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Wednesday, June 15, 2022 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Those 330,000 people died of something else.

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The healthcare system could have saved $459 billion in 2020 per National Academy of Sciences. https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2200536119

But $459 billion was lost because every Republican lawmaker is opposed to the savings.

Here is what other countries pay per person per year for healthcare:

1. United States ($10,586)
2. Switzerland ($7,317)
3. Norway ($6,187)
4. Germany ($5,986)
5. Sweden ($5,447)
6. Austria ($5,395)
7. Denmark ($5,299)
8. Netherlands ($5,288)
9. Luxembourg ($5,070)
10. Australia ($5,005)

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/health-care-costs-b
y-country


15. Canada Money spent on public health: $3,382 per capita
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/04/11/countries-that-spend-t
he-most-on-public-health/39307147
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The United States pays more than any other country because of Republican lawmakers.

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Wednesday, June 15, 2022 1:57 PM

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A federal appeals court on Monday upheld the dismissal of a lawsuit challenging Houston Methodist’s COVID-19 vaccine mandate, which last year thrust the hospital into the national spotlight as the first healthcare system in the U.S. to require the shots for its employees.

The lawsuit, filed on behalf of 117 Houston Methodist employees who refused to abide by the policy, was dismissed in June 2021 by U.S. District Judge Lynn Hughes, who at the time decried arguments comparing the requirement to those made under Nazi Germany.

In its opinion, the U.S. Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals said it affirmed the original ruling “because plaintiffs do not demonstrate any error in the district court’s judgment on the arguments made in that court but instead make an entirely new argument on appeal.” -- https://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/unpub/21/21-20311.0.pdf

The plaintiffs’ attorney, Jared Woodfill, said “this battle is far from over.”

“We believe employment should not be conditioned on your willingness to take an experimental shot,” he said in an email to the Chronicle. “During oral argument, the court indicated that one way to potentially address this case of first impression is to take it back to state court. We will pursue every legal avenue available to our clients, including taking this case to the United States Supreme Court.”

Woodfill added that a “companion case” has been filed in Harris County, though records of that lawsuit could not be found by press time.

Houston Methodist announced its mandate April 1, requiring employees to be fully vaccinated with a one- or two-dose series or request a medical or religious exemption. Protests ensued among a small group of hospital workers. Those who did not receive a vaccine or a religious exemption were first suspended and eventually fired.

In the end, 153 employees out of roughly 25,000 in the hospital system were either terminated or resigned. Many Texas Medical Center institutions have since implemented their own mandates.

Jennifer Bridges, a former nurse at Houston Methodist Baytown Hospital, was among the most vocal opponents of the mandate and the lead plaintiff in the federal lawsuit. She previously described the plaintiffs as “a mix of those who want more trial data to emerge on the long-term effects of the vaccine before taking it, and those who simply don’t want any shots,” according to earlier reports.

The lawsuit brought three separate claims of wrongful termination, alleging violations of state and federal law. In their appeal, the plaintiffs “pivoted” from focusing on the federal law violations to state law, the appeals court notes in its opinion.

The plaintiffs “now even equivocate on whether federal law supports their claim,” according to the opinion. “Federal law does not, and the district court did not err in dismissing plaintiffs’ claim.”

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Fe
deral-appeals-court-affirms-dismissal-of-17241835.php


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Wednesday, June 15, 2022 6:00 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Those 330,000 people died of something else.

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The healthcare system could have saved $459 billion in 2020 per National Academy of Sciences.



That's an entirely different argument. One that I might not be so quick to argue with you about.

Stop being ingenuous.

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The United States pays more than any other country because of Republican lawmakers.



Bullshit. Period.

Think of all the awful things that the Democrats have managed to do in the last year and a half without Republican support, and how many times they've found legal loopholes to get around the fact they don't have a filibuster proof majority.

Then think about how they failed to raise the minimum wage or do a fucking thing about healthcare.

You will have a long time to think about that, since it is the last time you're ever going to see Democrats in power in your lifetime.

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Thursday, June 16, 2022 7:10 AM

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Politicians don’t want to talk about Covid-19 anymore. But it’s still influencing voters.

The pandemic is still having enormous, if subtle, influence on American politics. Inflation — a crisis that began with supply-chain and workforce issues caused by Covid-19 and was likely amplified by some aspects of the US relief legislation — is the No. 1 issue for US voters right now. Murders and drug overdose deaths began rising during the pandemic, souring the public’s mood on the country’s future and presaging a difficult campaign for the party in power.

“It’s been so extensive that you just don’t notice it,” John Gasper, an economics professor at Carnegie Mellon University who has studied the effect of prior natural disasters on political behavior, said. “People are sick of blaming Covid for a lot of things. Politicians don’t want to keep talking about Covid.”

