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Sunday, November 17, 2019 9:19 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I listened to DAY1 and all the other so-called evidence is hearsay, and "I came to the understanding ..." opinion.

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Monday, November 18, 2019 1:23 PM

THG


House is investigating whether Trump lied to Mueller, its general counsel told a federal appeals court

The statement came during arguments over Congress’s request to have secret grand jury evidence from the Mueller report released urgently for its impeachment inquiry.

The request followed closely on the heels of Friday’s conviction of longtime Trump friend Roger Stone. Testimony and evidence at his trial appeared to cast doubt on written replies from Trump to Mueller about the president’s knowledge about attempts by his 2016 campaign to learn more about the release of hacked Democratic emails by the anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-is-investigating-whether
-trump-lied-to-mueller-its-general-counsel-told-a-federal-appeals-court/ar-BBWWl20?ocid=spartandhp


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Monday, November 18, 2019 1:25 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.





*****

Keeping track here ... so far the House has called George Kent, who has said rather briefly that he didn't see or hear anything directly

Bill Taylor, who took DAYS to say that he didn't see or hear anything directly either, and

Marine Yovanovich, who ALSO didn't see or hear anything but is butt-hurt that she got fired.

The whistleblower, Eric Ciamarella according to Rand Paul, who ALSO didn't see or hear anything directly will not appear.

Is that about it for the first week?


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Monday, November 18, 2019 3:24 PM

THG


Sorry comrade sig but if you were paying attention you'd know this week is set up to blow your all second hand, no first had witnesses out of the water. And sig, and, all their credentials are impeccable. Opps...
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The second week of public hearings in the impeachment inquiry begins Tuesday morning with Jennifer Williams, aide to Vice President Mike Pence, and Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman.


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Monday, November 18, 2019 3:28 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


lol

No point arguing about any of this.

I'm just going to sit back and let these knuckleheads compile a whole list of bullshit that doesn't mean anything when the hearings don't go the way they'd like.

It's going to be hilarious. Even better than Russiagate.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, November 19, 2019 11:06 AM

THG


Anybody watching the impeachment inquiry? I am, I'm watching the impeachment inquiry. They are very exciting.

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Tuesday, November 19, 2019 11:23 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Anybody watching the impeachment inquiry? I am, I'm watching the impeachment inquiry. They are very exciting.

tick tock

T


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On and off. Nunes has more flop sweat than Dan Quail. Not to mention he’s another lying a-hole. GOP needs an enema.

Vindman is solid. Best moment:
Vindman corrects Nunes after he called him "Mr. Vindman":

"Ranking member, it's Lt. Col. Vindman."

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Tuesday, November 19, 2019 12:01 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


No. No they are not exciting. lol



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, November 19, 2019 12:12 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Sorry comrade sig but if you were paying attention you'd know this week is set up to blow your all second hand, no first had witnesses out of the water. And sig, and, all their credentials are impeccable. Opps...
T


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The second week of public hearings in the impeachment inquiry begins Tuesday morning with Jennifer Williams, aide to Vice President Mike Pence, and Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman.



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Tuesday, November 19, 2019 12:20 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Keeping track here ... so far the House has called George Kent, who has said rather briefly that he didn't see or hear anything directly

Bill Taylor, who took DAYS to say that he didn't see or hear anything directly either, and

Marine Yovanovich, who ALSO didn't see or hear anything but is butt-hurt that she got fired.

The whistleblower, Eric Ciamarella according to Rand Paul, who ALSO didn't see or hear anything directly will not appear.

Is that about it for the first week?


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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Sorry comrade sig but if you were paying attention you'd know this week is set up to blow your all second hand, no first had witnesses out of the water. And sig, and, all their credentials are impeccable. Opps...



As to the question about it all being second hand (or third, or fourth ...), I guess THUGGER gave you a 'yes' answer.

And Signy, as far as I know, Yovanovich didn't get fired or even demoted, she merely got reassigned, out of a position she apparently felt very territorial about.

And THUGGER, what's with the OPPS? The correct spelling is OOPS.

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Tuesday, November 19, 2019 1:03 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Sorry comrade sig but if you were paying attention you'd know this week is set up to blow your all second hand, no first had witnesses out of the water...


