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Wednesday, April 21, 2021 1:55 PM

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‘Bullhorn lady’ openly mocked a judge’s order to wear a mask in public. Then a judge found out
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/4/17/2026234/--Bullhorn-lady-ope
nly-mocked-a-judge-s-order-to-wear-a-mask-in-public-Then-a-judge-found-out?detail=emaildkreicymi


Dumb trumptard gets a taste of karma.



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Friday, April 23, 2021 2:13 PM

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Friday, April 23, 2021 4:07 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Corona denier Ted Nugent catches the Corona virus?

https://dissenter.com/discussion/begin?url=https://globalnews.ca/news/
7773675/ted-nugent-coronavirus-covid-19-denier/




How loaded is that statement? I don't know or care to know Nugent's thoughts on the issue.

I don't deny that the virus they call Covid-19 exists. It just hasn't directly killed a single person yet.

I'm going to bet that's Nugent's position too, and if that's the case and he ultimately doesn't die from it (which he won't) than this is a complete non story. But the media lies about everything and half the country is full of people who just love eating those shit sandwiches.



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Saturday, April 24, 2021 7:31 AM

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Ex-White House aide reveals 'inside story' of what happened when Trump claimed injecting disinfectant could cure COVID-19

Trump famously touted injecting disinfectant as a cure for COVID-19 during a press briefing. Olivia Troye, a former aide, said that the White House Coronavirus Task Force was "in shock."

The task force then had to discuss how to mitigate people actually ingesting bleach, Troye said.

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Saturday, April 24, 2021 7:33 AM

THG


Deaths

576,265

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Saturday, April 24, 2021 8:36 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
You need to go find another thread to troll.

Any further posts from you here will go ignored.

6ix, yesterday you wrote: "I don't deny that the virus they call Covid-19 exists. It just hasn't directly killed a single person yet."
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63571&mid=11317
47#1131747


6ix, if you truly believe Covid-19 hasn't "directly" killed a single person (not sure why you added the superfluous word "directly") then everything you have written about Covid-19 finally makes sense. Crazy sense, but logical. I can now see why you've been such a retard about Covid-19 and vaccines and passports for a year.
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

How loaded is that statement? I don't know or care to know Nugent's thoughts on the issue.

I don't deny that the virus they call Covid-19 exists. It just hasn't directly killed a single person yet.

I'm going to bet that's Nugent's position too, and if that's the case and he ultimately doesn't die from it (which he won't) than this is a complete non story. But the media lies about everything and half the country is full of people who just love eating those shit sandwiches.



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly




I've never once wavered from this point of view.

The fact that it comes as a surprise to you now is puzzling, since I know you actively seek out my posts everywhere.

"Directly" is not superfluous. These were all people who were about to die and Covid hastened their end game along.

CDC numbers will show that I was always right about this when they come out in a few years.

Much ado over nothing.

If they didn't make this last year happen, fake mail-in fraud election wouldn't have been possible and Trump would be president right now.






Keep your bullshit here. It will not be answered in my thread.

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Saturday, April 24, 2021 9:01 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

I've never once wavered from this point of view.

I had a conversation at work with a Trumptard on Friday about reality. It has always been clear to me that the mental models of reality Trumptards have in their minds are not well matched to physical reality. The conversation I had was about the meaning of the simple word "counterclockwise". The Trumptard actually broke equipment because he followed instructions but he turned a knob the wrong way. It turns out, amusingly to me, that this 20 year old Trumptard can't read an analog clock, which explains why the word "counterclockwise" confused him. Not to get too philosophical, but I don't think 6ix, who is smart, has a correct mental model of Covid-19 just as this other Trumptard didn't have a correct mental model of clocks. Both Covid-19 and clocks reinforce my belief that Trumptards, deep down inside, are fundamentally silly.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, April 24, 2021 9:12 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

I've never once wavered from this point of view.

I had a conversation at work with a Trumptard on Friday about reality.



Don't care. I wholly reject your version of reality.



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Saturday, April 24, 2021 9:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Don't care. I wholly reject your version of reality.

