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Monday, April 5, 2021 5:40 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
It went all the way back to the government using Pinkerton to bust up unions for business, yellow journalism to whip up war frenzy, etc.

6ix, if you've already answered my ?? about how measles vaccine is different from Covid-19 vaccine, I must have missed it. The rationale for vaccination is the same in both cases. So, what's the diff?




Looks like you can go back and fucking look for it then.

You might be able to discover what is really motivating 6ix by not asking 6ix. Instead, find out what is motivating other people who feel the same as 6ix about the Covid-19 vaccines. Then you might better know 6ix:

Far-right groups pushing vaccine as 'mark of the beast'

CNN's Pamela Brown and Devin Burghart, the head of the Institute for Research and Education on Human Rights, discuss a New York Times article about far-right extremist groups pivoting their focus to the anti-vaccine movement.

Video at https://www.cnn.com/videos/media/2021/04/05/far-right-extremist-groups
-shift-vaccine-misinformation-burghart-intv-nr-vpx.cnn


The NYTimes article is at https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/26/us/far-right-extremism-anti-vaccine
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or at https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation-politics/far-right-ex
tremists-move-from-stop-the-steal-to-stop-the-vaccine
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These groups tend to portray vaccines as a symbol of excessive government control. “If less people get vaccinated then the system will have to use more aggressive force on the rest of us to make us get the shot,” read a recent post on the Telegram social media platform, in a channel linked to members of the Proud Boys charged in storming the Capitol.
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Apocalyptic warnings about the vaccine feed into the far-right narrative that the government cannot be trusted, the sentiment also at the root of the Jan. 6 Capitol riot. The more vaccine opponents succeed in preventing or at least delaying herd immunity, experts noted, the longer it will take for life to return to normal and that will further undermine faith in the government and its institutions.

On Jan. 6, while rioters advanced on the U.S. Capitol, numerous leading figures in the anti-vaccination movement were onstage nearby, holding their own rally to attack both the election results and COVID-19 vaccinations.

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GOP mistrust runs deep. Maligning the coronavirus vaccines is obviously not limited to extremist groups tied to the Capitol riot. There is deep partisanship over the vaccines generally. One-third of Republicans surveyed in a CBS News poll said that they would avoid getting vaccinated and another 20% of Republicans said they were unsure. Other polls found similar trends.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, April 5, 2021 10:10 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by second:
You might be able to discover what is really motivating 6ix by not asking 6ix. Instead, find out what is motivating other people who feel the same as 6ix about the Covid-19 vaccines. Then you might better know 6ix:



Wrong.

Imagine the hypocrisy of a government who will allow businesses to card people to get a job or buy groceries, but won't card people to vote in elections and gives millions of non-citizens free money from taxpayers.

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Monday, April 5, 2021 1:04 PM

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Originally posted by second:
You might be able to discover what is really motivating 6ix by not asking 6ix. Instead, find out what is motivating other people who feel the same as 6ix about the Covid-19 vaccines. Then you might better know 6ix:



Wrong.

I found out what is going on in the minds of anti-vaxxers:



The authors conclude that education has a huge impact on COVID-19 mortality rates, as the chart above makes clear. Roughly speaking, high school grads die at a rate 3x higher than college grads, and this is true for every racial group.

This is purely an observational study. It presents the data but doesn't attempt to ascertain why low education levels are so deadly.
https://jabberwocking.com/new-study-suggests-education-is-key-to-covid
-19-mortality
/

(I will tell you the uncomplicated truth: Ignoramuses die sooner than educated people. Having a college degree is not the same as being educated, but it tends to be. Likewise, having no education is not the same as being an ignoramus, but it tends to be.)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, April 5, 2021 8:57 PM

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Originally posted by second:
I found out what is going on in the minds of anti-vaxxers:



I'm "sure" you did buddy. So sure, I didn't read the rest of your post.



P.S. I'm not an anti-vaxxer.



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Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:41 PM

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1KIKI:
Jack, the government using corporations to skirt the Constitution IS NOT NEW.

It's been going on at least since the US PATRIOT ACT v1, the US wiretap at the San Fran AT&T telephone offices, and the US government 'data center' at Utah, all of which got a lot of discussion and reference.

You're just late to the party. I suspect that's because you were SO buried in your state of denial (to deal with your paranoia-triggered anxiety), you decided it didn't matter back then, and you intentionally wrote it off.

**NOW** - when it's about something that's actually penetrated your denial - you've finally come around.

SIX: I don't ever want to hear a fucking word out of either of you about freedom of speech again.

ETA: I have no fucking idea what "denial" you're talking about either. Aside from maybe FREM, I was the loudest voice against the Patriot Act on this whole goddamned site and knew more about it back in the mid 2000's than you could ever pretend to know.


Yanno, that's funny, because I WAS posting about all of this back then, and I recall a lot of people from about that time - KWICKO, GEEZER, FINN, NIKI, FREM, BYTEMITE, AURAPTOR, HERO, SOUPCATCHER, ANTHONY, SARGEX etc... and I don't ever recall running across your name. Not even once. If you were posting then, it must not have made much of an impression either way. Were you posting under a different name? Or in a different forum?

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Tuesday, April 6, 2021 5:50 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



This is an interesting graphic that summarizes, in a very easy-to-understand way, what's going on with each state, region and the country PER CAPITA; which imo is the most salient metric. Raw numbers don't really tell the story.

OTOH 'cases' is not the best metric since 'cases' depends on testing. COVID-19 hospital admissions and deaths I feel are far more reliable numbers.

Also, it would be interesting to overlay graphs with different per capita metrics on the same timescale - per capita vaccinations for example (Texas by all accounts did a fantastic job getting a huge number of people vaccinated very early), and different scales (per capita per county, which would be helpful in roughly differentiating urban areas from suburban from rural).




And WHAT is going on with Michigan?


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Tuesday, April 6, 2021 8:41 PM

SIGNYM

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What is going on with Michigan?

Detroit?

Hard to believe but the same state, as seen onDr Pol (struggling family farms, boutique alpaca and reindeer herds, well-tended Amish farms) is the same state that houses hell city.

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Tuesday, April 6, 2021 10:25 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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1KIKI:
Jack, the government using corporations to skirt the Constitution IS NOT NEW.

It's been going on at least since the US PATRIOT ACT v1, the US wiretap at the San Fran AT&T telephone offices, and the US government 'data center' at Utah, all of which got a lot of discussion and reference.

