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Thursday, August 19, 2021 10:41 AM

DREAMTROVE


Fauci: Such a serious situation... we must have fascism

No offense to any sicilians on the board, but this thought hadn't occurred to me before. Fauci is a Sicilian from Bensonhurst. Bensonhurst was kind of a hotspot of mafia activity. Fauci was born in 1940. The mafia didn't really give up on machine gun toting organized crime until Tony was 25 or so. At which point, to be fair, he was probably in medical school learning how to patch up Vinny next time he got shot. The game ended before poor Tony had shot anyone. Now he can shoot everyone, in the arm.

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Thursday, August 19, 2021 2:48 PM

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Anti-vaccine lawmakers are calling for Maine Gov. Janet Mills' execution, claiming she's a Nazi doctor who violated the Nuremberg Code when she implemented a Covid vaccine mandate for healthcare workers.

Republican lawmakers are trying to capture the anger and energy of the anti-vaccination movement as the party prepares for the midterms.

Sampson claimed Mills’ mandate was a government ploy to illegally test “experimental” COVID vaccines on unwitting citizens. She described Mills as the “reincarnation” of Nazi doctor Josef Mengele, who performed deadly medical experiments on Jewish people in concentration camps during the Holocaust.

https://mainebeacon.com/gop-lawmakers-headline-conspiracy-laden-vaccin
e-mandate-protest
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Thursday, August 19, 2021 3:55 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


lol

For a party that has been calling non-Nazi-like behavior Nazi-like behavior for at least the last five years, you guys and gals really can't spot actual Nazi-like behavior.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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Saturday, August 21, 2021 7:45 AM

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Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick reveals roots of Texas COVID surge: Black people.

Dan Patrick went on national TV and blamed Texas’ surging COVID hospitalizations and deaths on Black people. His comments to Fox News host Laura Ingraham on Thursday started off OK, admitting that “most of the numbers are with the unvaccinated.” But then he shifted blame away from Republicans — who hold all statewide offices, have actively blocked COVID precautions and have done very little to encourage vaccinations — and pointed the finger at Black Texans who hadn’t gotten their shots and the local Democrats they tend to vote for. “The biggest group in most states are African Americans who have not been vaccinated,” he said. Not so much. It’s true that the vaccination rate of Black Americans lags — about 44 percent among eligible Texans compared with 53 percent for white people. But there are roughly three times as many white Texans as Black Texans who are eligible for the vaccine and may not have received it. And it somehow slipped Patrick’s mind that Black folks have reasons besides rabid partisanship to be cautious. A history of medical abuse and unethical experimentation on Black people comes to mind. We’re glad Patrick is pushing local leaders to improve vaccination rates in Black communities. If only he’d had such inclusive priorities in January. When Dallas County officials tried to prioritize vaccines at one location for Black and Latino neighborhoods that were being hardest hit by the pandemic, Texas officials threatened to slash their vaccine allocation if the didn’t scrap the plan.

The bad thing about cable news, though, is that you can’t slither away from idiotic commentary like you can on Twitter by blaming you were hacked or the victim of a clever parody account.

School district officials in the little hamlet just east of Dallas have come up with a clever way to thwart Gov. Greg Abbott’s ban on local mask requirements — within the bounds of the law. While other districts have directly violated Abbott’s ban and sued him, the Paris ISD board of trustees simply added masks to its official dress code arguing that it could “be used to mitigate communicable health issues” because the part of the Texas education code that enables such codes wasn’t subject to the governor’s order banning certain COVID precautions.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/editorials/article/Thumbs-Dan
-Patrick-reveals-roots-of-Texas-COVID-16401964.php


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Saturday, August 21, 2021 7:52 AM

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In May, Greg Locke, the right-wing evangelical head pastor of Tennessee’s Baptist Global Vision Bible Church, told a cheering congregation that “elites” were trying to push an unsafe vaccine on the public while injecting themselves with sugar water. “I know some of you, like, ‘My goodness! What am I gonna—my boss told me that if I don’t get the vaccination that I’m gonna lose my job,’” he said. “I can write you a religious exemption, and we will sue their stinkin’ pants off!”

Locke is certainly not the only faith leader promoting anti-vax objections in the guise of religious concerns. A pastor in Riverside County, California, told his congregation in the spring that the vaccine was “unclean” and directed them to a downloadable form Christians could use to claim religious exemptions.

More at https://slate.com/human-interest/2021/08/covid-vaccines-religious-exem
ptions.html


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Saturday, August 21, 2021 8:47 AM

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Trump's Covid politics are everywhere

Former President Donald Trump still towers over the GOP, and he's set to appear Saturday at an Alabama rally. Ambitious Republicans eyeing future White House bids are increasingly emulating his brand of confrontational, fact-challenged politics on Covid.

Look no further than Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis. As the number of new coronavirus cases in his state soars, DeSantis is taking a page directly from Trump's playbook -- betting that an aggressive campaign against mandatory mask-wearing in schools will make him a GOP star nationwide as the party's 2024 presidential primary comes into view.

"It is very important that we say unequivocally no to lockdowns, no to school closures, no to restrictions and no to mandates," DeSantis told the crowd at a conservative state policy conference in Utah on Wednesday.

South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem too. She's used early trips to Iowa and to conservative political gatherings to take implicit jabs at DeSantis, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott and other Republicans who mandated masks and closed some businesses during the pandemic.

"We've got Republican governors across this country pretending they didn't shut down their states; that they didn't close their regions; that they didn't mandate masks," Noem said at the Conservative Political Action Conference gathering in Dallas last month.

"Now, I'm not picking fights with Republican governors. All I'm saying is that we need leaders with grit. That their first instinct is the right instinct."

Noem even bragged that South Dakota hadn't ordered a "single business" to close. "We didn't mandate. We trusted our people, and it told them that personal responsibility was the best answer," she said.

And Abbott. The second-term governor, who tested positive for the virus this week, has played to his party's base and blocked health mandates intended to slow the pandemic's spread ahead of a reelection bid next year and a potential presidential run in 2024.

