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6IXSTRINGJACK:
I agree. All of that is funny, despite it being true.
Which part made you laugh, Karen?

SIGNY: SIXSTRINGSHIT- why don't you just call KIKI a "Russian troll" and turn into a GSTRING?
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SIX: Too late. I already did.
She should probably stop spouting fear mongering propaganda that is enabling a shift of our government toward Communism.

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First of all, I happen to think her numbers are correct. Certainly better than yours!

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Too late. I already did.

She should probably stop spouting fear mongering propaganda that is enabling a shift of our government toward Communism.

She only believes the numbers that show worst case scenario and throws out any that destroys her agenda.

I had no idea that I was friendly with hostile agent Karen this whole time.



Second praises Communist tactics because he's an idiot and probably isn't even aware that he's doing it. Karen is not an idiot.

GString might have been right about her all this time.

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6ix, what you are doing is called Red-baiting. Republicans have been doing it since before your parents were born: "As the Cold War heated up in the years following World War II, liberal political candidates were frequently accused of being either Communists or at the very least sympathetic to the Communist Party." - www.jstor.org/stable/43264751?seq=1

Trump's lawyer, Roy Cohn, was a famous Red-baiting Republican who worked with the ultimate Red-baiting Republican, Senator Joe McCarthy. Red-baiting is in the DNA of Republicans. It is a habit of theirs very much like dogs eating poop. You dogs do it, but to humans it is disgusting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy#Army%E2%80%93McCarthy_he
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, March 12, 2020 5:43 PM
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https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/study-estimates-covid-19-may-hav
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SIX, NOBODY will go with your "solution" of "opening up the economy" and letting a lot of people die. Nobody believes that your whining and bitching and carrying on has anything to do with worrying about the little people and their lives, when you CLEARLY prefer seeing a lot of them them die. If anyone is a "fascist", son, it's you.

So before you start name-calling, why don't you clarify in your own mind exactly WHAT you're trying to achieve, because so far you seem to be a sick, twisted fuck, just like WISHY.

So, just to be abundantly clear: What would you trying to achieve with your plan, SIX? When you have the answer, let us know.

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SIGNYM:
SIX, NOBODY will go with your "solution" of "opening up the economy" and letting a lot of people die. Nobody believes that your whining and bitching and carrying on has anything to do with worrying about the little people and their lives, when you CLEARLY prefer seeing a lot of them them die. If anyone is a "fascist", son, it's you.
So before you start name-calling, why don't you clarify in your own mind exactly WHAT you're trying to achieve, because so far you seem to be a sick, twisted fuck, just like WISHY.
So, just to be abundantly clear: What would you trying to achieve with your plan, SIX? When you have the answer, let us know.
#WEARAMASK


SIX: I've already made myself clear.
The amount of deaths do not in any way justify the actions that have been taken.
You also better hope that a shit ton of people die now, because nobody is going to take the next one seriously at all if they don't, and the next one might actually be something to worry about.

In the mean time, we've trashed the economy over nothing. Let's get back to work.

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lol

Says Karen from Commiefornia who is giving stimulus relief to people who don't even live here legally.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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SIGNYM:
SIX, NOBODY will go with your "solution" of "opening up the economy" and letting a lot of people die. Nobody believes that your whining and bitching and carrying on has anything to do with worrying about the little people and their lives, when you CLEARLY prefer seeing a lot of them them die. If anyone is a "fascist", son, it's you.
So before you start name-calling, why don't you clarify in your own mind exactly WHAT you're trying to achieve, because so far you seem to be a sick, twisted fuck, just like WISHY.
So, just to be abundantly clear: What would you trying to achieve with your plan, SIX? When you have the answer, let us know.
#WEARAMASK


SIX: I've already made myself clear.
The amount of deaths do not in any way justify the actions that have been taken.
You also better hope that a shit ton of people die now, because nobody is going to take the next one seriously at all if they don't, and the next one might actually be something to worry about.

In the mean time, we've trashed the economy over nothing. Let's get back to work.

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And what amount of deaths would be "enough" to justify closing the economy?

did you even bother to look at the chart that I linked, or the video that I posted which shows the number of deaths per week due to the coronavirus versus other causes of death, like heart attacks and the 2017-2018 flu plus pneumonia?

https://i.insider.com/5e98cd7173d0c818b1055a52?width=1300&format=j
peg&auto=webp


When is "enough" enough?