Reality confuses Trumptards because it doesn't align closely with their understanding, which is why they have difficulty staying in the middle class. Trumptards are children who never matured, although all of 'em in Texas see themselves as responsible, adult, and dependable. So laughable to watch an overgrown child, with gray hair or balding, going through the motions, and failing, at being a grownup.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, April 24, 2021 9:30 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Yeah. Heard it already... Whatever.

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Monday, April 26, 2021 9:20 AM

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Monday, April 26, 2021 9:21 AM

THG


Deaths

577,224

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Monday, April 26, 2021 10:45 AM

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People on the ground say the official numbers are far higher that the government is saying. This is very sad, horrifying.


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Monday, April 26, 2021 9:28 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Deaths

577,224



Nope.

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Tuesday, April 27, 2021 10:35 AM

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Medical vs Environmental Deaths

The first thought experiment considers causes of death of two different kinds, and at first glance it may appear to be an entirely outrageous question to ask:

If the 1.8 million deaths globally attributed to the SARS-CoV2 coronavirus in 2020 required and continue to require extreme measures, why do the 1.4 million global road fatalities every year not require anything but tiny incremental actions? What principle of action warrants immediate extreme action with significant unpredictable side effects in the case of (say) lockdowns, but no action at all in the case of the most deadly environmental health risks? Or to put this another way, why do medical causes of death utterly overshadow environmental health causes of death? Should they? If so, what principle is it that informs us that environmental causes of death don’t matter, while medical causes of death require action, even in cases with severe health (and mental health) consequences?

Lung cancer could be substituted for the novel coronavirus, as it causes 2 million deaths annually and this prompts a variety of interventions in most nations; air pollution could be substituted for cars; it contributes to the deaths of some 7 million people... although cars are, of course, a major contributor to this.

More at https://onlyagame.typepad.com/only_a_game/2021/04/which-deaths-matter.
html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, April 27, 2021 10:48 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Medical vs Environmental Deaths

The first thought experiment considers causes of death of two different kinds, and at first glance it may appear to be an entirely outrageous question to ask:

If the 1.8 million deaths globally attributed to the SARS-CoV2 coronavirus in 2020 required and continue to require extreme measures, why do the 1.4 million global road fatalities every year not require anything but tiny incremental actions? What principle of action warrants immediate extreme action with significant unpredictable side effects in the case of (say) lockdowns, but no action at all in the case of the most deadly environmental health risks? Or to put this another way, why do medical causes of death utterly overshadow environmental health causes of death? Should they? If so, what principle is it that informs us that environmental causes of death don’t matter, while medical causes of death require action, even in cases with severe health (and mental health) consequences?

Lung cancer could be substituted for the novel coronavirus, as it causes 2 million deaths annually and this prompts a variety of interventions in most nations; air pollution could be substituted for cars; it contributes to the deaths of some 7 million people... although cars are, of course, a major contributor to this.

More at https://onlyagame.typepad.com/only_a_game/2021/04/which-deaths-matter.
html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/04/18/understand-dangers-cov
id-passports-simply-imagine-obesity-equivalent
/

Quote:

To understand the dangers of Covid passports, simply imagine an obesity equivalent

Being overweight is a public health epidemic, so why is it that we don't restrict the freedoms and choices of the obese?



Second just wants to make everything illegal, or at least let Democrats do what Democrats do best and tax behavior they don't like out of existence.

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Tuesday, April 27, 2021 11:35 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Second just wants to make everything illegal, or at least let Democrats do what Democrats do best and tax behavior they don't like out of existence.

I vote Democrat because I'm a Consequentialist.
www.google.com/search?q=consequentialist

No Trumptards that I know and less than half of Democrats think in a cool-headed manner about consequences. Most wealthy people who didn't inherit money (Trump inherited a billion) clearly think ahead everyday about the consequences of what they do.

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Tuesday, April 27, 2021 3:39 PM

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Covid-19 appears perfectly engineered to destroy the houses of sand built by populist leaders. Narendra Modi poured scorn on experts and scientists who warned his country faced a "tsunami" of infection. Now the Indian Prime Minister is being harshly criticized for premature triumphalism amid a terrible surge that has people dying in the streets. Former US President Donald Trump's denialism appears to have cost tens of thousands of lives. Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro fueled a disaster by rejecting Covid-19 countermeasures in favor of crank cures. UK PM Boris Johnson paid a heavy personal and political price for ignoring the threat of the pandemic early on.