You're just late to the party. I suspect that's because you were SO buried in your state of denial (to deal with your paranoia-triggered anxiety), you decided it didn't matter back then, and you intentionally wrote it off.

**NOW** - when it's about something that's actually penetrated your denial - you've finally come around.

SIX: I don't ever want to hear a fucking word out of either of you about freedom of speech again.

ETA: I have no fucking idea what "denial" you're talking about either. Aside from maybe FREM, I was the loudest voice against the Patriot Act on this whole goddamned site and knew more about it back in the mid 2000's than you could ever pretend to know.


Yanno, that's funny, because I WAS posting about all of this back then, and I recall a lot of people from about that time - KWICKO, GEEZER, FINN, NIKI, FREM, BYTEMITE, AURAPTOR, HERO, SOUPCATCHER, ANTHONY, SARGEX etc... and I don't ever recall running across your name. Not even once. If you were posting then, it must not have made much of an impression either way. Were you posting under a different name? Or in a different forum?

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I was not posting under a different name, although I posted in quite a few forums.

I believe I didn't hit this site until around late 2005 or 2006, and these posts would have been around until Obama was elected. I tuned out of politics for quite a few years while he was president.

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Tuesday, April 6, 2021 10:27 PM

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Looks like they're going to start gearing up everybody for the eternal War on Covid, not to dissimilar to the neverending War on Terror.

Those "free" shots are only going to last you 6 months.

How many billions has Big Pharma made already on this scam?

How many Trillions will they make if you're going to have to get a shot every 6 months for the rest of your life if you want to do things like buy food or leave your house?

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Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:38 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



One of the items I've been tracking is the development of a universal flu vaccine.

Along with an Ebola vaccine, it looks like it's one of those research projects that's operating in bits and pieces on a shoestring, and funded exclusively by government rather than having private companies working on it, and mostly done in England (at Oxford, specifically, over the last dozen years or so). Because ... why research something you can't profitably sell over and over again every year, or that really only affects third world-countries who're too poor to afford your product? The only real value to universal vaccines or to Ebola vaccines is if your government provides healthcare, in which case those vaccines will save the government a LOT of money. ... Which is why public healthcare countries are the ones looking into these things.


Anyway ... some progress with the universal flu has been made over the last 5 years or so.

First of all I'm going to outline the science behind the discovery and development of the universal flu vaccine, because it's interesting to me, and because the process for the universal flu vaccine is similar in outline to the process that led to the Ebola vaccine.

Basically, they test lots and lots and lots and lots of blood samples for a neutralizing antibody. They then find the lymphocytes that make that antibody and clone them, then coax them into activity so they can get lots of that monoclonal antibody to work with. To identify what exactly the antibody is working against, they break down the virus (either Ebola or influenza) into bits and pieces, and see what the antibody is sticking to. The final step in terms of a vaccine is to try and make that viral piece artificially, to use to vaccinate people. ... In order for them to make their own targeted neutralizing antibody to the virus. (While all this is simple in concept, it's exceedingly picky, tedious, and technical in practice.)

What's known about the influenza virus is that it mutates ... a lot. So every year new variations on strains of spike proteins evolve, and new vaccines need to be made for them.

What the researchers did was look for neutralizing antibodies to many, many strains of influenza virus. And when they tested it they found that this antibody wasn't directed against the outer portion of the spike protein, which is constantly evolving. Instead, it's directed against the stalk of the spike protein, which attaches the head of the spike protein to the virus, and which is genetically stable (what's called 'conserved'.)

That's the influenza story to date out of Oxford. They've discovered a universal influenza neutralizing antibody, and identified the 'stalk' piece of the virus that it works against.



So, what does this have to with SARS-CoV-2? Aside from the obvious parallels, of course ...

Pfizer just announced that that third vaccination within a year of being fully vaccinated is likely going to be necessary. My question is - is this due to waning effectiveness, or new strains, or both, or something else? I scoured through as many news sources and search engines as I could to try to find out 'why', and the best I could find out was that it's a combination of both - new strains, with waning effectiveness. Though it appears those aren't completely separate topics. If old vaccines have a reduced effectiveness against new strains, then one method of countering that is to boost people's immunity from time to time, to keep the old vaccine more effective against them.

When it comes to waning immunity - THIS IS NOT A NEW TOPIC. I posted about this over a year ago. At the time the question of effective immunity and length of immune state from either actual infection OR from a vaccine was already being posed (especially by me, because it didn't get a lot of air-time in the media). It only LOOKS like news, because vaccines were over-hyped as a magic bullet. And so this looks like a new unexpected complication. It isn't. (And the appearance of this being 'news' is because, as usual, the mouthpieces assume people can't understand a complicated and nuanced message. So they transmit cartoons instead. And yes, a certain percentage of people really can't grasp a more complex message. But that doesn't mean it should be withheld from everyone.)

The obvious answer is to come up with a more universal SARS-CoV-2 vaccine.



And I'm sure huge teams of researchers are going to be given tons of resources and paid lots of overtime to get this done. ASAP. Given the logic of profit, I'm sure of it.

/sarcasm

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Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:49 PM

SIGNYM

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Thanks for the update on the universal influenza vaccine. Like Apolipoprotein A (roto-rooter for blood vessels) it seems to have been dropped by big pharma, if it hasn't been effectively buried.

I wonder how the Sputnik V stands up to new variants? So far, no news in that direction.

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Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:04 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



I'm hoping after this very recent, bare-bones Pfizer statement about COVID-19 booster shots, that more news on that specifically will start trickling out.

As for the relative effectiveness of various vaccines against COVID-19 variants, it's something I'd have to specifically look into (which, sadly, I'm not going to take the time to do, as life is waiting for me!). I haven't seen any front-page news or head-to-head comparisons about it.

As for blood clots, I know the AZ vaccine is a DNA vaccine based on a NON-human adenovirus backbone. The J&J vaccine vaccine is a DNA vaccine based on a HUMAN adenovirus backbone. In generic category, Sputnik V resembles the J&J vaccine. I wonder if the issue is the particular portion of the spike protein chosen by AZ and J&J. SARS-CoV-2 itself is known to cause blood clots.

This obviously needs more research to ferret out the particulars.

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Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:38 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



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Like Apolipoprotein A (roto-rooter for blood vessels) it seems to have been dropped by big pharma, if it hasn't been effectively buried.

