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Act of War Against Iran

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Trump, after the strike, told associates he was under pressure to deal with Gen. Soleimani from GOP senators he views as important supporters in his coming impeachment trial in the Senate. This would not mean Trump ordered the strike entirely, or even primarily, in order to placate Senate Republicans. But it does constitute an admission that domestic political considerations influenced his decision. That would, of course, constitute a grave dereliction of duty. Trump is so cynical he wouldn’t even recognize that making foreign policy decisions influenced by impeachment is the kind of thing he shouldn’t say out loud. Of course, using his foreign policy authority for domestic political gain is the offense Trump is being impeached for. It would be characteristically Trumpian to compound the offense as part of his efforts to avoid accountability for it.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/report-trump-cited-impeachment-
pressure-to-kill-soleimani.html


It’s possible Trump didn’t mean what he said, or that the associates who heard his comments misread them. But the straightforward read of this is that Trump has confessed to a grave and even impeachable abuse of his power as commander-in-chief.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, January 12, 2020 12:26 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63460
Carl Sagan's Baloney Detection Kit

Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the facts.

Encourage substantive debate on the evidence by knowledgeable proponents of all points of view.

Arguments from authority carry little weight (in science there are no "authorities").

Spin more than one hypothesis - don't simply run with the first idea that caught your fancy.

Try not to get overly attached to a hypothesis just because it's yours.

Quantify, wherever possible.

If there is a chain of argument every link in the chain must work.

Occam's razor - if there are two hypotheses that explain the data equally well choose the simpler.

Ask whether the hypothesis can, at least in principle, be falsified (shown to be false by some unambiguous test). In other words, it is testable? Can others duplicate the experiment and get the same result?

http://carlsagan.com/index_ideascontent.htm



Belief is for wimps and mental midgets!

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Sunday, January 12, 2020 1:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63460
Carl Sagan's Baloney Detection Kit

Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the facts.

Encourage substantive debate on the evidence by knowledgeable proponents of all points of view.

Arguments from authority carry little weight (in science there are no "authorities").

Spin more than one hypothesis - don't simply run with the first idea that caught your fancy.

Try not to get overly attached to a hypothesis just because it's yours.

Quantify, wherever possible.

If there is a chain of argument every link in the chain must work.

Occam's razor - if there are two hypotheses that explain the data equally well choose the simpler.

Ask whether the hypothesis can, at least in principle, be falsified (shown to be false by some unambiguous test). In other words, it is testable? Can others duplicate the experiment and get the same result?

http://carlsagan.com/index_ideascontent.htm

Belief is for wimps and mental midgets!

No prosecutor would get a murder conviction using Carl Sagan's rules. Here is a case that took 5 years to come to trial and the only witness was one of the victims surviving being shot in the head. Sagan's rules require 2 victims to survive being shot IN THE HEAD:
www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-who-killed-6-members-ex-wife-s-family
-gets-n1065366


In the words of the prosecutor, Trump's "issue is not his mental illness, his issue is his personality," describing him as a "manipulative, selfish, narcissistic, blame-shifting monster."

Occam's razor, as mentioned by Carl Sagan, for Trump is that he will always be NOT GUILTY in the eyes of a Trump voter. Once again, Sagan's rules make a conviction impossible.

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Sunday, January 12, 2020 2:53 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


How MANY baloney (bullshit) rules do your posts violate?
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63460
Carl Sagan's Baloney Detection Kit

Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the facts.

Encourage substantive debate on the evidence by knowledgeable proponents of all points of view.

Arguments from authority carry little weight (in science there are no "authorities").

Spin more than one hypothesis - don't simply run with the first idea that caught your fancy.

Try not to get overly attached to a hypothesis just because it's yours.

Quantify, wherever possible.

If there is a chain of argument every link in the chain must work.

Occam's razor - if there are two hypotheses that explain the data equally well choose the simpler.

Ask whether the hypothesis can, at least in principle, be falsified (shown to be false by some unambiguous test). In other words, it is testable? Can others duplicate the experiment and get the same result?

http://carlsagan.com/index_ideascontent.htm



Belief is for wimps and mental midgets!

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Sunday, January 12, 2020 4:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
How MANY baloney (bullshit) rules do your posts violate?
www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63460
Carl Sagan's Baloney Detection Kit

1kiki, that Carl Sagan checklist you keep quoting is for deciding larger questions, such as do you have an immortal soul living on after your death? It is not for triviality, like accusing your political enemies of not being “logical” in the sense that Mr Spock from Star Trek is always going on about.

1kiki, you need to check out Carl Sagan’s Chapter 12, The Fine Art Of Baloney Detection, from The Demon-Haunted World
www.amazon.com/Demon-Haunted-World-Science-Candle-Dark/dp/0345409469

Here is a page:

My parents died years ago. I was very close to them. I still miss them terribly. I know I always will. I long to believe that their essence, their personalities, what I loved so much about them, are— really and truly—still in existence somewhere. I wouldn’t ask very much, just five or ten minutes a year, say, to tell them about their grandchildren, to catch them up on the latest news, to remind them that I love them. There’s a part of me —no matter how childish it sounds—that wonders how they are. “Is everything all right?” I want to ask. The last words I found myself saying to my father, at the moment of his death, were “Take care.”

