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new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China

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Saturday, July 18, 2020 7:29 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


You started the personal attacks.

Every time. Every single time.

You can go back and dig through my posts from 2006. Go ahead and keep it within this year and you'll see that's the case.


I'm able to argue with Sigs without letting it devolve. That's because she's only insulted me once or twice, and then pulls back on it.


You're just fucking ridiculous with it and just as bad as Nilbog is.


Everything you're saying about me right now is simply you projecting your own bullshit. On top of it, you were whining that it's some sort of sexism thing as if I don't dish that out to anybody who's being a jagoff.


Stop being a jagoff.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, July 18, 2020 8:07 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACK over the edge with too much reality.

But then, it was his own choice to turn himself into a poster who posts literally nothing but personal attacks, trolls, and lies.

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Saturday, July 18, 2020 8:51 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
JACKAREN is beyond a flat-earther.

Because disagreement is one thing. But JACKAREN goes out of his way to initiate personal attacks and trolling of people who disagree with him.

And I'm going to continue responding, by pointing out that he's a sociopath, whenever he trolls me because I post something he doesn't like.

Then you're letting him determine the content of your thread and allowing him to direct your thoughts. How many posts in this otherwise interesting thread are going to be devoted to tit-for-tat?

He's just a nasty deluded dood shouting insults on a streetcorner. Walk on by; he's not worth your attention.

As for "who started it" ... having checked into the early posts, it looks like KIKI did, with this

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Bullshit, Jack. Just stop. Stop being an ass, just because you can't let facts get in the way of your opinions

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63473&p=2

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Saturday, July 18, 2020 10:09 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


After he belittled me by posting as if I didn't know what I was talking about and then spammed the thread with his bullshit because he was too stupid to read the many times repeated word 'insertions' - see below.

You know, one doesn't need to call someone a well-deserved name to be a troll.

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I dunno Kiki. Youtube LOVES censoring stuff. Maybe you need to broaden your news sources to find what you're looking for.






































Do Right, Be Right. :)

So fuck-off, oh righteous one! There! See? I didn't call you a bad name. So don't get mad at me because I'm not trolling you.

But let me just take a moment to point out your YUGE double standard. I've been for the most part ignoring JACKass's trolling. And yet you find fault when I do kick back.

OTOH you don't seem to have a problem that JACKass does NOTHING BUT troll. Dooood. Take any 20 of JACKass's posts. And LOOK at them. What do you see? Lies. Personal attacks. Bogus claims. There is NO effort at ANY fact-based discussion from JACKass anywhere.

Stop excusing his behavior.

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Saturday, July 18, 2020 10:23 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


America Should Prepare For A Double Pandemic

Seven years ago, the White House was bracing itself for not one pandemic, but two. In the spring of 2013, several people in China fell sick with a new and lethal strain of H7N9 bird flu, while an outbreak of MERS—a disease caused by a coronavirus—had spread from Saudi Arabia to several other countries. “We were dealing with the potential for both of those things to become a pandemic,” says Beth Cameron, who was on the National Security Council at the time.

Neither did, thankfully, but we shouldn’t mistake historical luck for future security. Viruses aren’t sporting. They will not refrain from kicking you just because another virus has already knocked you to the floor. And pandemics are capricious. Despite a lot of research, “we haven’t found a way to predict when a new one will arrive,” says Nídia Trovão, a virologist at the National Institutes of Health. As new diseases emerge at a quickening pace, the only certainty is that pandemics are inevitable. So it is only a matter of time before two emerge at once.

“We have to prepare for a pandemic to happen at any time, and ‘any time’ can be when we’re already dealing with one pandemic,” Cameron told me.

https://web.archive.org/web/20200717070645/https://www.theatlantic.com
/health/archive/2020/07/double-pandemic-covid-flu/614152
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, July 18, 2020 12:25 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
After he belittled me by posting as if I didn't know what I was talking about and then spammed the thread with his bullshit because he was too stupid to read the many times repeated word 'insertions' - see below.

You know, one doesn't need to call someone a well-deserved name to be a troll.

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I dunno Kiki. Youtube LOVES censoring stuff. Maybe you need to broaden your news sources to find what you're looking for.



But let me just take a moment to point out your YUGE double standard. I've been for the most part ignoring JACKass's trolling. And yet you find fault when I do kick back.

OTOH you don't seem to have a problem that JACKass does NOTHING BUT troll. Dooood. Take any 20 of JACKass's posts. And LOOK at them. What do you see? Lies. Personal attacks. Bogus claims. There is NO effort at ANY fact-based discussion from JACKass anywhere.

Stop excusing his behavior.



I'm not excusing his behavior. I KNOW he and JSF share delusions, not only about Covid-19 but also about AIDS. It's common delusion among alt rightwingers. It was pushed by some guy, I forget who, and stupid ppl picked it up, so it's not a homegrown individual belief. I also went rounds with one of them; no matter how much evidence you bring to the discussion ... like, kids got AIDS from blood transfusions ... they manage to insist that it is STILL somehow a product of the "gay lifestyle".

But I digress.

I KNOW SIX IS DELUDED AND A TROLL ON THIS TOPIC. HE'S RGHT UP THERE WITH SECONDRATE ON THE TOPIC OF REPUBLICANS OR GSTRING ON THE TOPIC OF ... ANYTHING. I KNOW HE BRINGS NOTHING TO THE BOARD EXCEPT INSULTS, LIES, AND STUPIDITY ABOUT THIS, AND THAT HE HAS MADE LYING ABOUT YOU HIS PERSONAL MISSION.