So, you can FORGET the entire first week, and all the M$M blowhards who hyperventilated about one "bombshell" after another that turned out to be squibs?

I guess THAT must have been the "show" part of "show trial"! (Yanno, just like the good ol' USSR!)


Quote:

A show trial is a public trial in which the judicial authorities have already determined the guilt of the defendant. The actual trial has as its only goal the presentation of both the accusation and the verdict to the public so they will serve as both an impressive example and a warning to other would-be dissidents or transgressors. Show trials tend to be retributive rather than corrective and they are also conducted for propagandistic purposes.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Show_trial



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Tuesday, November 19, 2019 1:44 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, you can FORGET the entire first week, and all the M$M blowhards who hyperventilated about one "bombshell" after another that turned out to be squibs?



Certainly not as damning as Trump's own words:

TRUMP: "The other thing, there's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me."

Clear abuse of power/bribery/extortion and likely not the first time.

Hey, where have I recently heard someone else use a similar phrase in a completely phony attempt to make the next thing out of their mouth seem popular, or incontrovertible, "...a lot of people ..." "... there's a lot of talk about ...." something to do with Venus? Huh... seems a popular tactic... is it Schopentrumper?

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Tuesday, November 19, 2019 1:47 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Obviously he wasn't worried about those words getting out to the public because he put them out there for the public to read.

There's no there there buddy.


You never admitted you were wrong when Russiagate was a hoax. My prediction is that you won't this time either when impeachment goes nowhere.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:28 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Anybody watching the impeachment inquiry? I am, I'm watching the impeachment inquiry. They are very exciting.

tick tock

T


Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.



On and off. Nunes has more flop sweat than Dan Quail. Not to mention he’s another lying a-hole. GOP needs an enema.

Vindman is solid. Best moment:
Vindman corrects Nunes after he called him "Mr. Vindman":

"Ranking member, it's Lt. Col. Vindman."



Near the end he was asked a question that when he answered received an ovation. Chilling...Deep State 4 Republicans 0

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Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:30 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:


So, you can FORGET the entire first week, and all the M$M blowhards who hyperventilated about one "bombshell" after another that turned out to be squibs? - SIGNY

Certainly not as damning as Trump's own words:

TRUMP: "The other thing, there's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me."

Clear abuse of power

Huh, the President of the United States asking a foreign government to look into potential malfeasance of a US politician! "Abuse of power" or "constitutional duty"?

Quote:

bribery
What is the thing of value, and what is being offered in return? This was phrased as a favor.

Quote:

extortion
What is Trump "extorting" from Ukraine, and what is the threat that he is holding over them?

Quote:

and likely not for the first time
Even MORE made-up shit from CC!

Quote:

Hey, where have I recently heard someone else use a similar phrase in a completely phony attempt to make the next thing out of their mouth seem popular, or incontrovertible, "...a lot of people ..."
Liar. The phrase I used was
"people" not "a lot of people"... Go look it up yourself, ya maroon
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=62952&p=11

I can see why reality confuses you: You insist on reading/hearing things that were never written/said. You just make up shit as you go along.

Jeez, get a grip.

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Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:58 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Huh, the President of the United States asking a foreign government to look into potential malfeasance of a US politician! "Abuse of power" or "constitutional duty"?



More like extortion. You conveniently forgot to say it was conditional, "but I need you to do me a favor though..."

Your lies are so 1st grade. Try harder!

Quote:

bribery

SIGS: "What is the thing of value, and what is being offered in return? This was phrased as a favor."
- javelins, phony dirt on a political rival

Quote:

extortion

SIGS: "What is Trump "extorting" from Ukraine, and what is the threat that he is holding over them?"
- javelins, phony dirt on a political rival

Quote:

and likely not for the first time

SIGS: "Even MORE made-up shit from CC!"
- Liar. You just made up that I made up something.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Liar. The phrase I used was
"people" not "a lot of people"... Go look it up yourself, ya maroon



Liar or just plain stupid? I said, "a similar phrase." I know exactly what you said because it was so familiar and because you have become such an avid Trump follower. The people fo America? The people of the world? You hoped it would have the same effect as when Dump uses it - "a lot." Gods, you're such a Trump disciple you probably hear his voice in your head when you post! Creepy!

