careful. After all, Trump and his cronies have been extorting him for quite a while now.
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Monday, October 21, 2019 3:02 PM

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TRUMP and his cronies??? Like ... Ivanka got a job with Energoatom (Kiev's nuclear power plant operator) for $50,000/ month and Trump got a $500,000 "speakers fee"? You mean ... something fact-free, like that?

Don't you mean Biden, his son, and a gaggle of DNC cronies and operatives have been extorting Ukraine for a long time?

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Monday, October 21, 2019 3:05 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Talking to Fox News’s Chris Wallace, Mulvaney insisted, absurdly, that he did not, in fact, confirm there was a quid pro quo with Ukraine. Wallace did not buy the make-believe story Mulvaney was selling. Unsurprisingly, within hours of his briefing concluding, Mulvaney released a statement denying he said what he said. That unconvincing damage control operation continues.

"Team Trump’s efforts to spin Mulvaney’s quid pro quo confession are not going well"
www.vox.com/2019/10/21/20924687/mick-mulvaney-fox-news-sunday-ukraine-
quid-pro-quo-mike-pompeo-this-week



Where is the evidence that points to a "quid pro quo"?

Oh that's right ... you live in a evidence-free world, which is why you keep getting fooled over and over ... from Vietnam all the way to today.

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Monday, October 21, 2019 3:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

TRUMP and his cronies??? Like ... Ivanka got a job with Energoatom (Kiev's nuclear power plant operator) for $50,000/ month and Trump got a $500,000 "speakers fee"? You mean ... something fact-free, like that?

Don't you mean Biden, his son, and a gaggle of DNC cronies and operatives have been extorting Ukraine for a long time?



You're just to stupid and dishonest to post anything with factual content comrade sig.


Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner, the president’s daughter and son-in-law, brought in at least $82 million in outside income while serving as senior White House advisers during 2017, according to new financial disclosure forms released Monday.

Ivanka Trump earned $3.9 million from her stake in the Trump International Hotel in Washington, while Kushner reported over $5 million in income from Quail Ridge, a Kushner Cos. apartment complex acquired last year in Plainsboro, N.J.

The filings show how the couple are collecting immense sums from other enterprises while serving in the White House, an extraordinary income flow that ethics experts have warned could create potential conflicts of interests.

http://emolumentsclause.com/index.php/2019/10/15/kushner-firms-gets-90
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Monday, October 21, 2019 3:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The word you're looking for THUGR is "surely" ... to act with assurances, to be sure.

The word you used was "surly" ...
Quote:

Definition of surly
1 : menacing or threatening in appearance surly weather
2 obsolete : arrogant, imperious
3 : irritably sullen and churlish in mood or manner : crabbed


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/surly

Altho it's just a typo, you managed to hit on a word that means something and I don't think that's what you meant.

I read the transcript, did you? Zelenskiy starts out by saying he's looking forward to purchasing the Javelin. If he thought there was a hangup in funding, how could he be looking forward to something he wasn't sure he would get?

I dunno ... this whole "impeachment" thing seems just as cockeyed as the RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA! hoax.




Enough of your Russian trolling. Look at the photo dipshit. It says it all. Zwlenskiy knows he's sitting next to a crazy person and he needs to be very very careful. After all, Trump and his cronies have been extorting him for quite a while now.
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Monday, October 21, 2019 4:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Where is the evidence that points to a "quid pro quo"?

Oh that's right ... you live in a evidence-free world, which is why you keep getting fooled over and over ... from Vietnam all the way to today.

You keep repeating "evidence-free" as if you can lie your way out of this. Pelosi said, “We have to stay focused as far as the public is concerned on the fact that the president of the United States used taxpayer dollars to shake down the leader of another country for his own political gain.”

The next phase of the impeachment process will likely be open hearings where already gathered evidence is presented to the public and the full House. That will include the most compelling testimony collected so far from witnesses, documents collected by House investigators and at times the president’s own words.

The House investigation has resulted in a flood of new information in recent weeks, including evidence that suggests Trump pushed aside the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch, so that a team of his political appointees — some calling themselves "the three amigos" — could pressure the Ukrainian government to create a corruption narrative, and possible charges, against the Bidens.

There has been no evidence of wrongdoing by either Biden.

