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Some Covid-19 thoughts

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Sunday, May 10, 2020 10:10 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Sigs at it again. She argues nothing matters if it's not literally the worst thing happening or has happened. This style of argument is popular with sig who knows she is doing something wrong when applying it.

Sig is fully aware that she is covering up Trumps failures as she posts her attempts at fallacy of relative privation. Pointing to other unrelated disasters in an attempt to minimize Trumps Coronavirus response failures.

Crawl back under your rock sig. We've seen this from you a hundred times and more.


T


Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

I have absolutely no idea what you're posting about, and I don't think you know either.

OF COURSE we should be prepared! When I ask What is in America's interests one thing that I argue for, over and over and over and over, is ruggedness: the ability to survive unexpected bad fortune of ANY kind.

The problem is, lack of preparedness/fragility is a natural outgrowth of our economy and our finacialism: If you have a production economy which selects entities which make maximim profit, these are the entities that trim costs in ways that inevitably make the system fragile:

Production in large centralized facilities, which takes advantage of economies of scale to produce at the lowest cost. This leads to dependence on faraway plants that become inaccessible if they blow up/burn down/suffer an outage, or if supply lines are interrupted by natural or manmade disaster, as they are now. Have you tried to buy ANYthing that isn't food, lately? Screws, bolts, conduit, brackets, toilet paper, spray bottles ...? Much empty inventory because all made in China.

No inventory and just-in-time delivery. Sure, it saves on the cost of keeping parts on-hand but, once again, if your supply lines are interrupted your production is fucked.

No spare cash. The BANKS sure don't want you to be solvent- in their bookkeeping, your savings is their liability. (Yes, I know, it sounds backwards but that's how they look at things.) Banks are in the business of making money, NOT by helping you sve but by getting you to BORROW. What's worse is that they literally make that money upout of tin air (fractional reserve banking) so they get to charge real interest on money that make up out of nothing. Because banks are such powerful institutions they have turned us into a nation of debtors, not savers.

NATURE's resiliency is based on redundancy. NATURE, which has been time-tested thru millenia for both efficiency and resiliancy, has come up with a model that is more disaster-proof than ours. Our model only rewards efficiency, not resiliency, and is thus subject to many shocks large and small.


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Sunday, May 10, 2020 11:42 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:Have you tried to buy ANYthing that isn't food, lately? Screws, bolts, conduit, brackets, toilet paper, spray bottles ...? Much empty inventory because all made in China.


Oh, the horror! I just built 3 rolling planters from sh*t I had too much of. Old wood that should have been burned, repurposed. Who doesn't have too many screws, bolts and stuff laying around? If you have a house you have plenty of that stuff. At least, my neighbors and I do. What the heck are you building?? Rocket ship?

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
No inventory and just-in-time delivery. Sure, it saves on the cost of keeping parts on-hand but, once again, if your supply lines are interrupted your production is fucked.



You can't base supply lines on a 100 year pandemic, m'kay?

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
No spare cash. The BANKS sure don't want you to be solvent- in their bookkeeping, your savings is their liability. (Yes, I know, it sounds backwards but that's how they look at things.) Banks are in the business of making money, NOT by helping you sve but by getting you to BORROW. What's worse is that they literally make that money upout of tin air (fractional reserve banking) so they get to charge real interest on money that make up out of nothing. Because banks are such powerful institutions they have turned us into a nation of debtors, not savers.

NATURE's resiliency is based on redundancy. NATURE, which has been time-tested thru millenia for both efficiency and resiliancy, has come up with a model that is more disaster-proof than ours. Our model only rewards efficiency, not resiliency, and is thus subject to many shocks large and small.




Only the mighty SIG can save us!

It's so easy when you can just wave a magic wand.

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Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:57 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


For SURE our supply chain is effed up! ... and it's not just Signy saying it, many others are pointing out the same thing. Here's one example: "Special Report - China has near-total control of the world’s antibiotic supply. Is America at risk as a result?" https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/28/china-has-near-total-control-of-th
e-worlds-antibiotic-supply-is-america-at-risk-as-a-result
/

The same could be said about chip manufacture, rare earth mining and refining, electronics, textiles, steel etc ... and on the back end waste recycling.

I know I'm not comfortable thinking, for example, that if I were to need antibiotics for a life-threatening infection the supply might have been choked off by China. It seems like a no-brainer to me to want to bring control of critical processes back into the US. It would be in MY interest to see that happen! And it would be in YOUR interest, too. As Americans.



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Sunday, May 10, 2020 1:07 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.



Quote:

US Has 'Limited' Ability To Manufacture Coronavirus Treatments, Vaccines
Or PPEs, for that matter. Or fine chemicals. Or steel. Or plastic. Or housewares. Or just about anything that you base a modern economy on.

Quote:

A pharmaceutical company CEO says that while the United States may have the capability to deliver coronavirus treatments - if and when available - that the US has limited capacity to manufacture said treatments.

"Our distribution capabilities work. I'm not worried about that," said Leonard Schleifer, CEO of pharmaceutical company Regeneron, which is working on a coronavirus treatment. "Our manufacturing capacity, on the other hand...I think our capacity is limited," he added.



It's not only a 100=year pandemic to prepare for. There is a whole list of catastrophes and disasters, both natural and manmade, that can affect your standard of living.

One example, which I've brought up more than once, is THE factory in Japan that made THE plastic used in memories. When it burned down, manufacturing halted.

Aside from preparedness and robustness, there is the issue of "balance of trade". The USA gets to buy alottacrap because we have the world reserve currency. The same is not true for other nations... you don't get to endlessly buy without being able to exchange something of real value.

One of these days, our reserve currency status is going to end and other nations will refuse to accept the dollar as the worth less currency that it is. There is nothing backing the almighty dollar except our almighty gunboats.

And finally ... people have a need to ensure their survival thru some direct means. It is millenia of evolution behind it, which rewards us when we spot a shriveled twig that we know means a yummy tuber in the ground, or we've organized a hunt and finally brought down that monkey/deer that will feed us.