BUT WHAT IS THE BEST RESPONSE? WILL YOU CHANGE HIS BELIEFS OR HIS BEHAVIOR BY POINTING OUT EACH AND EVERY TIME THAT HE'S BEING A STUPID LYING JERK?

ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN IS THAT THIS THREAD, IN WHICH I FIND YOUR POSTS INTERESTING AND INSIGHTFUL, WILL BECOME ALL ABOUT SIX, AND ANY POSTS ABOUT THE ACTUAL TOPIC WILL BE BURIED IN MUTUAL ATTACKS.

Don't let that happen to this thread. I've seen many interesting threads derailed ... purposefully btw... by ppl who quite knowingly post flamebait, literally to derail a topic, and often just for fun.

Now, I don't believe SIX is THAT malicious (altho IMHO GSTRING was being paid to be an "inflluencer" and trolled for money) but I DON'T want him to shit up this thread with idiocies.

So, can you ignore the fact that he's lying about you for the greater purpose of keeping this thread at least SOMEwhat on-topic, with the understanding that WE know that he's lying and being a jerk, and WE don't need to be reminded?

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Saturday, July 18, 2020 12:34 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I'm being a jerk, sure. Can't deny that.

But it was provoked and justified.


I am not lying however.




Oh... and I never said anything about AIDS being part of the "gay lifestyle". (WARNING: I SHOULD PREFACE THAT STATEMENT NOW BY SAYING IN THE LAST 4 OR 5 YEARS WITH CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN US, BEFORE KIKI GOES BACK 15 YEARS AND DIGS UP A POST WHERE I MAY HAVE SAID OTHERWISE, AND TAKES IT OUT OF CONTEXT EVEN IF I WAS SAYING IT IN JEST OR TO TROLL SOMEBODY).

How could AIDS be a part of the gay lifestyle when it's made up in the first place? Real people don't get fake diseases. Or are you insinuating that I'm claiming that gay lifestyle is made up and that gay people don't exist?




And I don't bother posting "facts" about this overblown virus anymore because nobody is providing facts about it.

Nearly all of Kiki's links to "facts" are CNN or all of the other sites that were lying about Russia controlling Trump for the last 3 1/2 years.

They get paid to lie everyday. This is no different. The fact that you and Kiki don't recognize that now because they found the thing that terrifies you is not my problem. That's a you problem. I suggest you invest in a mirror and give it a long hard look.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, July 18, 2020 12:42 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So, did you watch the Chris Martenson video? The study that he discusses seems to say it's all about the memory T-cells being "primed" to attack Open Reading Frame (ORF) amino acids, and lysing the host cell even before it has a chance to start reading the spike protein. So maybe the problem with some people is that they either haven't been exposed recently to beta-corona viruses, OR their T-cell production is somehow faulty.

Not that I know what that all means.

What does an ORF do? I dunno, it sounds like a computer "beginning of file" string, but since I know nothing about computers Or biology I could be completely wrong!

What is a "beta" coronavirus? I dunno about that either! All I can presume is that there are also "alpha" coronaviruses, and maybe delta and gamma too!

Anyway, I'm trying to figure out the shape of the newcases and especially newdeaths curves.

I don't believe that they're JUST the result of successful social distancing, altho looking at Sweden's death rate v Norway, it's clear that social distancing reduced the total # of deaths by about a factor of ten. (But the curve shape is still the same, even tho Sweden's was much higher.)

I DON'T believe that they occur because ALL of the "vulnerable people" (at least by age group and comorbidity) have been culled from the population... I'm sure Sweden still has plenty of old people left!

And I DON'T believe that it's because the population has reached "herd immunity", at least not by looking at spike protein neutralizing antibodies, because even in hard-hit Spain the highest average level was 14%.

And I DON'T believe it's just because of more testing and better treatments.

I would love to look at Sweden as a test case, since (unlike Peru, Chile, Ecuador, etc) they are able to keep better statistics.

The best study would be a test for memory Tcells, neutralizing spike protein antibodies, and case histories broken down by age cohort to see who has been exposed to and infected by what. I hope someone does a study like that, anywhere.

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Saturday, July 18, 2020 1:21 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


That's kind of the point. None of us really know what any of any of that means.

And the media is running the Indian Call Center Scams on the plebs.

FEAR! FEAR! FEAR! SCARY VIDEO! FEAR! FEAR! FEAR! SCARY STATS! FEAR! FEAR! FEAR! EMOTIONAL MANIPULATION! FEAR! FEAR! FEAR! OBEY!


This whole thing has been politicized beyond belief. And the fucking Legacy Media psy-ops is out there pretending that it's not the Democrats doing it and it's Evil Orange Drumpler.



If you forget everything else I've said about this from the beginning (which I believe you really already have), don't forget this one thing.


The longer this goes on, and the longer you help them propagate the lies, the more foolish you are going to feel when we all benefit from the clarity of 20/20 hindsight.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, July 18, 2020 2:45 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


SIX, let me be VERY clear: You're on my "ignore" list on the topic bc you not only lie about wht KIKI has posted, you lie about what YOU'VE posted, and you make serious logical errors by first claiming that "nobody knows what it all means" and THEN claiming to know that YOU know what it all means because it's all a DNC-inspired fake.

You are too emotionally and ideologically invested in the topic to have a rational discusison, much like SECONDRATE on the topic of Republicans.

Just so you know why I won't be responding to you much, if at all, on the topic.

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Saturday, July 18, 2020 5:27 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Hey Signy

I was going to take a deep dive, and I started a reply but only got this far before I thought it was going to take a long time, and I needed to start my day.