And what's wrong with mask-wearing? Do you WANT people to die?

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lol

Says Karen from Commiefornia who is giving stimulus relief to people who don't even live here legally.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Then you must think it's very strange that California leads all other states in per capita GDP by a huge margin.



But what does that have to do with COVID-19 and allowing states to reopen their economies at will, but at their own risk??

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Yet they can't manage to clean literal human shit off the streets.

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SIGNY: SIX, NOBODY will go with your "solution" of "opening up the economy" and letting a lot of people die. Nobody believes that your whining and bitching and carrying on has anything to do with worrying about the little people and their lives, when you CLEARLY prefer seeing a lot of them them die. If anyone is a "fascist", son, it's you.
So before you start name-calling, why don't you clarify in your own mind exactly WHAT you're trying to achieve, because so far you seem to be a sick, twisted fuck, just like WISHY.
So, just to be abundantly clear: What would you trying to achieve with your plan, SIX? When you have the answer, let us know.
#WEARAMASK


SIX: I've already made myself clear.
The amount of deaths do not in any way justify the actions that have been taken.
You also better hope that a shit ton of people die now, because nobody is going to take the next one seriously at all if they don't, and the next one might actually be something to worry about.

In the mean time, we've trashed the economy over nothing. Let's get back to work.

SIGNY: And what amount of deaths would be "enough" to justify closing the economy?

did you even bother to look at the chart that I linked, or the video that I posted which shows the number of deaths per week due to the coronavirus versus other causes of death, like heart attacks and the 2017-2018 flu plus pneumonia?

https://i.insider.com/5e98cd7173d0c818b1055a52?width=1300&format=j
peg&auto=webp
When is "enough" enough?
And what's wrong with mask-wearing? Do you WANT people to die?
#WEARAMASK

SIX:100 Million deaths. I already answered that question.
I don't have any problem with easily scared people wearing masks. I have a problem with the idea of Government mandating that everybody wear a mask.

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SIGNY: SIX, NOBODY will go with your "solution" of "opening up the economy" and letting a lot of people die. Nobody believes that your whining and bitching and carrying on has anything to do with worrying about the little people and their lives, when you CLEARLY prefer seeing a lot of them them die. If anyone is a "fascist", son, it's you.
So before you start name-calling, why don't you clarify in your own mind exactly WHAT you're trying to achieve, because so far you seem to be a sick, twisted fuck, just like WISHY.
So, just to be abundantly clear: What would you trying to achieve with your plan, SIX? When you have the answer, let us know.
#WEARAMASK


SIX: I've already made myself clear.
The amount of deaths do not in any way justify the actions that have been taken.
You also better hope that a shit ton of people die now, because nobody is going to take the next one seriously at all if they don't, and the next one might actually be something to worry about.

In the mean time, we've trashed the economy over nothing. Let's get back to work.

SIGNY: And what amount of deaths would be "enough" to justify closing the economy?

did you even bother to look at the chart that I linked, or the video that I posted which shows the number of deaths per week due to the coronavirus versus other causes of death, like heart attacks and the 2017-2018 flu plus pneumonia?

https://i.insider.com/5e98cd7173d0c818b1055a52?width=1300&format=j
peg&auto=webp
When is "enough" enough?
And what's wrong with mask-wearing? Do you WANT people to die?
#WEARAMASK

SIX:100 Million deaths. I already answered that question.
I don't have any problem with easily scared people wearing masks. I have a problem with the idea of Government mandating that everybody wear a mask.

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100 million? In the USA?

SIX, you and reality have parted ways. NOBODY would risk a 1:3 chance of dying to "reopen" the economy, especially an economy that only serves to make the rich richer. What I don't get is why you (of all people) would promote such fascistic (and yes, I mean fascistic) nonsense. I thought you were all for freedom.

I can see sacrificing my life for something, but for sure not to go back to "business as usual". That would be worse than pointless.

AFA government telling you to wear a mask ... you're just throwing a giant temper tantrum. That's all this whole thing is about, isn't it? You convinced yourself that the economy was "doing great" despite all indications to the contrary, decided to take a "vacation" in spite of being advised against it, and just when you thought you had a gig being someone's handyman and the value of your house would go up with all the work you put into it, the rug got pulled out from under you. I agree with KIKI: Your life has been a series of bad decisions. You're smarter than that; you might want to look back and figure out what it is that caused you to do that.