As SIX said, people need a purpose. They need agency over their future. One way to assure that agency is to make sure that there is valued, productive work to be done.



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Sunday, May 10, 2020 2:17 PM

BRENDA


Quebec is scaling back when to reopen. They have Canadian Armed Forces helping in at least 25 long care homes in that province.

So to has Ontario which is also thinking about scaling back.

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Sunday, May 10, 2020 3:09 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Hi Brenda! So Quebec and Ontario are scaling back. BC is still on track? How are the rest of the provinces doing? Do you know offhand?

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Sunday, May 10, 2020 4:36 PM

BRENDA


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Hi Brenda! So Quebec and Ontario are scaling back. BC is still on track? How are the rest of the provinces doing? Do you know offhand?



BC is still on track. As far as I know the rest of the provinces are on track to opening as well. New Brunswick was first then Prince Edward Island then Nova Scotia, Newfoundland. Then everything past Ontario. Not sure how much of a lockdown happened in the territories, so they should be okay.

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Sunday, May 10, 2020 4:39 PM

BRENDA


Gallup New Mexico is lifting a lockdown order though they are surrounded by 5 Navajo reservations. The Navajo have had to have help come in from Doctors without Borders. 2 teams.

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Monday, May 11, 2020 8:38 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quote:

US Has 'Limited' Ability To Manufacture Coronavirus Treatments, Vaccines
Or PPEs, for that matter. Or fine chemicals. Or steel. Or plastic. Or housewares. Or just about anything that you base a modern economy on.

Quote:

A pharmaceutical company CEO says that while the United States may have the capability to deliver coronavirus treatments - if and when available - that the US has limited capacity to manufacture said treatments.

"Our distribution capabilities work. I'm not worried about that," said Leonard Schleifer, CEO of pharmaceutical company Regeneron, which is working on a coronavirus treatment. "Our manufacturing capacity, on the other hand...I think our capacity is limited," he added.



It's not only a 100=year pandemic to prepare for. There is a whole list of catastrophes and disasters, both natural and manmade, that can affect your standard of living.

One example, which I've brought up more than once, is THE factory in Japan that made THE plastic used in memories. When it burned down, manufacturing halted.

Aside from preparedness and robustness, there is the issue of "balance of trade". The USA gets to buy alottacrap because we have the world reserve currency. The same is not true for other nations... you don't get to endlessly buy without being able to exchange something of real value.

One of these days, our reserve currency status is going to end and other nations will refuse to accept the dollar as the worth less currency that it is. There is nothing backing the almighty dollar except our almighty gunboats.

And finally ... people have a need to ensure their survival thru some direct means. It is millenia of evolution behind it, which rewards us when we spot a shriveled twig that we know means a yummy tuber in the ground, or we've organized a hunt and finally brought down that monkey/deer that will feed us.

As SIX said, people need a purpose. They need agency over their future. One way to assure that agency is to make sure that there is valued, productive work to be done.


Look - you have mostly really good but unworkable ideas. You're a bit like Trump thinking we can stick a light in our lungs to kill Covid. IF THAT WAS SUCH A GREAT, WORKABLE IDEA, then wouldn't someone(s) much smarter than Trump have already thought it up, and wouldn't we already have it? Great ideas are everywhere. On paper they are worthless.

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Monday, May 11, 2020 9:22 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Academic research from Imperial College in London, modeling the U.S. response, estimates that up to 90 percent of COVID-19 deaths could have been prevented had the U.S. moved to shut down by March 2nd. Instead, administration leaders dragged their feet for another two weeks, as the virus continued a silent, exponential assault. By early May, more than 75,000 Americans were dead.

www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/covid-19-test-trump-ad
min-failed-disaster-995930
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, May 11, 2020 9:33 AM

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Donald Trump said something Friday that should have ended his re-election prospects the moment it left his mouth:

“I feel about vaccines like I feel about tests. This is going to go away without a vaccine, it’s gonna go away, and we’re not going to see it again, hopefully.”

Trump asserts that coronavirus will fix itself. If you think about it, that actually makes some sense, because every other problem in his Trump’s life has.

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/05/09/trump-has-no-fixer-to-make-co
vid-19-go-away
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, May 11, 2020 11:18 AM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quote:

US Has 'Limited' Ability To Manufacture Coronavirus Treatments, Vaccines
Or PPEs, for that matter. Or fine chemicals. Or steel. Or plastic. Or housewares. Or just about anything that you base a modern economy on.

Quote:

A pharmaceutical company CEO says that while the United States may have the capability to deliver coronavirus treatments - if and when available - that the US has limited capacity to manufacture said treatments.

"Our distribution capabilities work. I'm not worried about that," said Leonard Schleifer, CEO of pharmaceutical company Regeneron, which is working on a coronavirus treatment. "Our manufacturing capacity, on the other hand...I think our capacity is limited," he added.



It's not only a 100=year pandemic to prepare for. There is a whole list of catastrophes and disasters, both natural and manmade, that can affect your standard of living.

One example, which I've brought up more than once, is THE factory in Japan that made THE plastic used in memories. When it burned down, manufacturing halted.

Aside from preparedness and robustness, there is the issue of "balance of trade". The USA gets to buy alottacrap because we have the world reserve currency. The same is not true for other nations... you don't get to endlessly buy without being able to exchange something of real value.

One of these days, our reserve currency status is going to end and other nations will refuse to accept the dollar as the worth less currency that it is. There is nothing backing the almighty dollar except our almighty gunboats.

And finally ... people have a need to ensure their survival thru some direct means. It is millenia of evolution behind it, which rewards us when we spot a shriveled twig that we know means a yummy tuber in the ground, or we've organized a hunt and finally brought down that monkey/deer that will feed us.

As SIX said, people need a purpose. They need agency over their future. One way to assure that agency is to make sure that there is valued, productive work to be done.