Sometimes I dream that I’m talking to my parents, and suddenly— still immersed in the dreamwork—I’m seized by the overpowering realization that they didn’t really die, that it's all been some kind of horrible mistake. Why, here they are, alive and well, my father making wry jokes, my mother earnestly advising me to wear a muffler because the weather is chilly. When I wake up I go through an abbreviated process of mourning all over again. Plainly, there’s something within me that’s ready to believe in life after death. And it’s not the least bit interested in whether there’s any sober evidence for it.

So I don’t guffaw at the woman who visits her husband’s grave and chats him up every now and then, maybe on the anniversary of his death. It’s not hard to understand. And if I have difficulties with the ontological status of who she’s talking to, that’s all right. That’s not what this is about. This is about humans being human. More than a third of American adults believe that on some level they’ve made contact with the dead. The number seems to have jumped by 15 percent between 1977 and 1988. A quarter of Americans believe in reincarnation.

But that doesn’t mean I’d be willing to accept the pretensions of a “medium,” who claims to channel the spirits of the dear departed, when I’m aware the practice is rife with fraud. I know how much I want to believe that my parents have just abandoned the husks of their . . .

1kiki, you obviously don’t understand the context for using Carl Sagan’s tools for thinking.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, January 12, 2020 4:54 PM

THG


I'm a big Sagan fan SECOND. I just don't get why comrade kiki posted then reposted what she posted regarding him here. Except to say she is a troll. She is desperate to deflect away from the topic. She is desperate not to look like the moron she is.

Looks like Iranian proxies fired more rockets at some American bases in Iraq again today.

T


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Sunday, January 12, 2020 4:59 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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They should probably stop doing that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, January 12, 2020 5:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
They should probably stop doing that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I agree that top Trump administration officials should stop declining to provide evidence that Soleimani would attack 4 US embassies.

Days after President Donald Trump claimed the US killed Iran's top military general because he was targeting four American embassies, two of the President's top national security officials are declining to provide evidence of the intelligence used to justify the US drone strike. In interviews that aired Sunday, Defense Secretary Mark Esper and national security adviser Robert O'Brien both did not cite specific intelligence information when pressed by their interviewers.
www.cnn.com/2020/01/12/politics/robert-obrien-mark-esper-soleimani-emb
assy-attack-cnntv/index.html


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Sunday, January 12, 2020 5:21 PM

THG


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You sound like you're really scared, buddy.

You should probably take a Xanax and take a nap.




Iraq's Parliament calls for expulsion of U.S. troops

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iraqs-parliament-calls-for-expuls
ion-of-us-troops/ar-BBYDryi?ocid=spartandhp


Scared no, but concerned for the Americans who are going to loose their lives over this; aren't you?

It's also becoming self-evident, Trump is assisting Putin gain traction in the Middle East by removing the United States from the area. Syria and now Iraq. What a fuck up.

T




U.S. Warns Iraq It Risks Losing Access to Key Bank Account If Troops Told to Leave

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-warns-iraq-it-risks-losing-acc
ess-to-key-bank-account-if-troops-told-to-leave/ar-BBYRkYd?ocid=spartanntp


Looks like Trump is resorting to blackmail.

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Sunday, January 12, 2020 5:35 PM

THG


Amash: Trump claim about US embassy threats 'seems to be totally made up'

Rep. Justin Amash (Mich.), an Independent who left the Republican Party last year, said Sunday that President Trump's claim that Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani was plotting attacks against four U.S. embassies "seems to be totally made up."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/amash-trump-claim-about-us-emb
assy-threats-seems-to-be-totally-made-up/ar-BBYSLLP?ocid=spartandhp


President Trump has made 15,413 false or misleading claims over 1,055 days

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/16/president-trump-has
-made-false-or-misleading-claims-over-days
/

Is anyone surprised?

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Sunday, January 12, 2020 5:50 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
They should probably stop doing that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I agree that top Trump administration officials should stop declining to provide evidence that Soleimani would attack 4 US embassies.

Days after President Donald Trump claimed the US killed Iran's top military general because he was targeting four American embassies, two of the President's top national security officials are declining to provide evidence of the intelligence used to justify the US drone strike. In interviews that aired Sunday, Defense Secretary Mark Esper and national security adviser Robert O'Brien both did not cite specific intelligence information when pressed by their interviewers.
www.cnn.com/2020/01/12/politics/robert-obrien-mark-esper-soleimani-emb
assy-attack-cnntv/index.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly




Don't give a shit.

The idiots that live in Iran that are poking the bear should probably stop poking the bear.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, January 13, 2020 7:58 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Don't give a shit.

The idiots that live in Iran that are poking the bear should probably stop poking the bear.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge'."
www.openculture.com/2016/10/isaac-asimov-laments-the-cult-of-ignorance
-in-the-united-states.html


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Monday, January 13, 2020 8:17 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Don't give a shit.

The idiots that live in Iran that are poking the bear should probably stop poking the bear.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge'."
www.openculture.com/2016/10/isaac-asimov-laments-the-cult-of-ignorance
-in-the-united-states.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



You can pretend that Issac wasn't talking about you if it makes you feel better about yourself.

Whatever.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, January 13, 2020 8:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Don't give a shit.

The idiots that live in Iran that are poking the bear should probably stop poking the bear.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge'."
www.openculture.com/2016/10/isaac-asimov-laments-the-cult-of-ignorance
-in-the-united-states.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



You can pretend that Issac wasn't talking about you if it makes you feel better about yourself.