Like that room-temperature, self-heating, base-metal-using catalyst that turns wet, contaminated ethanol more than 100% into H2 and O2 (it transforms some of the water, too), that would make ethanol/electric fuel-cell vehicles completely commonplace, got buried as well ... No need for a pressurized H2 explosion-capable infrastructure! No need to do anything to the gas stations except fill them with ethanol instead of gasoline! No need for IC/ electric dual-capability cars! Direct electric drive, go-anywhere, refill anywhere vehicles made possible!


That was at least 15 years ago. I wonder whatever happened to it?


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Thursday, April 15, 2021 10:27 PM

SIGNYM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Like Apolipoprotein A (roto-rooter for blood vessels) it seems to have been dropped by big pharma, if it hasn't been effectively buried.

Like that room-temperature, self-heating, base-metal-using catalyst that turns wet, contaminated ethanol more than 100% into H2 and O2 (it transforms some of the water, too), that would make ethanol/electric fuel-cell vehicles completely commonplace, got buried as well ... No need for a pressurized H2 explosion-capable infrastructure! No need to do anything to the gas stations except fill them with ethanol instead of gasoline! No need for IC/ electric dual-capability cars! Direct electric drive, go-anywhere, refill anywhere vehicles made possible!


That was at least 15 years ago. I wonder whatever happened to it?


I remember seeing the device in a corncob-sized converter in C&E News. The catalyst, as I recall, was cerium. Whatever happened to that, indeed.

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Tuesday, April 20, 2021 1:40 PM

SIGNYM

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Just taking my usual occasional gander at the 91-DIVOC stats...

New cases per 100,000 per day
Sweden, the bellweather for doing nothing official, "new cases" have risen sharply in the past 4 weeks and is right up there with Turkey and Croatia at about 60, and so far has not turned down. Estonia is the most recent big peak at 114. Hungary's "new cases" peaked in a "second wave" about four weeks ago at 95 and has fallen sharply. (I'm looking at Hungary because they are at the top of the "new deaths" curve.) USA's "new cases" peaked about three months ago in a big "third wave" at about 76 and has fallen since, and is now about 20.


In terms of deaths per 100,000 per day, the current rankings (top down) are Hungary at almost 3, followed by Bosnia/Herzegovenia, Uruguay, Bulgaria, N Macedonia, Slovakia, Poland, and Brazil. Hungary's "new deaths", however, seem to have peaked and is finally falling. I have a hard time believing that Albania isn't up there too, but that's prolly a testing/censorship issue. USA is at about 0.2, as is Sweden.

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In terms of the individual states, Oklahoma had a HUGE recent spike in "new deaths" in the last week at 6.2. In terms of "how states did" overall, irrespective of time, NY was at 6,.5, OK at 6.2, Iowa at 3,3, NJ at 3.2, Alabama at 3, S Dakota at 2.9, KY at 2,6 and N Dakota at 2.5. CA is a piker by comparison at 1.4.


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Monday, June 7, 2021 7:14 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



More and more evidence is coming out that SARS-CoV-2 is human-engineered, with this as a more recent example. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9658851/Genome-sequencing-cer
tainly-proves-COVID-deliberately-lab-experts-claim.html?ci=220795&si=24162156&ai=9658851
. This is an idea I've been pretty much OK with from the very beginning. But the evidence for an early spread - earlier than the Wuhan 'wet market' event - is something that's stuck in my mind. To me the question has been who released it, when, how, and why. And the US is not off the hook. And the harder tptb now point to a Wuhan accidental lab release - the exact same way they insisted it was a naturally occurring virus and not from any lab - the more I'm inclined to look elsewhere.

Lab created? IMO probably. Wuhan Institute of Virology lab accident? An open question.


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Monday, June 7, 2021 7:21 PM

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More and more evidence is coming out that SARS-CoV-2 is human-engineered, with this as a more recent example. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9658851/Genome-sequencing-cer
tainly-proves-COVID-deliberately-lab-experts-claim.html?ci=220795&si=24162156&ai=9658851
. This is an idea I've been pretty much OK with from the very beginning. But the evidence for an early spread - earlier than the Wuhan 'wet market' event - is something that's stuck in my mind. To me the question has been who released it, when, how, and why. And the US is not off the hook. And the harder tptb now point to a Wuhan accidental lab release - the exact same way they insisted it was a naturally occurring virus not from the lab - the more I'm inclined to look elsewhere.

Lab created? IMO probably. Wuhan Institute of Virology lab accident? An open question.





I'm still going with my Grand Social Experiment theory that I mentioned here Very early on. It was a US/China joint effort.

This thing was hardly a danger at all, and look what effect it had on people.

I'm sure TPTB got a lot of useful data in the last 15 months.

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Monday, June 21, 2021 5:32 PM

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New Study Links Ivermectin to ‘Large Reductions’ in COVID-19 Deaths
By Tom Ozimek
June 21, 2021 Updated: June 21, 2021


The use of the antiparasitic drug ivermectin could lead to “large reductions” in COVID-19 deaths and may have a “significant impact” on the pandemic globally, according to a recent pre-print review based on peer-reviewed studies.

For the study (pdf), published June 17 in the American Journal of Therapeutics, a group of scientists reviewed the clinical trial use of ivermectin, which has antiviral and anti-inflammatory properties, in 24 randomized controlled trials involving just more than 3,400 participants. The researchers sought to assess the efficacy of ivermectin in reducing infection or mortality in people with COVID-19 or at high risk of getting it.

Using multiple methods of sequential analysis, the researchers concluded with a moderate level of confidence that the drug reduced the risk of death in COVID-19 patients by an average of 62 percent, at a 95 percent confidence interval of 0.19–0.79, in a sample of 2,438 patients.

Among hospitalized COVID-19 patients, the risk of death was found to be 2.3 percent among those treated with the drug, compared to 7.8 percent for those who weren’t, according to the review.

“Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease,” the authors wrote.

Since the start of the pandemic, both observational and randomized studies have evaluated ivermectin as a treatment for, and as prevention against, COVID-19 infection.

“A review by the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance summarized findings from 27 studies on the effects of ivermectin for the prevention and treatment of COVID-19 infection, concluding that ivermectin ‘demonstrates a strong signal of therapeutic efficacy’ against COVID-19,” the researchers wrote, referring to one recent review, which was based on data from both peer-reviewed studies and pre-print manuscripts.

They cited another recent review that concluded that ivermectin reduced deaths by as much as 75 percent, while noting that neither the National Institutes of Health in the United States nor the World Health Organization (WHO) has recommended the use of ivermectin outside clinical trials for use against COVID-19.