Coronaviruses are positive sense RNA viruses, which means the viral RNA genome directly codes for protein synthesis - ie, it acts like messenger RNA, and works with the protein-making machinery (ribosomes) of the cell it's in. But first its prepackaged onboard enzymes make more RNA. The virus enzymes create complementary RNA from the viral RNA, then create the complement to that (thus resurrecting the original viral RNA). The proteins made from the messenger RNA are in 2 categories: 1) enzymes that churn out, post-process, arrange, and link up the virus parts; and 2) the viral structural proteins.

They are single-stranded, unlike the human genome which is double-stranded.

They are not retroviruses.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus


It looks like there are 4 major types - alpha, beta, gamma, and delta - with only a few distinguishing characteristics along with in which particular group of animals their evolutionary history is rooted. Not that they can't and don't jump to other groups, but their history and natural reservoirs are found in certain ones.

Alphacoronavirus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphacoronavirus
derived from bats
dogs and cats

Betacoronavirus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betacoronavirus
derived from bats
bats and rodents
This is further subdivided into 4 lineages A, B, C, and D. SARS-CoV-1 and SARS-CoV-2 belong to B, while MERS belongs to C.

Gammacoronavirus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gammacoronavirus
derived from birds and pigs
NA

Deltacoronavirus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deltacoronavirus
derived from birds and pigs
mostly birds and some mammals








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Saturday, July 18, 2020 10:17 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SIX, let me be VERY clear: You're on my "ignore" list on the topic bc you not only lie about wht KIKI has posted, you lie about what YOU'VE posted, and you make serious logical errors by first claiming that "nobody knows what it all means" and THEN claiming to know that YOU know what it all means because it's all a DNC-inspired fake.

You are too emotionally and ideologically invested in the topic to have a rational discusison, much like SECONDRATE on the topic of Republicans.

Just so you know why I won't be responding to you much, if at all, on the topic.

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Go ahead and ignore me.

But you're wrong. I haven't lied. You're misinterpreting anything I've said, and you're bordering dangerously close to lying about me yourself.




I'm never going to wear a mask if it's a government mandate. I only inconvenience myself at the one store that requires it, because I need to buy my shit there and they made those rules to inconvenience everyone. It's my decision that it's less of an inconvenience to wear a soiled mask that looks like somebody shit on my mouth than to drive 15 miles round trip to go to the store that doesn't require them. My choice.

See what happens in my state if they make a mask mandate.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, July 19, 2020 11:53 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Once again, Kiki and Sigs, if nothing that I say makes you take a step back and think about any of this, and if any prior skepticism of the media that you used to have doesn't apply to anything regarding this virus...

I would ask you to take a look at these threads this morning and see the people who are making the same arguments that you are in July of 2020.

Granted, they are much less intelligent put much less eloquently than either of you would put it, but being in complete agreement with Second, Ted and whoever's sockpuppet Marcos is would make me think something was very, very wrong.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, July 19, 2020 8:51 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Interesting interactive map of available Florida ICU beds:

https://www.wpbf.com/article/florida-coronavirus-icu-map/33327286

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Monday, July 20, 2020 1:42 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I've stopped updating the detailed stats since the picture in the US is far too confused to draw any conclusions. Some states are backtracking on their reopening, some aren't, and different measures are being re-implemented in different places at different times.

On the large-scale front, the Oxford coronavirus vaccine development is continuing apace:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/20/oxford-coronavirus-vacci
ne-triggers-immune-response-trial-shows


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-oxford-vaccine-i
dUSKCN24L1MP


https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/uk-e2-80-99s-oxford-universit
y-coronavirus-vaccine-candidate-is-safe-and-effective-with-few-side-effects-early-trial-results-show/ar-BB16XYZa


Oxford has been working on a coronavirus vaccine for iirc at least 10 years. The basic vaccine technology has already been tested and found to be safe. When China published the SARS-CoV-2 genetic sequence back on January 10, 2020 (when it was known as 2019-nCoV), all Oxford had to do was tweak its existing genetic sequence to match, giving it a large jump-start ahead of everyone else.

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Monday, July 20, 2020 3:05 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Globally there are 14,567,109 confirmed cases and 607,187 confirmed deaths (CFR 4.2%).

US 3,794,355 / 140,716


https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda75
94740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

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Tuesday, July 21, 2020 3:14 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


This was posted 19 April.

Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

Says Karen from Commiefornia who is giving stimulus relief to people who don't even live here legally.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Then you must think it's very strange that California leads all other states in per capita GDP by a huge margin.



Quote:

But what does that have to do with COVID-19 and allowing states to reopen their economies at will, but at their own risk??

Here kiki posts more delusional falsehoods, claiming that raw State GDP is the same thing as Per Capita GDP. Her bar graph is titled 2015.

In Fact, CA is 5th or 8th, depending upon criteria or data.
In 2015, AK, ND, WY were the top 3, and CA was 10th.

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Tuesday, July 21, 2020 3:57 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


From 23 April:

Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
... having heard very similar things about hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) ...

One of the problems with chloroquine (related to HCQ) is that it causes significant - and sometimes fatal - heart arrhythmias. Both these drugs have been used for a long time to treat other conditions besides malaria, such as lupus, As such, their side effects are well known. After a debate about the relative safety of both drugs, a small study in Brazil was launched to test chloroquine, as it was deemed the safer drug. The study was halted after only 10 days due to a large number of deaths (~17% of patients) on the higher dose. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.07.20056424v2

kiki does not really endorse the fake Trial in Brazil, but posts of it here. The purpose of the Fake Trial was to discredit HCQ/CQ since it had already proven reliable for about 80 years. It has already been known that at higher doses it causes problems with hearts, so the Fake Trial intentionally gave higher doses in order to have pretext to halt the Fake Trial.