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Tuesday, November 19, 2019 3:07 PM

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We both know G that sig is still asking the same questions she has been asking all along. This despite that they've all been answered many times now. And, all in ways that show Trumps guilt.

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Tuesday, November 19, 2019 3:13 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Well... there is no guilt, so I can only assume you're talking about your Trump fanfic that you've been co-collaborating on.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:12 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Signy, I want to point out that MUSHY misquoted the phrase:
Quote:

"but I need you to do me a favor though..."
And also trolled based on his 'stupid':
Quote:

More like extortion. You conveniently forgot to say it was conditional, "but I need you to do me a favor though..."

Your lies are so 1st grade. Try harder!

So yes, he DOES see/ hear things that never were there. The quote is:
Quote:

I would like you to do us a favor though.
And that puts it as a request, not a demand. (Aside from which, every so called witness says that Zelensky didn't know about any money ties-ins to any investigations at the time of the call. How it could possibly be extortion or even a bribe is beyond me.)

Given that that quote is the basis for his post, MUSHY SHOULD have looked it up! And Mushy COULD have looked it up, but he's too smart for that ... what with his smart phone and all.

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Tuesday, November 19, 2019 6:10 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Americans who do not get all of their information about Ukraine from Fox News have been baffled by the Republican cross-examination of witnesses called to give public testimony in the House impeachment hearings.

There have been frequent, context-free references to something called “the black ledger” and invocations of the supposedly nefarious role of George Soros in supporting Ukrainian anti-corruption activists.

The resulting spectacle has confused viewers unfamiliar with a series of conspiratorial reports about Ukraine from the conservative columnist John Solomon, whose work has been promoted relentlessly on Fox, and caused many to simply tune the proceedings out. Virginia Tilley, a political scientist at Southern Illinois University, suggested on Twitter that making the impeachment hearings nearly incomprehensible might even be the Republican strategy.

This bizarre performance stretched into a second week on Tuesday, as Republicans sought to distract from the testimony of Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, a National Security Council expert on Ukraine, and Jennifer Williams, a Russia adviser for Vice President Mike Pence. In the hearings, the government officials called to testify so far have seemed at a loss when asked by Republicans to comment on claims of Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election presented as fact by the president’s defenders in Congress. But the witnesses don't watch Fox, so they were puzzled by the Republican conspiracy theory that it was only Ukraine, not in the least Russia, interfering.

More at https://theintercept.com/2019/11/19/republicans-use-impeachment-hearin
gs-smear-ukrainian-helped-expose-manafort
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, November 19, 2019 6:27 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


lol

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Tuesday, November 19, 2019 7:35 PM

THG



Democrats Seek McGahn Hearing in Next Phase (4:12 p.m.)

Citing an “urgent need” in connection with the House impeachment inquiry, Judiciary Committee Democrats asked a federal judge in Washington to rule quickly on their request to enforce a subpoena issued in April requiring testimony from former White House Counsel Don McGahn.

“Given that the House’s impeachment inquiry is proceeding rapidly, the committee has a finite window of time to effectively obtain and consider McGahn’s testimony,” committee lawyers told U.S. District Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson in a filing on Tuesday.

Jackson heard arguments Oct. 31 on whether lawmakers can compel McGahn to appear before them or whether Trump’s assertion of absolute immunity shields the attorney from being questioned.

McGahn’s testimony originally was sought for May 21 in connection with Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report on Russian interference with the 2016 presidential election and possible obstruction of that probe by Trump. The House sued in August to force him to testify.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/volker-now-recalls-sondland-st
atement-impeachment-update/ar-BBWZXqo?ocid=spartanntp


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Tuesday, November 19, 2019 7:47 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Signy, I want to point out that MUSHY misquoted the phrase:
Quote:

"but I need you to do me a favor though..."
And also trolled based on his 'stupid':
Quote:

More like extortion. You conveniently forgot to say it was conditional, "but I need you to do me a favor though..."

Your lies are so 1st grade. Try harder!

So yes, he DOES see/ hear things that never were there. The quote is:
Quote:

I would like you to do us a favor though.
And that puts it as a request, not a demand. (Aside from which, every so called witness says that Zelensky didn't know about any money ties-ins to any investigations at the time of the call. How it could possibly be extortion or even a bribe is beyond me.)