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA), in a note on “Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19,” warns that it has received “multiple reports of patients who have required medical support and been hospitalized after self-medicating with ivermectin intended for horses.”

“Using any treatment for COVID-19 that’s not approved or authorized by the FDA, unless part of a clinical trial, can cause serious harm,” the FDA said in the note, adding that it hasn’t reviewed data to support the use of ivermectin in COVID-19 patients.

The WHO said in March that “the current evidence on the use of ivermectin to treat COVID-19 patients is inconclusive” and that, until more data becomes available, the agency recommends that “the drug only be used within clinical trials.”

The authors of the efficacy study argued, however, that the drug has an “established safety profile through decades of use” and “could play a critical role in suppressing or even ending the SARS-CoV2 pandemic.”

“The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally,” they wrote in the study abstract.

The authors noted in their publication that all the studies on which they based their conclusions have been peer-reviewed.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/new-study-links-ivermec
tin-to-large-reductions-in-covid-19-deaths_3867278.html


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Monday, June 21, 2021 9:09 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Thanks for the post!

I read somewhere that there's some indication that HCQ might also work. My only objection to HCQ is that because it could cause serious/ deadly side effects due to G6PD deficiency (found in 10% of Mediterranean and African populations), that it should be prescribed thoughtfully, and not en masse.

Oh, I was just following up on quinine/ cardiac arrhythmias, quinidine/ cardiac arrhythmias, and HCQ/ cardiac arrhythmias; I looked at the 3 of them because they're all in the same broad category.

Quinine has been used to treat malaria, but also rarely cardiac arrhythmias, as it has a noticeable effect on heart conductivity, but can also induce cardiac arrhythmias at times.

The same is true of quinidine, a stereoisomer of quinine whose primary use has been to treat arrhythmias but which has also been far less used to prevent and treat malaria.

HCQ is also used as a prophylactic and treatment against malaria, but has never been used to treat cardiac arrhythmias to my knowledge, though it's been used to treat rheumatoid arthritis, some types of lupus, and some other autoimmune conditions.

So the question is does HCQ affect heart conductivity like its related drugs?

There are several websites that report rare documented cases of HCQ cardiotoxicity.
https://theskepticalcardiologist.com/2020/04/24/hydroxychloroquine-car
diotoxicity-a-rare-but-potentially-deadly-adverse-effect
/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15079764/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29600108/
https://academic.oup.com/rheumatology/article/54/suppl_1/i56/1829732
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2048872612471215

but others that didn't
https://www.the-rheumatologist.org/article/hydroxychloroquine-cardioto
xicity-in-ra-patients
/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34015030/

and some reported overall benefit
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2052297520300998



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Thursday, June 24, 2021 5:54 PM

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Not sure if this covered here already.



https://www.resetera.com/threads/double-cgg-and-covid-wsj-oped.438079/
#:~:text=The%20presence%20of%20the%20double%20CGG%20seque

nce%20is,that%20the%20virus%20was%20developed%20in%20a%20laboratory.

Double cgg genetic sequence only found in Gain-Of-Function research, never found in nature.

Wuhan demanded that NIH in USA delete from their database the fact that this genetic sequence was in the Wuhan Flu covid.





Wuhan Dr., who worked for the Chinese Army (PLA) and applied for patent for coronavirus vaccine shortly after Fauci unleashed it upon the world, is now dead under "mysterious circumstances."



Some international Games event in 2019 had large scale illness with symptoms of covid, months before Wuhan admitted they had released it.



Yes, all of this was pulled together by Dan Bongino on his show, and links are supposed to be at his website.

https://bongino.com/home/2

https://bongino.com/title-ep-1549-china-is-desperate-to-erase-the-evid
ence


https://bongino.com/ep-1548-the-china-spy-story-erupts-where-is-he

https://bongino.com/ep-1545-did-a-spy-defector-from-china-prove-trump-
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Friday, June 25, 2021 4:31 PM

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theepochtimes.com
Quote:

Half of Adults Infected in Latest COVID-19 Outbreak Were Fully Vaccinated: Israeli Official
By Jack Phillips June 25, 2021 Updated: June 25, 2021

About 90 percent of new COVID-19 infections in Israel were caused by the CCP virus’s Delta variant, officials said, while adding that about half of the adults infected in the recent outbreak were fully vaccinated.

Ran Balicer, who leads an expert advisory panel for the Israeli government, in announcing the finding on Friday, said that the country might end up implementing another lockdown after opening up earlier this year, according to the Wall Street Journal. The fully vaccinated individuals were inoculated with the Pfizer COVID-19 shot commonly used in Israel.

“The entrance of the delta variant has changed the transition dynamics,” he noted, referring to the B.1.617.2 strain of COVID-19 that has now been detected in more than 70 countries. COVID-19 is the illness caused by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus, otherwise known as the novel coronavirus.

New cases of the virus rose to more than 200 on Thursday, from around 10 per day in most of June, officials said.

And on Friday, Israeli authorities told residents that they must again have to wear masks again indoors, reported Reuters.

The health ministry reimposed the mask requirement for all indoor settings except the home, and said it was also recommending masks be worn at large outdoor gatherings, specifically mentioning gay pride events taking place around Israel this weekend.

Some 55 percent of Israel’s 9.3 million population have received both doses of the Pfizer vaccine, officials said. Eligibility was extended to 12- to 15-year-olds in May.

“Our goal at the moment, first and foremost, is to safeguard the citizens of Israel from the Delta variant that is running amok in the world,” Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett said Wednesday, reported the WSJ.

The reimposition of the country’s mask mandate and potentially a new lockdown is sure to prompt questions about the general effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines—and amid reports of so-called “breakthrough” cases in recent weeks.

Earlier this month, for example, nearly 4,000 fully vaccinated people in Massachusetts tested positive for the CCP virus, according to health officials in the state.

“We’re learning that many of the breakthrough infections are asymptomatic or they’re very mild and brief in duration,” said Boston University infectious diseases specialist Davidson Hamer, the Boston Herald reported. “The viral load is not very high.”

“Breakthroughs are expected, and we need to better understand who’s at risk and whether people who have a breakthrough can transmit the virus to others,” Hamer said. “In some cases, they’ll be shedding such low levels of the virus and won’t be transmitting to others.”

And on April 30, the CDC reported that some 10,626 breakthrough cases were reported in 46 states and territories.

The World Health Organization (WHO) says on its website that COVID-19 vaccines should work against the Delta strain as well as other COVID-19 variants.