Look - you have mostly really good but unworkable ideas. You're a bit like Trump thinking we can stick a light in our lungs to kill Covid. IF THAT WAS SUCH A GREAT, WORKABLE IDEA, then wouldn't someone(s) much smarter than Trump have already thought it up, and wouldn't we already have it? Great ideas are everywhere. On paper they are worthless.



Unworkable ideas that do not lead to discovery are stupid ideas. A waste of time. We all have them. Sig more than most.

T


Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

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Monday, May 11, 2020 11:26 AM

THG


T

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Monday, May 11, 2020 11:31 AM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quote:

US Has 'Limited' Ability To Manufacture Coronavirus Treatments, Vaccines
Or PPEs, for that matter. Or fine chemicals. Or steel. Or plastic. Or housewares. Or just about anything that you base a modern economy on.

Quote:

A pharmaceutical company CEO says that while the United States may have the capability to deliver coronavirus treatments - if and when available - that the US has limited capacity to manufacture said treatments.

"Our distribution capabilities work. I'm not worried about that," said Leonard Schleifer, CEO of pharmaceutical company Regeneron, which is working on a coronavirus treatment. "Our manufacturing capacity, on the other hand...I think our capacity is limited," he added.



It's not only a 100=year pandemic to prepare for. There is a whole list of catastrophes and disasters, both natural and manmade, that can affect your standard of living.

One example, which I've brought up more than once, is THE factory in Japan that made THE plastic used in memories. When it burned down, manufacturing halted.

Aside from preparedness and robustness, there is the issue of "balance of trade". The USA gets to buy alottacrap because we have the world reserve currency. The same is not true for other nations... you don't get to endlessly buy without being able to exchange something of real value.

One of these days, our reserve currency status is going to end and other nations will refuse to accept the dollar as the worth less currency that it is. There is nothing backing the almighty dollar except our almighty gunboats.

And finally ... people have a need to ensure their survival thru some direct means. It is millenia of evolution behind it, which rewards us when we spot a shriveled twig that we know means a yummy tuber in the ground, or we've organized a hunt and finally brought down that monkey/deer that will feed us.

As SIX said, people need a purpose. They need agency over their future. One way to assure that agency is to make sure that there is valued, productive work to be done.


Look - you have mostly really good but unworkable ideas. You're a bit like Trump thinking we can stick a light in our lungs to kill Covid. IF THAT WAS SUCH A GREAT, WORKABLE IDEA, then wouldn't someone(s) much smarter than Trump have already thought it up, and wouldn't we already have it? Great ideas are everywhere. On paper they are worthless.



Unworkable ideas that do not lead to discovery are stupid ideas. A waste of time. We all have them. Sig more than most.

T



T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.



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Monday, May 11, 2020 4:38 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

CC: Look - you have mostly really good but unworkable ideas. You're a bit like Trump thinking we can stick a light in our lungs to kill Covid. IF THAT WAS SUCH A GREAT, WORKABLE IDEA, then wouldn't someone(s) much smarter than Trump have already thought it up, and wouldn't we already have it? Great ideas are everywhere. On paper they are worthless.


Where on god's green earth did you get the idea that things are "working" now???

It's not Covid-19. Covid-19 simply revealed just how moth-eaten our economy (and society) became. Not in the past 3 years, but in the past 50. I graduated into the job market when all of the steel mills were shutting down, back in 1976. That was just a harbinger of things to come.

THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT THIS SYSTEM IS REALLY "WORKING" FOR ARE THE LLYOD BLANKFEINS AND JAMIE DIMONS AND JEFF BEZOS. The system is tolerable for maybe the top 5%, but for everyone else, NOTHING is "working.

But the people in power, those for whom the system is "working", are making the decisions. And because the system is "working" ... for them ... they will decide to change NOTHING.





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Monday, May 11, 2020 9:08 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I guess what I'm saying is ... wake up and smell the coffee. Show some mental courage. Stop pretending that things are "working" or that this is all Trump's fault, or all because of Covid-19. and everything would be just fine without him/it. Occupy occurred three years into Obama's reign, remember? The Fed is the greatest driver of wealth inequality in the USA today.

If we're going to solve any of our big problems we have to ackowledge our deeper failings. It's not just Trump, or Democrats, or Republicans, or white men, or long-past slavery, or whatever teeny-tiny flaw you think is at fault.

The problem is structural. We may not be able to "do" anything about it, but we should at least have the courage to see things for what they are.




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Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:29 PM

SIGNYM

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Our financial markets, for over 30 years. See the kids chasing the bubbles? Those are our investors.



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Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:29 PM

BRENDA


Sat down and watched tonight Premier John Horgan and Dr. Bonnie Henry do a virtual townhall. They answered questions that were sent in from the public by email and video.

BC is on track as I said for careful reopening which includes parks as we have a long weekend coming up.

BC has for the third time since this all started logged a day of single digit cases. Only 7.

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Wednesday, May 13, 2020 5:59 AM

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Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:43 AM

THG


Putin's coronavirus crisis deepens with fatal hospital fire and spokesman's diagnosis

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-s-coronavirus-crisis-deepen
s-with-fatal-hospital-fire-and-spokesman-s-diagnosis/ar-BB13Xxpo?ocid=msedgntp


T

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Wednesday, May 13, 2020 9:33 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Some Covid-19 thoughts"

Reopening is a huge political gamble for Trump.

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Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:04 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
"Some Covid-19 thoughts"

Reopening is a huge political gamble for Trump.



I agree, but I don't think he understands the basics. Too soon and we have to take a step back and his word is forever damaged. CYA bye 4 more years. But he has only one speed and one direction.

More Covid-19 thoughts:

Cars:

- The few times I've been out driving it was weird, almost like I had to keep reminding myself that I was driving. It felt so unfamiliar - for obvious reasons. I've noticed that in other drivers as well. One guy ran into the middle of a busy intersection in front of me, against a red light, and had to slam on his brakes. Other people just driving sloppy and waaay too fast.