The pandemic is guaranteed to expose leaders who undermine truth, create alternative realities, ostracize experts and scientists and refuse to take precautions to keep the public safe. Earlier this month for instance, Modi boasted of huge rally crowds ahead of elections in West Bengal. His hubris in the face of the virus recalls Trump's refusal to give up rallies last year at which he boasted the virus was being driven out -- even as his crowds contributed to a building wave of lethal infections that winter.

www.cnn.com/2021/04/26/world/meanwhile-in-america-populism/index.html


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Tuesday, April 27, 2021 7:42 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


You vote Democrat because you're an authoritarian fascist.

The other people who vote Democrat are either exactly like you, or they are stupid.

There is no third option.



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Tuesday, April 27, 2021 8:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
You vote Democrat because you're an authoritarian fascist.

The other people who vote Democrat are either exactly like you, or they are stupid.

There is no third option.

Sorry, I'm a much worse person than that. I don't fit the description of authoritarian fascist. I prefer to think of myself as Jayne, if he had fought in the Unification War for Alliance, lost, gone to college, got married, started a business. But I'm probably more like Badger -- a low life businessman with roots in the community. I don't soar the level of Adelai Niska. That guy is a 26th Century NAZI. He is probably meant to symbolize an authoritarian fascist who tortures Space Jews/Gypsies to death, for profit.
https://firefly.fandom.com/wiki/Adelai_Niska

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Tuesday, April 27, 2021 8:05 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
You vote Democrat because you're an authoritarian fascist.

The other people who vote Democrat are either exactly like you, or they are stupid.

There is no third option.

Sorry, I'm a much worse person than that.



I believe that.

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Tuesday, April 27, 2021 8:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:

Sorry, I'm a much worse person than that.


I believe that.

Indeed a pleasant change from you calling me a liar.

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Tuesday, April 27, 2021 8:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
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Sorry, I'm a much worse person than that.


I believe that.

Indeed a pleasant change from you calling me a liar.




Maybe you've finally grown tired of lying all the time?

That's nice.



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Wednesday, April 28, 2021 1:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second: He is probably meant to symbolize an authoritarian fascist who tortures Space Jews/Gypsies to death, for profit.


I think it wuz clear that he did it for fun. The profit he made wuz frum the biz, but it enabled hiz hobby by providing the power & excuse.

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Wednesday, April 28, 2021 6:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:

Covid-19 appears perfectly engineered to destroy the houses of sand built by populist leaders. Narendra Modi poured scorn on experts and scientists who warned his country faced a "tsunami" of infection. Now the Indian Prime Minister is being harshly criticized for premature triumphalism amid a terrible surge that has people dying in the streets. Former US President Donald Trump's denialism appears to have cost tens of thousands of lives. Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro fueled a disaster by rejecting Covid-19 countermeasures in favor of crank cures. UK PM Boris Johnson paid a heavy personal and political price for ignoring the threat of the pandemic early on.

The pandemic is guaranteed to expose leaders who undermine truth, create alternative realities, ostracize experts and scientists and refuse to take precautions to keep the public safe. Earlier this month for instance, Modi boasted of huge rally crowds ahead of elections in West Bengal. His hubris in the face of the virus recalls Trump's refusal to give up rallies last year at which he boasted the virus was being driven out -- even as his crowds contributed to a building wave of lethal infections that winter.

www.cnn.com/2021/04/26/world/meanwhile-in-america-populism/index.html


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Good post two

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Wednesday, April 28, 2021 6:34 AM

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U.S. Aims to Shape New Phase of WHO-Led Probe Into Origin of Covid-19

The U.S. is moving to assert greater influence over a scientific investigation led by the World Health Organization into the origins of Covid-19, with plans to submit recommendations to the agency for a new phase of studies.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/u-s-aims-to-shape-new-phase-of-who-l
ed-probe-into-origin-of-covid-19/ar-BB1g7cI8?ocid=msedgntp



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Wednesday, April 28, 2021 7:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Quote:

Originally posted by second: He is probably meant to symbolize an authoritarian fascist who tortures Space Jews/Gypsies to death, for profit.