Given that that quote is the basis for his post, MUSHY SHOULD have looked it up! And Mushy COULD have looked it up, but he's too smart for that ... what with his smart phone and all.

Oh, I noticed the "misquote".

GSTRING "misquotes" Trump, he "misquotes" me, he "misquotes" you, and he "misquotes" SIX all the time.

He lies, and lies, and lies, and lies. He'd be a lot farther ahead, both with his own thinking and in discussion, if he'd stop lying so often.

Do you suppose, GSTRING, you could at least stop "misquoting" people and be more careful to refer to what was ACTUALLY SAID/POSTED? A least that little bit would save you from a lot of (ahem) "errors" and make your posts a lot more credible.

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Tuesday, November 19, 2019 8:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SICKPIGGY:
GSTRING "misquotes" Trump, he "misquotes" me, he "misquotes" you, and he "misquotes" SIX all the time.



Please show specific examples, even 1 - I'll wait.

TRUMP: "Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved."

lol

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Tuesday, November 19, 2019 8:40 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
We both know G that sig is still asking the same questions she has been asking all along. This despite that they've all been answered many times now. And, all in ways that show Trumps guilt.



I wish SIKIKISIX would just confess and tell us who they're working for - that would be much more interesting than this weak sh*t they repost over and over.

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Tuesday, November 19, 2019 9:01 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by MUSHY:
Please show specific examples, even 1 - I'll wait.



You really mean JUST ONE? You already have it dood. But because it's pretty obvious you don't (can't) read with comprehension, I'll post it again for your edification. And, well, because it makes you look like a stupid liar, and that's always great fun for me.

WHAT YOU "QUOTED" TRUMP AS SAYING:
Quote:

"but I need you to do me a favor though..."
WHAT TRUMP ACTUALLY SAID:
Quote:

I would like you to do us a favor though.


Flies shit.

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Tuesday, November 19, 2019 9:31 PM

SIGNYM

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7:46 P.M. — Morrison once again confirms he didn’t hear anything unlawful during the Trump-Zelensky call.

7:45 P.M. — Morrison confirms each time Sondland told him he had spoken with President Trump, he checked the call logs to see it occurred.

7:40 P.M. — Volker: “Ambassador Sondland is a big personality and sometimes he says things that might be a bit bigger than life.”

7:35 P.M. — Volker on Sondland: “He cared about Ukraine. He wanted to see U.S. support to Ukraine increased.”

7:30 P.M. — Morrison: “I did not understand [investigating the Biden family] as a policy objective.”

Volker and Morrison both say they have no evidence of quid pro quo, bribery or treason https://t.co/xHzl0V73EQ pic.twitter.com/7eCmuCRRF9
— CBS News (@CBSNews) November 20, 2019

***

6:35 p.m. Morrison on Vindman:

Top official Tim Morrison said Alexander Vindman's bosses had a lot of concerns about him:

-Judgement
-Potential leaker
-Did not keep his bosses in the loop on what he was doing
-Went around his bosses' backs
-Was mad he was cut out of working on Ukraine pic.twitter.com/Z9qgSVs9dt
— Ryan Saavedra (@RealSaavedra) November 19, 2019

5:35 p.m. Morrison testifies that he heard nothing wrong on the July 25 Trump-Zelensky call. Wanted access restricted to the transcript over leak concerns.



Flies shit

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Pity would be no more,
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You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

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Wednesday, November 20, 2019 6:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
We both know G that sig is still asking the same questions she has been asking all along. This despite that they've all been answered many times now. And, all in ways that show Trumps guilt.



I wish SIKIKISIX would just confess and tell us who they're working for - that would be much more interesting than this weak sh*t they repost over and over.



We know G. Skinheadsix is well, a skinhead. Sig and kiki are Russian polish decedents who as shown here, hate this country and are loyal to Putin.

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Wednesday, November 20, 2019 6:56 AM

THG


This is what it's all about...Deep State at it's best!
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Wednesday, November 20, 2019 9:18 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:

Originally posted by MUSHY:
Please show specific examples, even 1 - I'll wait.



You really mean JUST ONE? You already have it dood. But because it's pretty obvious you don't (can't) read with comprehension, I'll post it again for your edification. And, well, because it makes you look like a stupid liar, and that's always great fun for me.