This is a similar tactic used in prior Fake Trials which were manipulated to fail.
One was the Hydrazine Sulfate cancer cure which the NIH pretended to run in the 1990s. The one thing that everybody knew could not be done is consume peanuts or peanut butter while taking Hydrazine Sulfate. After almost all of the Trial subjects were showing regression and absence of their cancers, in order to Fail the Trial, the NIH directed that all of the recovering patients switch their diets from "no peanuts" to requiring them to all consume peanuts every meal. Therefore, obviously, these patients died, giving pretext for the excuse to cancel the Fake Trials and declare the treatment ineffective.

Seems like the same thing now with the Fake Trials for HCQ. Anything for Doctors to kill off some more patients and Big Pharma to make more $$$.

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Tuesday, July 21, 2020 4:44 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed
.1003166


Impact of self-imposed prevention measures and short-term government-imposed social distancing on mitigating and delaying a COVID-19 epidemic: A modelling study

Conclusions

Our results suggest that information dissemination about COVID-19, which causes individual adoption of handwashing, mask-wearing, and social distancing, can be an effective strategy to mitigate and delay the epidemic. ... We stress the importance of disease awareness in controlling the ongoing epidemic and recommend that ... governments and public health institutions mobilize people to adopt self-imposed measures (handwashing, mask-wearing, and social distancing) with proven efficacy in order to successfully tackle COVID-19.

For fast awareness spread in the population, self-imposed measures can significantly reduce the attack rate and diminish and postpone the peak number of diagnoses. We estimate that a large epidemic can be prevented if the efficacy of these measures exceeds 50%. For slow awareness spread, self-imposed measures reduce the peak number of diagnoses and attack rate but do not affect the timing of the peak. Early implementation of short-term government-imposed social distancing alone is estimated to delay (by at most 7 months for a 3-month intervention) but not to reduce the peak. The delay can be even longer and the height of the peak can be additionally reduced if this intervention is combined with self-imposed measures that are continued after government-imposed social distancing has been lifted.

(However) Our analyses are limited in that they do not account for stochasticity, demographics, heterogeneities in contact patterns or mixing, spatial effects, imperfect isolation of individuals with severe disease, and reinfection with COVID-19.



The model examines the impact of different personal and government measures alone and in combination.

In sum, government measures (shelter in place) can delay an epidemic but not reduce it. Self-directed measures (handwashing, mask-wearing, and social distancing) if implemented early can derail a severe pandemic by slowing the spread, delaying the peak, and reducing total numbers of infected. But once the virus has established a toehold, later self-imposed measures can't delay the peak. It appears that government-imposed social distancing might be needed early on, followed by self-imposed measures.

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Tuesday, July 21, 2020 6:56 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/07/02/2008373117

The implications of silent transmission for the control of COVID-19 outbreaks




https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/wearing-masks-could-help-you-
avoid-major-illness-even-if-you-get-coronavirus-experts-say/ar-BB170S1g


Wearing masks could help you avoid major illness even if you get coronavirus, experts say

There's now mounting evidence that silent spreaders are responsible for the majority of transmission of the coronavirus — making universal masking essential to slow the spread of the highly contagious virus, experts say.

This makes the coronavirus different from the seasonal flu. With seasonal flu, peak infectiousness occurs about one day after the onset of symptoms. But with the coronavirus, even among people who do end up becoming visibly sick, peak infectiousness can occur before they show symptoms.

In fact, experts say, significant amounts of virus can start coming out of people's noses and mouths even when they feel well.

This is a key reason, they say, why tactics to deal with the coronavirus must be markedly different than with the seasonal flu. And the universal wearing of masks is key.

Cloth face masks still provide a major protective benefit: They filter out a majority of viral particles.

As it turns out, that's pretty important. Breathing in a small amount of virus may lead to no disease or a more mild infection. But inhaling a huge volume of virus particles can result in serious disease or death.

... it may mean that even if there's a rise in coronavirus infections in a city, the masks may limit the dose of virus people are getting and result in less severe symptoms of illness.

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Tuesday, July 21, 2020 7:55 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Not wearing a mask.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:53 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736%2820%2931604-4

Safety and immunogenicity of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine against SARS-CoV-2: a preliminary report of a phase 1/2, single-blind, randomised controlled trial



The vaccine induced neutralizing IgG antibodies and T-cell response.


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Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:40 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Not wearing a mask.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Fox News: Trump pleads with Americans to wear masks

www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-coronavirus-crisis-will-get-worse-
before-it-gets-better-urges-mask-wearing


In his first official press briefing on the coronavirus pandemic since April, President Trump on Tuesday admitted that the public health crisis is likely to worsen as cases surge across the country and asked all Americans to wear masks in public.

Noting the concerns among many of his supporters that facial coverings impinge on their personal freedoms, Trump pleaded with Americans to wear masks out in public to help prevent the spread of the coronavirus.

“We’re asking everybody when you’re not able to socially distance to wear a mask,” Trump said.

While his comment falls short of a national mandate, it is the strongest endorsement yet from the president who until recently had questioned the efficacy of masks.

He added: “Whether you like masks or not, wear a mask.”

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, July 22, 2020 9:56 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Still not wearing a mask.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:14 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


https://news.yahoo.com/california-most-covid-19-infections-165311684.h
tml


California has most COVID-19 cases in U.S., surpassing New York, as spike continues

California now has the most confirmed coronavirus infections of any state, surpassing New York, as an ongoing statewide spike in the number of infections has pushed its case count past 409,000. As of Wednesday morning, data from Johns Hopkins University showed California had about 1,100 more COVID-19 cases than New York — which was besieged by the virus in the early spring but saw the numbers of newly confirmed infections, deaths and hospitalizations drop dramatically.