Well, that's enough of discussing you, your temper tantrums and your nasty fantasies.

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How are either of those numbers "astonishing"?

Boy are you people in for a rude awakening when something comes that is actually serious.



BTW... 1,200 deaths per million is .12% and 500 deaths per million is .05%.

Not 1.2% and .5%.

Making them less "astonishing" by a factor of 10.





At least you're thinking out side of the box now though and not going by confirmed cases anymore.

What made you finally come around? I've been saying that was bullshit since day fekkin one.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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How are either of those numbers "astonishing"?

Boy are you people in for a rude awakening when something comes that is actually serious.



BTW... 1,200 deaths per million is .12% and 500 deaths per million is .05%.

Not 1.2% and .5%.

Making them less "astonishing" by a factor of 10.





At least you're thinking out side of the box now though and not going by confirmed cases anymore.

What made you finally come around? I've been saying that was bullshit since day fekkin one.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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I have NEVER counted confirmed cases, moron. I have been pointing out the problem with limited testing EVER SINCE I STARTED POSTING about this, which you would have noticed if you paid the slightest attention to anything other than your own feelz.

Now, how about getting back to your ridiculous plan to kill off almost a third of the people in the USA to "re open" a fascist economy?

Sounds like a winner to me! /snark


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My point, dummy, is that nowhere near 1/3 of the population would die.

Quit your fear mongering, Karen 2.

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Well, my main concern was to try and compare Sweden's "do nothing" approach (altho, as you posted, in reality they ARE doing something, it's just voluntary) to a mandatory approach.

Denmark isn't a good comparison because it's a lot more crowded than Sweden, so in terms of population density, percent of people in assisted living, percent of people who work from home and technical capability Norway is the closest analogue and Finland would be second. None of them are big tourist destinations.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/879251/employees-teleworking-in-th
e-eu/

Sweden is currently at 146 deaths/MM (Jeez, last time I pulled out a figure it was 88) Norway is at 30.6, Finland is at 16.3 and (just for kicks) Denmark is at 59.4.

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I can explain San Marino and Andorra, which are microstates heavily dependent on tourism. Switzerland is in the same boat.

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Spain and Italy also have a lot of tourists, and under troika-enforced austerity I would imagine that housing is more multi-generational than in the Nordic countries because assisted living is a luxury that neither the government nor individuals can afford, but I can't explain Belgium which is right up there with Andorra and still climbing. Also, you would think that Portugal would be the same as Spain (austerity, tourism) but it's not.

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Anyway, your post sparked a whole lot of thoughts about "where people are exposed" ... at work; in residences; in open-air public; at mass gatherings like spring break, religious celebrations, and sports events ... and so far mass gatherings seem to be the biggest driver, place of residence seems to be another, and work - specifically in the tourism sector - seems to be another important one. But that is already evolving as the initial exposures spark secondary exposures (in health care workers, for example).

I have heard that "wealth is a Covid-19 vector", which goes along with my observation that in the west it was first prevalent in what I called the "well-heeled, well-traveled, well-connected".


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We are only just beginning to understand why this is so. The coronavirus attacks lung cells that make surfactant. This substance helps keep the air sacs in the lungs stay open between breaths and is critical to normal lung function. As the inflammation from Covid pneumonia starts, it causes the air sacs to collapse, and oxygen levels fall. Yet the lungs initially remain “compliant,” not yet stiff or heavy with fluid. This means patients can still expel carbon dioxide — and without a buildup of carbon dioxide, patients do not feel short of breath.

Patients compensate for the low oxygen in their blood by breathing faster and deeper — and this happens without their realizing it. This silent hypoxia, and the patient’s physiological response to it, causes even more inflammation and more air sacs to collapse, and the pneumonia worsens until their oxygen levels plummet. In effect, the patient is injuring their own lungs by breathing harder and harder. Twenty percent of Covid pneumonia patients then go on to a second and deadlier phase of lung injury. Fluid builds up and the lungs become stiff, carbon dioxide rises, and patients develop acute respiratory failure.

By the time patients have noticeable trouble breathing and present to the hospital with dangerously low oxygen levels, many will ultimately require a ventilator.

Silent hypoxia progressing rapidly to respiratory failure explains cases of Covid-19 patients dying suddenly after not feeling short of breath. (It appears that most Covid-19 patients experience relatively mild symptoms and get over the illness in a week or two without treatment.)