Much of the Republicans’ voter base has been skeptical of Covid-19’s significance for a while, giving their candidates little reason to focus on it.

The exception is the hard-right candidates who oppose public health interventions to slow down the pandemic. Certain Republicans continue to make clear their opposition to mask or vaccine mandates and other measures, even though those restrictions have been lifted almost everywhere.

That bizarre reality — in which the pandemic that killed 1 million people is being most effectively politicized by the people who opposed the response to it — reflects the unusual nature of Covid-19 as a political event. It started as something akin to a natural disaster: disruptive, but not something that sticks in voters’ memory. But, unlike most hurricanes or tornados, the pandemic wasn’t over within a relatively short time. It lasted years — long enough to evolve into a political wedge issue that candidates use to stir up their most strident supporters.

“Covid has transformed from a disaster to ... fodder or kindling for the ongoing culture war,” Gasper said. “It’s one more thing to stoke the fire in order to feed your base.”

Even though Trump himself tried to counter vaccine skepticism, many of his favored candidates have continued to run very publicly on their opposition to not only vaccine mandates but to getting vaccinated at all.

It fits into the general themes of distrusting experts and institutions that have been a hallmark of Republican campaigns for a long time now, most notably during Trump’s rise to the presidency. Those with anti-establishment attitudes attack health experts.

Republicans politicians placed themselves in opposition to health experts as a way of indicating they are on the side of their own voters -- angry poor white trash, who are about 100 million out of a population of 330 million. 75 million voted for Trump.

More at https://www.vox.com/coronavirus-covid19/2022/6/16/23167365/covid-19-20
22-us-midterm-elections-vaccines-masks


Wealth inequality in the United States
6ix, stop insisting you are wise & thrifty when you are really only poor. Start looking at the people who vote for Trump as they truly are: angry poor white trash, some with guns so that they don't feel like complete nothings, but rather powerful and free, like Mal and Zoe and Jayne. Predictably, their life on Serenity was one struggle after another.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_United_States


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Thursday, June 16, 2022 8:36 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


That whole story is a lie if they're going to continue to lie to you and tell you Covid killed a million people.

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Thursday, June 16, 2022 11:25 AM

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That whole story is a lie if they're going to continue to lie to you and tell you Covid killed a million people.

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My sister, the nurse who works at https://www.stlukeshealth.org says 6ix's signature "false in one thing, false in everything" describes 6ix. It is you who is the liar, 6ix. Alternate hypothesis? You're insane like the Joker.

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Thursday, June 16, 2022 1:14 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
That whole story is a lie if they're going to continue to lie to you and tell you Covid killed a million people.

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My sister, the nurse who works at https://www.stlukeshealth.org says 6ix's signature "false in one thing, false in everything" describes 6ix. It is you who is the liar, 6ix. Alternate hypothesis? You're insane like the Joker.

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You don't have a sister either, Arthur.

You should really reevaluate calling other people insane with that post history of yours that I have archived.



If you ever want to see something really insane, just ask and I'll post all the things that you've deleted over the years.

We won't even have to dip into your banned Reaverfan persona to get to the good stuff.



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Tuesday, June 21, 2022 8:37 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


So who's already signed up their babies to be sacrificed at the altar of Pfizer?



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Monday, June 27, 2022 7:58 PM

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COVID is far from solved. The coronavirus is still mutating. Even at one of the lowest death rates of the pandemic, it still claims the lives of hundreds of Americans daily, killing more than twice as many people as die, on average, in car accidents.

“Take it from a tuberculosis activist that you can lose political will, public attention, and scientific momentum and still have a disease that kills over a million people each year,” said Mike Frick of the Treatment Action Group. “We’re seeing the TB-ification of COVID start.” https://www.who.int/news/item/14-10-2021-tuberculosis-deaths-rise-for-
the-first-time-in-more-than-a-decade-due-to-the-covid-19-pandemic


The entire health-care system is now perpetually overburdened and unable to provide its former standard of care. People are still being disabled by long COVID, often without ever landing in the hospital.

Local officials, community organizers, and grassroots groups are swimming furiously against the tide of governmental apathy to push some pandemic response forward, even if incrementally. The late Paul Farmer, who devoted his life to providing health care to the world’s poorest people, understood that when doing such work, victories would be hard-won, if ever won at all. Referencing a line from The Lord of the Rings, he once said, “I have fought the long defeat.” In the third year of the COVID pandemic, that fight will determine how America fares against the variants and viruses still to come.

In a study of 177 countries, people’s level of trust — in the government and especially in one another — predicted COVID infection rates and vaccine uptake. In America, trust is in short supply, and accordingly, the country has underperformed throughout the pandemic despite its considerable resources. This problem is getting worse: A poll from January found that only 44 percent of respondents trusted the CDC’s statements on COVID, down from 55 percent in 2020.