California, however, is trending in the opposite direction.

The state reported its highest number of cases in a single day — 11,554 — on Monday, according to data from The Times' coronavirus tracker. The previous record — 11,142 — was set just last week.

Despite the higher case count, California has not experienced nearly as many fatalities as New York has. The Empire State has recorded more than 25,000 COVID-19 deaths, three times as many as California.

But per capita numbers are better

The fact that California is by far the most populous state accounts, in part, for the high number of infections. The state's population of nearly 40 million is more than double that of New York. "I don’t myself over-read into the significance of that number," California Health and Human Services Secretary Dr. Mark Ghaly said Tuesday when asked about California overtaking New York as the state with the most confirmed cases — pointing to both the state's population and geographical size. "I look at every day as an opportunity to do more and do better with our response to COVID-19, and at the end, I really expect and hope that California is going to be the state that adapted the most, learned the most, prepared the best and that we are going to really reduce its impact."

The trends are ominous

Officials, however, have expressed alarm at how California is trending — and not just because of its overall case count.

Coronavirus-related hospitalizations have reached record-breaking levels in the state. More than 7,000 confirmed COVID-19 patients were hospitalized statewide as of Monday, and more than 2,000 were in intensive care, according to the state Department of Public Health.

California is also reporting worsening death tolls. For the weeklong period that ended Monday, 674 deaths were reported in California, the highest weekly total to date. That number broke the record set in the previous seven-day period, when 640 died; the week before that, it was 474.

There's a long feedback-loop for evaluating measures-taken or failures of non-performance

Experts say hospitalizations and deaths are lagging indicators of the coronavirus spread and can reflect exposure to the virus that occurred weeks earlier. That, officials say, is one of the key challenges in the fight against COVID-19: It can take weeks to see whether the steps taken to stem the spread of the disease are working.

Conversely, it can also take weeks to see the repercussions of residents and business owners not taking the necessary steps to protect themselves — which officials say include keeping your distance from people you do not live with, regularly washing and sanitizing your hands, and wearing a face covering in public, particularly when physical distancing isn't possible.

California has taken significant steps aimed at slowing the spread of COVID-19 in recent weeks, issuing a statewide mask order on June 18 and renewed restrictions on numerous activities and businesses last week.

It's not yet known how long those measures will need to be in place. According to Ghaly, "we may take up to three, four, even five weeks to feel the full impact of some of those changes. I wish I had that crystal ball that said, 'This is when we’re going to be ready,' but we’re going to continue to communicate the sort of story from on the ground, understanding how it affects the whole state, so that we don’t do anything too soon," he said. "But, we’re also mindful of the impact of doing things too late, and trying to strike that delicate balance is what we’re going to continue to do."

Younger Californians are fueling the surge and passing COVID-19 along to the vulnerable

Health officials have said the surge in infections is being fueled by younger Californians. Roughly 69% of the state's total confirmed cases have been among those 49 and younger, according to the latest available data.

Of the new cases the county Department of Public Health reported Tuesday, 57% were residents under the age of 41.

Although it's true that younger groups are, on the whole, less likely to fall severely ill as a result of COVID-19, officials stress that that does not mean they are immune — or that they can't spread the disease to others who are more at risk.

“The tragedy of what we are witnessing is that many of our younger residents are interacting with each other and not adhering to the recommended prevention measures, while our older residents continue to experience the results of this increased spread with the worst health outcomes, including death," county Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer said in a statement.

"People over the age of 65 years old account for 11% of all cases but account for nearly 75% of all deaths. Our behaviors, including the wearing of face coverings and the adherence of physical distancing — simple actions of kindness and caring — can protect those we love."

Los Angeles County is the hotbed of the surge

The trends hold true in Los Angeles County, which remains the hotbed of California's outbreak.

Times staff writers Rong-Gong Lin II, Iris Lee, Colleen Shalby and the Associated Press contributed to this report.

I added to subheaders to encapsulate the parts of the article.Los Angeles County is the hotbed of the surge

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Wednesday, July 22, 2020 6:42 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Herd Immunity Threshold Against COVID-19 May Be Lower Than Believed: Researchers
By Isabel van Brugen
July 21, 2020 Updated: July 21, 2020
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Herd immunity to COVID-19, the disease caused by the CCP virus, could be achieved with fewer people being infected than previously estimated, new research suggests.

According to an Oxford University study (pdf), the herd immunity threshold (HIT) may be lower than previous estimates because many people may already be innately immune to COVID-19—without ever having caught the disease.

A team of researchers from the University of Oxford’s Zoology Department, led by Professor Sunetra Gupta, produced a model that suggests as little as 20 percent of the population may need to be resistant to the virus to prevent a resurgence of an epidemic.

The study, which was published on July 16, is yet to be peer-reviewed.

“It is widely believed that the herd immunity threshold required to prevent a resurgence of SARS-CoV-2 is in excess of 50 percent for any epidemiological setting,” the paper says.

The researchers suggest that many people may have already built up some degree of resistance to the virus from exposure to seasonal coronaviruses, such as the common cold.

Herd immunity is achieved when enough people in a population have immunity to an infection to be able to effectively stop that disease from spreading. It lowers the chances of the virus being transmitted from person to person and reaching those who haven’t been infected yet.

People can become immune to certain viruses after surviving infection or being vaccinated. Typically, at least 70 percent of a population must be immune to achieve herd immunity. But how long immunity lasts varies depending on the virus.