However, the U.N. agency warned that “changes or mutations in the virus should not make vaccines completely ineffective,” adding that if the “vaccines prove to be less effective against one or more variants, it will be possible to change the composition of the vaccines to protect against these variants.”

The Epoch Times has contacted Pfizer for comment.



People who study such things in vitro say that the Pfizer vaccine provides partial protection against SARS-Cov2 infection. However, this article implies that there is NO real-world protection against infection. If about half of the population of Israel is vaccinated and half of the infected were fully vaccinated, then fully-vaccinated people are getting infected at the same rate as the unvaccinated.

What the article doesn't quantify is how aggressive the Israeli testing program is. For example, are they detecting asymptomatic/ very mild infections as well as serious infections? It also doesn't quantify whether the vaccine is effective against serious infections and death.

This kind of partial reporting prevents people from making rational, reality-based decisions.


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Friday, June 25, 2021 5:12 PM

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THANKS! for the post Signy.

It's also not clear to me what Israel's masking rules are, and what kind of masks they use.

In the US, it's recommended that unvax people wear masks (though not necessarily N95, which doesn't seem protective for the wearer) but it's OK for vax people to go without.

If, for example, Israel uses N95 and says unvax people must(should) wear them but vax people can go without, then vax people would be far more exposed.

IMPORTANT INFORMATION THE EPOCH TIMES LEFT OUT

The Epoch Times article, while linking the WSJ reporting, leaves out this information the WSJ contained: Children under 16, most of whom haven’t been vaccinated, accounted for about half of those infected, he said. https://www.wsj.com/articles/vaccinated-people-account-for-half-of-new
-covid-19-delta-cases-in-israeli-outbreak-11624624326





WHAT DOES 'EFFECTIVENESS' MEAN? ie WHAT IS THE ENDPOINT?

Also, I swear reporting is deliberately fudged. Originally when vaxs were being developed, the study/ research endpoint measure of 'effectiveness' was severe disease and hospitalizations. But that wasn't made explicit in the reporting when ~95% figures were being quoted. It was left up to the imagination of the readers that they meant against infection, which all other vaxs seem to use as their endpoint, rather than the real endpoint of severe infections/ hospitalizations.

When it because apparent that the vaxs protected against infection, the reported measure was gradually shifted to explicitly state infections.

Now that the Delta variant is in the US, the reporting is once again either not being reported, or vague.

"Fauci says indications are that the COVID-19 vaccines remain effective against the variant."
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/delta-variant-now-responsible-for-on
e-in-five-u-s-coronavirus-infections-01624398668


"There was a study that came out recently that showed that individuals that had received one dose of the Pfizer vaccine had about 33-percent protection level against the Delta variant. That number went up significantly after the second dose of the Pfizer vaccine to about 88-percent ..."
https://www.localmemphis.com/article/news/verify/verify-does-the-pfize
r-vaccine-protect-from-the-delta-covid-variant/522-e7cb98f1-0c88-4ac7-ab46-608b036f1905


"our vaccine being very effective, around 90 percent, in preventing the coronavirus disease"
https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/trends/health-trends/pfizer-says-cov
id-vaccine-highly-effective-against-delta-variant-7083131.html


"The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine offered better protection against the Delta variant compared to the Oxford-AstraZeneca preventive, known as Covishield in India."
https://www.thehealthsite.com/news/pfizer-biontech-astrazeneca-covid-1
9-vaccines-provide-protection-against-delta-variant-lancet-study-819924
/

NOTE: All of the news items I've seen about Pfizer 'effectiveness' against the delta variant indicated their news came from a Lancet study, but none provide any links to the article.

So I went to The Lancet, and found this:

June 14, 2021
SARS-CoV-2 Delta VOC (variant of concern) in Scotland ...
hospitalization endpoint
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)013
58-1/fulltext


However, since news agencies often get advance copies from publications, it's not clear if this is the study the recent news times refer to, or if there's a newer unpublished study.


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Friday, June 25, 2021 5:15 PM

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Quote:

]Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Not sure if this covered here already.



https://www.resetera.com/threads/double-cgg-and-covid-wsj-oped.438079/
#:~:text=The%20presence%20of%20the%20double%20CGG%20seque

nce%20is,that%20the%20virus%20was%20developed%20in%20a%20laboratory.

Double cgg genetic sequence only found in Gain-Of-Function research, never found in nature.

Wuhan demanded that NIH in USA delete from their database the fact that this genetic sequence was in the Wuhan Flu covid.

Already covered in great detail by Dr. Chris Martenson many months ago. Aside from the fact that the epidemic started in Wuhan, site of a virus research lab which was studying EXACTLY bat-sourced SARS viruses for gain of function, the presence of parts of spike protein which only appear is other viruses genomically far far away from the virus in question tips the odds in favor of manmade.

Many pharma and bio research labs farm out (subcontract) the high-volume, repetitive work (like genomic sequencing or drug discovery) to China.

If the Wuhan lab was doing gain of function research for USA entity, there would be grant proposals and RFQs and bids and contracts and regular reports and all of that paperwork. When the WHO "investigated" the lab and proclaimed it clean, I doubt they went into the files and accounts to see where money was coming from.

By now, most of the records would have been destroyed.


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Friday, June 25, 2021 5:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

]Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Not sure if this covered here already.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/double-cgg-a
nd-covid-wsj-oped.438079/#:~:text=The%20pres
ence%20of%20the%20double%20CGG%20seque
nce%20is,that%20the%20virus%20was%20deve
loped%20in%20a%20laboratory.

Double cgg genetic sequence only found in Gain-Of-Function research, never found in nature.

Wuhan demanded that NIH in USA delete from their database the fact that this genetic sequence was in the Wuhan Flu covid.

Already covered in great detail by Dr. Chris Martenson many months ago. Aside from the fact that the epidemic started in Wuhan, site of a virus research lab which was studying EXACTLY bat-sourced SARS viruses for gain of function, the presence of parts of spike protein which only appear is other viruses genomically far far away from the virus in question tips the odds in favor of manmade.

The Spike protiens appear in nature, in other viruses, right?
Bats appear in nature, right?
Those old pieces of info have nothing to do with what I posted, about the double cgg sequence NEVER FOUND IN NATURE, and ONLY USED IN GAIN-OF-FUNCTION research.
If you have something pertinent to comment, try again.
Has the double cgg sequence already been posted in this thread?

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Friday, June 25, 2021 6:30 PM

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Oh, fwiw, there's a new variant that's even worse than Delta, colloquially called the Delta+ variant.