"Too many Texans have been sidelined from employment opportunities. Too many small business owners have struggled to pay their bills. This must end. It is now time to open Texas 100%," Abbott said as he lifted the state's mask mandate in March and allowed businesses to open at 100% capacity despite warnings from public health officials.

Removing mandates, he added, "does not end personal responsibility and caring for your family members, friends and others in your community. People and businesses don't need the state telling them how to operate."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/21/politics/what-matters-august-20/index.h
tml


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Saturday, August 21, 2021 10:48 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Trump's Covid politics are everywhere



This isn't "Trump's" politics.

This is just people sick of your bullshit.

Fuck your vaccine. Fuck your mask mandates. Fuck you.

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Saturday, August 21, 2021 10:51 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
It’s true that the vaccination rate of Black Americans lags — about 44 percent among eligible Texans compared with 53 percent for white people.



Well that's a huge lie right there.

No chance in hell that 44 percent of black people are vaccinated in any state that isn't Democrat ran. You'd be hard pressed to find that in a Democrat ran state.

They're not buying your bullshit either.



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Monday, August 23, 2021 8:57 AM

THG


Entire Texas town essentially closes due to Covid-19 cases

From the front lawn of her friend's house, Vicky Zapata went live on Facebook recently and burst into tears, praying.

"We ask you God, that you heal our town, Father, from this disease," Zapata said in the livestream.

Inside the house, looking out through the glass front door, was her friend Carla Balderas, who was quarantined due to Covid-19, along with her 9-year-old son Reinaldo. Missing was Carla's husband Sammy. He was in the local hospital, fighting coronavirus.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/entire-texas-town-essentially-closes
-due-to-covid-19-cases/ar-AAND8jP?ocid=msedgntp




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Monday, August 23, 2021 11:12 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


It looks like Pfizer won the bidding war for FDA approval.

Nothing on earth that can't be bought, it appears.

Good luck, whoever they ultimately send to my house to give me the shot.



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Monday, August 23, 2021 11:15 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Entire Texas town essentially closes due to Covid-19 cases

From the front lawn of her friend's house, Vicky Zapata went live on Facebook recently and burst into tears, praying.

"We ask you God, that you heal our town, Father, from this disease," Zapata said in the livestream.

Inside the house, looking out through the glass front door, was her friend Carla Balderas, who was quarantined due to Covid-19, along with her 9-year-old son Reinaldo. Missing was Carla's husband Sammy. He was in the local hospital, fighting coronavirus.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/entire-texas-town-essentially-closes
-due-to-covid-19-cases/ar-AAND8jP?ocid=msedgntp






Fake news.

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Monday, August 23, 2021 11:21 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Let’s stop pretending that vaccinated people are far less likely to spread SARS-CoV-2.


https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2021/08/23/lets_stop_pretend
ing_about_the_covid-19_vaccines_791050.html


In other words, I'll say it again...

FUCK YOUR GUILT.

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Monday, August 23, 2021 6:07 PM

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Monday, August 23, 2021 6:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Fake news.

Rupert Murdoch's fake news organizations, such as Fox News and the New York Post, have disparaged public health officials and the guidance they issue about vaccines and masks. But these media organizations have quietly required their employees to follow the very same health protocols that they've lampooned in print and on air.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/23/media/new-york-post-mask-mandate/index.
html


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Monday, August 23, 2021 9:57 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Shitbag Biden* coming out and telling business owners they need to mandate vaccinations now.

Now I have even less of a reason to work than I did before.



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Monday, August 23, 2021 10:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Shitbag Biden* coming out and telling business owners they need to mandate vaccinations now.

Now I have even less of a reason to work than I did before.

Better to stay unemployed since an employer who does not want you vaccinated is an employer who won't pay you well and doesn't cover hospitalization costs if you catch a virus.

Trump ‘maybe not that bright,’ says Alex Jones after the former president defended vaccines

Donald Trump’s defense of COVID vaccines is not going over well with some supporters, including Alex Jones, who questioned the former president’s brain power after a speech in Alabama Saturday where Trump was booed for saying he’d been vaccinated.

According to Jones, the 45th president is caving into pressure from CNN — the cable channel Trump calls “Fake News” — to get inoculated.

“CNN president Jeff Zucker snaps his fingers, and Trump clicks his heels and hops up there at attention and says, ‘How high do you want me to jump, boss?’ ” Jones said Sunday before playing a clip of Trump’s weekend speech.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-maybe-not-that-bright-sa
ys-alex-jones-after-the-former-president-defended-vaccines/ar-AANE98J


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Tuesday, August 24, 2021 8:58 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I can wait it out. By the time I'd ever need to go back to work they will have forgotten all about this thing.

Unless people start dying or kids grow up into adults that aren't able to have kids anymore.

I'll probably just start mowing lawns, doing landscaping, snow blowing and whatever odd jobs I can find. I really had no interest in ever going back to work to make somebody else rich again anyhow.



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Tuesday, August 24, 2021 9:04 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


In Australia they murdered rescue dogs so people wouldn't travel to see and possibly take them home.

Australia turned their entire continent into a prison because of 1.5 "Covid Deaths" per day.

There's a nationwide manhunt for a 27 year old who left his apartment. They have CCTV footage of him sneezing in an elevator. There is a warrant out for his arrest.

They'd LOVE to do that here, but they can't. Because we have guns.



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Tuesday, August 24, 2021 6:51 PM

DREAMTROVE


There is no vaccine, only a bioweapon.


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Tuesday, August 24, 2021 8:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
There is no vaccine, only a bioweapon.

Lee and HBO are offering 9/11 Truth founder Richard Gage and his conspiracy theories the biggest and most mainstream platform they’ve ever had, pointing their viewers directly towards a bog of heinously dangerous ideas: Like other conspiracy theorists, Gage doesn’t just stick to 9/11, and if Lee’s viewers follow Gage down the rabbit hole, they likely won’t, either.