“Here, we demonstrate that HIT may be greatly reduced if a fraction of the population is unable to transmit the virus due to innate resistance or cross-protection from exposure to seasonal coronaviruses,” wrote study authors Jose Lourenco, Francesco Pinotti, Craig Thompson, and Gupta.

“These results help to explain the large degree of regional variation observed in seroprevalence and cumulative deaths, and suggest that sufficient herd immunity may already be in place to substantially mitigate a potential second wave,” they added.

But so far, prevailance of previous SARS-Cov2 has not gotten anywhere near 20%, even in places like hard-hit Spain, which means that ANY area that is well below the threshold (whatever it is) can still be subject to an epidemic of crisis proportions, as was northern Italy, Spain, UK, and NYC. So nobody should be breathing easier (so to speak) because of this speculation, except maybe Spain, northern Italy, UK, and NYC.

Quote:

The researchers said that when people who are resistant to a virus mix with non-resistant people, the HIT drops significantly.

“Given the mounting evidence that exposure to seasonal coronaviruses offers protection against clinical symptoms, it would be reasonable to assume that exposure to SARS-CoV-2 itself would confer a significant degree of clinical immunity,” the researchers suggest.

“Thus, a second peak may result in far fewer deaths, particularly among those with comorbidities in the younger age classes.”

More than 14.7 million people have been reported to be infected by the CCP virus worldwide and at least 610,000 have died, according to a tracking map by Johns Hopkins University, although the figures are believed by some experts to be unreliable owing to inaccurate [too low] data from China.



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Wednesday, July 22, 2020 8:24 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Sounds like the spread is healthy.

Good.

Should be over relatively soon.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, July 23, 2020 6:29 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



medical-site sourced links in no particular order

https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/23/nih-to-start-flurry-of-large-studi
es-of-potential-covid-19-treatments
/
NIH to start ‘flurry’ of large studies of potential Covid-19 treatments
Among the trials, he said: studies of antiviral monoclonal antibodies to treat Covid-19 in both hospitalized patients and patients who can be treated at home; studies of drugs to quell overreaction of the immune system that the agency has picked from dozens of approved treatments; and studies of blood thinners in very sick Covid-19 patients to prevent problems caused by blood clots. Those treatment studies will be on top of the work that the NIH is also doing on vaccines, including the Covid-19 vaccine being developed by Moderna Therapeutics.
The decision of whether to participate in the studies is entirely up to the manufacturers, and he said that he has no complaints when a company, such as Regeneron or, on vaccines, Pfizer, decides it can move faster on its own.
Collins promised that the government is going to make sure that trials are conducted rigorously “so that you’re not wasting time, money, or people’s willingness to volunteer.” And he promised that despite the need for speed in vaccine development, there would be no cutting corners. “We will not put something out, and FDA won’t let us, that is not safe and effective. That’s the bottom line,” Collins said. “Even if we come up empty, I will not tolerate the idea that you put something out that’s actually harmful.”
The NIH is also trying to fix another problem: the need for better, faster Covid-19 tests, through a $1.5 billion effort called the Rapid Acceleration of Diagnostics or RADx initiative,which Collins and his colleagues described in an editorial in the New England Journal of Medicine on Wednesday.
The NIH is also trying to fix another problem: the need for better, faster Covid-19 tests ... Most of these efforts, Collins said, are point-of-care tests.


https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/87716
Not All Cloth Masks Are Equally Protective
"From the captured video it can be observed that, for speaking, a single-layer cloth face covering reduced the droplet spread but a double-layer covering performed better," they reported in a case study in Thorax. "Even a single-layer face covering is better than no face covering."
For coughing and sneezing, though, a double-layer cloth face covering was significantly better at reducing the droplet spread. A three-ply surgical mask performed best of all for every type of respiratory emission, the group noted.
Of course, one of the problems with masks as a public health measure has been getting people to wear them.


https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/antibody-cocktail-shows-prom
ise-in-fight-against-the-novel-coronavirus

Antibody cocktail shows promise in fight against the novel coronavirus
Blood from a couple who contracted SARS-CoV-2 in Wuhan, China, early in the outbreak has yielded potent antibodies that have neutralized the virus in the laboratory and protected animals from some effects of the infection. Researchers have also found that combining two of the antibodies may prevent the virus from developing resistance.



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Thursday, July 23, 2020 10:46 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Rapid Decay of Anti–SARS-CoV-2 Antibodies in Persons with Mild Covid-19

A total of 31 of the 34 participants had two serial measurements of IgG levels, and the remaining 3 participants had three serial measurements. The first measurement was obtained at a mean of 37 days after the onset of symptoms (range, 18 to 65), and the last measurement was obtained at a mean of 86 days after the onset of symptoms (range, 44 to 119).

... the estimated mean change ... corresponds to a half-life of approximately 36 days over the observation period ...

The protective role of antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 is unknown, but these antibodies are usually a reasonable correlate of antiviral immunity, and anti–receptor-binding domain antibody levels correspond to plasma viral neutralizing activity. Given that early antibody decay after acute viral antigenic exposure is approximately exponential,3 we found antibody loss that was quicker than that reported for SARS-CoV-1,4,5 and our findings were more consistent with those of Long et al.1 Our findings raise concern that humoral immunity against SARS-CoV-2 may not be long lasting in persons with mild illness, who compose the majority of persons with Covid-19.


https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2025179


COVID-19 Antibodies Fade Quickly, U.S. Study Says
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200723/study-says-covid-19-antibodie
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Rapid Drop of Antibodies Seen in Those With Mild COVID-19
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/934474



The roles of a resurge of new antibodies when challenged, or of T-cell mediated responses, are speculated but unproven.


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Thursday, July 23, 2020 10:50 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


We should probably just mask off then and let the chips fall where they may.