- I read of an uptick in drag racing because the streets are more empty. I was outside the other day and could hear some heavy duty engines revving and racing not far away. Have fun!

- There has to be a serious reduction in DUIs, which is great news. File under the bizarre label: "How Covid is Saving Lives"

- How COVID-19 Will Reshape Global Gas
https://www.csis.org/analysis/how-covid-19-will-reshape-global-gas

I know with ultra cheap gas this may not make sense, but I feel like now would be a good time to push electric transport even more. "The air is cleaner now, lets keep it that way..."

- More on how the Covid Lockdown is actually saving lives:
https://thehill.com/changing-america/resilience/smart-cities/490601-am
id-coronavirus-lockdowns-traffic-accidents-in


New study finds coronavirus lockdowns dramatically cut traffic accidents and fatalities
A study shows that both collisions and fatal accidents have fallen by approximately half in California since the lockdowns began

From 400 a day to 200 in CA.

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Thursday, May 14, 2020 8:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
"Some Covid-19 thoughts"

Reopening is a huge political gamble for Trump.

Not following through with any of these 7 ideas is a huge political gamble for Trump. But maybe not since most Voters can't be made aware of what is not being done. Most voters won't remember in November what could have been done but Trump refused to do. Trump certainly won't remind them:

Experts’ 7 best ideas on how to beat Covid-19 and save the economy

Multiple countries have suppressed the coronavirus and significantly curbed the rate of new infections. America’s leading biological and social scientists say there is plenty the US can do here, too.

1) Masks for all

Wearing masks is really important for reducing coronavirus transmission. A study by a team of five researchers out of Hong Kong and several European universities calculates that if 80 percent of a population can be persuaded to don masks, that would cut transmission levels to one-twelfth of what you’d have in a mask-less society. Widespread use of masks is likely part of the reason Japan’s coronavirus outbreak has been mild thus far, and grassroots mobilization starting with masks is almost universally seen as part of the Hong Kong success story.

For the broad population, the key fact is that while wearing a mask does little to protect the wearer from the risk of getting infected, it does a lot to prevent the risk that the wearer spreads the virus to other people. Consequently, an interdisciplinary Yale team featuring biologists, medical doctors, economists, and public health specialists calculates that “the benefits of each additional cloth mask worn by the public are conservatively in the $3,000-$6,000 range due to their impact in slowing the spread of the virus.” And the benefits of professional-grade masks for health care workers may be even higher.

The big problem is that, months into the crisis, the US continues to be afflicted by shortages of N95 respirators for medical personnel, never mind ordinary Americans. The situation has improved since early March, but not by nearly enough.

A huge barrier to increasing production of either kind of mask is that nobody knows how long high levels of demand will last. Prestige Ameritech, a Texas-based company and the largest American manufacturer of surgical masks in the United States, thought the surge in demand associated with the H1N1 flu pandemic in 2009 would be a godsend. But in a recent NPR interview, co-owner Michael Bowen recalls that efforts to scale up rapidly during that crisis nearly killed the company.

“We hired a lot of people and ramped up,” he told NPR’s Mary Louise Kelly. “And then we nearly went bankrupt afterward. We laid off 150 people and nearly went out of business. You know, it’s not like flipping on a switch. It’s building machines. It’s hiring people. It’s training people. That’s the issue.”

Caleb Watney from the R Street Institute and Alec Stapp from the Progressive Policy Institute suggest avoiding this situation with an idea that will recur several times on this list: The federal government should agree to pay above the pre-crisis market rate and guarantee that it will buy lots of masks and lots of respirators for an extended period. That gives business owners confidence to invest. The risk is that the country ends up “wasting” money on unneeded equipment if things end up going better than expected. But surplus equipment can be stockpiled so the US doesn’t get caught short in the next pandemic, or can be donated to lower-income countries that don’t have the financial capacity to engage in massive purchase guarantees.

6 more ideas at www.vox.com/2020/5/13/21248157/testing-quarantine-masks-stimulus

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, May 15, 2020 11:06 AM

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Entered my project into the NASA Tek Breefs contest:

https://contest.techbriefs.com/2020/ent ... ical/10256

Hopefully it will attract investorz befor everybody iz ded from the virus.

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Saturday, May 16, 2020 4:44 PM

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Provincial and Federal parks are open for limited use over this long weekend.

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Saturday, May 16, 2020 7:19 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Very nice! I hope you have a park nearby and good weather to go with it.

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Saturday, May 16, 2020 11:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Very nice! I hope you have a park nearby and good weather to go with it.



There is a small city one near me but alas the weather in BC. Not so nice. Wet all over the province with a risk of thunder storms.

But people will get out and use them. Enjoy a nice walk or whatever in the rain. Long weekend up here and Canadians just can't do without their parks.

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Sunday, May 17, 2020 3:02 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


You know me, I've always liked the rain. So I could imagine going out for a nice stroll in the park, and then coming home to a nice warm, dry place.

But I know your preference is to sunny and warm and perhaps beautiful blue skies.

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Sunday, May 17, 2020 3:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
You know me, I've always liked the rain. So I could imagine going out for a nice stroll in the park, and then coming home to a nice warm, dry place.

But I know your preference is to sunny and warm and perhaps beautiful blue skies.



Everybody's got their own thing.

But yes, I do. Will just have to wait a bit longer for more sunny days and blue skies. Spring in British Columbia.

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Sunday, May 17, 2020 8:11 AM

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First time I dipped into these Coomph threads for over a week. Between not reading here and not watching the news, I'm honestly surprised that this is still a thing, really.

Except for one hardware store chain that forces you to wear masks nationwide and the fact that you still can't get a haircut until next week, there's really not much evidence that people are even talking about it around here anymore.


Oh well... Got company now and I've got plenty more work to get to today. Maybe I'll post about my travails in the Garden Thread in a week or so. May has been super productive so far.