Gage, for instance, considers himself an expert on the COVID-19 pandemic. In the past year, he has said on various podcasts that COVID-19 is a “deep state” “hoax” and “false flag event” that has been perpetrated by an “increasingly restrictive and tyrannical government that has locked us into our own homes, and kept us in isolation from each other with distance and masks, and poisoned us with vaccines that are going to kill us.” Gage has also claimed that “Bill Gates is a eugenicist” attempting to “reduce the population” by doing “a good job with the vaccines” because “his father was the head of the whole legal deal for Planned Parenthood.” Again, once people dip a toe into the fever swamp of conspiracy theories, they are often sucked all the way in—with all the attendant horrific consequences for society and public health.

But aside from being a potential gateway drug for his ideas about COVID-19, Gage’s theories about 9/11 are dangerous in and of themselves. His elaborate conspiracy would implicate nearly everyone in the country as either culpable criminals or gullible “sheeple.” Particularly guilty are mainstream media entities—such as HBO and WarnerMedia—which Gage says are in on the crime. Indeed, the man tends to see anyone who disagrees with him about 9/11 as a likely criminal; when I interviewed him in 2011, he demanded a criminal “federal grand jury investigation” into Sunder himself. (Shyam Sunder led 200 scientists in examining the evidence of the 9/11 attacks to produce a three-year-long, $16 million investigation into the collapse of the World Trade Center for the National Institute of Standards and Technology.)

When you listen closely to Gage and attend his events, other alleged criminals start to emerge. Chief among them: Jews. When I visited one of his group’s gatherings in 2012, he offered an open platform to participants claiming “that our government and the Israeli government, the Israeli Mossad, could be responsible for the Twin Towers demolition.” In one recent interview, Gage endorsed the ideas of a podcast host who said that Israel’s use of COVID-19 passports means that it “has the database that collects all of our phone calls” and that “Israel benefited” from 9/11 and “it’s pretty obvious who” the real perpetrators of the attacks were. In response to the podcast host essentially suggesting the Jews did it, Gage responded: “It’s not too difficult to figure that out. You just have to listen to some really, really good people—your station, which I’ve heard many times, your TV or video exposés are extraordinary.” The 9/11 truther movement is awash in this sort of antisemitism, and Gage seemingly never disputes it.

More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/08/spike-lee-hbo-documentary-
richard-gage.html


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Wednesday, August 25, 2021 9:35 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


It occurs to me that the FDA has taken the nuclear option here by approving the Pfizer vaccination faster than it has ever approved any vaccination in it's history.

If this goes south now, they've just destroyed their reputation for at least a generation or two and nobody will ever believe anything they say.

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Wednesday, August 25, 2021 11:25 AM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It occurs to me that the FDA has taken the nuclear option here by approving the Pfizer vaccination faster than it has ever approved any vaccination in it's history.

If this goes south now, they've just destroyed their reputation for at least a generation or two and nobody will ever believe anything they say.

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It will definitely head south and the FDA has just destroyed itself. Which is a shame, because the whole planet depended on it. Most countries don't have something like that. And the useful function they did serve was the food part.

America is completely fucked. The USA govt that is.

meanwhile, I had this thought. Everything about this virus seems designed to cause maximum immune response, from the get go. Nothing evolves that way.

I think it's also not airborne. It doesn't behave at all like an airborne disease. It behaves like a blood based infectious disease. I think it spreads from the vaccinated, and they shed it, and they infect others by preparing food.

This is probably why all the restaurants stayed open. Of course, there have always been vaccinated, as we now know the vax predates the release of the pathogen itself.

So this is how Bill and Ted and Tony spread their plague. They inject people with a "vaccine" that they've patented as a bioweapon and brand named "Vaccine™" and then those people become carriers. Some of those peopel work in places where they can spread it to others.

I've given up on my initial transmission theory. I think we all got it from a bakery whose food we ate, and where the people are vaccinated. I know "in theory" the vaccines are contagious, but the pattern is clear. 100% of them seem to get the covid within days of being vaccinated, and people who have no contact with the vaccinated at all don't get it.

If it were as the media says, then outbreaks would start among the unvaccinated and spread to the unvaccinated and not to the vaccinated. Instead it clearly starts each time with the vaccinated and affects all the vaccinated first.

One of my employees is degenerating. It's a month in and he says he can't eat.I'm pretty sure most of the damage from this thing is the autoimmune problems it creates.


JSF if you're there, have you considered that Fauci may have taken Montagnier's HIV into a lab and modified it to create the effects that he wanted?

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Thursday, August 26, 2021 8:25 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I found an interesting article that explains the government pressure for vaccines, and it doesn't have to do with any depopulation agenda. It's so simple I kind of smacked my forehead because I shoulda seen it.

Quote:

Authored by Philipp Bagus via The Mises Institute,

Pressure on the unvaccinated grows. While the vaccinated in some countries are getting back some of their freedoms taken away by the covid interventions, the unvaccinated are not so well off. They are being targeted for discrimination. Access to public spaces and traveling is being made more difficult for them. In some countries there is even mandatory vaccination for some professions.

But why is the vaccination campaign so important to governments that they are increasing the pressure to such an extent? And who has an interest in the global vaccination campaign?

To answer these questions, it is necessary to analyze the prevalent vaccination narrative and ask who benefits from it.

In doing so, the alliance of interests between the state, the media, the pharmaceutical industry, and supranational institutions must be addressed.

Let us start with the pharmaceutical industry.

It has an obvious economic interest in the vaccination campaign. It makes enormous profits from widespread vaccination.

What about the state?

In the covid-19 crisis, politicians have systematically amplified fear and hysteria. This was no accident and is unsurprising, for the state builds its raison d'être on the argument that it protects the population from internal and external dangers. The state is built upon fear. The narrative is that without the help of the state, the citizen would be defenseless against hunger, poverty, accidents, war, terrorism, disease, natural disasters, and pandemics. It is, therefore, in the state's interest to instill fear of possible dangers, which it then pretends to resolve, expanding its power in the process. A relatively recent example is the restriction of civil liberties in the US in response to the threat of terrorism after the 9-11 attacks and the second Iraq war. Similarly, it was in the interest of governments to purposefully instill fear and portray covid-19 as a unique killer virus in order to expand state power to an extent unknown in peacetime at the expense of citizens' fundamental rights.