I think it wuz clear that he did it for fun. The profit he made wuz frum the biz, but it enabled hiz hobby by providing the power & excuse.

"Now for you, my reputation is not from gossip… my reputation is fact. Is solid." - Adelai Niska

I think Niska tortures/kills to maintain his fierce reputation. If he was gentle, instead, his employees and contractors, such as the crew of Serenity, would steal from him, cutting into his profits. Niska didn't include in his calculations the cost of retaliation when he goes too far at maintaining his reputation. If Niska had been more magnanimous, by releasing Mal and Wash rather than just Wash, Niska could have avoided some unnecessary expenses and deaths.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, April 29, 2021 6:47 AM

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The crazy fringe discussions?



'Fake Covid Vaccine card'?
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/fake-covid-vaccine-card/9
6119438/page-2
/


Famous Indian singer dies of Covid after efforts to secure ventilator fail. For flat earthers who still believe Covid is fake.
https://poal.co/s/News/353640
Poal.co is described as 'A free speech based link and comment aggregation platform'.
Poal dot co for the crazy
The site Poal: Say what you want.
Poal its like miserable Botshithole reddit but only worse, it seems to have Conspiracy community, an America First community, Nationalist community, Anti-Vax community, Q-Anon community, a tinfoil headed UFO community and other fringe groups that reddit banned rolled into one giant big mess
the sites https://tildes.net/ , https://lobste.rs/ seems similar but less crazy


“Vaccidents” now wrecking roadways with stroked-out vaccine takers who lose brain function behind the wheel
http://www.lunaticoutpost.com/thread-244487.html


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Thursday, April 29, 2021 7:01 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Quote:

Originally posted by second: He is probably meant to symbolize an authoritarian fascist who tortures Space Jews/Gypsies to death, for profit.


I think it wuz clear that he did it for fun. The profit he made wuz frum the biz, but it enabled hiz hobby by providing the power & excuse.

"Now for you, my reputation is not from gossip… my reputation is fact. Is solid." - Adelai Niska

I think Niska tortures/kills to maintain his fierce reputation. If he was gentle, instead, his employees and contractors, such as the crew of Serenity, would steal from him, cutting into his profits. Niska didn't include in his calculations the cost of retaliation when he goes too far at maintaining his reputation. If Niska had been more magnanimous, by releasing Mal and Wash rather than just Wash, Niska could have avoided some unnecessary expenses and deaths.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



Deaths

579,162


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Thursday, April 29, 2021 7:10 AM

THG


U.S. Tells Citizens to Leave India as Covid Crisis Deepens

(Bloomberg) -- The U.S. told its citizens to get out of India as soon as possible as the country’s Covid-19 crisis worsens at an astonishing pace.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/u-s-tells-citizens-to-leave-india
-as-covid-crisis-deepens/ar-BB1ga78S?ocid=msedgntp


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Thursday, April 29, 2021 9:14 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:

Deaths

579,162




Nope.

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Thursday, April 29, 2021 11:38 PM

JO753

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
U.S. Tells Citizens to Leave India as Covid Crisis Deepens



Not that they will be safe here. The advise shoud be get out uv India and go to New Zealand or Australia.

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A sorta mile marker wuz passed today.

The United States iz no longer ahed uv the next 2 nationz combined in infectionz or fatalityz.

For most uv the pandemic, we were ahed uv the next 3, 4, 5 and maybe 6 nationz combined, but with Brazil and now India picking up their pase drasticly, it looks like it's numericly impossible for us to ever regain such a big lead. We just don't hav the population.

At the current pase, Brazil will pass us in fatalityz in 2 or 3 months. India'z infection rate iz akselerating so it coud overtake us in a few months on both measurez.

This iz going by the official numberz, wich are sertainly far below the actual numberz.

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Smeed’s Law defines the number of deaths that we find psychologically tolerable. Obviously, Covid-19 has exceeded tolerable limits, which are different for each country, in almost every country.