WHAT YOU "QUOTED" TRUMP AS SAYING:
Quote:

"but I need you to do me a favor though..."
WHAT TRUMP ACTUALLY SAID:
Quote:

I would like you to do us a favor though.


Flies shit.



Poor Kiki. So desperate for a "win" she hangs on every little thing hoping to get lucky, hoping someone will misspell a word or drop a comma, like someone on their knees searching the floor of a phone booth looking for loose change. Paraphrasing, summarizing, using quotes to denote spoken word over copied text - totally acceptable. Just ask Hemingway. What's amusing is she makes these tiny claims totally forgetting that everything she posts is against the backdrop of her perpetuating the biggest lie in FFF.Net history.

And here she is again, propping up another big whopper of a lie. She chooses to "believe" a "favor" from the strongest country on the planet - the only one that can help Ukraine defend itself from an invading Russian army - is not "if you want to," (paraphrasing btw - see how that works with the quotes?). It's a demand, it's a fundamental condition of getting those javelins you need to defend your country. Even Repubs are no longer denying QPQ. They're just acting like it's okay.

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Wednesday, November 20, 2019 11:57 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Look how nasty they're getting.

Their impeachment dreams are falling apart before their eyes, just like I told them they would, and they're bringing the salt.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, November 20, 2019 12:29 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Their impeachment dreams are falling apart before their eyes, just like I told them they would, and they're bringing the salt.



lol

Name a single person here who thought Trump would be removed via Impeachment. No one. I've even said a number of times he would probably win in 2020. Not sure where you're getting your "facks" from.

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Wednesday, November 20, 2019 12:33 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


So we're in agreement that this is a gross waste of time and taxpayer dollars.

Good.




Be a dear and let Nancy Pelosi know. She didn't get the memo.

https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/111819-1

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, November 20, 2019 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by THG:
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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Originally posted by THG:
We both know G that sig is still asking the same questions she has been asking all along. This despite that they've all been answered many times now. And, all in ways that show Trumps guilt.



I wish SIKIKISIX would just confess and tell us who they're working for - that would be much more interesting than this weak sh*t they repost over and over.



We know G. Skinheadsix is well, a skinhead. Sig and kiki are Russian polish decedents who as shown here, hate this country and are loyal to Putin.

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Dude. Are we still going on about this?

You need to bring evidence to the table that suggests that I'm racist. You haven't yet.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:18 PM

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Please show specific examples, even 1 - I'll wait.- GTSRING

You really mean JUST ONE? You already have it dood. But because it's pretty obvious you don't (can't) read with comprehension, I'll post it again for your edification. And, well, because it makes you look like a stupid liar, and that's always great fun for me.

WHAT YOU "QUOTED" TRUMP AS SAYING:
Quote:

"but I need you to do me a favor though..."
WHAT TRUMP ACTUALLY SAID:
Quote:

I would like you to do us a favor though.


Poor Kiki. So desperate for a "win" she hangs on every little thing hoping to get lucky, hoping someone will misspell a word or drop a comma, like someone on their knees searching the floor of a phone booth looking for loose change. Paraphrasing, summarizing, using quotes to denote spoken word over copied text - totally acceptable. Just ask Hemingway. What's amusing is she makes these tiny claims totally forgetting that everything she posts is against the backdrop of her perpetuating the biggest lie in FFF.Net history. - GSTRING

Which "lie" is that? The lie that Saddam had WMD? The lie that Qaddafi was "massacring his own people"? The lie that "Russia invaded Ukraine"? The lie that "Trump colluded with Russia"? That KIKI is a "Russian troll"?

There've been a lot of lies perpetuated here, so help me out and pinpoint which SPECIFIC lie you're refering to.

Quote:

And here she is again, propping up another big whopper of a lie. She chooses to "believe" a "favor" from the strongest country on the planet - the only one that can help Ukraine defend itself from an invading Russian army - is not "if you want to," (paraphrasing btw - see how that works with the quotes?). It's a demand, it's a fundamental condition of getting those javelins you need to defend your country. Even Repubs are no longer denying QPQ.
Because they don't have to. Nobody has shown evidence that QPQ was in the works or that Zelenskiy was party to it. Zelenskiy himself denies it. What I'm hearing is that SOME people were very unhappy that Trump was deciding foreign policy because they felt like THEY should be in control.