As the pandemic has revealed, even powerful biomedical tools such as vaccines sputter in practice if disadvantaged people can’t access them, or if distrusting people refuse to use them. America’s recurring mistake is to create such technofixes at warp speed, while neglecting the systems that actually deploy those tools.

America actually has an entire workforce that specializes in earning trust: community health workers. They’re hired for their empathy, their strong local ties, and their personal experience with hardship. Breanna Burke, a community health worker in Bristol, Tennessee, where she has lived since she was 3, told me that her job is to “get to the root cause of ongoing health issues,” with the understanding that a person’s circumstances constrain their choices. For example, she helped one of her diabetic clients plan a budget to keep their power on so they could keep their insulin cold; another time, she figured out that a patient whose pain wouldn’t stop had been sleeping on a hardwood floor for nine months, and contacted a local women’s club to raise money for a mattress.

When COVID hit, Burke provided people with emergency food supplies so they could weather quarantine in safety, and talked others through their hesitancy over getting vaccinated. She can do that because her nonjudgmental approach and shared life experience make her trustworthy — the secret to community health workers’ extraordinary effectiveness.

More at https://web.archive.org/web/20220627184401/https://www.theatlantic.com
/health/archive/2022/06/pandemic-protections/661378
/

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Monday, June 27, 2022 8:40 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Then go wear a mask and get a fifth booster, you little bitch.

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Thursday, June 30, 2022 9:00 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


COVID undermined students’ well-being more than we thought

https://thehill.com/opinion/education/3536180-covid-undermined-student
s-well-being-more-than-we-thought
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CORRECTION: COVID undermined students' well-being more than YOU thought

You think it's bad now? Just wait another 6 to 12 years once we've collected all of the data from the couple of billion lab rats that our governments delivered to Pfizer on a silver platter.

And do remember that you have no ability to sue anyone when things go south.

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Sunday, July 3, 2022 5:02 PM

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“No measures, no lockdown locally,” says Greece’s Health Minister

https://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2022/06/29/no-measures-no-lockdown-l
ocally-greece-coronavirus
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USA 62,661,000+
India 35,875,790
Brazil 22,558,695

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries


428,000 + Americans have died from COVID-19 since President Joe Biden took office and promised to "shut down the virus."
https://freebeacon.com/coronavirus/biden-covid-death-tracker/]



Now its

USA 89,527,000 +
India 43,513,117
Brazil 32,476,920

and

608,887 Americans have died from COVID-19 since President Joe Biden took office. He promised the American people he would "shut down the virus." (Fact check: He has not.)

Australia: 'Increasing pressure' nationally to return to masks amid worsening COVID wave
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-02/mask-mandate-national-cho-covid
-coronavirus-restrictions/100013842


COVID was twice as deadly in poorer countries
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01767-z

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Sunday, July 3, 2022 6:34 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


That number is the one thing I'll defend Joe* on.

All of those Covid deaths under Biden*'s watch are just as much bullshit as the ones under Trump's were.

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Thursday, July 7, 2022 1:09 PM

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Monday, July 11, 2022 1:37 PM

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Yes, this does mention Covid-19, but points out Covid-19 was less a threat than obesity. There is no vaccine for obesity, by the way.

Opinion: This is now the No. 1 preventable cause of Alzheimer’s in America

Published: July 11, 2022 at 11:23 a.m. ET

By Brett Arends

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-is-now-the-no-1-preventable-cau
se-of-alzheimers-in-america-11657553007


Here is yet more bleak news about the obesity epidemic: Obesity isn’t just killing millions of people. It’s giving lots of them Alzheimer’s first.

“Obesity is now the top modifiable dementia risk factor in the U.S.,” reports the Journal of the American Medical Association in its latest bulletin. Obesity in midlife is now leading to more cases of dementia than any of the other usual suspects, including depression, smoking, diabetes, high blood pressure, physical inactivity, or low levels of education. About a third of dementia cases in America are now associated with some combination of these factors, with midlife obesity, physical inactivity and low education levels leading the way. According to the medical study, midlife obesity was a contributing factor to some 18% or just under 1 in 5 cases of dementia in America.

A decade ago obesity wasn’t even in the top three.

But why should we be surprised? Nearly half of all Americans are now clinically obese. The percentage has risen by a third in a generation, while the rate of severe obesity has more than doubled.

The comedian Bill Maher spoke out about the subject three years ago, and the main result was a “social media backlash”… against Bill Maher. Go here to watch a licensed therapist tell people that if they are trying to lose weight they are giving in to “fatphobia.”

In the years before I quit alcohol and cigarettes, statistically zero people ever told me not to give in to smokephobia or boozephobia. Not one.