Reuben Smeed had a fatalistic view of traffic accidents. He collected statistics on traffic deaths from many countries, all the way back to the invention of the automobile. He found that under an enormous range of conditions, the number of deaths in a country per year is given by a simple formula: number of deaths equals .0003 times the two-thirds power of the number of people times the one-third power of the number of cars. This formula is known as Smeed’s Law. He published it in 1949, and it is still valid. It is, of course, not exact, but it holds within a factor of two for almost all countries at almost all times. It is remarkable that the number of deaths does not depend strongly on the size of the country, the quality of the roads, the rules and regulations governing traffic, or the safety equipment installed in cars. Smeed interpreted his law as a law of human nature. The number of deaths is determined mainly by psychological factors that are independent of material circumstances. People will drive recklessly until the number of deaths reaches the maximum they can tolerate. When the number exceeds that limit, they drive more carefully. Smeed’s Law merely defines the number of deaths that we find psychologically tolerable.

www.technologyreview.com/2006/11/01/227625/a-failure-of-intelligence/

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Friday, April 30, 2021 9:45 AM

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Half as many people die every single year from Tuberculosis as the fake Covid numbers claim to have taken in more than the last 12 months, and TB and its complications are the single cause of death that aren't just "borrowing" from other death pools.

Smeed's law says that Americans don't give a single shit about that one because only about 500 of those deaths happen here.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Half as many people die every single year from Tuberculosis as the fake Covid numbers claim to have taken in more than the last 12 months, and TB and its complications are the single cause of death that aren't just "borrowing" from other death pools.

Smeed's law says that Americans don't give a single shit about that one because only about 500 of those deaths happen here.

I find how people think moronic AND amoral, especially about the subject of death. There is a direct connection to the moronic AND amoral thinking about building H-bombs to kill everybody on Earth a hundred times, but that is a subject for another thread. From the same MIT article about bombing Germany during WWII:

The British mostly supported Sir Arthur’s ruthless bombing of cities, not because they believed that it was militarily necessary, but because they felt it was teaching German civilians a good lesson. This time, the German civilians were finally feeling the pain of war on their own skins.

I remember arguing about the morality of city bombing with the wife of a senior air force officer, after we heard the results of the Dresden attack. She was a well-educated and intelligent woman who worked part-time for the ORS. I asked her whether she really believed that it was right to kill German women and babies in large numbers at that late stage of the War. She answered, “Oh yes. It is good to kill the babies especially. I am not thinking of this war but of the next one, 20 years from now. The next time the Germans start a war and we have to fight them, those babies will be the soldiers.” After fighting Germans for ten years, four in the first war and six in the second, we had become almost as bloody-minded as Sir Arthur.

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w.com/2006/11/01/227625/a-failure-of-intelligence
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Saturday, May 1, 2021 8:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
I find how people think moronic AND amoral, especially about the subject of death.



I agree on the moronic part. A moron is a moron is a moron.

Morals, however, are subjective in many cases.

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Saturday, May 1, 2021 9:00 AM

THG


Pfizer developing COVID-19 treatment


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Saturday, May 1, 2021 9:02 AM

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Deaths

581,523

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Saturday, May 1, 2021 9:37 AM

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Biden set to ban most travel to U.S. from India to limit COVID-19 spread
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-biden-set-ban-most-travel-u
s-india-limit-covid-19-spread-2021-04-30
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numbers?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_by_country_and_territo
ry#Cases_and_deaths_by_region


,

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

,

Brazil, South African: A Virologist Describes Each COVID Variant
https://robologiclab.com/the-uk-brazilian-south-african-a-virologist-d
escribes-each-covid-variant
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India's daily COVID-19 cases pass 400,000 for first time as second wave worsens
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/india-posts-record-daily-ri
se-covid-19-cases-401993-2021-05-01/?taid=608cfffb12d1d50001237714&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter



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Saturday, May 1, 2021 10:08 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Deaths

581,523



Nope.

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Saturday, May 1, 2021 10:15 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
I find how people think moronic AND amoral, especially about the subject of death.



I agree on the moronic part. A moron is a moron is a moron.

Morals, however, are subjective in many cases.

Let me point you to part of that quote: "It is good to kill the babies especially. I am not thinking of this war but of the next one, 20 years from now. The next time the Germans start a war and we have to fight them, those babies will be the soldiers.” The UK has NOT been at war with Germany since 1945, so it was completely amoral to kill babies in preparation for a war that didn't happen.