Yanno what your post tells me GSTRING? That YOU'RE so desperate for a "win" that you're posting about commas and phone booths and loose change(!)

if you were aware of even the slightest firsthand testimony that supported your (skewed) belief, you'd be all over it like white on rice. But you're not. You;re posting just one desperate deflection after another.


The Democrats haven't been able to demonstrate to anyone that QPQ happened, or move the needle on public opinion with their "show trial". They just might destroy their party tho, if we're lucky.



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Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The Democrats haven't been able to demonstrate to anyone that QPQ happened, or move the needle on public opinion with their "show trial". They just might destroy their party tho, if we're lucky.

Gordon Sondland has decided that he doesn’t want to stand trial for perjury after all:

Gordon D. Sondland, the Republican megadonor turned ambassador to the European Union, told the House Intelligence Committee on Wednesday that he and other advisers to President Trump pressured Ukraine to investigate Democrats “because the president directed us to do so.”

“Secretary Perry, Ambassador Volker and I worked with Mr. Rudy Giuliani on Ukraine matters at the express direction of the president of the United States,” Mr. Sondland told the committee. “We did not want to work with Mr. Giuliani. Simply put, we were playing the hand we were dealt.” With no alternative, he said, “we followed the president’s orders.”

Mr. Sondland confirmed what has already been known, that there was a clear “quid pro quo” linking a coveted White House meeting for Ukraine’s president to the investigations Mr. Trump wanted. And he said he was concerned about “a potential quid pro quo” linking $391 million in security aid that Mr. Trump suspended to the investigations he desired.

I’m not sure how many people have to testify about this before it becomes a simple fact, but it’s obviously a simple fact. Donald Trump wanted a public announcement that Burisma and the Bidens were being investigated, and only then would he release Ukraine’s military aid and agree to a White House meeting with Ukraine’s president. He tried to leverage American foreign policy for personal gain, and that’s about as impeachable as it gets.

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/11/sondland-yeah-it-was-trump/

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Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:49 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.




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WASHINGTON — U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland made a significant change to his testimony to House impeachment investigators this week: He said he now remembers telling a top aide to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy that Ukraine would not receive U.S. military assistance until it committed to investigating the 2016 election and former Vice President Joe Biden.

... According to the new sworn declaration, Sondland told Congress that his memory was "refreshed" after reviewing the opening statements given to Congress by Bill Taylor, the acting ambassador to Ukraine, and Tim Morrison, a former adviser to Trump on Russian and European affairs.

As I recall, his explanation as to how this could have happened was I was in meetings but I didn't know what anyone was talking about, but since other people told me what they think was going on, I NOW understand what was happening

Yep, makes sense to me.

Well, let's see how this all sorts out.

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I’m not sure how many people have to testify ...
Well, I think we can junk most of the "testimony" because none of those people actually witnessed anything. It was all, literally, gossip, and they "testified" purely for the "show trial" aspect. So you can have a mountain of people all "testifying" and their "testimony" is worth spit. It seems to me that we need the testimony of the people at each end of the QPQ- the officials who transmitted it, and the officials who received it. Not gossip and heresay.

Also, according to Sondland, this was all about a "coveted meeting with Trump", NOT military aid. So ...??? Waiting to see what else is said, and if it makes any sense.


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Wednesday, November 20, 2019 2:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Well, let's see how this all sorts out.

We already know how this sorts out: Are you believing what Trump said the witnesses said? Or are you believing the witnesses? If you check Trump's twitter, Trump is claiming Sondland said the exact opposite of what Sondland said to Congress, while Sondland was under oath. https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1197221111706128384

What Trump is doing with Sondland's testimony is more sophisticated than usual. His usual is to simply call the witness a liar, a Never Trumper, a Democrat.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, November 20, 2019 2:17 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


He said he now remembers telling a top aide to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy that Ukraine would not receive U.S. military assistance until it committed to investigating the 2016 election and former Vice President Joe Biden.