A major reason this pandemic is straining our health system is the alarming severity of lung injury patients have when they arrive in emergency rooms. Covid-19 overwhelmingly kills through the lungs. And because so many patients are not going to the hospital until their pneumonia is already well advanced, many wind up on ventilators, causing shortages of the machines. And once on ventilators, many die.

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Yanno, if only 1% are going to die of COVID-19 in this country, that's 3.5M deaths.

You either need to check your math or you need to check your brain, because something isn't right with your post.



I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACK over the edge with too much reality.

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Sweden Vs COVID-19: Why "Herd Immunity" Matters & Why Lockdown Doesn't Really Work

Professor Johan Giesecke, one of the world’s most senior epidemiologists, advisor to the Swedish Government (he hired Anders Tegnell who is currently directing Swedish strategy), the first Chief Scientist of the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, and an advisor to the director general of the WHO, lays out with typically Swedish bluntness why he thinks:

UK policy on lockdown and other European countries are not evidence-based

The correct policy is to protect the old and the frail only

This will eventually lead to herd immunity as a “by-product”

The initial UK response, before the “180 degree U-turn”, was better

The Imperial College paper was “not very good” and he has never seen an unpublished paper have so much policy impact

The paper was very much too pessimistic

Any such models are a dubious basis for public policy anyway

The flattening of the curve is due to the most vulnerable dying first as much as the lockdown

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The results will eventually be similar for all countries

Covid-19 is a “mild disease” and similar to the flu, and it was the novelty of the disease that scared people.

The actual fatality rate of Covid-19 is the region of 0.1%

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SEJONG, April 21 (Yonhap) -- The coronavirus pandemic could have a negative impact on births and marriages this year and is feared to accelerate population decline in South Korea, a senior finance ministry official said Tuesday.

Vice Finance Minister Kim Yong-beom said in a meeting on the nation's population policy that the coronavirus outbreak has reshaped people's everyday lives, prompting people to work from home and students to take online classes.

"There are worries that shocks from COVID-19 could have a negative impact on births and marriages and accelerate a decline in birthrates this year," Kim said.

Kim urged officials to take a "new approach" on population policy in the wake of the pandemic.

South Korea's total fertility rate hit an all-time low in 2019, a clear sign of its population decline down the road.

The country's total fertility rate, which refers to the average number of children a woman bears in her lifetime, came to 0.92 last year, down from 0.98 a year earlier, according to the data from Statistics Korea.

Last year marked the second consecutive year for the rate to fall below 1. South Korea was the only member of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development that had a total fertility rate below 1.

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But other studies are in the works ... the latest from USC which shows that approximately 4% of the LA population had Covid-19 at one point.

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What is abundantly clear?

Are you comparing SK to the US?

By what metric? Everything from our cultures to our infrastructure couldn't be more different. And the variations of population densities across our country couldn't be more wild... something that SK really doesn't have.


Even with their "limited" response to the Coomph, they sound pretty worried about the effects of them. They seem a lot more honest about the reprocussions from what little comparative actions they have taken than any of our media is.

https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20200421005300320

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SEJONG, April 21 (Yonhap) -- The coronavirus pandemic could have a negative impact on births and marriages this year and is feared to accelerate population decline in South Korea, a senior finance ministry official said Tuesday.

Vice Finance Minister Kim Yong-beom said in a meeting on the nation's population policy that the coronavirus outbreak has reshaped people's everyday lives, prompting people to work from home and students to take online classes.

"There are worries that shocks from COVID-19 could have a negative impact on births and marriages and accelerate a decline in birthrates this year," Kim said.

Kim urged officials to take a "new approach" on population policy in the wake of the pandemic.

South Korea's total fertility rate hit an all-time low in 2019, a clear sign of its population decline down the road.

The country's total fertility rate, which refers to the average number of children a woman bears in her lifetime, came to 0.92 last year, down from 0.98 a year earlier, according to the data from Statistics Korea.

Last year marked the second consecutive year for the rate to fall below 1. South Korea was the only member of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development that had a total fertility rate below 1.

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As for people here? It's been 5 or 6 weeks now for most of us, which for many of us is all the time it takes to develop new habits. Good or bad.

People aren't just going to bounce back from this. Some will. Most won't. People are going to be changed, and more people will be changed the longer this goes on. But at least they'll be washing their hands, because I guess until late March of 2020 that wasn't a thing that a lot of people did.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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