When the corona crisis started and not much was known about the virus's potential danger politicians were faced with an asymmetric payoff. If politicians underestimate a danger and do not react, they are held responsible for the underestimation. They lose elections and power. Especially if they can be blamed for deaths. Photos of mass burials aside, the consequences of underestimating danger and failing to act are politically fatal. In contrast, overestimating the danger and taking decisive action are politically much more attractive.

If it really is an unprecedented threat, politicians are celebrated for their tough measures such as lockdowns. And politicians can always argue that without their decisive action, there would indeed have been a disaster. If the measures ultimately turn out to have been exaggerated because the hazard was not so great after all, the possible negative consequences of the measures are not as directly associated with the politicians as the photos of mass burials, because these consequences are more indirect and long term. The indirect and long-term health costs of lockdowns include suicides, depression, alcoholism, stress-related illnesses, earlier deaths from canceled surgeries and screenings, and a generally lower standard of living. However, these costs are not directly associated with the drastic interventions and blamed on the policy. Many of these consequences will occur after the next elections or even later and are not visible. For instance, we cannot observe to what extent a higher standard of living would have increased life expectancy. And if someone dies six years from now from alcoholism or depression developed in the wake of lockdowns, most people probably will not make the lockdown politicians responsible, and if they do, these politicians will possibly already be out of office. Thus, it is in the interest of politicians to overestimate a threat and overreact.

In order to justify and defend the harsh measures such as lockdowns that are so attractive to politicians, it is necessary to stir up fear. When politicians stoked fear and hysteria during the covid-19 crisis, implementing highly restrictive measures such as lockdowns, the damage to the economy and social fabric was immense. Yet a society cannot be cannot be locked down forever, as the costs keep rising. At some point, it must exit lockdown and return to some normality. However, how can one at the same time stir up fear of the threat of a killer virus and return to normalcy?

The way out is vaccination.

With to the vaccination campaign the state can stage itself as the savior from the great danger.
The state organizes vaccination for its citizens and gives the vaccinations to the citizens for "free." Without this "vaccination rescue" and in a permanent lockdown, the negative economic and social consequences of the restrictions on civil rights would be so great that resentment among the population would continue to grow and ultimately unrest would threaten. So, sooner or later, the lockdown must be ended. If, however, the state authorities were to back out of the lockdowns and restrictions without further explanation and imply that the danger was not so great after all and that the restrictions were an exaggeration and a mistake, they would lose a great deal of support and trust among the population. Consequently, from a governmental perspective, a good and face-saving "exit scenario" from the most severe restrictions is needed, and the vaccination campaign provides it.

Through state-provided vaccination, the state can continue to hold on to the narrative of the great threat and still get out of the lockdown. At the same time, it can pass itself off as a savior that is making somewhat more normality possibly through vaccination. To do this, it is necessary that as large a proportion of the population as possible also get vaccinated, because if only a fraction of the population gets vaccinated, the vaccination campaign cannot be sold as a necessary step toward opening up. Thus, it is in the state's interest to get a major part of the population vaccinated.

If this strategy works, the state will have set a precedent, expanded its power, and also made citizens more dependent. Citizens will believe that the state has rescued them from a mortal predicament and that they will need its help in the future. In return, they will be willing to give up some of their liberties permanently. The announcement that a state-organized annual vaccination booster is needed will perpetuate the citizens' dependence.

The mass media have fallen in line and actively support the vaccination narrative.

The state and mass media are closely linked. Framing by the leading media and targeting the population have a long tradition. Already in 1928 Edward Bernays advocated the intelligent manipulation of the masses in his classic book Propaganda. In modern states, the mass media help to construct popular approval for political measures such as in the case of covid-19.

The mass media's support of the state is due to several reasons. Some media are directly owned by the state, others are highly regulated or require state licenses. Furthermore, media houses are staffed with graduates from state educational institutions. In addition, especially in times of crisis, a good connection to the government offers advantages and privileged access to information. The willingness to carry the state's fear narrative also comes from the fact that negative news and the exaggeration of dangers bring attention.

In the corona crisis, the one-sided media coverage that proliferated through social media and muted critical voices contributed to fear and panic and created great psychological stress among the population. However, it is not only negative news that is attractive to the media; the narrative of the state rescuing the population from a major crisis also sells well. Thus, the vaccination narrative plays into the hands of the mass media.

In addition to nation-states, the media, and pharmaceutical companies, supranational organizations also have an interest in ensuring that the world's population is vaccinated.

Supranational organizations are actively pursuing an agenda in which global vaccination campaigns play an important role. These organizations include the World Economic Forum (WEF), the United Nations (UN), the EU, the International Monetary Fund (IMF), and the World Health Organization (WHO), which are closely interconnected.

Some of these organizations have set as their goal a great reset, or a great transformation. In the areas of pandemic and climate protection, gender, migration, and the financial system, these organizations want to find coordinated answers for the benefit of all people worldwide. They emphasize shared responsibility and global solidarity. The central control of vaccination, climate change, and financial and migration flows bears the hallmarks of a new world order. For example, the theme of the 2019 annual meeting of the WEF was "Globalization 4.0: Shaping a New Global Architecture in the Age of the Fourth Industrial Revolution." Another example of supranational planning is the UN's "Global Compact for Migration." At the national level, these radical ideas are supported, as shown by the German Advisory Council on Global Change's Welt im Wandel – Gesellschaftsvertrag für eine Große Transformation (World in transition: Social contract for a great transformation) policy paper.

