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Does Covid-19 disprove the existence of God?

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Sunday, May 17, 2020 2:17 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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There is a way to prove it
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we aren't making any progress with that proof
Funny how your arguments go in a circle and bite themselves in the ass.

But, whatever floats your boat.

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Sunday, May 17, 2020 3:19 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I knew the 2016 polls were flawed. I knew they over-sampled democrats and democrat-leaning populations by a fair bit. And I knew there were states that weren't polled at all, or very minimally (1 or 2 polls total).

What I ASSUMED was that - being performed by professional pollsters and statisticians - they were being corrected for all those known problems. I ASSUMED the media was getting back to those professionals to make sure they were doing their jobs.

Apparently they weren't.

BTW, I did read Silver's explanation as to what went wrong, and basically he said it came down to margin of error. Apparently, among other things, they didn't factor margin of error in, either.

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Sunday, May 17, 2020 3:36 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
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There is a way to prove it
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we aren't making any progress with that proof
Funny how your arguments go in a circle and bite themselves in the ass.

But, whatever floats your boat.

Look at this fancy, but old-fashion equipement: www.nyu.edu/classes/tuckerman/adv.chem/lectures/lecture_3/node1.html

J.J. Thomson is standing in for God. If J.J. decides that he will not allow you or me access to his laboratory because he will be absent for an indeterminate amount of time, we will not make any progress in getting answers. In the exact same way, God has locked the doors on the lab and gone into hiding or missing or vacationing. We won't make any progress in proving the existence of God if God decided for unknown reasons God won't help us.

We've come back to where we started with proving 1kiki is an American rather than a Russian Troll. If 1kiki won't cooperate with the proving, it can't be done within the limitations of fireflyfans.net . Within the limitations of the Universe, proving God exists without God's cooperation can't be done. (Noncooperation could mean nonexistence or maybe God is playing childish games with Covid-19 and humans -- killing them like flies for the sport of it. )

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Monday, May 18, 2020 6:16 AM

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Trump could prove he is honest by making his tax returns from the last 5 years available. Since he won’t, he proved he is dishonest. God could prove real, but since God won’t make proof available, God is in the same trouble as Trump. Trump and God are believed despite the trivial effort neither will give to prove themselves.

Trump Tax Cheating
www.google.com/search?q=Trump+Tax+Cheating

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Monday, May 18, 2020 11:00 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.



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SECOND: There is a way to prove it

KIKI: Then prove it.

SIGNY: Hmmm.... still no proof from SECOND.


SECOND:This is the fundamental misunderstanding that confuses all discussions of God's existence. How would I, or anyone, prove that Signym and 1kiki are Americans



That's the stoopidest comparison ever. "God" lives in some plane of existence that you - with all of your money and private investigators - can't reach. So in the REAL world, you can't prove god.

You metioned "electrons" (or was it "atoms"?) as being unprovable ideas. Well, they may be ultimately unprovable, but they sure are useful. By throwing a switch you can make "electrons" flow and turn on a light. By reacting "atoms" you can create chemicals like painkillers and antibiotics and fracking fluid.

"God" appears not to have any repeatable effect in the real world. Invoking "god" doesn't cure disease or turn on lights or get rid of agricultural pests or ward off bad luck. It doesn't even make people good. I mean, look at you: You say you were raised with God, but you're literally like the virtue-signalling Pharisees of the Bible, constantly beating your breast and claiming how "good" you are (Wow, you pay your taxes like that's some measure of goodness!) but for all I know, given your stated history, you slaughtered people from a helicopter gunship.

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Monday, May 18, 2020 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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SECOND: There is a way to prove it

KIKI: Then prove it.

SIGNY: Hmmm.... still no proof from SECOND.


SECOND:This is the fundamental misunderstanding that confuses all discussions of God's existence. How would I, or anyone, prove that Signym and 1kiki are Americans



That's the stoopidest comparison ever. "God" lives in some plane of existence that you - with all of your money and private investigators - can't reach. So in the REAL world, you can't prove god.

You metioned "electrons" (or was it "atoms"?) as being unprovable ideas. Well, they may be ultimately unprovable, but they sure are useful. By throwing a switch you can make "electrons" flow and turn on a light. By reacting "atoms" you can create chemicals like painkillers and antibiotics and fracking fluid.

"God" appears not to have any repeatable effect in the real world. Invoking "god" doesn't cure disease or turn on lights or get rid of agricultural pests or ward off bad luck. It doesn't even make people good. I mean, look at you: You say you were raised with God, but you're literally like the virtue-signalling Pharisees of the Bible, constantly beating your breast and claiming how "good" you are (Wow, you pay your taxes like that's some measure of goodness!) but for all I know, given your stated history, you slaughtered people from a helicopter gunship.

Holy books, especially the Bible, have God visiting Earth often and making promises. Then, suddenly, God (or gods) went missing for thousands of years and people have been futilely waiting for those promises to be kept. Maybe someday, but not this year. From that you know either all those various Holy Books are fake or something happened to God. Trump was making promises about his income tax returns. Then, suddenly, Trump's income tax returns are missing and Americans have been waiting futilely for the IRS tax audits to finish. Maybe someday, but not this year. From that you know either all those income tax returns are full of tax fraud or something happened to Trump.