According to the new sworn declaration, Sondland told Congress that his memory was "refreshed" after reviewing the opening statements given to Congress by Bill Taylor, the acting ambassador to Ukraine, and Tim Morrison, a former adviser to Trump on Russian and European affairs.

ondland said that by the beginning of September, he “presumed that the aid suspension had become linked to the proposed anti-corruption statement.

Sondland said he also now remembered a Sept. 1 conversation in Warsaw with Andriy Yermak, a top Zelenskiy adviser, in which he told Yermak that "the resumption of U.S. aid would likely not occur until Ukraine provided the public anti-corruption statement that we had been discussing for many weeks."

At points in his testimony, Sondland had problems recalling key events described by other witnesses.

Asked about a July 10 meeting with White House and Ukrainian officials where Sondland allegedly said he’d worked out a deal with acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney that Zelenskiy could have a meeting with the president if Ukraine opened “investigations,” Sondland said he couldn’t remember.
But maybe he can be induced to "remember" later?











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Wednesday, November 20, 2019 2:18 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

He said he now remembers telling a top aide to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy that Ukraine would not receive U.S. military assistance until it committed to investigating the 2016 election and former Vice President Joe Biden.

According to the new sworn declaration, Sondland told Congress that his memory was "refreshed" after reviewing the opening statements given to Congress by Bill Taylor, the acting ambassador to Ukraine, and Tim Morrison, a former adviser to Trump on Russian and European affairs.

ondland said that by the beginning of September, he “presumed that the aid suspension had become linked to the proposed anti-corruption statement.

Sondland said he also now remembered a Sept. 1 conversation in Warsaw with Andriy Yermak, a top Zelenskiy adviser, in which he told Yermak that "the resumption of U.S. aid would likely not occur until Ukraine provided the public anti-corruption statement that we had been discussing for many weeks."

At points in his testimony, Sondland had problems recalling key events described by other witnesses.

Asked about a July 10 meeting with White House and Ukrainian officials where Sondland allegedly said he’d worked out a deal with acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney that Zelenskiy could have a meeting with the president if Ukraine opened “investigations,” Sondland said he couldn’t remember.

But maybe he can be induced to "remember" later?

In any case, I find nothing wrong with politicians trading favors, and I find nothing wrong with Trump asking that investigation into American involvement in Burisma be revived, and Ukrainian involvement in our 2016 election be initiated. I think they SHOULD be looked into.


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Wednesday, November 20, 2019 2:26 PM

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Signym, you are even more sophisticated than Trump, who merely changed the words coming out of Sondland's mouth to the precise words Trump wanted Sondland to say. Instead, Signym, you are calling into question Sondland's memory of what happened. Kudos, Signym, for doing a better job than Trump at saving Trump.

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Wednesday, November 20, 2019 2:41 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


What everyone seems to forget is that Trump asked Zelensky to coordinate the investigation THROUGH BARR. He wasn't asking for a conviction, or for the Ukrainian legal system to independently sick itself on Burisma/ Biden - he wanted it coordinated THROUGH BARR. He was doing an intro, the same way he did the intro with Italy and Australia ... ** OBVIOUSLY ** as part of an official investigation with US involvement.


"Well, thank you very much and I appreciate that. I will tell Rudy and Attorney General Barr to call."

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Wednesday, November 20, 2019 2:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

In any case, I find nothing wrong with politicians trading favors, and I find nothing wrong with Trump asking that investigation into American involvement in Burisma be revived, and Ukrainian involvement in our 2016 election be initiated. I think they SHOULD be looked into.

America needs to hear — under oath — from Pompeo, Perry, Pence, and Bolton about all your concerns, Signym. Remember - under oath. It's okay if those four big shots refuse to answer some questions, but not okay if they refuse to testify at all.

Sondland’s bombshell testimony demands answers from top officials.

Wednesday morning’s testimony from Ambassador Gordon Sondland was full of bombshells, including sworn testimony that he had a conversation with Vice President Mike Pence in Poland about the linkage between the suspension of aid and Trump’s desire for investigations into Biden, the former vice president. “Everyone was in the loop,” according to Sondland — a point he insisted on at several points during his opening statement, asserting that all the top officials in the Trump administration understood what was happening.