Raymond Unger (2021, pp. 84–89) sees this drive for supranational planning as part of a culture war envisioned by Antonio Gramsci and Herbert Marcuse. A global management of opinion and outrage is combined with scenes of fear and horror, especially in the fields of climate change and corona, to establish a new socialist world order. In fact, the WHO, the IMF, and the UN are led by former communists. The WEF is financed by global companies, including the pharmaceutical industry and the big tech companies. The WEF, for its part, significantly finances the UN's 2030 Agenda. The WHO is also significantly funded by pharmaceutical companies and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which spearheads global vaccination campaigns. During the covid-19 crisis, the pharmaceutical industry also exerted its influence on the WHO. And the IMF only aided nation-states if they complied with WHO recommendations.

These interconnected supranational organizations see the covid-19 crisis as an opportunity to advance their agendas. The UN policy paper Shared Responsibility, Global Solidarity: Responding to the Socio-economic Impacts of COVID-19 views covid-19 as a turning point for modern society. The intention is to seize the opportunity and act in a globally coordinated manner. The major tech companies support these agendas. They are also members of the WEF and censored disagreeable information related to covid-19 on their platforms (Twitter, YouTube, and Facebook), just like the mass media. Videos critical of vaccination are particularly quickly deleted on YouTube.

The title of a keynote speech by IMF director Kristalina Georgieva, "From Great Lockdown to Great Transformation" also underscores the idea that supranational organizations want to use the corona crisis for their agendas. Klaus Schwab, founder of the WEF, argues that the covid-19 crisis represents a "rare opportunity" to "lay new foundations for our economic and social systems." In COVID-19: The Great Reset, coauthored with Thierry Malleret, Schwab speaks of a defining moment and claims a new world will emerge. According to Schwab, it is time for a fundamental reform of capitalism.

Thus, the globally coordinated vaccination program can be interpreted as a building block in a supranational strategy of a great reset.

Global vaccination structures are being established that can be used for subsequent global vaccination campaigns. From the perspective of advocates of a great reset, globally coordinated covid-19 vaccination underscores the need for global structures and organizations that can then be used for other global purposes, such as effectively combating "climate change" and pushing for a great reset. In short, the state, the media, the pharmaceutical industry, and supranational organizations are closely intertwined and have a common interest in the vaccination narrative.

From this perspective, the mounting pressure on the vaccine-free is unsurprising.


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/vaccine-mandates-great-reset

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Thursday, August 26, 2021 9:22 AM

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Well... let them try to wriggle themselves out of the huge mess they put everyone in.

I've got nothing but time. A lot more than they have.

I can wait.





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Thursday, August 26, 2021 9:30 AM

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CNN declares that you don't have a Constitutional Right to refuse the vaccine.

Why don't you stop on by and test out that theory and see what happens to you.

Yanno... Do some actual investigative journalism for once in your careers.



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Thursday, August 26, 2021 9:33 AM

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Fatfuck useless cunt Governor Pritzker to announce the reinstatement for the Illinois mask mandates for everyone 2 and older today.


Biden* had better get ready to extend that unemployment benefit again if we're about to plunge the country back into the dark ages over nothing twice.

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Thursday, August 26, 2021 12:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I found an interesting article that explains the government pressure for vaccines, and it doesn't have to do with any depopulation agenda. It's so simple I kind of smacked my forehead because I shoulda seen it. ...

Well, there was a technical difficulty in ending COVID-19 restrictions. And that was that before vaccinations, whenever countries would lift restrictions, cases and deaths would rise. And it's not JUST the elderly at risk - it's anyone with risk factors. For example, in this latest 'delta' pulse in the US, deaths rose by the same proportion as cases, even in a country where most of the elderly were vaccinated. And there was no 'youth' discount.

Not to say I'm for mandatory vaccines or 'vax passports'. I'm just saying that at the population level, not having a lot of people vaccinated has consequences for society overall, not just the individuals who are deciding.

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Friday, August 27, 2021 8:05 AM

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https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/should-the-government-im
pose-a-national-vaccination-mandate


Come and give it to me.

See what happens to you.



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Friday, August 27, 2021 11:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I found an interesting article that explains the government pressure for vaccines, and it doesn't have to do with any depopulation agenda. It's so simple I kind of smacked my forehead because I shoulda seen it. ...

KIKI: Well, there was a technical difficulty in ending COVID-19 restrictions. And that was that before vaccinations, whenever countries would lift restrictions, cases and deaths would rise. And it's not JUST the elderly at risk - it's anyone with risk factors. For example, in this latest 'delta' pulse in the US, deaths rose by the same proportion as cases, even in a country where most of the elderly were vaccinated. And there was no 'youth' discount.

Not to say I'm for mandatory vaccines or 'vax passports'. I'm just saying that at the population level, not having a lot of people vaccinated has consequences for society overall, not just the individuals who are deciding.



Well, from my own SELFISH standpoint, I'm all up for people who don't want to get vaccinated gettting sick as soon as possible. Because if they get sick ... even if they drop dead of their own stupidity ... then maybe enough people (previously ill + vaccinated) will develop an immunity and we will reach that magical "herd immunity" faster. To be prefectly crass, just look at DT and his cohort. Altho I feel concern for their illness, that's maybe a half-dozen people who will be immune for about eight months to the NEXT strain of SARS-CoV2 that rolls around, and that many fewer people to pass it on.

So, like I told SIX: Go to some noisy crowded bar and start shouting at each other's faces as soon as possible!

I've edited this article because they frame it misleadingly, so I've eliminated a lot of the repetitive crowing and highlighted the caveats and countervailing data

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Israeli Study Shows Natural Immunity 13x More Effective Than Vaccines At Stopping Delta
Friday, Aug 27, 2021 - 07:39 AM


... a new study out of Israel suggests [that]: natural infection offers a much better shield against the delta variant than vaccines.

The study was described by Bloomberg as "the largest real-world analysis comparing natural immunity - gained from an earlier infection - to the protection provided by one of the most potent vaccines currently in use." (Pfizer/BNT mRNA used is Israel).