Some evidence also suggests there was an effort to withhold a White House meeting sought by President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, as well as $391 million in aid Congress had appropriated to help Ukraine to defend itself against Russian aggression, unless Zelenskiy acquiesced to Trump's request to do him a “favor” by investigating an energy company linked to Hunter Biden.

In an Oct. 16 letter to the Democratic caucus, Schiff warned that defying subpoenas would be considered “evidence of the president’s effort to obstruct the impeachment inquiry, and we may also use that obstruction as additional evidence” of “the president’s underlying misconduct.”

www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/house-democrats-zer
o-abuse-power-trump-impeachment-inquiry-n1069431


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Tuesday, October 22, 2019 9:55 AM

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Tuesday, October 22, 2019 9:58 AM

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More testimony today about this from the diplomat who texted his concerns about Trump holding up aid for dirt on Biden.

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Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:19 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


If that's Hershey bars and Peanut Butter Cups in that bowl, that's a great deal.

I'd give dirt on Biden's son for candy corn.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:48 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
If that's Hershey bars and Peanut Butter Cups in that bowl, that's a great deal.

I'd give dirt on Biden's son for candy corn.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Trump is suppose to be at work this morning, but instead he is panicking : President Trump on Tuesday called the impeachment inquiry a “lynching” in an inflammatory tweet that drew swift condemnation from Democrats as a senior diplomat viewed as a key witness testifies.

House investigators are hearing from William B. Taylor Jr., the acting U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, who raised alarms in text messages to other diplomats about a holdup in military aid while President Trump was pressing Ukraine to investigate former vice president Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden.

Taylor is the latest official to be deposed behind closed doors as Democrats seek to build their case against Trump.

Rep. Karen Bass (D-Calif.), the chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus, responded to Trump’s comparison of the impeachment inquiry to lynching with a pair of pointed tweets.

“You are comparing a constitutional process to the PREVALENT and SYSTEMATIC brutal torture of people in THIS COUNTRY that looked like me?” she wrote.

“Every time your back is up against the wall, you throw out these racial bombs,” Bass said in a second tweet. “We’re not taking the bait. While we CONTINUE our business here in DC, why don’t you take a trip to the @MemPeaceJustice in Alabama and LEARN SOMETHING.”

Her tweet used the Twitter handle for the National Memorial for Peace and Justice, which, according to its website, is “dedicated to the legacy of enslaved black people, people terrorized by lynching, African Americans humiliated by racial segregation and Jim Crow, and people of color burdened with contemporary presumptions of guilt and police violence.”

www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry-live-updates
/2019/10/22/40959fb0-f454-11e9-ad8b-85e2aa00b5ce_story.html


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Tuesday, October 22, 2019 11:02 AM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by second:

Trump is suppose to be at work this morning, but instead he is panicking




Wonderful isn't it?

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Tuesday, October 22, 2019 11:40 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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TRUMP and his cronies??? Like ... Ivanka got a job with Energoatom (Kiev's nuclear power plant operator) for $50,000/ month and Trump got a $500,000 "speakers fee"? You mean ... something fact-free, like that?
Don't you mean Biden, his son, and a gaggle of DNC cronies and operatives have been extorting Ukraine for a long time?


You're just to stupid and dishonest to post anything with factual content comrade sig.- TUGR

Oh goody! You just reset the "defamation" clock!


Quote:

Originally posted by THUGR: Stuff completely unrelated to Ukraine or to anything
FIFY

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

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Tuesday, October 22, 2019 11:47 AM

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News legends make dire warning about Trump

Dan Rather and Sam Donaldson tell CNN's Don Lemon that they think that President Donald Trump is dangerous for the country because Trump is only interested in protecting himself.

www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/10/22/dan-rather-sam-donaldson-trump-
dangerous-for-country-ctn-sot-vpx.cnn


"Do you have any idea how low this President is prepared to sink in an effort to defend himself, his power, and his money? The answer is no one knows. . . . I'm not sure the President himself knows."

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, October 22, 2019 4:01 PM

THG


I see comrade sig is making up quotes again. Oh well, I'll just cut and paste it in her beloved gardens thread.

And comrade kiki, anymore crazy bug-eyed Clinton pictures show up in my threads, like you just did in another thread, they too go to the gardens thread.