Is it true that obesity kills 325,000 Americans a year?

Nope. That official figure is more than 20 years out of date.

Since then, based on data from the U.S. Census and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the number of adult Americans with obesity has risen by about 70% and the number with severe obesity by 140%.

So simple math says the death toll is now probably around 500,000 every year, which is more than the annual Covid deaths in 2020 and 2021.

Now compare the extraordinary and heroic national measures taken over the last two years to combat Covid with the mass passivity about obesity.


Obesity now kills more Americans than smoking, says the Cleveland Clinic.

On average it wipes about 15 years off your life, according to this medical study from 2021.

The annual cost to America is an estimated $173 billion.

News that obesity also helps cause dementia has further grim news on the economic front as well as the human one. Some 6 million Americans already have dementia and the numbers are rising steadily as more people age. Dementia is a vicious and cruel disease that is especially devastating to family members, but also imposes a severe burden on everyone around the victim.

The cost to the economy of dementia is nearing $300 billion a year, including the terrible toll the disease takes on families and carers.

You’d think we’d be tackling this for the thing it is: The No. 1 health crisis in America — worse than drugs and worse than Covid. You’d think we’d be tackling a food industry that pushes edible crack. You’d think we’d be teaching kids about better and simpler nutrition in schools. You’d think we would, at the very least, stop subsidizing unhealthy food through the SNAP program. You’d think we wouldn’t be trying to stop people talking about the subject honestly.

You’d think.

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Monday, July 11, 2022 8:08 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Stop eating shit food all day long and get off your fat ass.

If you can't do either of those things, than tough titty. Nobody cares.



But at least Second is recognizing that it is a problem. All you hear from Millennial and Zoomer Leftists is that there's nothing wrong with being a fat piece of shit.

Not only that, but they will attack celebrities like Adelle and Rebel Wilson on Twitter who decided to work on themselves and get healthy.

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Monday, July 11, 2022 10:07 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Stop eating shit food all day long and get off your fat ass.

If you can't do either of those things, than tough titty. Nobody cares.



But at least Second is recognizing that it is a problem. All you hear from Millennial and Zoomer Leftists is that there's nothing wrong with being a fat piece of shit.

Not only that, but they will attack celebrities like Adelle and Rebel Wilson on Twitter who decided to work on themselves and get healthy.

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Take these two little factoid from the article:

1. Obesity now kills more Americans than smoking, says the Cleveland Clinic.
https://newsroom.clevelandclinic.org/2017/04/22/cleveland-clinic-study
-finds-obesity-top-cause-preventable-life-years-lost
/

2. On average it wipes about 15 years off your life, according to this medical study from 2021.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s42399-021-00850-2

Until you are dead, you don't know that you lost 15 years, therefore you can claim you have done nothing wrong. What is the result? People get fat, die young, and never have to acknowledge they were wrong. The ignoramuses don't know while alive, can't know once dead. Nature will let you die with a high opinion, yet undeserved, about yourself. On the other hand, Science will tell you the blunt truth so that you can avoid an early death, but it will cost you your high opinion about yourself and how beautiful you are when fat.

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Monday, July 11, 2022 10:41 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Hey... All I know is I've never seen a smoker of any age hate on somebody else for quitting smoking.

I mean literal hate.

The kids aren't alright.



The same Potbelly Vampire Goblins that tell them that fat is beautiful and gave us fat Victoria's Secret models and put the hot chicks on the sidelines are the same people who are running Disney and Netflix into the ground, are trying to convince your 2nd grade kids to get sex changes and are to thank for all the crime we've got today.

Glad there's at least one place you draw the line in the sand.

Maybe you start calling them out for their dumb bullshit and I might lean Democrat again one day.



Meanwhile, I'd advise you to stay off Twitter... They'll eat you alive now, ya no good dirty Fatphobe.

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Tuesday, July 12, 2022 7:10 AM

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6ix, here are 3 predictions, and remember that hundreds of millions of Americans never heard the predictions or would say the predictions are FALSE, and therefore those Americans won't change what they do:

1. Obesity now kills more Americans than smoking, says the Cleveland Clinic.
https://newsroom.clevelandclinic.org/2017/04/22/cleveland-clinic-study
-finds-obesity-top-cause-preventable-life-years-lost
/

2. On average obesity wipes about 15 years off your life, according to this medical study from 2021.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s42399-021-00850-2

3. Between 160 million and 214 million people in the United States could be infected over the course of the epidemic, according to a projection that encompasses the range of the four scenarios. That could last months or even over a year, with infections concentrated in shorter periods, staggered across time in different communities, experts said. As many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die. 2.4 million to 21 million people in the United States could require hospitalization, potentially crushing the nation’s medical system, which has only about 925,000 staffed hospital beds. Fewer than a tenth of those are for people who are critically ill.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/us/coronavirus-deaths-estimate.html

Prediction: 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die
Actual: 1,015,070 die

Prediction: 2.4 million to 21 million people hospitalized
Actual: 4,906,251 hospitalized
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.h
tml


Those hundreds of millions of Americans who either never heard or disbelieve the predictions can feel good about not-knowing/not-caring by saying smoking/obesity/covid won't kill them, therefor why go to all the bother of knowing/caring? As a practical matter it is impossible for the dead to acknowledge what they didn't want to know while alive about why they suffered. What about getting the living to acknowledge how they caused their own suffering while they still suffer? Almost as impossible.