Whatever.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

It never fails: somebody as ignorant as hell tells me they know better than me. When their way fails for them, but my way works for me, the ignoramus never, never in a million years, looks back and realizes they don't know as much as they think they know. They think their failure was "bad luck" and my success was "good luck" and "cheating". When their failures and my successes are repeated, again and again, the ignoramus can't believe I was not cheating or lucky and goes right back to explaining everything by luck and cheating. By the way, if Trump is reelected (he has a 50% chance and nothing can change the coin flip randomness of elections) that is good for me, bad for you, despite you wanting him to stay another term.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, January 13, 2020 9:33 AM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Don't give a shit.

The idiots that live in Iran that are poking the bear should probably stop poking the bear.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge'."
www.openculture.com/2016/10/isaac-asimov-laments-the-cult-of-ignorance
-in-the-united-states.html





Yep, dead on second. That describes Jack and would include most Trump supporters.

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Monday, January 13, 2020 11:14 AM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Don't give a shit.

The idiots that live in Iran that are poking the bear should probably stop poking the bear.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



T

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Monday, January 13, 2020 11:34 AM

THG


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U.S. Leaving Iraq Would Fulfill Soleimani’s Goal


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Monday, January 13, 2020 6:29 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I can't help but notice that your posts are 100% baloney.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63460

Carl Sagan's Baloney Detection Kit



Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the facts.

Encourage substantive debate on the evidence by knowledgeable proponents of all points of view.

Arguments from authority carry little weight (in science there are no "authorities").

Spin more than one hypothesis - don't simply run with the first idea that caught your fancy.

Try not to get overly attached to a hypothesis just because it's yours.

Quantify, wherever possible.

If there is a chain of argument every link in the chain must work.

Occam's razor - if there are two hypotheses that explain the data equally well choose the simpler.

Ask whether the hypothesis can, at least in principle, be falsified (shown to be false by some unambiguous test). In other words, it is testable? Can others duplicate the experiment and get the same result?

http://carlsagan.com/index_ideascontent.htm





Belief is for wimps and mental midgets!

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Monday, January 13, 2020 10:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I can't help but notice that your posts are 100% baloney.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63460

Carl Sagan's Baloney Detection Kit


1kiki, Sagan's Baloney Detection Kit would tell you this cannot happen since it hasn't already happened at least twice:

With a New Weapon in Donald Trump's Hands, The Iran Crisis Risks Going Nuclear

In exclusive reporting for Newsweek, four senior military officers say they doubt that the now six-month standoff with Iran could escalate to nuclear war.

They each note the deployment of the new Trident II missile warhead is explicitly intended to make the threat of such an attack by America more credible, and point it out as a little understood or noticed change that increases the very danger.

All four also add, very reluctantly, that there is a "Donald Trump" factor involved: that there is something about this president and the new weapons that makes contemplating crossing the nuclear threshold a unique danger.

More at www.newsweek.com/trump-iran-new-nuclear-weapon-increases-risk-crisis-n
uclear-1481752


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, January 13, 2020 11:02 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


You're an idiot.

Do you think Bolt-on, Pompeous, the war-hawks in the House and Senate, et al who are running the show would be more moderate under Hillary? Yanno, Hillary-the-pervert who managed to destroy 5 countries as mere Sec of State?



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Monday, January 13, 2020 11:51 PM

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You're an idiot.

Do you think Bolt-on, Pompeous, the war-hawks in the House and Senate, et al who are running the show would be more moderate under Hillary? Yanno, Hillary-the-pervert who managed to destroy 5 countries as mere Sec of State?

Belief is for wimps and mental midgets!

1kiki, I'm starting to believe you cannot think, little Russian troll:

When Donald Trump became president, one of his first acts was signing a memorandum on "Rebuilding" U.S. armed forces. That memorandum directed his new Secretary of Defense, retired Gen. James Mattis, to initiate a new Nuclear Posture Review and to ensure that the nuclear deterrent was "ready and appropriately tailored to deter 21st-century threats."

Inside the nuclear establishment, "appropriately tailored" meant a new small nuclear weapon, one deliverable by a ballistic missile rather than from a bomber. The latter, as was gamed in the Global Thunder exercise, would take 11 hours to fly from home base in Missouri to either Iran or North Korea. A missile, on the other hand, could take 30 minutes, and a forward-deployed submarine-launched missile could take just 10-15 minutes.

North Korea's string of long-range missile tests in the first year of the Trump administration accentuated this "hole" in U.S. nuclear capabilities, a senior Air Force officer involved in the nuclear deliberations says. In the most pressing scenario involving the imminent use of weapons of mass destruction, existing missiles were rejected as a credible deterrent threat because their warhead size was thought to be too large to be "usable."

More at www.newsweek.com/trump-iran-new-nuclear-weapon-increases-risk-crisis-n
uclear-1481752


1kiki, Sagan's Baloney Detection Kit says nuclear war is "baloney" because it has not happened at least twice, in front of experimental scientists meticulously recording the data for posterity. Trump would have to use two missiles, one on Iran, one on Korea, before "baloney" becomes scientific proof that Trump is nuts, as measured by Sagan's Baloney Detection Kit.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, January 14, 2020 5:28 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Don't give a shit.