Derek Parfit put a bullet into the brain of people who mindlessly chirp "Morals, however, are subjective in many cases." Mammals and most every human will only have subjective feelings to guide them (and their subjectivity sure as hell shows in how ineffectively they live, work and die) but if you are a tiny bit smarter than a house cat or more mindful than the average person, you will have Parfit to show you that what feels right isn't notably right.
https://libgen.unblockit.onl/search.php?req=Derek+Parfit
Quote:

Like my cat, I often simply do what I want to do. I am then not using an ability that only persons have. We know that there are reasons for acting, and that some reasons are better or stronger than others. One of the main subjects of this book is a set of questions about what we have reason to do. I shall discuss several theories. Some of these are moral theories, others are theories about rationality.
-- Derek Parfit from the Introduction to Reasons and Persons.


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Saturday, May 1, 2021 10:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
I find how people think moronic AND amoral, especially about the subject of death.



I agree on the moronic part. A moron is a moron is a moron.

Morals, however, are subjective in many cases.

Let me point you to part of that quote: "It is good to kill the babies especially. I am not thinking of this war but of the next one, 20 years from now. The next time the Germans start a war and we have to fight them, those babies will be the soldiers.” The UK has NOT been at war with Germany since 1945, so it was completely amoral to kill babies in preparation for a war that didn't happen.

Derek Parfit put a bullet into the brain of people who mindlessly chirp "Morals, however, are subjective in many cases." Mammals and most every human will only have subjective feelings to guide them (and their subjectivity sure as hell shows in how ineffectively they live, work and die) but if you are a tiny bit smarter than a house cat or more mindful than the average person, you will have Parfit to show you that what feels right isn't notably right.
https://libgen.unblockit.onl/search.php?req=Derek+Parfit
Quote:

Like my cat, I often simply do what I want to do. I am then not using an ability that only persons have. We know that there are reasons for acting, and that some reasons are better or stronger than others. One of the main subjects of this book is a set of questions about what we have reason to do. I shall discuss several theories. Some of these are moral theories, others are theories about rationality.
-- Derek Parfit from the Introduction to Reasons and Persons.


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Don't talk to me about that when you're fine with your state forcibly injecting everyone with god knows what, including all the kids.

I find your morals to be repulsive.

It's subjective.

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Saturday, May 1, 2021 10:58 AM

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Don't talk to me about that when you're fine with your state forcibly injecting everyone with god knows what, including all the kids.

I find your morals to be repulsive.

It's subjective.

You "feel" it is repulsive. Derek Parfit, by mentioning cats do what they want made me remember when I was a child I heard the phrase "morals of an alley cat." Alley cats are solely guided by their "feelings". I knew as a child that alley cats were fearful, suspicious, secretive and often angry creatures, but I didn't think much of parental wisdom. When I went to war, and later in engineering construction and business, I found that most people I dealt with were being guided all day long by the "morals of an alley cat". Disillusioning experience about most people. The sad and funny part was those people couldn't rise for more than minutes at time above the level of alley cats -- fearful, suspicious, secretive and often angry -- but they keep telling me their low behavior was the absolute pentacle of morality. No, they were no better than alley cats and it showed.

It is too much trouble for Biden to capture and vaccinate all the alley cats of America. He won't try that. Imagine the caterwauling from Trumptards if he did. Trumptards are already making angry noises about what won't happen.

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Europe (and the US) Have a COVID-19 Mortality Rate 14x Higher Than Asia

This is the result of both a higher case rate (8x higher) and a higher case mortality rate (70% higher). We still don't have a good explanation for what's going on. There is, obviously, something very, very different going on in Asia, and I doubt that better quarantine and masking rules can truly account for a 14x difference.

https://jabberwocking.com/europe-and-the-us-have-a-covid-19-mortality-
rate-14x-higher-than-asia
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Saturday, May 1, 2021 3:23 PM

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The media in Europe and the States were totally obsessed with Trump, Biden and Brexit that's all they talked about and if you look at the mud slinging in the political threads on firefly that's mostly what happened here.