... the study showed that the vaccinated were ultimately 13x as likely to be infected as those who were infected previously, and 27x more likely to be symptomatic.

But they don't compare the serious illness rates of vaccinated v unvaccinated, which has already shown that vaccination, tho imperfect, offers much better protection against serious illness for the vulnerable than being unvaccinated.

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Here's an excerpt from a report by Science Magazine:
The new analysis relies on the database of Maccabi Healthcare Services, which enrolls about 2.5 million Israelis. The study, led by Tal Patalon and Sivan Gazit at KSM, the system’s research and innovation arm, found in two analyses that people who were vaccinated in January and February were, in June, July, and the first half of August, six to 13 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected with the coronavirus. In one analysis, comparing more than 32,000 people in the health system, the risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19 was 27 times higher among the vaccinated, and the risk of hospitalization eight times higher.

This time, the data leave little doubt that natural infection truly is the better option for protection against the delta variant, despite the fact that the US won't acknowledge the already infected as having antibodies protecting them from the virus.

At the very least, the results of the study are good news for patients who have already successfully battled COVID but show the challenge of relying exclusively on immunizations to move past the pandemic.

"This analysis demonstrated that natural immunity affords longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization due to the delta variant," the researchers said.

Unfortunately, the study also showed that any protection is time-limited. Protection offered by natural infection wanes over time, just like the protection afforded by vaccines: The risk of a vaccine-breakthrough delta case was 13x higher than the risk of developing a second infection when the original illness occurred during January or February 2021. That's significantly more than the risk for people who were ill earlier in the outbreak.

What's more, giving a single shot of the vaccine to those who had been previously infected also appeared to boost their protection. Still, the data don't tell us anything about the long-term benefits of booster doses.

Because not enough people have had booster doses to tell how well they work.

My guess is that since boosters help the previously infected, they should also help the previously innoculated.

What I would suggest is offering a booster (and N95s) to anyone who wants one who hasn't had "the jab" in the past 8 months, and letting everyone else take their chances: Open up bars, gyms, restaurants, sporting events, and anyplace else where people voluntarily congregate in large numbers, and let 'er rip!


Read the study pre-print below:
https://www.scribd.com/document/521947447/2021-08-24-21262415v1-full#f
rom_embed

by Joseph Adinolfi Jr. on Scribd

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Friday, August 27, 2021 12:43 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



I've been preaching a sequence of vaccines for anything we want to get rid of - starting with pure isolated (surface neutralizing) protein, then killed pathogen (to get the whole panoply of antigens), and then live attenuated pathogen - forever. I do want to amend it to say the second vax should be both injection and intranasal, which also ends up being swallowed.

Anyway, the issue I have with unvaxed natural infection for this particular pathogen - because nobody really knows its long-term outcomes besides people dying - is the potential consequence of long-term health problems like lung, CVS/ heart, kidney, and brain problems. That could be a serious drain on society. That's just my caution with this particular pathogen because, once again, it's unknown, and nobody knows the sequelae. One should have eyes open when making decisions, rather than being blindsided by unanticipated outcomes.

That aside, if you're going to have a vax program available for people who want it, I think instead of assuming you'll have one single magic silver bullet, and trying to institute one single magic bullet, you should be using a sequence of vaxes like I outlined above. And for this pathogen, rather than give people a booster with 'more of same' they should at least give people the option to mix technologies to provide more complete protection (antibody plus cell).


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Friday, August 27, 2021 1:49 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Well, see, this is where my responsibility/authority equation comes into play: If you claim the authority for what you do with your body, then you must also have the responsibility for what comes after.

If there are long-term sequelae to having had Covid-19 and someone cannot show tht they've been vaccinated, then they shouldn't be covered for those conditions using tax dollars/charity care. And if they pay for medical insurance, then their premiums should go up accordingly. It's like I think that smokers and the obese should pay higher premiums, and motorcycle riders without helmets and passengers without seatbelts shouldn't be covered for trauma care after an accident, and sky divers and other extreme-sports enthusiasts should have special (expen$ive) insurance to cover the cost of their hobbies injuring them.

People who act stupid shouldn't expect society to bail them out.

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Friday, August 27, 2021 3:48 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



I'd say that's one case where authority/ responsibility falls across a tidy dividing line (except for children under 18 who don't decide the care they get).

Not everything divides like that, for example various types of cholesterol levels, diabetes, asthma, etc since there are genetic, environmental (pollution, grocery store deserts, stressful society and neighborhood), and personal historical (access to medical care) components.

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Friday, August 27, 2021 3:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, see, this is where my responsibility/authority equation comes into play: If you claim the authority for what you do with your body, then you must also have the responsibility for what comes after.

If there are long-term sequelae to having had Covid-19 and someone cannot show tht they've been vaccinated, then they shouldn't be covered for those conditions using tax dollars/charity care. And if they pay for medical insurance, then their premiums should go up accordingly. It's like I think that smokers and the obese should pay higher premiums, and motorcycle riders without helmets and passengers without seatbelts shouldn't be covered for trauma care after an accident, and sky divers and other extreme-sports enthusiasts should have special (expen$ive) insurance to cover the cost of their hobbies injuring them.

People who act stupid shouldn't expect society to bail them out.

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This post makes a dubious assumption that there is a preventative connection between injecting yourself with a "vaccine" branded product which is legally not a vaccine and the reduced chances of getting a wild type coronavirus.

Since all coronavirus outbreaks appear to originate from the vaccinated, and spread to the other vaccinated preferentially, there is no basis for this assumption other than corporate say so. If you want, you can continually live in corporations never live fantasyland, but the taxpayer shouldn't have to bail you out for doing so

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Friday, August 27, 2021 5:09 PM

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, see, this is where my responsibility/authority equation comes into play: If you claim the authority for what you do with your body, then you must also have the responsibility for what comes after.