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Sunday, May 17, 2020 11:47 PM

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News for Covid-19 is still bad in Indian country. Navajo now have over 3,000 cases. Stricter lockdowns being put in place and curfews being extended. Amongst 5 reservations their population is only 175,000.

Hopi villages are closed to outside traffic and it is estimated that most tribes in New Mexico have covid-19 on them.

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Monday, May 18, 2020 7:55 AM

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In 2014, after the Ebola epidemic, the Obama administration realized the federal government was unprepared for pandemics, both natural and engineered. And so they built a new team into the National Security Council: the Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense. Beth Cameron was its first leader, and she explains that it was designed to ensure not just a constant focus on the threat, but a bureaucratic structure, and a set of interagency relationships, that were constantly being exercised so coordination could happen fast when speed was most needed.

“Having that in place is really important,” Cameron says, “because it’s in anticipation of a truly catastrophic or existential threat. It is the ability to detect it early. And then it’s the ability to respond efficiently and to practice that at all levels of government.”

That way, when the crisis does come, the government knows how to react, knows who needs to be in the meetings, knows where the power and authority and expertise lie. It can focus on responding to the threat rather than building the structure needed to respond to the threat.

The Trump administration dissolved that office in 2018 as part of John Bolton’s reorganization of the National Security Council. The leader of the team, Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer, was pushed out. The decision attracted criticism at the time, but the White House defended the call. “In a world of limited resources, you have to pick and choose,” one administration official told the Washington Post. The administration has never explained how or why it chose to deemphasize pandemic risk, nor which threats it decided to prioritize instead.

So neither Trump nor his administration was focused on Covid-19 in the early days, when it would have mattered most. “I think that it’s possible if we’d taken this threat more seriously in mid- to late January, that we could be in a situation where we are containing coronavirus as opposed to having to suppress it,” Cameron says.

I don’t want to overstate the consequence of that one decision: It is possible to imagine an administration that eliminated the office but remained focused, through other agencies or processes, on pandemic risk. But in this case, the dissolution of the office reflected the interests of the executive, and the evidence is everywhere. The administration responded exactly as you’d expect an administration that had shuttered its pandemic response operation to act — which is to say, it mostly did not act.

More at www.vox.com/2020/5/18/21251370/donald-trump-risk-coronavirus-2020-reel
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Tuesday, May 19, 2020 11:11 PM

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BC logged a record today. Only 2 new cases.

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Wednesday, May 20, 2020 11:31 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

COVID Is a Great Scapegoat for the Pre-Existing Collapse of a Rotten Economic 'System'
James Howard Kunstler 15 hours ago | 820 words 696 Comments

Western Civ’s most infamous encounter with pandemic disease, so far, was the big first wave of the Black Death that had a marathon run from 1346 to 1353. That bug was the real deal. It killed folks left and right, every age group, every social station, and it killed them ugly. Few who caught it survived. Up to half the population of Europe perished, along with a lot of their social and economic ways.

The cause of the Black Death was subject to every possible explanation except the actual one, Yersina pestis, a bacterium associated with rats and their insect parasites, fleas and lice, who also enjoyed an association with humans living in the generally squalid conditions of the day ­— the ancient Roman habit of bathing long forgotten. At the top of their list of causes was an angry God, and his wicked erstwhile subordinate, Satan. The “experts” of that time tended to cluster in the church hierarchy, with its drear obsessions and compulsions. The squishy boundary between the supernatural and reality loosed all manner of derangement. The Jews came in for much vilification, leading to massacres in Strasbourg, Mainz, and Cologne. On the whole, the episode represented a terrific humbling of humanity. The allegory of the Dance Macabre summed it up in mankind’s universal antic journey to the Palookaville of death.
A billionaires best friend, Fed Chairman Powell

On the plus side, as modern interpolators might say, the bubonic plague winnowed down Europe’s population to a scale more congenial with its resource base. After that big first wave of the disease, land was cheaper and human labor better rewarded. Eventually, more food got around. Incidentally, the plague provoked nostalgia for the classical antiquity of Greece and Rome, especially among the scholars of Florence, launching the extravaganzas of the Renaissance, the Enlightenment, and eventually our own pageant of techno-supremacist Modernity.

Covid-19 seems rather a punk-ass illness compared to the Black Death. Its victims by far are people already on a fast track to the last roundup. We know exactly what causes it, if not so exactly its origin, and yet the response among our experts has been far more ambiguous than those long-ago bishops of Christendom to the Great Plague. The various scientists, physicians, public health officers, and politicians seem, to the casual observer, about equally divided between those who consider the corona virus a grave threat and those who insist it’s hardly worse than any annual flu. What is one to believe? Or do?

Which brings us to the verge of the Great Opening-up. The current nostalgia for pre-Covid-19 business-as-usual is understandably intense. Gone especially from daily life are all the ceremonies of human togetherness, from gatherings of friends to the casual shoulder-rubbings of urban life to the crowded venues of the lively arts to the great moiling orgies of pro sports. The life of the perpetual jigsaw puzzle, YouTube, and Netflix has proved inadequate to human aspiration. Gone, too, are livelihoods, revenue streams, and rewarding roles in everyday existence. The itch to get out and do, get out and make, get out and be, is overwhelming.

Behind those plain yearnings, though, looms the specter of a system that appeared to be already foundering before Covid-19 entered the scene. There is, at least, considerable agreement that the disease catalyzed the disorders of finance and economy and accelerated the damage ­— just not among the people most responsible for engineering the fragilities that actually crashed things

Jerome Powell, Pope of the Church of the Federal Reserve, went on the 60-Minutes show last night to reassure the nation that things will eventually get back to normal. “I think you’ll see the economy recover steadily through the second half of this year.”