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Tuesday, July 12, 2022 12:12 PM

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Deaths in the USA so far

1,020,861




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Thursday, July 21, 2022 8:13 AM

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Deaths in the USA so far

1,020,861






LIE.

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Thursday, July 21, 2022 8:16 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


WSJ: Why the Rush for Toddler Vaccines?

Covid was clearly a health emergency for adults in 2020. By contrast, the urgency now feels political.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-the-rush-for-toddler-vaccines-covid-p
andemic-children-fda-pfizer-moderna-medicine-evidence-11656951993



Only now, it feels political... you stupid fucks.

If anything goes wrong with those kids, that blood is on your hands.

Archived link: https://archive.ph/9AWJO

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Friday, July 22, 2022 7:38 AM

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America was in an early-death crisis long before Covid

Ed Yong writes:

Jacob Bor has been thinking about a parallel universe. He envisions a world in which America has health on par with that of other wealthy nations, and is not an embarrassing outlier that, despite spending more on health care than any other country, has shorter life spans, higher rates of chronic disease and maternal mortality, and fewer doctors per capita than its peers. Bor, an epidemiologist at Boston University School of Public Health, imagines the people who are still alive in that other world but who died in ours. He calls such people “missing Americans.” And he calculates that in 2021 alone, there were 1.1 million of them.

Bor and his colleagues arrived at that number by using data from an international mortality database and the CDC. For every year from 1933 to 2021, they compared America’s mortality rates with the average of Canada, Japan, and 16 Western European nations (adjusting for age and population). They showed that from the 1980s onward, the U.S. started falling behind its peers. By 2019, the number of missing Americans had grown to 626,000. After COVID arrived, that statistic ballooned even further—to 992,000 in 2020, and to 1.1 million in 2021. Were the U.S. “just average compared to other wealthy countries, not even the best performer, fully a third of all deaths last year would have been prevented,” Bor told me. That includes half of all deaths among working-age adults. “Think of two people you might know under 65 who died last year: One of them might still be alive,” he said. “It raises the hairs on the back of my neck.”



These counterfactuals puncture two common myths about America’s pandemic experience: that the U.S. was just one unremarkable victim of a crisis that spared no nation and that COVID disrupted a status quo that was strong and worth restoring wholesale. In fact, as one expert predicted in March 2020, the U.S. had the worst outbreak in the industrialized world—not just because of what the Trump and Biden administrations did, but also because of the country’s rotten rootstock. COVID simply did more of what life in America has excelled at for decades: killing Americans in unusually large numbers, and at unusually young ages. “I don’t think people in the United States actually have any awareness of just how poorly we do as a country at letting people live to old age,” Elizabeth Wrigley-Field, a sociologist at the University of Minnesota, told me.

Someone might reasonably ask: What’s the big deal if I die at 76 versus 78? But in fact, life expectancy is falling behind other wealthy nations in large part because a lot of Americans are dying very young—in their 40s and 50s, rather than their 70s and 80s. The country is experiencing what Bor and his colleagues call “a crisis of early death”—a long-simmering tragedy that COVID took to a furious boil.

In every country, the coronavirus wrought greater damage upon the bodies of the elderly than the young. But this well-known trend hides a less obvious one: During the pandemic, half of the U.S.’s excess deaths—the missing Americans—were under 65 years old. Even though working-age Americans were less likely to die of COVID than older Americans, they fared considerably worse than similarly aged people in other countries.

Continue at https://web.archive.org/web/20220721144330/https://www.theatlantic.com
/health/archive/2022/07/us-life-span-mortality-rates/670591
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Friday, July 22, 2022 8:21 AM

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Joe Biden* just another of those in the ever-growing list of examples of the only people getting Covid being the ones who were vaccinated.

How you feeling, mudblood?

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Friday, July 22, 2022 8:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Joe Biden* just another of those in the ever-growing list of examples of the only people getting Covid being the ones who were vaccinated.

How you feeling, mudblood?