If there are long-term sequelae to having had Covid-19 and someone cannot show tht they've been vaccinated, then they shouldn't be covered for those conditions using tax dollars/charity care. And if they pay for medical insurance, then their premiums should go up accordingly. It's like I think that smokers and the obese should pay higher premiums, and motorcycle riders without helmets and passengers without seatbelts shouldn't be covered for trauma care after an accident, and sky divers and other extreme-sports enthusiasts should have special (expen$ive) insurance to cover the cost of their hobbies injuring them.

People who act stupid shouldn't expect society to bail them out.

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This post makes a dubious assumption that there is a preventative connection between injecting yourself with a "vaccine" branded product which is legally not a vaccine and the reduced chances of getting a wild type coronavirus.

Since all coronavirus outbreaks appear to originate from the vaccinated, and spread to the other vaccinated preferentially, there is no basis for this assumption other than corporate say so. If you want, you can continually live in corporations never live fantasyland, but the taxpayer shouldn't have to bail you out for doing so

Whatever.

I hope you feel better in a three weeks, tho. That seems to be about as long as Covid-19 lasts for people with pre-existing conditions and/or the elderly. Don't expect miracles, it takes time.

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Friday, August 27, 2021 7:05 PM

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Quote:

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Whatever.

I hope you feel better in a three weeks, tho. That seems to be about as long as Covid-19 lasts for people with pre-existing conditions and/or the elderly. Don't expect miracles, it takes time.

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At my party, there were three vaccinated people, and four non-vaccinated people. All of those who got sick got sick after me, so they could have gotten it from me, but I was not somewhere else with people, so I got it from one of the three vaccinated.

That said, there have been two dozen cases now recently, and they have all started in this way, many people have commented on me that each mini outbreak tracked back to only a newly vaccinated person as suspect

This completely fits with there not being an outbreak before. One places where Fauci and company had released his bioweapon would have the plague until he managed to release it everywhere under the guise of the brand name of "vaccine"

I've had this since 7/24, so 5 weeks. I have yet to have any antibody positive test for covid, but one of the employees who got sick after me has tested positive. The pattern of illness just 100% matches covid and doesn't match anything else, so it's covid, I just don't have the antibodies yet

I have an underlying heart condition which has associated orthostatic intolerance already, which is associated with a deficiency in ACE2, so the pathology for me will be slightly different. I don't have a void in ACE2 though, because the orthostatic intolerance is definitely worse since the infection.

Numerically, I appear fine, if you measure only my nighttime numbers, my pulse is generally sub 60 and my o2 sat is typically 99. The perfusion index sticks around 15, but I don't know what that means and neither does anyone else it seems, there are a lot of theories, but it's somewhere in the high end of normal 0.02 to 20

Anyway, those numbers look like a healthy individual, but then if I sit up in a chair I start to sweat, if i try to carry anything heavy I collapse. Sometimes there's a strong pulse change associated with these difficulties, but sometimes there is not. Which would make me thing that the pulse is not the primary obstacle, but rather that something else is, and the body responds by increasing pulse in an attempt to overcome the obstacle, but it doesn't work.

At any rate, whatever it's origins, it's a nasty disease.
The most obvious correlation for us here was that covid was exceedingly rare until the vaccinations started, and now it's become very common.

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Friday, August 27, 2021 8:12 PM

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You'll be fine dude.

Nobody dies of Covid.



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Friday, August 27, 2021 8:21 PM

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Yeah Signy, I wasn't going to dispute DT b/c, as you've seen plenty of times already, once someone gets an idée fixe they never change it.

It's like arguing about religion.

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Friday, August 27, 2021 8:42 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



DT, but you were NOT vaccinated - and you caught COVID-19, and you spread it. That kinda' puts a hole in your theory that only vaxed people catch it and spread it.


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Anyway, those numbers look like a healthy individual, but then if I sit up in a chair I start to sweat, if i try to carry anything heavy I collapse. Sometimes there's a strong pulse change associated with these difficulties, but sometimes there is not. Which would make me thing that the pulse is not the primary obstacle, but rather that something else is, and the body responds by increasing pulse in an attempt to overcome the obstacle, but it doesn't work.
There are several mechanisms by which the heart and the CVS compensate for sitting or standing up:
increased heart rate
increased heart contraction force (contractility)
increased stroke volume
but also, 'sympathtic' nervous system narrowing of blood vessels in the abdomen to stop blood from pooling there - pooling of blood in CVS space lower than the heart means that blood doesn't return to the heart, which means it can't be pumped out. The blood pooling and lack of return to the heart drives the heart rate up, as the heart tries to compensate for the lack of blood volume it's receiving. I'd pinpoint the problem as the lack of an angiotensin signal in the abdominal CVS system due to COVID-19, because the virus targets cells with those ACE-2 receptors.

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Friday, August 27, 2021 8:56 PM

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Yeah Signy, I wasn't going to dispute DT b/c, as you've seen plenty of times already, once someone gets an idée fixe they never change it.

It's like arguing about religion.


1kiki/sig you used this on me before many years ago

Did we clear up what your relationship is to signym?
I mean, it would be easier if I knew, and I apologize if I just missed it before. Like 1kiki is daughter of signym, or lesbian lover of, mentor or, student of, or alternate personality of. your use of language is too similar to be no relation, there's a connection there.

Anyway, it's not applicable to me here, nor was it then, it's a cop out, to try to paint me as a religious follower of an idea, rather than as a person who knows more than you about a particular topic

I get you're not ignorant about it, but you're not getting it. The evidence here is a lot greater and more persuasive that this is a scam than the mainstream media links claiming their own product is not a scam. That's not backup, it's advertising.

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Friday, August 27, 2021 9:04 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

DT, but you were NOT vaccinated - and you caught COVID-19, and you spread it. That kinda' puts a hole in your theory that only vaxed people catch it and spread it.



okay, no.

yes, i caught the virus, but no, i did not spread it to someone else. That was the hypothetical "if it is what you say it is" but it's not. it's not an airborne contagion. two uninfected have been working with me almost daily for a month, neither has had it before, and neither has had it yet.