Yessir, if you say so. Were his fingers crossed? You couldn’t tell because the camera had him framed in a head-shot. Personally, I think the Fed Chairman was blowing smoke up the nation’s wazoo. Spooky as it’s been, the Covid-19 virus has also been a great cover-story for the natural collapse of a severally unbalanced, ecologically unsound, and dishonestly represented set of arrangements that are now unspooling at horrifying speed. The car industry is dying. The airline industry is laying out its fleet of big birds in desert graveyards. The college racketeering operation went off a cliff, along with medical profiteering. Agribusiness no longer has a business model. Hundreds of kinds of services no longer have customers who can afford their offerings from acupuncture to zymurgy. None of that will be fixed by injections of miracle money borrowed from ourselves in quantities that would turn every US citizen into a millionaire — if it wasn’t just pounded down the rat-holes of the stock and bond markets.

The big question about the Great Opening-up is when the recognition of all that turns to raw emotion. Covid-19 may still be with us then, but it will be the least of our problems. The masks will come off. The dance will commence.




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Thursday, May 21, 2020 5:34 AM

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Well...

You had to be wearing a mask in the first place in order to take a mask off.





Seriously. Where the hell is Marcos? He must be loving the world now that half of the world is wearing masks like he does.

Which one of you goons lost your password to your Marcos sockpuppet?

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Thursday, May 21, 2020 7:09 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


You didn't get the Danse Macabre reference.

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Thursday, May 21, 2020 3:40 PM

SIGNYM

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Will it be "business as usual" after Covid-19?

I HOPE NOT.

Unfortunately, all of the changes that I see are in the USA and the EU are in the wrong direction: Bailout of big banks, failures and buyouts of small businesses, greater consolidation of wealth.

What people don't understand is that, while there is all sorts of political strang und durm (storm and strife) about the Federal government creating (more of) a deficit to help out the "little folks", the Fed has quietly created more than trillion dollars to help out the big banks, big stocks, and big corporate bond issuers.

I think people STILL don't "get it". They think that "money" is something that the government prints and that the banks acquire when people "save". IN REALITY "money" is somthing that banks create out of thin air, like counterfeiting (but legal!) every time they create a loan.

Let me put it this way: When a bank gives you a $20,000 loan to buy a car, it doesn't rummage thru its vaults to see whether it has gotten $20,000 in deposits lately that is can lend to you.

NOT AT ALL.

It creates an account to (say) John Q Public, and grants John Q $20,000 by putting $20,000 into his ledger.

THAT'S IT!

What you and I might sweat and toil for over a year (or more), the bank just literally creates by putting electronic digits into an account. The reason why John Q Public, or anyone else for that matter, doesn't realize how thoroughly they're being robbed by banks (and other lending insitutions) is because the mind recoils over such obvious illogic. SURELY, people think, THERE MUST BE MORE TO IT THAN THAT!

Er, no, sorry folks, it's a stupid as it sounds.
And yet, it's the basis of our financial system!


What's worse, banks don't lend the Big Bucks at near-zero interst rates to consumers who want to buy a car or a frig, or to businesses which might fulfill that demand). NOPE! They lend to corporations for mergers and acquisitions, or to businesses that deal in hedge funds, or to stock or real estate speculators. So none of that made-up-money actually goes into the real economy of supply and demand, it goes into speculation.

Anyway, enuf of my rant. People are still getting screwed, with or without Covid-19.







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Friday, May 22, 2020 3:45 AM

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Schengen EuroZone Area is Finished?

Finland’s state epidemiologist says it would be a risk for his country to accept Swedish tourists
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/may/21/coronavirus-live-ne
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Friday, May 22, 2020 7:20 AM

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The religious roots of Trump's magical thinking on coronavirus

Trump's response to the pandemic seems contrary to reality. But long ago, his biographers say, Trump learned how to craft his own version of reality, a lesson he learned in an unlikely place: a church. It's called the "power of positive thinking," and Trump heard it from the master himself: the Rev. Norman Vincent Peale, a Manhattan pastor who became a self-help juggernaut, the Joel Osteen of the 1950s.

"He thought I was his greatest student of all time," Trump has said. Undoubtedly, the power of positive thinking has taken Trump a long way in the world. Trump has repeatedly credited Peale -- who died in 1993 -- and positive thinking with helping him through rough patches.

"I refused to be sucked into negative thinking on any level, even when the indications weren't great," Trump said of the early 1990s.

But during a global public health crisis there can be a negative side to positive thinking.

"Trump pretending that this pandemic will just go away is not just an unacceptable fantasy," said Christopher Lane, author of "Surge of Piety: Norman Vincent Peale and the Remaking of American Religious Life."

"It is in the realm of dangerous delusion."

"Attitudes are more important than facts," Peale preached, a virtual prophecy of our post-truth age. "Formulate and stamp indelibly on your mind a mental picture of yourself as succeeding," Peale writes in "The Power of Positive Thinking."

"Hold this picture tenaciously. Never permit it to fade."

"Positive thinking can help people focus on goals and affirm one's merits," said Lane, author of the book on Peale. "But it does need a reality check, and to be based in fact."

Sometimes, the reality is that you've failed and need to change course. But to Peale, that wasn't an option. Even self-doubt was a sin, he taught, an affront to God. "He had a huge problem with failure," Lane said. "He would berate people for even talking about it."

Peale's teachings can explain why Trump won't accept criticism.

You can hear echoes of Peale's no-fail philosophy in Trump's angry response to reporters' questions about his handling of the coronavirus pandemic, said Trump biographer Michael D'Antonio.

"Nothing is an exchange of ideas or discussion of facts," D'Antonio said. "Everything is a life or death struggle for the definition of reality. For him, being wrong feels like being obliterated."

More at www.cnn.com/2020/05/21/politics/trump-magical-thinking-peale-coronavir
us/index.html


How Norman Vincent Peale Taught Donald Trump to Worship Himself
www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/donald-trump-2016-norman-vince
nt-peale-213220

The magnate’s biographer explains the spiritual guide behind his relentless self-confidence.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, May 22, 2020 10:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Will it be "business as usual" after Covid-19?




Pretty much.