Pence, via a spokesman, says this isn’t true. Will Pence repeat that under oath? https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1197191132310114304

Someone is mistaken — or lying — here. And given that scrupulous honesty is not exactly a hallmark of the Trump administration, it’s certainly possible that it could be either of them. The difference is that Sondland has testified, in person, before Congress, while Pence is putting out a statement through a spokesperson.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, November 20, 2019 3:39 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Originally posted by second:
“Everyone was in the loop,” according to Sondland

Except Zelensky. OOPS. Who forgot to tell him?

Flies shit.

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Wednesday, November 20, 2019 4:20 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
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Originally posted by second:
“Everyone was in the loop,” according to Sondland

Except Zelensky. OOPS. Who forgot to tell him?

Can the President of Ukraine be punished, even theoretically, if he lies to the House? You might as well ask Vladimir Putin to testify before the House about Election 2016. Unfortunately for Putin, he will have to be held inside the US until his statements to the House can be verified or else his testimony under oath would be meaningless because he could lie without consequences. If he won't agree to be held, his testimony is worthless.

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Wednesday, November 20, 2019 4:59 PM

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99.99% uv Republican sheepl will not woc the hearingz directly. Insted, they will save a bunch uv time and go to their favorit eko chamber outlet to get the edited version.

Several peeps I know in RL are Trump Chumps. I rote this email to them:

>>>
Are you wocing the impeachment hearingz?

No.

I no this bekuz you it wont tell you wut you want to hir.

Insted, you will go to get the reprossessed version found in the eko chamber.

In that version, you will see the best chunks uv the latest episodez uv Devin Nunes'z popular Trump iz the Good Gi seriez. In this seazon The Donald iz battling a massiv attak from the dispicable Democrat Party in wich they are trying to undo the 2016 election and rig the 2020 election. Hiz long time nemesis, Hillary Clinton, iz joined by a powerful new Darth Vaderish henchmen, Adam 'shifty' Schiff. Hold on to your hat az Devin expertly leadz you into an enthralling tale uv swashbuckling dare devil exploits and enthralling political intreeg!
<<<

I'v been wocing. Today I wuz haf expecting Sondland to either break out laffing during Nunes'z fable or wave hiz hand and say "Shut up! I'm going to save my own ass and tell everything."

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Wednesday, November 20, 2019 5:03 PM

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Republicans voters and politicians aren’t going to agree to remove Trump. Everything that’s happening here is political display for the benefit of the "Independent" voters. And to that end it would be extremely edifying to have extended public discussion of why the White House is stonewalling and why we can’t find out more about exactly who did what when.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, November 20, 2019 5:24 PM

1KIKI

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Originally posted by second:
“Everyone was in the loop,” according to Sondland

Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Except Zelensky. OOPS. Who forgot to tell him?

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Originally posted by second:
Can the President of Ukraine be punished, even theoretically, if he lies to the House?

Well, you certainly are willing to accept second- third- fourth- nth-hand testimony without any evidence ... so why would you gag at accepting the first-hand testimony of people who really know? AND WHY WOULD YOU GAG AT THE TRANSCRIPT OF THE CALL?

A billion flies eat shit.

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Wednesday, November 20, 2019 5:50 PM

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Poor Kiki. So desperate for a "win" she hangs on every little thing hoping to get lucky, hoping someone will misspell a word or drop a comma, like someone on their knees searching the floor of a phone booth looking for loose change. Paraphrasing, summarizing, using quotes to denote spoken word over copied text - totally acceptable. Just ask Hemingway. What's amusing is she makes these tiny claims totally forgetting that everything she posts is against the backdrop of her perpetuating the biggest lie in FFF.Net history.

And here she is again, propping up another big whopper of a lie. She chooses to "believe" a "favor" from the strongest country on the planet - the only one that can help Ukraine defend itself from an invading Russian army - is not "if you want to," (paraphrasing btw - see how that works with the quotes?). It's a demand, it's a fundamental condition of getting those javelins you need to defend your country. Even Repubs are no longer denying QPQ. They're just acting like it's okay.



Yep, dead on G, dead on.

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Wednesday, November 20, 2019 7:30 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Just to remind everyone what all this frou-frou is about - here's the link to the transcript of the call.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2
019.pdf


But I guess it's just a little thing.

A billion flies eat shit.

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