Because I'm careful, and I understand that bloodborne infectious diseases are typically not airborne. The airborne plague was part of the hype. we probably got it from something we ate.

Anyway, I did not say "only vaxed people catch it and spread it" i said "every local outbreak has started with an already vaccinated person"

one of the problems is that most local business owners got vaccinated first, and now they make everyone's food. there are five notable local businesses that didn't vaccinate for religious reasons. But most did, especially chains.

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There are several mechanisms by which the heart and the CVS compensate for sitting or standing up:
increased heart rate
increased heart contraction force (contractility)
increased stroke volume
but also, 'sympathtic' nervous system narrowing of blood vessels in the abdomen to stop blood from pooling there - pooling of blood in CVS space lower than the heart means that blood doesn't return to the heart, which means it can't be pumped out. The blood pooling and lack of return to the heart drives the heart rate up, as the heart tries to compensate for the lack of blood volume it's receiving. I'd pinpoint the problem as the lack of an angiotensin signal in the abdominal CVS system due to COVID-19, because the virus targets cells with those ACE-2 receptors.


Yeah, I agree. I think I said that, the ACE2 involvement in vasoconstriction is the obvious cause of the worsening of my orthostatic intolerance. Sorry, maybe I wasn't thorough on that, but that's what I was referring to, I figured you'd get it. which you did.

As for things like the PI% and just generally pulse strength/volume, that's data i have now, but not recorded on my old monitor so i don't have anything to compare it with.



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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You'll be fine dude.

Nobody dies of Covid.



Sorry, that's a silly statement


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You'll be fine dude.

Nobody dies of Covid.

But they do die of stupidity.

Dying in the Name of Vaccine Freedom


In the video above, Alexander Stockton, a producer on the Opinion Video team, explores two of the main reasons the number of Covid cases is soaring once again in the United States: vaccine hesitancy and refusal.

“It’s hard to watch the pandemic drag on as Americans refuse the vaccine in the name of freedom,” he says.

Seeking understanding, Mr. Stockton travels to Mountain Home, Ark., in the Ozarks, a region with galloping contagion and — not unrelated — abysmal vaccination rates.

He finds that a range of feelings and beliefs underpins the low rates — including fear, skepticism and a libertarian strain of defiance.

This doubt even extends to the staff at a regional hospital, where about half of the medical personnel are not vaccinated — even while the intensive care unit is crowded with unvaccinated Covid patients fighting for their lives.

Mountain Home — like the United States as a whole — is caught in a tug of war between private liberty and public health. But Mr. Stockton suggests that unless government upholds its duty to protect Americans, keeping the common good in mind, this may be a battle with no end.

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Saturday, August 28, 2021 4:06 AM

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Fuck your vaccine.

Come and give it to me Second.

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Saturday, August 28, 2021 4:11 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Democrat hypocrite shitbags.



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Saturday, August 28, 2021 12:20 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I watched SECOND's video, and felt profoundly sad for Christopher Green, the person that they interviewed who died nine days later. And sad for his family, too. He said something like "Both my parents gotthe shot, and both of them got Covid." But, since he didn't say they died, I assume THEY survived.

No parent should even have to bury a child. He sounds like a family man. And at his age (53) I'm sure he has (or had) a wife and has children. His death with leave a big hole in the lives of the people that he left behind.

" I probably should have had a healthier fear. This needs to be taken seriously. I don't know how close I am to getting a lot worse".

I tend to be optimistic.

I was thinking... "Wow, he managed to say eight words in a row. That's pretty good! People who're really short of breath can only manage two or three or four, before they have to gasp. I think he's going to be OK."

I guess not.
He was more realistic than I was.
It's too sad.


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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Fuck your vaccine.

Come and give it to me Second.

I was talking to the widow of an un-vaccinated Trumptard. She said the usual, how sad he is gone, but then the truth: now that his life insurance policy has been paid, her life is so much better without him. Buy life insurance, 6ix. Make somebody happier when you are dead, too.

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Saturday, August 28, 2021 1:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Fuck your vaccine.


I was talking to the widow of an un-vaccinated Trumptard.


This is fanfic

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Saturday, August 28, 2021 1:46 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
This is fanfic

No. But this is:
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
1kiki/sig you used this on me before many years ago

Did we clear up what your relationship is to signym?
I mean, it would be easier if I knew, and I apologize if I just missed it before. Like 1kiki is daughter of signym, or lesbian lover of, mentor or, student of, or alternate personality of. your use of language is too similar to be no relation, there's a connection there.

Anyway, it's not applicable to me here, nor was it then, it's a cop out, to try to paint me as a religious follower of an idea, rather than as a person who knows more than you about a particular topic

I get you're not ignorant about it, but you're not getting it. The evidence here is a lot greater and more persuasive that this is a scam than the mainstream media links claiming their own product is not a scam. That's not backup, it's advertising.

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63571&mid=11401
24#1140124


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Bizarre Lazar @BizarreLazar tweeted:

Tiktok just banned the milk crate challenge because people were getting seriously injured. They however will still allow you to spew Covid denial and antivaxxer propaganda because that only kills people.
6:34 PM · Aug 27, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/BizarreLazar/status/1431399736213311492

TikTok bans 'milk crate challenge' from its app, citing concerns over dangerous acts
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2021/08/27/tiktok-bans-milk-crate-
challenge/5618315001
/

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Saturday, August 28, 2021 8:24 PM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Bizarre Lazar @BizarreLazar tweeted:

Tiktok just banned the milk crate challenge because people were getting seriously injured. They however will still allow you to spew Covid denial and antivaxxer propaganda because that only kills people.
6:34 PM · Aug 27, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/BizarreLazar/status/1431399736213311492

TikTok bans 'milk crate challenge' from its app, citing concerns over dangerous acts
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2021/08/27/tiktok-bans-milk-crate-
challenge/5618315001
/

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Second,

I only tell you this because I really care.

Seek help

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Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Fuck your vaccine.


I was talking to the widow of an un-vaccinated Trumptard.


This is fanfic





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