God's and Trump's non-performance of their promises cannot be denied. Maybe if we wait another thousand years they will keep their promises? We cannot be absolutely sure that there is fraud going on involving God and Trump. We have to keep waiting and waiting and waiting and . . .

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Monday, May 18, 2020 1:51 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Wow, before you were conflating KIKI and me with god. Now you're conflating Trump with God. Meanwhile, no "proof" of god is to be had!

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Is it just me, or is SECOND getting nuttier with every post?

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Monday, May 18, 2020 2:13 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


IN DETAIL
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SECOND: There is a way to prove it

KIKI: Then prove it.

SIGNY: Hmmm.... still no proof from SECOND.


SECOND:This is the fundamental misunderstanding that confuses all discussions of God's existence. How would I, or anyone, prove that Signym and 1kiki are Americans

SGNYM: That's the stoopidest comparison ever. "God" lives in some plane of existence that you - with all of your money and private investigators - can't reach. So in the REAL world, you can't prove god.

You metioned "electrons" (or was it "atoms"?) as being unprovable ideas. Well, they may be ultimately unprovable, but they sure are useful. By throwing a switch you can make "electrons" flow and turn on a light. By reacting "atoms" you can create chemicals like painkillers and antibiotics and fracking fluid.

"God" appears not to have any repeatable effect in the real world. Invoking "god" doesn't cure disease or turn on lights or get rid of agricultural pests or ward off bad luck. It doesn't even make people good. I mean, look at you: You say you were raised with God, but you're literally like the virtue-signalling Pharisees of the Bible, constantly beating your breast and claiming how "good" you are (Wow, you pay your taxes like that's some measure of goodness!) but for all I know, given your stated history, you slaughtered people from a helicopter gunship.

SECOND: Holy books, especially the Bible, have God visiting Earth often and making promises. Then, suddenly, God (or gods) went missing for thousands of years and people have been futilely waiting for those promises to be kept. Maybe someday, but not this year. From that you know either all those various Holy Books are fake

Occam's razor, baby
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or something happened to God.
Like what? God is all-powerful. What could possibly have happened?
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Trump was making promises about his income tax returns. Then, suddenly, Trump's income tax returns are missing
No. they are not missing. The IRS has them. Maybe you could hire a PI ... a better one than you already have ... and hack into those records. Not that I';m advocating that, just to point out that they still exist in the real world.
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and Americans have been waiting futilely for the IRS tax audits to finish.
Not me,and not anyone I know. Probably not even CC, or THUGR, or WISHY, or JO. This seems to be your own personal grotch.
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From that you know either all those income tax returns are full of tax fraud or something happened to Trump.
For all I know, Bill and Hillary's are too. The Biden's. Feinstein's. Burr's. Throw a rock at politicians and see who you hit.

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God's
assumption that god exists
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and Trump's non-performance of their promises cannot be denied.


So, let me get this straight: Trump broke his promises, and is real. Because "god broke his promises" (as recorded in some books by unknown ancient people) therefore god must be real, too. The thing that ties "god" to "reality" is because "god" betrayed you, and so did Trump, and Trump is real, therefore God must be real.

Are you saying God is a Republican?

*****

Is it just me, or is SECOND getting nuttier with every post?

BTW, DID you gun people down from helicopter?

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Tuesday, May 19, 2020 7:02 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I knew the 2016 polls were flawed. I knew they over-sampled democrats and democrat-leaning populations by a fair bit. And I knew there were states that weren't polled at all, or very minimally (1 or 2 polls total).

What I ASSUMED was that - being performed by professional pollsters and statisticians - they were being corrected for all those known problems. I ASSUMED the media was getting back to those professionals to make sure they were doing their jobs.

Apparently they weren't.

BTW, I did read Silver's explanation as to what went wrong, and basically he said it came down to margin of error. Apparently, among other things, they didn't factor margin of error in, either.




An example of a poll that I posted back in 2016 was from Florida where they gave 10 times the representation to Latino voters than actually lived in Florida. If any of the Legacy Media shills were doing actual journalism instead of being caught red-handed colluding with the DNC and the Clinton campaign, they might have caught that too. Not exactly hard since any poll even bothering putting any time into at all will post their polling methodology.

Another thing Democrat voters like to look at because the number makes them feel good is national polls which always show the Democrat winning. They really do forget about the electoral college every 4 years except for a few months after they lose an election.

Tough shit for them. Millions of people in California and New York don't get to decide the fate of an entire nation.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, May 19, 2020 7:14 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Is it just me, or is SECOND getting nuttier with every post?

Signym, you are taking the same ridiculously arduous path philosophers have taken for hundreds of years, writing billions of words. In the end they are no closer to proving the existence or non-existence of God.

Ordinary people do NOT use that method to evaluate other people. If they did, they would be completely vulnerable to every fast-talking con-man who was tricking them for his own benefit. Why not use the same quick methods with God that we use on people? Here is one if you face a decision: Does God keep his promises? It turns out God is not very good about that, despite what Believers may claim.