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Friday, June 25, 2021 10:05 PM

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JSF: Here is the origianlpost which I believe addresses your point

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Chris Martenson, Peak Prosperity, thinks that some researchers have found the "smoking gun" that points to this virus being lab-modified. There is a 12-nucleotide insert in the spike protein which does not appear in ANY other near-relation coronavirus which makes this virus much more efficient at infecting cells ("gain of function").

While gain of function research was being done on bat coronaviruses in the Wuhan lab, it was actually being FUNDED by Fauci's group.





http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63473&p=31

I would have to listen to the whole video again to make sure that we're both talking about the exact same genomic sequence, but in this video this sequence makes the fusion of virus to human cell much, much more efficient.



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Friday, June 25, 2021 11:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Oh, fwiw, there's a new variant that's even worse than Delta, colloquially called the Delta+ variant.



Delta+ you say?

Sounds Double+ Ungood.

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Saturday, June 26, 2021 1:31 AM

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Oh, btw Signy, this is how scrambled/ devious the reporting can be.

In several places I read that Israel claimed a 80% vaccination rate. But that's only among adults. So articles claiming 80% vaccination are suspect right off.

Here's some more scrambled reporting.

Quote:

... more than 50% of COVID-19 cases from the Delta variant were the breakthrough infections ...
https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/rest-of-the-world-news/covid-
19-israel-says-delta-variant-infecting-vaccinated-people-mask-rule-reintroduced.html

What does that mean, exactly? It certainly doesn't mean this, quoted from the same article!
Quote:

it reported a Delta variant surge that infected nearly 50 percent of the country’s vaccinated population.
That's a basic misunderstanding of simple math!

Quote:

As of June 24, about 57% of Israel's population was fully vaccinated, according to John Hopkins University data.
An analysis by UK health officials found that two doses of Pfizer's vaccine were 88% effective (what does that mean?) against Delta, while a single shot was just 33% effective. That's compared to 95% efficacy against the original strain, with 52% after one shot.
In the UK, where the Delta variant makes up more than 90% of cases, 26 of 73 total deaths associated with Delta were among people who had been fully vaccinated, according to The Telegraph.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/israel-says-the-delta-variant
-is-infecting-vaccinated-people-as-many-as-50percent-of-cases-but-they-are-less-severe/ar-AALoer5



Every time UNLINKED, scattered, incomplete numbers are reported, it's a red flag. SOMEBODY knows what ALL the numbers are!

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Saturday, June 26, 2021 10:46 AM

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Nobody should be giving this vaccination to children.

Horrible, horrible parenting.


Kids can make a decision if they want their wieners cut off at 5 years old, but they have no agency to refuse a jab in the arm and to be a Big Pharma test subject?

Clown world.

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Saturday, June 26, 2021 3:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Oh, fwiw, there's a new variant that's even worse than Delta, colloquially called the Delta+ variant.



Delta+ you say?

Sounds Double+ Ungood.

Maybe you are forgetting the Religion that they follow, that Fauci has spent his entire career failing at, the template for this type of Rabbit Hole.

When the "AIDS Virus" which symptoms paralleled Drug addiction in America and wealthy Europe failed to materialize in Africa, which the AIDS Religion foretold would happen, They proclaimed that in Africa, this same "AIDS Virus" with symptoms paralleling starvation, where all of the population was starving.
Remember? They needed to come up with an excuse for this logic fail, so they called it "Strain B" which only existed in the delusions of the Africans, and Strain A was the one which only existed in the minds of the nations with rampant Drug Abuse.

So now that Fauci has unleashed the covid upon the world, the more Super-Dooper Uber fantastic Great versions shall be called "Strains" or "variants."
The worst versions are scheduled for release and Lockdowns in 2022 and 2024, so those Elections can be stolen as well, which was the entire purpose of Fauci unleasing it in time for 2020.

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Saturday, June 26, 2021 3:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
JSF: Here is the origianlpost which I believe addresses your point
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Chris Martenson, Peak Prosperity, thinks that some researchers have found the "smoking gun" that points to this virus being lab-modified. There is a 12-nucleotide insert in the spike protein which does not appear in ANY other near-relation coronavirus which makes this virus much more efficient at infecting cells ("gain of function").

While gain of function research was being done on bat coronaviruses in the Wuhan lab, it was actually being FUNDED by Fauci's group.



http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63473&p=31

I would have to listen to the whole video again to make sure that we're both talking about the exact same genomic sequence, but in this video this sequence makes the fusion of virus to human cell much, much more efficient.

No.
The part of the video which is pertinent starts around 20 minutes, and he briefly explains the double cgg sequence, then refers to it as the PRRA sequence, the furin cleavage site.

I realize you are a disciple of Chris Martenson, but from what I've seen he mostly just waits a few months after real news (Rush, Dr. Oz, Hannity, Mark Levin) has revealed the truth and facts, then he regurgitates the common knowledge of News Purveyors. This seems to give Libtards the OK stamp to start repeating what Real News has been exposing for months.
In this vid, he mentions the Fauci controlling Wuhan Lab, only 2 months after Levin revealed this fact.
He does not make any mention of the double cgg sequence being present only in Gain-of-Function research (although he does talk about it being used), nor that it has never appeared in nature. If he knew these facts, he did not mention them or glossed over them in that video.

He also does not make any mention of Wuhan demanding that NIH in USA delete from it's database the genetic sequence (ie evidence) of the early covid cases.

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Saturday, June 26, 2021 4:20 PM

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Quote:

When the "AIDS Virus" which paralleled Drug addiction promiscuous gay male sex in America and wealthy Europe failed to materialize exploded in Africa, which the AIDS Religion foretold would happen, They proclaimed that in Africa, this same "AIDS Virus" paralleled starvation promiscuous male sex and war where all of the population was starving.

Remember? They needed to come up with an excuse for this logic fail, so they called it "Strain B" which only existed in the delusions of the Africans, The vast majority of Africans are infected with the 'western' version of HIV. and Strain A was the one which only existed in the minds of the nations with rampant Drug Abuse while a significant minority of western HIV-postive people are infected with the 'W African' strain. .