Remember all of those articles that were predicting the death of the American Suburbs shortly after 9/11 and the huge hike in oil prices? Not only did that never happen, but even with a manufactured panic over a virus that isn't even close to the end of the world that made life as we knew it grind temporarily to a halt and sees the national deficit go off the rails I can't see any scenario where that's going to happen in my life.

We've lived a lifetime of situations and scenarios that were supposedly going to be the "end of the world as we know it" now, and we always go back more or less to "normal".

There will be some minor adjustments to our daily lives but, for better or for worse, everything will pretty much go back to the status quo.



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Saturday, May 23, 2020 6:31 PM

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Retail slowly opening up in my area of where I live.

Actually ate in a restaurant about 3 times last week.

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Saturday, May 23, 2020 6:33 PM

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News is so-so for Ontario and Quebec. Their infection rates are still high but their death rates seem to be dropping.

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Sunday, May 24, 2020 1:47 AM

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Monday, May 25, 2020 6:35 AM

SIGNYM

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OMG that is too funny!!!

That was one of my favorite songs when I was young, and I was JUST listening to it a few days ago (along with To Sir With Love and other moldly oldies) and thinking about how times have changed! And they did a such nice job, too. Thanks for the laughs!

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Tuesday, May 26, 2020 3:45 AM

SIGNYM

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Ok,so SOME scientists are not putting the idea of a deliberately cultured virus out ofthe realm of possibility because SARS-Cov2 not only has an unusual insertion which makes the virus fuse easily with human cells (substituting arginine) but it has a much higher affinity for human ACE-2 sites than for any other possible animal host that they tested.

Also, BTW, the "gain of function" research was being done on a lab in N CAROLINA. The Chinese contributor to the paper merely supplied animal-sourced coronaviruses to the (American) lab that was doing the actual research.

So, bear with me while I take you on a woo-woo conspiracy theory. Keep in mind that this is pure speculation, but it DOES cause a number of puzzle pieces to fit together.

Anyone who has ever scanned the alt-news websites - Jim Willie, Michael Hudson, Max Keiser, and too many others to name - have been warning for YEARS that WWIII was pretty much a foregone conclusion.

Why?

Because debt at all levels and in all sectors was so high that it could NEVER be repaid. (I agree with that.) They have been saying that the system needs some sort of giant shock, and big distraction - like WWIII - in order to justify cranking up the bank's debt-creation machines to become the lenders and buyers of last resort, ultimate owners of the New world order. Either that, or there was going to have to be a -very unlikely -debt jubilee (Hudson), or a whole new currency would have to be created and the USD reserve currency scrapped (Willie). Take your pick; but whatever happened it was it was going to have to be big, HUGE, on par with the debt overhang.

Well, despite provocations by the deep state (Ukraine, Syria) and Trump's vey own foreign policy peeps (Bolt-on, Pompous) WWIII has not come about.

Hmmm.... what would fill the bill and justify a giant bank and stock market bailout even better than WWIII?

How about a world pandemic, and the shuttering of economies, leading to "stimulus" lending in which - somehow- 95% of the spending favored 0.1% of the people?

Sounds like a recipe for success! At least, if you happen to be a member of the elite financiers.

Do you suppose this virus and lockdown was the central banks' alternative to WWIII?





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Tuesday, May 26, 2020 7:38 AM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Personally, imo, there's just too much weird with SARS-COV-2 for it to be naturally evolved. Though there's always a possibility that it is, I just don't think so.

So, where does one point the finger. I entirely mistrust the media on this. Anyway, in the absence of hard data, the thing that makes me lean toward the US and away from China is how quiet the media is about any potential US participation. Any reporter doing their job should be able to get a list of public and private grants to coronavirus research in N. Carolina. And to me, the silence is deafening. The question isn't even being raised. It looks even more than that - it looks detoured. hushed up, suppressed. So that looks suspicious to me.

I think the next question I'd want answered is the genetic lineages of the various strains going around. I would like to see the geographic origins and spread. It's complex in the sense that it takes a lot of unraveling. But, as an example, if you have three strains, and one strain has alteration A, another has alterations AB, and another has alterations ABC, it's completely possible to figure out which came first, second, and third. If you can find out where the genetically first strain is located, you can find the geographic point of origin. I think where would go a long way to helping clear up the mystery of who. With extra research in the area, who would also help clear up when.

And that imo would go a long way to helping clear up the why.

Anyway, there does seem to be a dearth of hard evidence on a lot of these questions. So while I myself think it's genetically modified by people, maybe even in the US, I have no settled opinion on the rest.


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Tuesday, May 26, 2020 10:57 AM

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Quote:

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Ok,so SOME scientists are not putting the idea of a deliberately cultured virus out ofthe realm of possibility because SARS-Cov2 not only has an unusual insertion which makes the virus fuse easily with human cells (substituting arginine) but it has a much higher affinity for human ACE-2 sites than for any other possible animal host that they tested.

Also, BTW, the "gain of function" research was being done on a lab in N CAROLINA. The Chinese contributor to the paper merely supplied animal-sourced coronaviruses to the (American) lab that was doing the actual research.

So, bear with me while I take you on a woo-woo conspiracy theory. Keep in mind that this is pure speculation, but it DOES cause a number of puzzle pieces to fit together.

Anyone who has ever scanned the alt-news websites - Jim Willie, Michael Hudson, Max Keiser, and too many others to name - have been warning for YEARS that WWIII was pretty much a foregone conclusion.

Why?

Because debt at all levels and in all sectors was so high that it could NEVER be repaid. (I agree with that.) They have been saying that the system needs some sort of giant shock, and big distraction - like WWIII - in order to justify cranking up the bank's debt-creation machines to become the lenders and buyers of last resort, ultimate owners of the New world order. Either that, or there was going to have to be a -very unlikely -debt jubilee (Hudson), or a whole new currency would have to be created and the USD reserve currency scrapped (Willie). Take your pick; but whatever happened it was it was going to have to be big, HUGE, on par with the debt overhang.