The idiots that live in Iran that are poking the bear should probably stop poking the bear.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge'."
www.openculture.com/2016/10/isaac-asimov-laments-the-cult-of-ignorance
-in-the-united-states.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



You can pretend that Issac wasn't talking about you if it makes you feel better about yourself.

Whatever.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

It never fails: somebody as ignorant as hell tells me they know better than me. When their way fails for them, but my way works for me, the ignoramus never, never in a million years, looks back and realizes they don't know as much as they think they know. They think their failure was "bad luck" and my success was "good luck" and "cheating". When their failures and my successes are repeated, again and again, the ignoramus can't believe I was not cheating or lucky and goes right back to explaining everything by luck and cheating. By the way, if Trump is reelected (he has a 50% chance and nothing can change the coin flip randomness of elections) that is good for me, bad for you, despite you wanting him to stay another term.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



Dude. You claim that you're rich all the time, yet it is apparent how much you hate yourself and you hate your life.

Money isn't everything, and assuming you're not lying about it (which you clearly are), your little character you've made for yourself is living proof of that.

You are the envy of no one. Get a hobby.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, January 14, 2020 5:37 AM

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So I've been listening to various interpretations of how complicit Trump was on this murder of Soleimani. Scott Ritter (a former Marine intelligence officer and weapons inspector under Hans Blix, and who gave us the straight dope on how thorough the inspections were, and told us why there were NO WMD in Iraq) believes that this was at Trump's behest. According to him, the CIA had set up an Iran Mission Center, which means that Iran was raised to a level of National Security, giving the chief of that center dibs on satellite positioning, sigint etc. In looking this up, I found this

Quote:

In 2017, the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) created a special unit — the Iran Mission Center — to focus attention on the U.S. plans against Iran. The initiative for this unit came from CIA director John Brennan, who left his post as the Trump administration came into office. Brennan believed that the CIA needed to focus attention on what the United States sees as problem areas — North Korea and Iran, for instance. This predated the Trump administration.

Brennan’s successor — Mike Pompeo, who was CIA director for just over a year (until he was appointed U.S. Secretary of State) — continued this policy. The CIA’s Iran-related activity had been conducted in the Iran Operations Division (Persia House). This was a section with Iran specialists who built up knowledge about political and economic developments inside Iran and in the Iranian diaspora.
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It bothered the hawks in Washington — as one official told me — that Persia House was filled with Iran specialists who had no special focus on regime change in Iran. Some of them, due to their long concentration on Iran, had developed sensitivity to the country. Trump’s people wanted a much more focused and belligerent group that would provide the kind of intelligence that tickled the fancy of his National Security Adviser John Bolton.

To head the Iran Mission Center, the CIA appointed Michael D’Andrea. D’Andrea was central to the post-9/11 interrogation program, and he ran the CIA’s Counterterrorism Center. Assassinations and torture were central to his approach.

It was D’Andrea who expanded the CIA’s drone strike program, in particular the signature strike. The signature strike is a particularly controversial instrument. The CIA was given the allowance to kill anyone who fit a certain profile — a man of a certain age, for instance, with a phone that had been used to call someone on a list. The dark arts of the CIA are precisely those of D’Andrea.


https://www.salon.com/2019/06/25/have-you-heard-of-the-cias-iran-missi
on-center_partner
/

According to Scott Ritter, it is his BELIEF that Trump is running the Cheney playbook: pester the CIA for intel that would provide an excuse for what you're going to do anyway. But there are two things that counter that scenario

1) If Trump had authored the drone murder, would he have looked so stricken and ill-at-ease during his first press conference afterwards?

2) More importantly, would he have negotiated an off-ramp with the Iranians (thru the Swiss Embassy) requesting a "proprortionate" response and vowing no retaliation if they (the Iranians) limited their response?

Listening to the mechanics of that negotiation brings up a couple of questions that so far haven't been explicitly answered. What was the timing of the drone murder that killed Soleimani? Was it ordered when Trump as ambushed at Mar A Lago by a gaggle of neocons and deep staters? And when did the negotiations begin? When Trump returned to the WH?

Because SOMEone is Trump's friend. SOMEone provided Trump not only with a butt-puckering view of the consequences that had been potentially unleashed but also with a communications pathway and contacts to reversing the incident, as much as possible. That SOMEone ... or several someones ... aren't in the CIA, the State Department, the NSC, or the neocon Senate. They're not Pompeo, Esper, Haspel, Graham, Cotton or Rubio, but back in DC.

One more comment: supposedly Pompeo has said that he wanted to kill Soleimani before he retited from the WH. I guess Pompous gets to clear this from his bucket list before he makes a Senate run.

The overwhelming impression that I get is that Trump's foreign policy is STILL not under his control; that after getting fooled by the CIA about Skripal and "Assad gassed his own people" and having Bolt-on torpedo the talks with N Korea in Vietnam and having Pmpous get Soleimani murdered, Trump needs to do far, far more than cleaning up after the elephant parade. Not only does he need to get people fired he needs to replace themwith competent people who aren't intent on starting wars and regime changes.

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Tuesday, January 14, 2020 6:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So I've been listening to various interpretations of how complocot Trump was on this mirdere of Soleimani.