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Sunday, June 27, 2021 2:06 PM

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Quote:

Altogether in the US, more than 4,100 people have been hospitalised or died after catching Covid-19 post-vaccination


So, if roughly 55% of America is vaccinated, that means 4,100 cases out of 176 million, or .00023 out of 100,000. Since this is an accumulated number of cases and it would be impossible to find the accumulation of cases in unvaccinated people over the same number of months, I'm going to turn this into a weekly rate. Assuming that vaccines have been in full swing for 22 weeks, that means 0.0000011 cases per 100,000 per week, compared to the rate of 1 new death per 1000,000 per week at peak and 80 new cases per week per 100,000. (There is no easily-found equivalent metric of "hospitalized or died", which is somewhere between "new cases" and "new deaths").

However calculated, the vaccines look very effective so far at preventing hospitalizations and death so far.

This should be rechecked in winter - as I'm sure it will be - when "new cases" again rise, since the drop in "new cases" is partly due to summer weather. Also, by then the effectiveness of the vaccine, even to the strain for which it was produced, might be wearing off. There are a LOT of variants of concern "out there" which will have made their way to the USA by then.

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Sunday, June 27, 2021 2:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Oh, fwiw, there's a new variant that's even worse than Delta, colloquially called the Delta+ variant.



Delta+ you say?

Sounds Double+ Ungood.

Maybe you are forgetting the Religion that they follow, that Fauci has spent his entire career failing at, the template for this type of Rabbit Hole.

When the "AIDS Virus" which symptoms paralleled Drug addiction in America and wealthy Europe failed to materialize in Africa, which the AIDS Religion foretold would happen, They proclaimed that in Africa, this same "AIDS Virus" with symptoms paralleling starvation, where all of the population was starving.
Remember? They needed to come up with an excuse for this logic fail, so they called it "Strain B" which only existed in the delusions of the Africans, and Strain A was the one which only existed in the minds of the nations with rampant Drug Abuse.

So now that Fauci has unleashed the covid upon the world, the more Super-Dooper Uber fantastic Great versions shall be called "Strains" or "variants."
The worst versions are scheduled for release and Lockdowns in 2022 and 2024, so those Elections can be stolen as well, which was the entire purpose of Fauci unleasing it in time for 2020.



Sounds as plausible as any other theory.

I'm just waiting to see what the real side effects are going to be.

And them I'm wondering if I'll live long enough to see everybody who got one go through them.

I'm still 50/50 on the idea that when they release Covid 20 it will kill 100% of the people who didn't get a vaccination.

Perfect way for them to eliminate anyone who doesn't immediately take a knee and kiss the ring.

I guess that will be my last I Told You So.

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Tuesday, June 29, 2021 3:37 PM

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L.A. County urges everyone to wear mask indoors as Delta variant spreads

... in public indoor spaces — regardless of whether they’ve been vaccinated for COVID-19. “Until we better understand how and to who the Delta variant is spreading, everyone should focus on maximum protection with minimum interruption to routine as all businesses operate without other restrictions, like physical distancing and capacity limits ... (though) fully vaccinated people appear to be well protected from infections with Delta variants ... preventing hospitalizations and deaths ...”

https://todaynewspost.com/news/us-news/l-a-county-urges-everyone-to-we
ar-mask-indoors-as-delta-variant-spreads
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Tuesday, June 29, 2021 4:04 PM

SIGNYM

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Despite being vaccinated, I still use an N95 for grovery shopping bc at any one time there are 200-300 people in the store. As fas as I'm concerned, that's a large potential exposure.

I wouldn't wear one just to to takeout from a small retauarant.

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Tuesday, June 29, 2021 5:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:


L.A. County urges everyone to wear mask indoors as Delta variant spreads

... in public indoor spaces — regardless of whether they’ve been vaccinated for COVID-19. “Until we better understand how and to who the Delta variant is spreading, everyone should focus on maximum protection with minimum interruption to routine as all businesses operate without other restrictions, like physical distancing and capacity limits ... (though) fully vaccinated people appear to be well protected from infections with Delta variants ... preventing hospitalizations and deaths ...”

https://todaynewspost.com/news/us-news/l-a-county-urges-everyone-to-we
ar-mask-indoors-as-delta-variant-spreads/



Covid-20 is coming...

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Tuesday, June 29, 2021 7:16 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

1KIKI:
L.A. County urges everyone to wear mask indoors as Delta variant spreads

... in public indoor spaces — regardless of whether they’ve been vaccinated for COVID-19. “Until we better understand how and to who the Delta variant is spreading, everyone should focus on maximum protection with minimum interruption to routine as all businesses operate without other restrictions, like physical distancing and capacity limits ... (though) fully vaccinated people appear to be well protected from infections with Delta variants ... preventing hospitalizations and deaths ...”

https://todaynewspost.com/news/us-news/l-a-county-urges-everyone-to-we
ar-mask-indoors-as-delta-variant-spreads
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SIX: Covid-20 is coming...

It's already here..



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Tuesday, June 29, 2021 9:15 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Maybe people will actually die from this one.



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Tuesday, June 29, 2021 11:33 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



How would you know? It's not like you're cluing in to people dying from this one.


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Wednesday, June 30, 2021 1:08 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


They're not.

Almost a year and a half and I still no nobody who knows anybody who's even been one of the lies.

The 103 year old lady who went to my Dad's church and wasn't able to see her kids when she died doesn't count.

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Wednesday, June 30, 2021 2:43 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Does she not count because she's not 'people', or because she didn't 'die'?

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Wednesday, June 30, 2021 8:59 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


She doesn't count because she was 103.

But now her family will always remember that they were forced to let her die alone.

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Wednesday, June 30, 2021 1:33 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




Nobody dies of old age, Jack.

What did she die of, btw? Hit by a bus? Struck by lightning? If not by COVID-19, what was it?

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Wednesday, June 30, 2021 2:07 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Almost a year and a half and I still no nobody who knows anybody who's even been one of the lies.

I posted this a few times before, SIX, but it musta bounced off your skull: I PERSONALLY KNOW two people who died of Covid-19. One whose systems were frail... but it was Covid-19 who pushed her over the edge. Another who was fairly robust, who worked as a home health aide, and Covid-19 DEFINITELY shortened her lifespan by about 20 years!

Get a clue, SIX. Just because the pandemic was weaponized doesn't mean it isn't real.

Here's an analogy you might understand: The issue of overpopulation can also be weaponized, but it is ALSO real.

Or stay as deep in denial as you are. People who only hear what they want to hear... and there's a whole host of them here, including you, SIX .... well, mere facts will never change your minds.

Just please, stop repeating this non-fact:

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Almost a year and a half and I still no nobody who knows anybody who's even been one of the lies.