I quoted an entire article that uses statistics to prove that about a million Americans die unnecessarily per year. The article didn't go on to explain why, because that information is not in the statistics but I would guess the dead people died because they don't trust doctors and they don't have the money to pay if they did. The money angle has been solved in other countries, but not in the USA, which has the most expensive medical system on Earth. It is Republican Senators filibustering all political solutions to the expensive medical system.

The most expensive health care system in the world
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/the-most-expensive-
health-care-system-in-the-world
/

If your purpose was to make the most money, then having high prices makes perfect sense. If your purpose was to have a healthy population, then the highest prices in the world makes no sense.

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Friday, July 22, 2022 9:03 AM

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A lot of youth straight up murdered themselves when they weren't overdosing on drugs after your party ruined their lives for 2 years over a virus that doesn't kill anybody.

99% of the gun violence in this country is minority on minority violence in Democrat ran shit holes.

That doesn't help your statistics.

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Friday, July 22, 2022 9:29 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
A lot of youth straight up murdered themselves when they weren't overdosing on drugs after your party ruined their lives for 2 years over a virus that doesn't kill anybody.

99% of the gun violence in this country is minority on minority violence in Democrat ran shit holes.

That doesn't help your statistics.

Where I am from, nothing shutdown for the virus. The office buildings in downtown Houston were mostly empty, but the paper work still got done by working from home.

I wonder where you got your statistics? Where I am from it is poor white trash killing other poor white trash. It is poor white trash overdosing themselves. It is poor white trash refusing to go to the doctor. It is poor white trash getting fired from construction jobs because of drunkenness and incompetence. It is me doing the firing. Poor white trash voting for Trump, too!

If anybody desperately needs to fix themselves, it is poor white trash, especially the ones that keep saying they are doing great when I see they have no idea what great means or how to behave properly.

I have told you this several times, but in case you disbelieve, my relatives (excluding my sisters and their children) are all poor white trash who voted for Trump. Their lives are total car wrecks (divorce, unemployment, drunkenness, out-of-wedlock births, bankruptcy, evictions, car crashes, gluttony, burglary, embezzlement, you name a sin and one of my relatives could be used as an example.) They never have any shame and never behave themselves with understanding of how to get into the upper middle class. You should hear the freaky conversations my Trumptard relatives have about overthrowing the Democrats. My people are amusingly demented about Trump, the 2020 election, and dangerous because they are armed and stupid.

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Friday, July 22, 2022 8:00 PM

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Heard it already. Don't care.

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Wednesday, July 27, 2022 8:38 AM

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https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cdc-vaers-covid-vaccine-sa
fety
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If even a single kid dies from the Covid vaccine, the entire CDC should be brought up on murder charges.

The parents of any children who die from the Covid shots should be brought up on manslaughter charges as well.

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Saturday, August 13, 2022 2:29 PM

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Saturday, August 27, 2022 8:57 AM

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Dystopia ends?


Coronavirus - COVID-19 - Eurotunnel Le Shuttle
https://www.eurotunnel.com/uk/travelling-with-us/latest/covid-19

23/08/2022 · COVID-19 Travel Requirements.

All passengers travelling to France or the UK no longer need to present proof of a Covid vaccination, recovery or negative test certificate

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Saturday, August 27, 2022 9:17 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Dystopia ends?



Hardly.

They just want to be able to identify people when the theft and murder skyrocket this winter.

They can't get people to willingly stop wearing the masks when they're still terrorized by their government into thinking they'll die if they step outside without wearing one.


I still see a lot of people wearing them around here and it's been over a year since the government was trying to tell you that you had to through unconstitutional executive order by the corrupt Governor.

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Monday, August 29, 2022 12:40 PM

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In less than two weeks, you could walk out of a pharmacy with a next-generation COVID booster in your arm. Just a few days ago, the Biden administration indicated that the first updated COVID-19 vaccines would be available shortly after Labor Day to Americans 12 and older who have already had their primary series. Unlike the shots the U.S. has now, the new doses from Pfizer and Moderna will be bivalent, which means they’ll contain genetic material based both on the ancestral strain of the coronavirus and on two newer Omicron subvariants that are circulating in the U.S.

A Simple Rule for Planning Your Fall Booster Shot
https://web.archive.org/web/20220829054736/https://www.theatlantic.com
/health/archive/2022/08/fall-covid-vaccine-new-booster-shot-omicron/671265
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Monday, August 29, 2022 12:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
In less than two weeks, you could walk out of a pharmacy with a next-generation COVID booster in your arm. Just a few days ago, the Biden administration indicated that the first updated COVID-19 vaccines would be available shortly after Labor Day to Americans 12 and older who have already had their primary series. Unlike the shots the U.S. has now, the new doses from Pfizer and Moderna will be bivalent, which means they’ll contain genetic material based both on the ancestral strain of the coronavirus and on two newer Omicron subvariants that are circulating in the U.S.