Well, despite provocations by the deep state (Ukraine, Syria) and Trump's vey own foreign policy peeps (Bolt-on, Pompous) WWIII has not come about.

Hmmm.... what would fill the bill and justify a giant bank and stock market bailout even better than WWIII?

How about a world pandemic, and the shuttering of economies, leading to "stimulus" lending in which - somehow- 95% of the spending favored 0.1% of the people?

Sounds like a recipe for success! At least, if you happen to be a member of the elite financiers.

Do you suppose this virus and lockdown was the central banks' alternative to WWIII?




Nope. Who would unleash something as uncontrollable as a virus unless they had a vaccine already in the bag? Your conspiracy theory makes no sense. Plus, this is hurting the 1% and the people they prey on - making loans to people who go bankrupt... Plus, plus, it's just ridiculous idea as usual.

Keep trying though!

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Tuesday, May 26, 2020 11:08 AM

SIGNYM

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Not hurting the 0.01% tho. Jamie Dimon, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos. Zuckerberg, Carlos "slim" Huelga, Llyod Blankfein ... they are doing quite well! And as far as I know,none of them have gotten sick. Who says they don't have a vaccine already anyway? If they did, and this was their plan, do you think they'd tell YOU?

And look where all of the big bailout money is going! Is it going to you?
Me?

Nope! The Fed just printed THREE TRILLION dollars. Yanno, those trillions of dollars that somehow just can't be coughed up for something as inconsequential as healthcare, but magically appears whenever the big banks/stock markets/hedge funds start to swoon.

Cui bono?

BTW SIX, it's not that this is any sort of "fake" pandemic. Nations across the globe and of all economic persuasions ... nations which aren't in the Basel western banking club ... Russia, Iran, Venezuela (not sure if I can include China because it too blows economic bubbles) .... have also "locked down". It's possible that is the only logical and rational first response. All the better for the big western banks, since economic chaos and a blizzard of bailout money would be their goal. Now, if only Macron can get those ECB "Corona bonds" going ...

Anyway, like I said: Just a thought.

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Tuesday, May 26, 2020 11:17 AM

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My only question is why didn't they spread a much more deadly virus if this was some sort of Agenda 2030 thing?

Huge missed opportunity, IMO. They've already trashed the world economy for at least a decade. Why not lower the population by 25% at the same time instead of wiping out less people in a year than die from automobile accidents... most of whom were close to checking out anyhow.



I don't think this was intentional. At least, I don't think it being released was. It's very possible that it was still genetically modified by humans though, and was somehow let out prematurely (or despite no intentions to release it at all at any point).




I have to ask myself "who wins?" if this was all according to plan. China certainly didn't make any friends over this, and they're probably hurting more than we are financially. Both right now and in the forseeable future. The "elites" here? Again... why not wipe out a much larger portion of the world population and only take a half-measure that ensures nearly everyone stays alive but the economy gets tanked.



We've got 35 Million people in this country alone right now who have heard for months from politicians, scientists, the media and Karens worldwide that what they did for a living wasn't essential.

Why not just kill them all off if this was the plan?

Take a moment to empathize with any one of these 35 million people who have spent the last 60 or so days listening to everybody tell them that their existence is worthless.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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My only question is why didn't they spread a much more deadly virus if this was some sort of Agenda 2030 thing?

Huge missed opportunity, IMO. They've already trashed the world economy for at least a decade. Why not lower the population by 25% at the same time instead of wiping out less people in a year than die from automobile accidents

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.. most of whom were close to checking out anyhow.
Wrong.

But, good question: why not kill off a bunch of people? Maybe because if you kill off enough people, SOME wealth will concentrate among the sheeple, and the goal is to make the sheeple poor, not to make people dead?


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I don't think this was intentional. At least, I don't think it being released was. It's very possible that it was still genetically modified by humans though, and was somehow let out prematurely (or despite no intentions to release it at all at any point).
I'm not saying it was, either. Altho there is some speculation that the virus was developed here and sent (via international games held in China) to China via USA athletes. But I do have to ask: Cui bono?

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I have to ask myself "who wins?" if this was all according to plan. China certainly didn't make any friends over this, and they're probably hurting more than we are financially. Both right now and in the foreseeable future. The "elites" here? Again... why not wipe out a much larger portion of the world population and only take a half-measure that ensures nearly everyone stays alive but the economy gets tanked.
China doesn't win. As "factory tho the world" their real economy suffered more than ours (so far). "Fortress Russia" turned out not to be impregnable to a virus. many of the large, poor, disorganized nations ... India, Brazil, Bangladesh, Indonesia ... will take a big death toll hit. The only winner so far is The Fed because it has 'lent' many big banks ... including international ones ... an unimaginable amount of money and now has them in thrall. The EU central bank (ECB) so far has not been able to crank up digital money-creation because the nation backstopping such loans ... Germany... won't go along with it.


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We've got 35 Million people in this country alone right now who have heard for months from politicians, scientists, the media and Karens worldwide that what they did for a living wasn't essential.
It isn't. If you can drop out of the workforce and nobody goes hungry or naked or sick or unhoused, then what were you doing, exactly? Polishing doorknobs?

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Why not just kill them all off if this was the plan?
Why would the elite kill off a bunch of people? Has it not occurred to you that the elite want an entire WORLD full of desperately poor people who have no control over their future? Maybe their idea of heaven is billions of people in such miserable conditions that they're willing to do ANYthing ... sell their kidneys, their hearts, their babies ... to extend the lives of the elite. Yanno, their idea of heaven could be our idea of hell.

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Take a moment to empathize with any one of these 35 million people who have spent the last 60 or so days listening to everybody tell them that their existence is worthless.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

And here I am, telling them that they should get up off their asses, step away from whatever screen they're looking at, and MAKE themselves essential. Take back control of government and economic policy. Stop begging for "more of the same but worse" and start working towards something better.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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