I've been reading ordinary Newsweek, and it says Trump wants the option to drop a nuke to shock and awe Iran. Trump now has that option and it makes the military worried that he may foolishly use it in a fit of pique to murder an Iranian big-shot:

In February 2018, the Trump administration concluded its own Nuclear Posture Review. The Review formally called for a new low-yield warhead to be deployed on Navy Trident II submarine-launched missiles. Though articulated as a counter to Russia, government and non-government officials today agree that the new W76-2 warhead was all along also intended to fill the niche of providing a usable and prompt weapon to counter imminent North Korean or Iranian attacks, either with WMD or long-range missiles.

In September, according to officials who spoke on background because no announcement has been made, the first W76-2 warheads were delivered to the Navy. That W76-2 is thought to have an explosive yield of between 5-6 kilotons (5-6 thousand tons) – about one-third the size of the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima. Kristensen estimates that some 50 of these small, "prompt" warheads will be deployed on Trident submarines, and that two of the 24 missiles aboard each of 12 submarines will be so armed.

If there was any conceivable American nuclear strike on Iran, sources agree, it would come from the new low-yield Trident submarine-based system.

On the philosophical question of using nuclear weapons, all six Air Force and STRATCOM sources I spoke to expressed concern that the very existence of nuclear options, with this president, complicated their otherwise clear conviction that there was no way nuclear weapons could be used against Iran.

But as the current nuclear war plans are written, the use of such a weapon could be justified, almost Hiroshima-like, as a shocking thunderclap to forestall a wider and theoretically more destructive all-out war.

"It is a capability that the United States did not have a year ago," the officer says, built precisely to be used, even to be used preemptively.

More at www.newsweek.com/trump-iran-new-nuclear-weapon-increases-risk-crisis-n
uclear-1481752


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Trump added to the controversy over his administration’s justification for the killing of an Iranian general, saying Monday that “it doesn’t really matter” whether it was in response to an imminent threat to the United States.

In a tweet, Trump criticized Democrats for trying to determine whether Iranian attacks the administration has said were planned by Maj. Gen. Qasem Soleimani against U.S. targets were imminent.

The Trump administration’s stated justification for ordering the U.S. drone strike that killed Soleimani in Baghdad on Jan. 3 was he planned imminent attacks on Americans and had to be stopped.

More at https://attentiontotheunseen.com/2020/01/13/trump-says-it-doesnt-reall
y-matter-if-iranian-general-posed-an-imminent-threat
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Tuesday, January 14, 2020 12:46 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

SIGNY:
So I've been listening to various interpretations of how complicit Trump was on this murder of Soleimani.

SECOND: I've been reading ordinary Newsweek, and it says Trump wants the option to drop a nuke to shock and awe Iran. Trump now has that option and it makes the military worried that he may foolishly use it in a fit of pique to murder an Iranian big-shot

Salon says one thing and Newsweek says another. Newsweek went long with the WMD in Iraq and Russiagate hoax and refuses to cover the story that OPCW top officials falsified its report on Douma chemical attack, which apparently never happened,

Quote:

A Newsweek Reporter Resigns, a Counter-Narrative Won’t Die

Is the media suppressing evidence that the 2018 chemical 'attack' in Syria didn't happen the way officials said it did?

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/a-newsweek-reporter-r
esigns-a-counter-narrative-wont-die
/

Why should I believe Newsweek?

I think my interpretation fits events and timeline a lot better.

BTW, sorry for the typos.



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Tuesday, January 14, 2020 2:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Why should I believe Newsweek?

I think my interpretation fits events and timeline a lot better.

BTW, sorry for the typos.

The interpretation that fits best is that Trump wanted nukes to assassinate Kim Jong-un (remember "Fire and Fury"? There are youtube videos of Trump saying he planned on killing Kim) and the Pentagon obliged Trump by modifying existing warheads to make the W76-2. Trump might use the W76-2 on Iran's Ayatollah to "preempt" a war with Iran. That won't be a "preemption". It will be a war that starts by assassinating the Iranian Supreme Leader, completely bypassing Congress because Trump is "worried" or "concerned" that Democrats will not vote for war, maybe the Democrats even warn the Ayatollah, which would mean Trump accuses the Democrats, all of them, of "treason" and helping the enemy.



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Tuesday, January 14, 2020 3:20 PM

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Influential Iraqi cleric Sadr calls for anti-U.S. demonstrations

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/influential-iraqi-cleric-sadr-cal
ls-for-anti-us-demonstrations/ar-BBYWUcE?ocid=spartandhp


Second, you know as well as anybody sig is a Russian troll. All she is doing here is trying to confuse.

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
I've been reading ordinary Newsweek, and it says Trump wants the option to drop a nuke to shock and awe Iran.



He wanted to use nukes on hurricanes, why not this?

Once again, Signoramus is only acting interested - more agitation smoke.

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
I've been reading ordinary Newsweek, and it says Trump wants the option to drop a nuke to shock and awe Iran.



He wanted to use nukes on hurricanes, why not this?

Once again, Signoramus is only acting interested - more agitation smoke.



Yes, agreed.

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Tuesday, January 14, 2020 4:43 PM

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Rockets target Taji military base north of Baghdad

BAGHDAD, Jan 14 (Reuters) - Iraqi camp Taji north of Baghdad was targeted by Katyusha rockets on Tuesday, with no casualties reported, an Iraqi military statement said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/rockets-target-taji-military-base
-north-of-baghdad-statement/ar-BBYWR8s?ocid=spartandhp


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Tuesday, January 14, 2020 4:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
I've been reading ordinary Newsweek, and it says Trump wants the option to drop a nuke to shock and awe Iran.