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Tuesday, October 22, 2019 4:09 PM

THG


Diplomat provides House with 'disturbing' account on Ukraine

"I do not know how you would listen to today's testimony from Ambassador Taylor and come to any other (conclusion) except that the president abused his power and withheld foreign aid,"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/diplomat-provides-house-with-d
isturbing-account-on-ukraine/ar-AAJ9tA9?ocid=spartandhp


I hear his opening statement was a sizzler. And he brought proof.

tick tock

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Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:16 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
I see comrade sig is making up quotes again. Oh well, I'll just cut and paste it in her beloved gardens thread.

And comrade kiki, anymore crazy bug-eyed Clinton pictures show up in my threads, like you just did in another thread, they too go to the gardens thread.

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Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:19 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Diplomat provides House with 'disturbing' account on Ukraine

"Lawmakers did not discuss details of what they heard in the closed-door session"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/diplomat-provides-house-with-d
isturbing-account-on-ukraine/ar-AAJ9tA9?ocid=spartandhp

fify

But we can for sure! count on democrats to always be truthful and give us faithful commentary, because they've never told any Schiffty lies in the past. Right?

tic tac


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Wednesday, October 23, 2019 6:46 AM

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Wednesday, October 23, 2019 8:31 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
I see comrade sig is making up quotes again. Oh well, I'll just cut and paste it in her beloved gardens thread.

And comrade kiki, anymore crazy bug-eyed Clinton pictures show up in my threads, like you just did in another thread, they too go to the gardens thread.

T




I might ask Haken to put THUGR's posts into troll country.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

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Wednesday, October 23, 2019 8:40 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I might ask Haken to put THUGR's posts into troll country.

Senate Judiciary Committee Chair Lindsey Graham introduces resolution condemning Democrats' closed-door impeachment process. If Graham does get an open-door process, Trump's tax returns will be made public when Congress gets them, even before the forensic accountants begin their work of finding tax cheating. I, for one, would love to see Trump's 2017, 2018, 2019 tax returns while he is still in office. I got to Obama's while they were fresh. https://s3.amazonaws.com/pdfs.taxnotes.com/2019/B_Obama_2009.pdf



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Wednesday, October 23, 2019 9:37 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I might ask Haken to put THUGR's posts into troll country.

Senate Judiciary Committee Chair Lindsey Graham introduces resolution condemning Democrats' closed-door impeachment process. If Graham does get an open-door process, Trump's tax returns will be made public when Congress gets them, even before the forensic accountants begin their work of finding tax cheating. I, for one, would love to see Trump's 2017, 2018, 2019 tax returns while he is still in office. I got to Obama's while they were fresh. https://s3.amazonaws.com/pdfs.taxnotes.com/2019/B_Obama_2009.pdf

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



Once again, I fail to see how what you post has anything at all to do with what you quote before the post.

Imagine that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, October 23, 2019 10:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Once again, I fail to see how what you post has anything at all to do with what you quote before the post.

Imagine that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You're trolling me. Senator Graham is trolling. He knows perfectly well that a Committee can talk to anybody it pleases without having to have a vote of the whole House on impeachment to authorize the Committee to talk to people. The FOX commentator should have reminded Graham of that, but FOX is the TROLL Network. All these accusations of trolling going on at fireflyfans, and moving posts to troll country, are just more trolling. It is 24-7 trolling all over America. Even Trump trolls. What a surprise: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1186985677176655872 (I need to explain to 6ix that Whistle blowers are anonymous but Trump wants to know the name of the Whistle blower, probably to fire him/her, which would defeat the purpose of the Whistle blower law. Trump is trolling and it only takes him three words: "Where’s the Whistleblower?" Trump is the greatest troll in America.)

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Wednesday, October 23, 2019 10:49 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Once again, I fail to see how what you post has anything at all to do with what you quote before the post.

Imagine that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You're trolling me.



I also fail to see how commenting on your repeated attempts to show the world what a mental midget you are is trolling.

You do enough trolling for the both of us, buddy.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, October 23, 2019 8:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I also fail to see how commenting on your repeated attempts to show the world what a mental midget you are is trolling.

You do enough trolling for the both of us, buddy.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The Ultimate Troll Job by Trump (Trump has HUGE balls to even contemplate, let alone go ahead with, this troll job):

Trump Pressed Ukraine’s President to Act Out a Fake News Script, Live on CNN

October 23 2019, 3:05 p.m.