A Simple Rule for Planning Your Fall Booster Shot
https://web.archive.org/web/20220829054736/https://www.theatlantic.com
/health/archive/2022/08/fall-covid-vaccine-new-booster-shot-omicron/671265
/

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Already beat you to that, mudblood.

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65249

I hope your heart doesn't explode.



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Wednesday, August 31, 2022 9:08 AM

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After a historic drop in 2020, life expectancy in the United States took another significant hit in 2021.

According to provisional data published Wednesday by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, life expectancy at birth dropped by nearly a year between 2020 and 2021 -- and by more than two and a half years overall since the start of the Covid-19 pandemic.
Life expectancy at birth fell to 76.1 years, the lowest it has been in the US since 1996, and the biggest 2-year decline in a century.

Covid-19 was the driving factor, with deaths from the virus contributing to half of the decline from 2020 to 2021, according to the report from the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics.

The death rate from Covid-19 was higher in 2021 than it was in 2020, so it wasn't particularly surprising that life expectancy would fall again, Bob Anderson, chief mortality statistician for the CDC, told CNN.

Also, drug overdose deaths reached a record high in 2021, killing about 109,000 people. And deaths from unintentional injuries -- about half of which are due to drug overdose -- was the second-leading cause of the decline in life expectancy. . . . "We have the science and the tools available to help us reverse this trend and reduce the number of overdose deaths in this country. But these tools are not being used effectively."

An 'astounding' decline

The recent decline among American Indian and Alaska Native people is particularly "astounding," Anderson said.

The life expectancy for this group plunged by nearly 2 years between 2020 and 2021 and a startling 6.6 years since 2019 -- more than twice as much as it did for the total US population.

At 65.2 years, the life expectancy for American Indians in 2021 was equal to the overall US life expectancy in 1944.

"When I saw that, in the report, I just -- my jaw dropped," Anderson said.
"It was hard enough to fathom a 2.7 year decline over 2 years overall. But then to see a 6.6 year decline for the American Indian population -- it just shows the substantial impact that the pandemic has had on that population."

Deaths from Covid-19 directly were the leading contributor to the decline in life expectancy among American Indian people in 2021, but deaths due to drug overdose and other unintentional injuries, as well as chronic liver disease, which is often caused by alcohol abuse, were nearly equal contributors for this group.

A separate study, published as a preprint in June, ( https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.04.05.22273393v4 ) found that the decrease in life expectancy in the US over the course of the pandemic was "highly racialized" and substantially larger than it was for a set of comparable countries. In fact, that study found that life expectancy increased slightly between 2020 and 2021 for the set of 21 peer countries.

In the first year of the Covid-19 pandemic, life expectancy declined least among White people. In the second year of the pandemic, however, this group saw the second-biggest decline in life expectancy -- and deaths due to Covid-19 contributed to the drop among White people more than any other racial or ethnic group.

More at https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/31/health/life-expectancy-declines-2021/in
dex.html


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Wednesday, August 31, 2022 9:13 AM

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Your party is responsible for that.



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Wednesday, August 31, 2022 11:15 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Your party is responsible for that.

There are many people who are not Democrats fitting the following description : Fat people, drunkards, smokers, addicts of all kinds, those who are obvious to their obligations. They die from Covid. What is the moral? Don't be a glutton. Don't be obvious. Don't smoke. Etc. Funny how counties run by Republicans had a high percentage of their population die from Covid, but if you think nobody dies from Covid, there is nothing to any of this.

Republican US counties saw more COVID-19 deaths
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/06/republican-us-coun
ties-saw-more-covid-19-deaths


People in Republican Counties Have Higher Death Rates Than Those in Democratic Counties
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/people-in-republican-counti
es-have-higher-death-rates-than-those-in-democratic-counties
/

Pro-Trump counties continue to suffer far higher COVID death tolls
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/19/1098543849/pro-trump-counties-continue-
to-suffer-far-higher-covid-death-tolls


Pro-Trump counties now have far higher COVID death rates. Misinformation is to blame
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-v
accine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate


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Wednesday, September 7, 2022 6:49 AM

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How should New Zealand manage Covid from now – limit all infections or focus on preventing severe disease?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300680503/how-shou
ld-new-zealand-manage-covid-from-now--limit-all-infections-or-focus-on-preventing-severe-disease


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COVID is far from solved. The coronavirus is still mutating.



its probably a mild flu now

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Wednesday, September 7, 2022 10:10 AM

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I say New Zealand should just keep throwing everybody in camps.

They gave away their right to bear arms, so they deserve to be a shining example of what that gets you.

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Monday, September 26, 2022 12:07 PM

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Perhaps they want you to think +85 Russians died of Covid Corona virus in Ukraine last month?

Trudeau monkey pox immune systems?