He wanted to use nukes on hurricanes, why not this?




Do you have a video that he said that? I've never seen a video where he says that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, January 14, 2020 5:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
I've been reading ordinary Newsweek, and it says Trump wants the option to drop a nuke to shock and awe Iran.



He wanted to use nukes on hurricanes, why not this?




Do you have a video that he said that? I've never seen a video where he says that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Trump has floated the idea of thwarting hurricanes (ayatollahs?) headed for the US by bombing them, including by dropping nuclear bombs on hurricanes (ayatollahs?) to disrupt their course, Axios reported, citing conversations with sources who heard Trump's comments and were briefed on a National Security Council memo that recorded the comments.



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Tuesday, January 14, 2020 5:50 PM

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[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
I've been reading ordinary Newsweek, and it says Trump wants the option to drop a nuke to shock and awe Iran.



He wanted to use nukes on hurricanes, why not this?




Do you have a video that he said that? I've never seen a video where he says that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Trump has floated the idea of thwarting hurricanes (ayatollahs?) headed for the US by bombing them, including by dropping nuclear bombs on hurricanes (ayatollahs?) to disrupt their course, Axios reported, citing conversations with sources who heard Trump's comments and were briefed on a National Security Council memo that recorded the comments.



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I know Axios reported on it. I'm asking you if you have video of Trump actually saying it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, January 14, 2020 6:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I know Axios reported on it. I'm asking you if you have video of Trump actually saying it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I don't have a video of Trump taking a dump, but I'm sure he has and will again. Same is true about him talking about nuking an ayatollah.

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Tuesday, January 14, 2020 6:44 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

I don't have a video of Trump taking a dump, but I'm sure he has and will again. Same is true about him talking about nuking an ayatollah.
You believed a lot of things without evidence. RUSSIA COLLUSION!! is one shining example.

So why should anybody believe your beliefs?


Belief is for wimps and mental midgets!

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I know Axios reported on it. I'm asking you if you have video of Trump actually saying it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I don't have a video of Trump taking a dump, but I'm sure he has and will again. Same is true about him talking about nuking an ayatollah.






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Tuesday, January 14, 2020 7:48 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


The W76-2 warhead did NOT happen because ... TRUMP! It appears there is a minimum 5 year R&D / testing / retooling, and scale-up delay built in. That would put the W76-2 back in the Obama presidency.

And indeed, the W76 was first conceptualized in 1973, and had been in production since 1979. While the W76 life-extension / revamp as the W76-1 was slated for 207.
Quote:

https://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Weapons/W76.html

The W76 Warhead

May 1973 Development engineering begun at LANL
June 1978 First production units completed

The first W76 warheads are approaching the end of their originally planned 30 year service life in 2008. This led to the initiation of the W76-1/Mk-4A life extension program in 2000 to refurbish the warheads for decades of further service. The first W76-1 is planned for delivery in September 2007 with completion in 2017.


2000 Planning begun for the W76-1/Mk-4A life extension modification.
9/2007 Delivery of first W76-1 planned.

What brings the timeline up to the Obama presidency where work continued apace.
Quote:

https://www.armscontrol.org/taxonomy/term/44/0?page=24
May 13, 2009
The first two of these LEPs, Life Extension Programs, were done for the ICBM warhead, the W87 and for the Trident warhead, the W76. There are more coming.

Quote:


https://nukewatch.org/pressreleases/Obama-6-19-13.pdf
Obama pledged to reduce nuclear arsenal, then came this weapon

The U.S. is currently conducting a Life Extension Program for the sub-­-launched W76 warhead. This is extending its service life by three decades or more, and giving it a new fuze that is likely capable of more precise heights of burst. As far back as 1997 the head of the Navy’s Strategic Systems pointed out that the combination of increased accuracy and a changed fuze could transform the 100 kiloton W76 from a weapon of deterrence targeting soft targets such as cities into a hard target killer of missile silos and command centers.

https://www.airuniversity.af.edu/Portals/10/CSDS/Books/strategicchalle
nge2.pdf

August 2014
... the President can use a low-yield nuclear weapon instead of being constrained by the large yields of ICBMs or SLBMs.






And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?

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Tuesday, January 14, 2020 7:50 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


The W76-2 warhead did NOT happen because ... TRUMP! It appears there is a minimum 5 year R&D / testing / retooling, and scale-up delay built in. That would put the W76-2 back in the Obama presidency.

And indeed, the W76 was first conceptualized in 1973, and had been in production since 1979. While the W76 life-extension / revamp as the W76-1 was slated for 2007.
Quote:

https://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Weapons/W76.html

The W76 Warhead

May 1973 Development engineering begun at LANL
June 1978 First production units completed

The first W76 warheads are approaching the end of their originally planned 30 year service life in 2008. This led to the initiation of the W76-1/Mk-4A life extension program in 2000 to refurbish the warheads for decades of further service. The first W76-1 is planned for delivery in September 2007 with completion in 2017.


2000 Planning begun for the W76-1/Mk-4A life extension modification.
9/2007 Delivery of first W76-1 planned.

So the W76 had a history and ongoing investment that goes back 50 years.

The quote brings the timeline up to the Obama presidency where work continued apace.
Quote:

https://www.armscontrol.org/taxonomy/term/44/0?page=24
May 13, 2009
The first two of these LEPs, Life Extension Programs, were done for the ICBM warhead, the W87 and for the Trident warhead, the W76. There are more coming.