You can't put the shit back in the horse now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, July 25, 2020 3:37 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/14/fix-covid-19-dumpster-fire-us/

How to fix the Covid-19 dumpster fire in the U.S.

Turn the clock back ... go back to Phase 1 of the reopening process and then working forward with more caution.

Embrace al fresco living …

… but tailor tools to local settings

Get creative with risk communications

Teach people to think in terms of harm reduction

Accept that for now the virus has the upper hand

Mine the data more efficiently

Cloudy with a chance of Covid

Consistent consistency

Cut out the politics

Provide more help for the hardest hit

Pop-up testing sites

Daily home testing, on Uncle Sam

Contact tracing, with national support


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Saturday, July 25, 2020 3:38 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/20/trump-said-more-covid19-testing-cr
eates-more-cases-we-did-the-math
/

Trump said more Covid-19 testing ‘creates more cases.’ We did the math

A new STAT analysis of testing data for all 50 states and the District of Columbia, however, shows with simple-to-understand numbers why Trump’s claim is wrong. In only seven states was the rise in reported cases from mid-May to mid-July driven primarily by increased testing. In the other 26 states — among the 33 that saw cases increase during that period — the case count rose because there was actually more disease.

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Saturday, July 25, 2020 3:40 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/87749

Op-Ed: What the Gov't Can Still Do to End Pandemic
— But it will require more commitment than the administration has yet shown

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Saturday, July 25, 2020 3:42 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


https://www.medpagetoday.com/hematologyoncology/othercancers/87750

15X more cancer patients died from COVID-1 than died from cancer.

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Sunday, July 26, 2020 3:54 PM

REAVERFAN


Texas hospital forced to set up 'death panel' as Covid-19 cases surge
Starr County Memorial hospital struggling to cope with virus
Officials blame social gatherings for rise in local cases
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/26/covid-19-death-panels-st
arr-county-hospital-texas



A surge in coronavirus cases in rural Texas has forced one hospital to set up “death panels” to decide which patients it can save and which ones will be sent home to die.

Doctors at Starr County Memorial hospital, the only hospital in Starr county, have been issued with critical care guidelines to decide which Covid-19 patients it will treat and which ones will be sent home because they are likely to die. The committee is being formed to alleviate the hospital’s limited medical resources so doctors can focus on patients with higher survival rates.

Starr county began experiencing increases in coronavirus cases in early July, with 1,769 confirmed cases reported as of 24 July, 17 confirmed fatalities and 33 fatalities pending confirmation from the state. The county had gone several weeks in the early months of the coronavirus pandemic without reporting any cases. Starr county, along the US-Mexico border, has a population of around 64,000 people.

Officials blamed social gatherings for the surge in cases.

“We are seeing the results of socialization during the 4th of July, vacations, and other social opportunities,” wrote Starr county Judge Elroy Vera on the county’s Facebook page. “Unfortunately, Starr County Memorial Hospital has limited resources and our doctors are going to have to decide who receives treatment, and who is sent home to die by their loved ones.”

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Sunday, July 26, 2020 9:26 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


The current state of affairs:

all the data I cite are from 91-DIVOC, per capita

When it comes to the top 10 countries ranking for new cases, Brazil is just barely in the lead, followed closely by South Africa / the US in a virtual tie. There's a largish gap, followed by closely clustering Columbia, Peru, Dominican Republic, and Bolivia, then a small gap followed by Argentina, Chile, and Kazakhstan. The next 15 to round out the top 25 are Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Guatemala, Ecuador, Mexico, Romania, Russia, Spain, Azerbaijan, India, Iran, Belgium, Sweden, Portugal, and Ghana.

But when it comes to news deaths, Peru outpaces everyone by a wide margin, Bolivia, Brazil, Columbia, Mexico, Chile, South Africa, US, Iran, and Iraq. The next 15 to round out the top 25 are Argentina, Iraq, Guatemala, Ecuador, Dominican Republic, Romania, Sweden, Saudi Arabia, UK, Russia, Azerbaijan, India, Portugal, Egypt, and Ukraine. In general the top 10 represent an uninterrupted climb up - except for the US. The next 15 have varied histories from steady movement up, to countries that went up, then down, and are now going up again, to countries with a steady decline after an initial peak.

How the countries got where they got differs. When it comes to deaths, Peru for example was on track with everyone else in the top 10, but then it took a HUGE - almost X4 - step up in one day. The number is so anomalous, I'm not sure I credit it. Earlier Chile had taken a X2.5 step up - which it maintained for a week - before dropping back down to its previous levels. So that's another anomalous change in the data. Pretty much everyone else is on a even uphill climb, except the US which hit a peak early on due to the NYC and region epidemic; as that came under control numbers dropped May-July, but now they're rising again due to rising deaths NOT in NYC and the region.

Overall, the US is currently in the top 10 for per capita cases and per capita deaths. Historically after an early induction period, the Us has never been out of the top 10 for either category.



Within the US, on a state by state basis, a number of states peaked early for new cases - New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Massachusetts, which have since been pushed down to low numbers through active measures, and stayed there.
Delaware, Virginia, DC, and Maryland seem to be moving in unison, having a low peak early and, a slight decline, and a resurge. The New England region Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, are all low.

The top 10 states that are surging with per capita news cases are Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arizona, South Carolina, Georgia, Nevada, Texas, and Tennessee. except for Louisiana which peaked early due to Mardi Gras, dropped, and is now zooming up again, all these states initially had low numbers and have only recently - in the last month - spiked upward.

When it comes to new deaths, those states also predominate, in decreasing order they are Arizona, South Carolina, Louisiana, Mississippi, Florida, Texas, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, and Ohio.