The focus should have been on the virus instead the focus was about what Trump or Biden said and the media were constantly talking Brexit deals or no deals to leave the EU. In East Europe I believe due to their history they have a very skeptical view on Government and are anti-Restrictions because they remember Communism and the older generation does not fondly remember their past experience with a Soviet governments. Parts of South America are rising, I believe Mexico and Brazil numbers are not good one part of South America can look good and then you get a sudden hot spot in Bolivia for example, I also believe the borders in these countries can be fluid, cross border movement and black market trade happens and borders on South American maps lack security.
Aus might be one of the Western countries that got things right.

Asia and the Pacific region seems to have done well perhaps due to an experience with SARs and MERs, I believe some of these countries are less democratically free so can respond with more restriction and military style response during a pandemic. Australia and NZ got praise but its possible Aussie lockdowns while good for stopping a virus they might have hurt mental health and hurt jobs. It's reported that sunshine and UV radiation can help kill COVID-19 maybe this is helping African nations, also in some African nations they have many others risks and diseases and civil wars to worry about, life expectancy is lower so compared to the West covid might not be such a big killer.
The situation is still fluid with new mutations and evolution of the virus showing up, Japan and India have yet to fully report in, I believe thanks to Olympic sports ceremony numbers are rising again in Japan
Perhaps 3,000 to 4,000 are dying in India now, some blame the rise due to India festivals and political elites doing their election stuff in each city and town. Right now I believe India has +390,000 new cases.
The USA has the most who defeated Covid 25 Million survivors although they might live with their own complications after the virus.


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Saturday, May 1, 2021 6:04 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Quote:

Derek Parfit put a bullet into the brain of people who mindlessly chirp "Morals, however, are subjective in many cases." Mammals and most every human will only have subjective feelings to guide them (and their subjectivity sure as hell shows in how ineffectively they live, work and die) but if you are a tiny bit smarter than a house cat or more mindful than the average person, you will have Parfit to show you that what feels right isn't notably right.
Morals are preferences and by their very nature are entirely subjective. Some people even call them 'values' - ie we really really prefer, or 'value', one behavior over another - which only highlights their subjective nature even further. There are no objective morals. Because every moral can be questioned with 'why'. And every 'why' answer is a feeling of preference.

Even the theoretical Vulcan value "the greatest good for the greatest number" begs the question 'What is good?'. Some might consider life to be the greatest good. Others might consider meaningful sacrifice to be the greatest good. Greeks and Romans thought bravery in the face of death being meted out by fate was the greatest good.



And btw, your rejection of others' moral failings doesn't seem to have kept you from being an even bigger moral failure (and hypocrite). For example, even as you claim to abhor the mendacity of republicans, you come here and lie with every post. So what does that make you? A better republicans than the rank and file republicans?

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Saturday, May 1, 2021 6:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Don't talk to me about that when you're fine with your state forcibly injecting everyone with god knows what, including all the kids.

I find your morals to be repulsive.

It's subjective.

You "feel" it is repulsive.



Yes. Exactly.

Thank you for making my point.



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Saturday, May 1, 2021 11:09 PM

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Oh. And I agree with Kiki's perspective on the issue.

It's easy to sit in judgment on your high horse Tweeting what people should and shouldn't be doing all day long like the idiots do, but every single one of them lack the empathy gene and have never once tried walking a mile in somebody else's shoes.

"Let he who is free from sin cast the first stone."

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Sunday, May 2, 2021 9:57 AM

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GOP doctors in Congress are targeting vaccine hesitancy with a video that says the shot will help 'end the government's restrictions on our freedoms'

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-doctors-in-congress-are-ta
rgeting-vaccine-hesitancy-with-a-video-that-says-the-shot-will-help-end-the-government-s-restrictions-on-our-freedoms/ar-BB1gguSr?ocid=msedgntp



Too funny. Now it's get the shot but not because it will save your ass. It's obvious they need a way to explain how come they and their loved ones got the shot while telling everyone else there was no need to. Yep, too funny...

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Sunday, May 2, 2021 10:06 AM

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I wonder if those here who dispute the death toll in American due to the virus, would care to post at least once proof it's wrong, with their source of course, and what they believe the correct number is?

Do they have the balls to expose themselves further as being morons, easily duped by fake news and trolls?

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