Before agreeing to release nearly $400 million in military assistance to Ukraine, President Donald Trump extorted a promise from his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky, to appear on American television and act out a script prepared for him by Trump’s aides, the top American diplomat in Ukraine, Bill Taylor, told the House impeachment inquiry on Tuesday.

The scene a desperate Zelensky finally agreed to perform would have been the very definition of fake news: a dramatic announcement by the Ukrainian president, during a CNN interview, that he was opening criminal investigations on Joe Biden’s family and other Democrats.

The plot, which would have duped American voters into believing that there was some substance to a debunked conspiracy theory about Biden’s work in Ukraine as vice president, came very close to working.

According to Taylor, a career foreign service official who has served four Republican and two Democratic presidents, until early September, Zelensky and his aides had resisted pressure from Trump to help him smear Biden. Zelensky was supposed to do this by investigating Burisma, a Ukrainian gas company the former vice president’s son Hunter was once paid to advise, as well as claims that Ukrainian officials had revealed evidence of financial crimes by Trump’s campaign manager Paul Manafort in 2016 to help elect Hillary Clinton.

But once the Ukrainians became aware that the much-needed security assistance Trump had personally held up might never be delivered, Zelensky, who was an actor and comedian before entering politics this year, agreed to play his part in a ruse intended to lend credibility to baseless conspiracy theories about Biden and other Democrats.

More at https://theintercept.com/2019/10/23/trump-bill-taylor-ukraine-presiden
t-cnn
/

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Wednesday, October 23, 2019 8:29 PM

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When will this Witch Hunt Fishing Expedition be over?

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Wednesday, October 23, 2019 9:05 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
When will this Witch Hunt Fishing Expedition be over?

When Trump stops doing stuff like this? It happened only last month:
Quote:

By the first week of September, the “favor” Trump had alluded to in vague terms in a July phone call with Zelensky had become a very specific demand: Ukraine’s president, a former actor, would be required to deliver lines on CNN prepared for him by two American diplomats acting on orders from Trump and his shadow secretary of state, Rudy Giuliani.

The White House script to be read by Zelensky would tell CNN: “Special attention should be paid to the problem of interference in the political processes of the United States, especially with the alleged involvement of some Ukrainian politicians. I want to declare that this is unacceptable. We intend to initiate and complete a transparent and unbiased investigation of all available facts and episodes including those involving Burisma and the 2016 U.S. elections.”

https://theintercept.com/2019/10/23/trump-bill-taylor-ukraine-presiden
t-cnn
/

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Wednesday, October 23, 2019 9:10 PM

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When will this Witch Hunt Fishing Expedition be over?



When it stops generating ad revenue from clicks.

Or when all of the Legacy Media outfits layoff all of their employees.

We get closer to both of those outcomes everyday.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, October 23, 2019 10:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
When will this Witch Hunt Fishing Expedition be over?



When it stops generating ad revenue from clicks.

Or when all of the Legacy Media outfits layoff all of their employees.

We get closer to both of those outcomes everyday.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Just admit you are hypnotized by Trump, 6ix. You are what Trump needs you to be, if he is going to prosper and get your vote:




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Wednesday, October 23, 2019 10:50 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Nah. I'm just revolted by your side.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, October 24, 2019 5:50 AM

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Haaaaaaaa, ha, ha, ha, ha.........funny shit THG!


sgg


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More testimony today about this from the diplomat who texted his concerns about Trump holding up aid for dirt on Biden.

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Thursday, October 24, 2019 6:15 AM

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William Barr must recuse himself from Ukraine probe, New York City Bar Association says

The New York City Bar Association is demanding that U.S. Attorney General William Barr recuse himself from the Department of Justice probe into the Trump-Ukraine phone call that is central to the impeachment inquiry against the president, citing potential conflicts of interest.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/william-barr-must-recuse-himse
lf-from-ukraine-probe-new-york-city-bar-association-says/ar-AAJgdM7?ocid=spartandhp


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Thursday, October 24, 2019 6:22 AM

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... stay crunchy...


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Nah. I'm just revolted by your side.



What's "your side?" People who hate lying a-hole grifter presidents?

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