I get tired of repeating what I've already posted a few times already.

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Wednesday, June 30, 2021 2:27 PM

SIGNYM

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KIKI, I get tired or arguing with denialists about this, so going to change the pov here to a more forward-looking one.

All of these variants ... yes, the vaccines significantly reduce hospitalizations and deaths from the newer strains, but unless they manage to significantly reduce NEW CASES then all they will do is create evolutionary pressure towards the creation of super-strains of Covid-19: ones which are even more infectious and even more resistant to herd immunity, either by vaccination or infection.

As you mentioned before, since there isn't a significant non-human host for Covid-19 (Cats, apparently, can catch it from time to time. Dogs, rarely. Ferrets and mink ... but not that much human exposure to either. Bats?) we COULD wipe it out, stop it in its tracks, if most people in the world were innoculated pretty much at the sametime against the prevailing strain(s).

But until then, this is like the "overuse of antibiotics" problem, on a global scale, with something a lot more infectious than S Aureus or tuberculosis. I wonder if pharma is working in a new version now that the technology has been developed. Or maybe they're waiting to see whether a truly resistant strain emerges, and work on the snippets of spike proteins from THAT version.

I guess what I'm wondering is ... will we be chasing this thing around the globe five or six times? Moscow's vaccination program has been chnaged from voluntary to mandatory with an uptick of cases. I suspect by this winter cases will jump again as people spend more time together indoors, and we will be revisiting the whole vaccination/masking issue again.

I hope I'm wrong.

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Wednesday, June 30, 2021 9:39 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Yeah, I agree.

As I too have posted a few times already - if we don't get rid of this everywhere, we won't get rid of it anywhere.

There's an interesting theory about commonality v lethality. Over time a disease can't be both common and lethal. If it is it'll kill off all of its hosts and then it too will die. Of course the transition to a stable situation could be a rough one, until pathogen (and host, but mostly the pathogen, because it evolves so much more quickly) stumble around genetically before they find the right combination that allows both to survive.


Anyway, overall it's the stewing of large numbers of pathogens in large numbers of people that provides the living (group) bioreactor, that gives the pathogen enough time and space to evolve variants. It's the evolutionary pressure of both the host's own defenses, as well as treatments and vaccines, that selects for resistant strains.

So yes, as you mentioned, antibiotics select for resistant strains.

And as you guessed, vaccines could do the same thing. And there's a real-world example of vaccinations selecting for different resistant strains. Prevnar-7 is a vaccine that protects against pneumonia caused by 7 different Streptococcus pneumoniae strains, which in this case is a bacteria. However, it's caused those strains to become more rare as a cause of pneumonia in populations with the vaccine, and other strep strains to become relatively abundant.

Like SARS-CoV-2, S. pneumoniae is an obligate human pathogen - in other words, there is no known external reservoir (though animals can be experimentally infected for research purposes). But unlike SARS-CoV-2 it has a widespread human reservoir, at all times up to ~10% of adult humans, and up to 60% of children under 2, are asymptomatic S. pneumoniae carriers. (To distinguish this from SARS-CoV-2 I want to point out that it's not true that at all times up to ~10% of humans are asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 carriers.) And also unlike SARS-CoV-2, S. pneumoniae has literally thousands of already existing strains, all intermixing genetically to produce even more strains.

So, when the original 7-valent vaccine came out, it knocked out a whole set of genes from the existing genome and dropped serious infections ... which were then rapidly infilled from other non-target strains. Now there's a Prevnar-13 vaccine, and one with 23 bacterial strains.

The question is I think - is SARS-CoV-2 more like S. pneumoniae, or more like smallpox?

If I had to guess, I'd say at present it's a lot more like smallpox. BUT - imo that changes as more time goes by. So I think there's a window to address it globally, and wipe it off the face of the planet.



If global COVID-19 vaccination goes like - say, efforts to reduce CO2 emissions, or denuclearization, or addressing deforestation - then the outcome is an escalating spread of SARS-CoV-2.

But if it goes like the effort to eliminate smallpox, for example, then we could also eliminate it off the planet.


ETA: California is already recommending all persons mask indoors.


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Saturday, July 3, 2021 4:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

1KIKI:
L.A. County urges everyone to wear mask indoors as Delta variant spreads

... in public indoor spaces — regardless of whether they’ve been vaccinated for COVID-19. “Until we better understand how and to who the Delta variant is spreading, everyone should focus on maximum protection with minimum interruption to routine as all businesses operate without other restrictions, like physical distancing and capacity limits ... (though) fully vaccinated people appear to be well protected from infections with Delta variants ... preventing hospitalizations and deaths ...”

https://todaynewspost.com/news/us-news/l-a-county-urges-everyone-to-we
ar-mask-indoors-as-delta-variant-spreads
/

SIX: Covid-20 is coming...

It's already here..

Covid-20 is already being rolled out, but in CA only. It is needed for the Recall Election of Gavin Newsum.

The new and existing Election Laws still permit that one state can have a Lockdown-worthy beer bug.

The next pertinent versions allocated in the Election Laws are supposed to wait to be timed for the 2022 and 2024 Elections Lockdowns.


I have not paid attention to the schedule calendar for the Recall, but as soon as those Election dates are specified, that should tell us the dates the Lockdown should take effect.
If Fredo Gump was being recalled in NY, then NY could have this Covid-20 also, in time for Lockdown Election theft.

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Saturday, July 3, 2021 10:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Almost a year and a half and I still no nobody who knows anybody who's even been one of the lies.

I posted this a few times before, SIX, but it musta bounced off your skull: I PERSONALLY KNOW two people who died of Covid-19. One whose systems were frail... but it was Covid-19 who pushed her over the edge. Another who was fairly robust, who worked as a home health aide, and Covid-19 DEFINITELY shortened her lifespan by about 20 years!

Get a clue, SIX. Just because the pandemic was weaponized doesn't mean it isn't real.

Here's an analogy you might understand: The issue of overpopulation can also be weaponized, but it is ALSO real.

Or stay as deep in denial as you are. People who only hear what they want to hear... and there's a whole host of them here, including you, SIX .... well, mere facts will never change your minds.

Just please, stop repeating this non-fact:

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Almost a year and a half and I still no nobody who knows anybody who's even been one of the lies.



I get tired of repeating what I've already posted a few times already.

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I'm not denying that people died in 2020.

They just didn't die of Covid-19.



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Saturday, July 3, 2021 10:44 PM

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Not even 50% of Indiana residents are vaccinated.



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