Quote:


https://nukewatch.org/pressreleases/Obama-6-19-13.pdf
Obama pledged to reduce nuclear arsenal, then came this weapon

The U.S. is currently conducting a Life Extension Program for the sub-­-launched W76 warhead. This is extending its service life by three decades or more, and giving it a new fuze that is likely capable of more precise heights of burst. As far back as 1997 the head of the Navy’s Strategic Systems pointed out that the combination of increased accuracy and a changed fuze could transform the 100 kiloton W76 from a weapon of deterrence targeting soft targets such as cities into a hard target killer of missile silos and command centers.

https://www.airuniversity.af.edu/Portals/10/CSDS/Books/strategicchalle
nge2.pdf

August 2014
... the President can use a low-yield nuclear weapon instead of being constrained by the large yields of ICBMs or SLBMs.






And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?

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Tuesday, January 14, 2020 7:51 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


The W76-2 warhead did NOT happen because ... TRUMP! It appears there is a minimum 5 year R&D / testing / retooling, and scale-up delay built in. That would put the W76-2 back in the Obama presidency.

And indeed, the W76 was first conceptualized in 1973, and had been in production since 1979. While the W76 life-extension / revamp as the W76-1 was slated for 2007.
Quote:

https://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Weapons/W76.html

The W76 Warhead

May 1973 Development engineering begun at LANL
June 1978 First production units completed

The first W76 warheads are approaching the end of their originally planned 30 year service life in 2008. This led to the initiation of the W76-1/Mk-4A life extension program in 2000 to refurbish the warheads for decades of further service. The first W76-1 is planned for delivery in September 2007 with completion in 2017.


2000 Planning begun for the W76-1/Mk-4A life extension modification.
9/2007 Delivery of first W76-1 planned.

So the W76 had a history and ongoing investment that goes back 50 years.

The quote below brings the timeline up to the Obama presidency where work continued apace.
Quote:

https://www.armscontrol.org/taxonomy/term/44/0?page=24
May 13, 2009
The first two of these LEPs, Life Extension Programs, were done for the ICBM warhead, the W87 and for the Trident warhead, the W76. There are more coming.

Quote:


https://nukewatch.org/pressreleases/Obama-6-19-13.pdf
Obama pledged to reduce nuclear arsenal, then came this weapon

The U.S. is currently conducting a Life Extension Program for the sub-­-launched W76 warhead. This is extending its service life by three decades or more, and giving it a new fuze that is likely capable of more precise heights of burst. As far back as 1997 the head of the Navy’s Strategic Systems pointed out that the combination of increased accuracy and a changed fuze could transform the 100 kiloton W76 from a weapon of deterrence targeting soft targets such as cities into a hard target killer of missile silos and command centers.

Quote:

https://www.airuniversity.af.edu/Portals/10/CSDS/Books/strategicchalle
nge2.pdf

August 2014
... the President can use a low-yield nuclear weapon instead of being constrained by the large yields of ICBMs or SLBMs.

One could try and blame it all on Trump, but given the 50 year history, it would look stupid.





And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?

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Wednesday, January 15, 2020 2:01 AM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


SECOND, THUGR ET AL ... please let go of your fixation with Trump. It has shredded what little judgment you have.

The M$M is 90% crap. don't pay attention to it. What Trump says and tweets is 90$ crap. Don't pay attention to that either: While under cover of a fusilade of wild tweets Trump was desperately trying to reel the situation in, keep it from spinning out of control.

Watch what happens, don't pay attention to what people "say". It's all narrative, and you're fools for getting sucked in, either way.

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I love how sig and Jack keep suggesting MSN is all bullshit. MSN is a web site morons. A Microsoft network. It collects stories from news outlets globally and puts them together on a web page. This allows you to find current updated news. And no sig, they don't edit the stories in any way like zerohedge does.

Get with it morons. Just because a story quoted here shows an MSN address the actual stories are from other sources.

Here is an example: The link below says MSN but the story was written by the Washington Post. The fact that you don't know that shows you're, as always, ignorant about the topic you're posting about.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/winners-and-losers-from-
the-iowa-democratic-debate/ar-BBYY2Or?ocid=spartandhp





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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, THUGR ET AL ... please let go of your fixation with Trump. It has shredded what little judgment you have.

The M$M is 90% crap. don't pay attention to it. What Trump says and tweets is 90$ crap. Don't pay attention to that either: While under cover of a fusilade of wild tweets Trump was desperately trying to reel the situation in, keep it from spinning out of control.

Watch what happens, don't pay attention to what people "say". It's all narrative, and you're fools for getting sucked in, either way.



Yup. I've probably read less than 20 tweets he's made since he was President, and that's only because legacy media news outlets flip their shit over them and that becomes the funny news story of the day. These guys have probably read thousands of them.

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
I love how sig and Jack keep suggesting MSN is all bullshit. MSN is web page. A web site morons. It collects stories from news outlets globally and puts them together on a web page. This allows you to find current updated news. And no sig, they don't edit the stories in any way like zerohedge does.

Get with it morons. Just because a story quoted here shows an MSN address the actual stories are from other sources.