Aside from areas where it seemed like there was a strong regional influence (NYC area, New England area, DC area), the rest of the states seem to be influenced mostly by state factors - the presence of large meat processing facilities, state policy like Hawaii (which was extremely protective) and degree of non-compliance like California, relative ruralness and isolation, and so forth.

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Sunday, July 26, 2020 9:31 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, July 26, 2020 10:18 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Once again JACK is reduced to inarticulateness by lack of data, thought, and coherency.

I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACK over the edge with too much reality.

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Monday, July 27, 2020 4:12 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Monday, July 27, 2020 5:14 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Once again JACK is reduced to inarticulateness by lack of data, thought, and coherency.

I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACK over the edge with too much reality.






I think "lol" does quite a good job articulating how amusing you've become.


BTW... Don't be retarded like Ted. If you're going to use annoying font colors and italics, be a good girl and put the closing brackets so people quoting you aren't inconvenienced.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, July 27, 2020 8:24 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


https://news.yahoo.com/california-desperate-signs-turnaround-stunning-
120007532.html

California desperate for signs of turnaround after stunning coronavirus setbacks

https://dailycaller.com/2020/07/27/coronavirus-vaccine-human-trial-nih
-moderna-volunteers
/

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/as-l-a-county-nears-states-safety-thr
eshold-for-positive-coronavirus-infections-its-unclear-which-direction-california-is-heading
/
As L.A. County nears state’s safety threshold for positive coronavirus infections, it’s unclear which direction California is heading

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/la-county-nears-states-safety
-threshold-for-positive-coronavirus-infections-will-it-last/ar-BB17fxj6

L.A. County nears state's safety threshold for positive coronavirus infections. Will it last?


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Monday, July 27, 2020 9:49 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I'm still wondering why you buy into every bit of news regarding the virus when you usually are so skeptical of those same news sources.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, July 27, 2020 10:03 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


What 'source' would you accept if it told you COVID-19 was a problem?

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Tuesday, July 28, 2020 4:30 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
From 23 April:

Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
... having heard very similar things about hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) ...

One of the problems with chloroquine (related to HCQ) is that it causes significant - and sometimes fatal - heart arrhythmias. Both these drugs have been used for a long time to treat other conditions besides malaria, such as lupus, As such, their side effects are well known. After a debate about the relative safety of both drugs, a small study in Brazil was launched to test chloroquine, as it was deemed the safer drug. The study was halted after only 10 days due to a large number of deaths (~17% of patients) on the higher dose. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.07.20056424v2

kiki does not really endorse the fake Trial in Brazil, but posts of it here. The purpose of the Fake Trial was to discredit HCQ/CQ since it had already proven reliable for about 80 years. It has already been known that at higher doses it causes problems with hearts, so the Fake Trial intentionally gave higher doses in order to have pretext to halt the Fake Trial.

This is a similar tactic used in prior Fake Trials which were manipulated to fail.
One was the Hydrazine Sulfate cancer cure which the NIH pretended to run in the 1990s. The one thing that everybody knew could not be done is consume peanuts or peanut butter while taking Hydrazine Sulfate. After almost all of the Trial subjects were showing regression and absence of their cancers, in order to Fail the Trial, the NIH directed that all of the recovering patients switch their diets from "no peanuts" to requiring them to all consume peanuts every meal. Therefore, obviously, these patients died, giving pretext for the excuse to cancel the Fake Trials and declare the treatment ineffective.

Seems like the same thing now with the Fake Trials for HCQ. Anything for Doctors to kill off some more patients and Big Pharma to make more $$$.

OK, so I finally completed this post from a week ago. Sorry for the delay.

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Tuesday, July 28, 2020 4:40 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I also posted about a study where the HCQ-caused cardiac arrhythmias were appropriately controlled for, which did show a positive effect with HCQ. And I've pointed out - more than once - that none of the trials used zinc, which one would seem to want, in order to study the full effects.

But I bet you haven't even noticed those posts. Or that I've been looking at all the facts from all the 'sides'.

Because you and JACK have a narrative ...




... because - haters gotta' hate. And hate is all you see. You see nothing else. Certainly not my posts. And definitely not the facts. It's all you 'think'. It's all you know. And you and JACK only post to exercise your hate.

And that's how JACK can claim I'm 'afraid' and that I'm for 'full government control over everything'. And how you can fail to see my many posts that don't line up with your biases.

Well, enough about you. This is supposed to be RWE after all.



I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACK - and JSF - over the edge with too much reality.

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Tuesday, July 28, 2020 6:12 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
What 'source' would you accept if it told you COVID-19 was a problem?




NONE.



Congrats on becoming part of Kiki's hilarious signature line JSF.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, July 28, 2020 6:19 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Then you are beyond reason. Some people call that insane.

Let's see if JSF is there with you.

Putting you on 'ignore'.

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Tuesday, July 28, 2020 10:07 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Then you are beyond reason. Some people call that insane.

Let's see if JSF is there with you.

Putting you on 'ignore'.




You say that, but...

Seriously. Ignore me already. I'm getting tired of hearing that for the 50th time and answering your stupid questions over and over again.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, July 28, 2020 10:24 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Putting you on 'ignore'.

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Tuesday, July 28, 2020 10:44 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Oh, shit... I didn't see you replied back to say you're putting me on ignore already here. We already had our threepeat!


I think Kikikaren needs to invest in a dictionary and look up the word ignore. Pretty sure she's a bit foggy on how this whole ignore concept works.




How was the masking in Karenville today?

Were you able to get anybody arrested? I'm sure that would have felt great, huh?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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