Canadian...Maybe 4 years later Canada Mask rules or lockdowns will end?

Canada won’t require masks on planes, will drop vaccine mandate for entry
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/canada-wont-require-masks-on
-planes-will-drop-vaccine-mandate-for-entry
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Thursday, November 10, 2022 10:00 AM

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Biden says get your boosters?

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Sunday, November 27, 2022 2:13 PM

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2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 will Aus continue to lockdown in 2023?

Australia’s fourth Covid wave likely to peak before Christmas, experts say
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/25/australias-fourth-covid-
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- Will this change the world economy forever?



not a fan of u tube there is Rumble and Bitchute ...but maybe it might be easier to find

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Sunday, November 27, 2022 6:13 PM

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Biden says get your boosters?



Fuck Joe Biden*.

It's now officially a pandemic of the vaccinated.

By all means, keep getting your boosters, Mudbloods.



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Wednesday, November 30, 2022 9:45 AM

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COVID is back, says French PM

https://www.politico.eu/article/french-pm-warns-covid-19-coronavirus-r
eturns-recommends-wearings-masks-in-public-transport
/

French Prime Minister Elisabeth Borne said Tuesday that "the COVID epidemic is starting again" and called for preventative measures.

Borne said that more than 40,000 cases are being detected every day at the moment, while "an increase of almost 10 percent in hospitalizations, 22 percent increase in hospitalizations in critical care and 400 deaths from COVID" was observed last week.

"This new wave reminds us: The virus has not disappeared, the epidemic strikes again, kills again," she added.

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Wednesday, November 30, 2022 10:12 AM

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Just let it happen. All you're going to do by pulling the shit you pulled before is drag this on forever.

It's wheat/chaff time.

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Thursday, December 1, 2022 6:57 AM

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Former President Clinton announced on Twitter that he has tested positive for COVID-19 and is experiencing mild symptoms.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3756669-bill-clinton-test
s-positive-for-covid
/

Bill Order of DeMolay, a sleazy man, Hillary links to Goldwater another "Rockefeller Republican"-oriented group Kathy Shelton an American sexual assault survivor, defendants in her 1975 case was represented by Hillary Clinton....two very corrupt political people, Sexual assault and misconduct allegations, Benghazi attack and subsequent hearings, Email controversy

will that political family run again?




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COVID is back, says French PM

https://www.politico.eu/article/french-pm-warns-covid-19-coronavirus-r
eturns-recommends-wearings-masks-in-public-transport
/

French Prime Minister Elisabeth Borne said Tuesday that "the COVID epidemic is starting again" and called for preventative measures.

Borne said that more than 40,000 cases are being detected every day at the moment, while "an increase of almost 10 percent in hospitalizations, 22 percent increase in hospitalizations in critical care and 400 deaths from COVID" was observed last week.

"This new wave reminds us: The virus has not disappeared, the epidemic strikes again, kills again," she added.

As usual they report in the scariest way possible. 40,000 new cases a day?

How many new hospitalizations does that mean? 100? 1000? 10?

We know that the latest version of Covid us incredibly contagious, but not very serious. It's going to spread really fast in indoor spaces. So be prepared. Paxlovid really does work for the more serious cases,I know somebody who had to take it. Mostly it's like a bad cold tho.

When people start fudging figures it makes me suspect the whole narrative.

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
COVID is back, says French PM

https://www.politico.eu/article/french-pm-warns-covid-19-coronavirus-r
eturns-recommends-wearings-masks-in-public-transport
/

French Prime Minister Elisabeth Borne said Tuesday that "the COVID epidemic is starting again" and called for preventative measures.

Borne said that more than 40,000 cases are being detected every day at the moment, while "an increase of almost 10 percent in hospitalizations, 22 percent increase in hospitalizations in critical care and 400 deaths from COVID" was observed last week.

"This new wave reminds us: The virus has not disappeared, the epidemic strikes again, kills again," she added.

As usual they report in the scariest way possible. 40,000 new cases a day?

How many new hospitalizations does that mean? 100? 1000? 10?

We know that the latest version of Covid us incredibly contagious, but not very serious. It's going to spread really fast in indoor spaces. So be prepared. Paxlovid really does work for the more serious cases,I know somebody who had to take it. Mostly it's like a bad cold tho.

When people start fudging figures it makes me suspect the whole narrative.

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My aunt had it 2 weeks ago. My dad and one of my brothers had it last week and my step-mom has it now. Nobody died. But they were never boosted, thankfully.

I had the sniffles and a minor cough for a few days around the same time, and I had just been with my dad in a confined space down by my brother before he got it, but I don't shit my drawers every time I need to blow my nose. I just had Covid back in April, so I'm probably naturally immune, or Covid is nothing more than the common cold to me now.

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