Here is an example: The link below says MSN but the story was written by the Washington Post. The fact that you don't know that shows you're, as always, ignorant about the topic you're posting about.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/winners-and-losers-from-
the-iowa-democratic-debate/ar-BBYY2Or?ocid=spartandhp





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MSM, stupid.

M is different from N here, just like "it" is different from "in".

I can't believe I actually have to explain this to another human being. I really think you're evidence that neanderthals actually did survive.




And I haven't called it MSM for almost a year now. That would suggest it's mainstream, which it clearly isn't anymore. It's the Legacy Media.

Since it can be assumed without error that you don't know what legacy means, I suggest Googling it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, January 16, 2020 2:24 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Well, aside from your egregious mistake of thinking that I was referring to "a" website, let's move on to your bigger mistake (yep, there is one)
Quote:

A Microsoft network. It collects stories from news outlets globally and puts them together on a web page. This allows you to find current updated news. And no sig, they don't edit the stories in any way like zerohedge does.


Here are a few very recent headlines that I'm fair certain didn't appear in your "objective" websites ...

Transit buses converted into electric ones to reduce carbon emissions in Shandong
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-01/16/c_138708592.htm


Iraq, China launch 'oil for reconstruction' agreement
https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/10/iraq-china-india-oi
l-construction.html


Russian government resigns
https://tass.com/politics/1109047

ISIS Cells Inflict Heavy Losses On Syrian Army In New Deir Ezzor Ambush (Photos)
https://southfront.org/isis-cells-inflict-heavy-losses-on-syrian-army-
in-new-deir-ezzor-ambush-photos
/


The Hugely Important OPCW Scandal Keeps Unfolding. Here’s Why No One’s Talking About It
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/11/18/the-hugely-important
-opcw-scandal-keeps-unfolding-heres-why-no-ones-talking-about-it


Yanno THUGR, stuff is happening all over the world. Some of it is world-changing, and yet you won't see hide nor hair in our "objective" media. The media selects what it wants to present. It's called "bias by selection and omission" and you can create any narrative you want by careful selection. (AND, OF COURSE, OUTRIGHT LIES, WHICH THE MEDIA HAS ALSO ENGAGED IN)





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Thursday, January 16, 2020 6:44 AM

THG


You're funny sig. You recently said living in Russia affords all the same freedoms and benefits of living in America, a democracy.

Sorry, but it's you that doesn't know what's going on in the world comrade. If you don't see the chasm of separation that exists between living under a dictator and living in a democracy, you surly are a Russian troll too afraid to stand up and change your circumstances. And you surly shouldn't be telling others how to think or live.

Turn to your right, then your left and tell kiki and Jack the jig is up.


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Thursday, January 16, 2020 7:31 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
You're funny sig. You recently said living in Russia affords all the same freedoms and benefits of living in America, a democracy.

Sorry, but it's you that doesn't know what's going on in the world comrade. If you don't see the chasm of separation that exists between living under a dictator and living in a democracy, you surly are a Russian troll too afraid to stand up and change your circumstances. And you surly shouldn't be telling others how to think or live.

Turn to your right, then your left and tell kiki and Jack the jig is up.


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But... But... I thought you said Trump was a dictator?


lol

5 more years of Trump buddy. Better saddle up.






What's up man? You didn't want to double down on your MSN stupidity?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, January 16, 2020 12:20 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:You're funny sig. You recently said living in Russia affords all the same freedoms and benefits of living in America, a democracy.
1) Bullshit. Never posted such a thing. Is this going to be like the conversation that that TWITCHY claims happened, that she can't find and nobody else can remember? LINKS, OR IT HASN'T HAPPENED.

2) It might surprise you to know that Russia IS a democracy. They have multiparty elections with secret votes and (as far as I can tell) paper ballots; they have a Parliament and everything. In fact, the leading party is NOT the Communist Party, it is Russia United, and they have six parties in Parliament (a better choice than ours, where we have only three parties represented).

The days when all you could vote for was Communist Party members ended thirty years ago, dood. Try to keep up with the times! There are a lot of criticisms one could aim at Russia, but when you reach for the trope that Russia isn't a democracy you just look stoopid.

Quote:

Sorry, but it's you that doesn't know what's going on in the world comrade. If you don't see the chasm of separation that exists between living under a dictator and living in a democracy, you surly are a Russian troll too afraid to stand up and change your circumstances. And you surly shouldn't be telling others how to think or live.
And then you double down on stoopid.

Here's the thing: You celebrate unelected unaccountable deep-staters who're busy running a foreign policy that nobody voted for and who're trying to depose a duly elected President. If this happened in Russia you would be screaming DIKTATORSHIP! but here you think it's a great idea?

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Thursday, January 16, 2020 1:19 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


so, an analysis of Putin's proposed changes to the Russian government:

Putin will step down from Presidential office, permanently, and reduce the role of President (his role, and future Presidents)

He will enhance the role of the Russian parliament (Duma) and a state council

Hardly the work of a "dictator".

*****

But this is like any post about the Democratic candidates ... it gets derailed very quickly into a screed about Trump.
YOU tend to derail any foreign policy discussion into YOUR fixation, which is RUSSIA!!!


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Friday, January 17, 2020 6:29 AM

THG


US troops were injured in Iran missile attack despite Pentagon initially saying there were no casualties

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-troops-were-injured-in-iran-mi
ssile-attack-despite-pentagon-initially-saying-there-were-no-casualties/ar-BBZ2uMU?ocid=spartandhp


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