The Book of Revelation is 22 chapters of God’s promises to Believers and the promises aren't being kept. The Book ends with a final promise that the prophecies will "soon take place":

6 The angel said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God who inspires the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place.”
www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+22&version=NIV

Believers might stop believing in God if Revelation’s promises aren’t kept real “soon”.
They’ve been waiting 2,000 years and are starting to get impatient. Some Believers want to force God to act. See Hasten Armageddon at www.google.com/search?q=hasten+Armageddon

(They’ve been waiting 4 years on Trump’s tax return audit to finish at the IRS. Getting impatient at waiting. Might stop believing in Trump.)

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Tuesday, May 19, 2020 7:46 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Tough shit for them. Millions of people in California and New York don't get to decide the fate of an entire nation.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

How To Win The Presidency With 23 Percent Of The Popular Vote
www.npr.org/2016/11/02/500112248/how-to-win-the-presidency-with-27-per
cent-of-the-popular-vote

If the Electoral College disappeared tomorrow, campaign strategy would shift dramatically; Democrats would campaign more in Texas. Republicans would do more outreach in conservative parts of California.

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Tuesday, May 19, 2020 9:49 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Tough shit for them. Millions of people in California and New York don't get to decide the fate of an entire nation.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

How To Win The Presidency With 23 Percent Of The Popular Vote
www.npr.org/2016/11/02/500112248/how-to-win-the-presidency-with-27-per
cent-of-the-popular-vote

If the Electoral College disappeared tomorrow, campaign strategy would shift dramatically; Democrats would campaign more in Texas. Republicans would do more outreach in conservative parts of California.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



You have a better chance persuading me that an overblown cold disproves the existence of God than the idea that abandoning the electoral college is a good one.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, May 19, 2020 10:33 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Tough shit for them. Millions of people in California and New York don't get to decide the fate of an entire nation.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

How To Win The Presidency With 23 Percent Of The Popular Vote
www.npr.org/2016/11/02/500112248/how-to-win-the-presidency-with-27-per
cent-of-the-popular-vote

If the Electoral College disappeared tomorrow, campaign strategy would shift dramatically; Democrats would campaign more in Texas. Republicans would do more outreach in conservative parts of California.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



You have a better chance persuading me that an overblown cold disproves the existence of God than the idea that abandoning the electoral college is a good one.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The electoral college favors Trump, so that would be your unstated reason for favoring the electoral college. The actual guys who added the electoral college to the Constitution saw that it was a mistake, but one that could not be removed because of politics. Politics of 2020 still prevent the mistake from being corrected. Now, as in 1787, it’s seen as a critical way of preventing large urban centers from dominating the political process at the expense of rural areas.
www.history.com/news/the-history-of-the-electoral-college-debate

Not only was the creation of the Electoral College in part a political workaround for the persistence of slavery in the United States, but almost none of the Founding Fathers’ assumptions about the electoral system proved true.
www.history.com/news/electoral-college-founding-fathers-constitutional
-convention


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Tuesday, May 19, 2020 10:34 AM

SIGNYM

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SIGNYM: Is it just me, or is SECOND getting nuttier with every post?

SECOND: Signym, you are taking the same ridiculously arduous path philosophers have taken for hundreds of years, writing billions of words.

Er, that would be you
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In the end they are no closer to proving the existence or non-existence of God.
No, I'm simply trying to understand YOUR logic, such as it is.

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SECOND ...Does God keep his promises? It turns out God is not very good about that, despite what Believers may claim.
So basically what you're trying to say, in your usual loopy way, is that people might stop believing in God because the word of the Bible hasn't come true?

Well, that isn't proof. We have no idea what "real soon" is to a god. Or maybe he's just ornery. The only thing that this reflects, one again, is YOUR sense of betrayal. The Bible betrayed you. God betrayed you. Republicans betrayed you. So you're mad at god and you're mad at almost everyone else because it's easier than being mad at yourself?

So, about that history of shooting people from helicopter: Did you?

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Tuesday, May 19, 2020 10:48 AM

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So,about that history of shooting people from helicopter: Did you?

Yes, I was excellent at the job because I came back with most of my ammo and, which was completely atypical of the US Army, never killed water buffalo, children, old women, etc. My Republican co-soldiers didn't agree with my methods, mostly because they were bad shots and slow thinkers ruled by fear, but boy oh boy, did they try to pretend they are brave soldiers. They were worthless. There was absolutely no way to teach those Republicans that their ordinary behavior was ruining the possibility of winning the Vietnam War for the South Vietnamese. None these morons could even speak any French to the people or learned Vietnamese. What those Republican Generals and soldiers were doing was worse than immoral; it was completely stupid and incompetent. It is unsurprising how badly they would do as civilians after the war.

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Tuesday, May 19, 2020 11:04 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So you were a stupid kid who was somehow persuaded to give up what had been at that point a lifelong faith, and did something that was anathema to your old (Jesus-based) religion in favor of your new (politics-based) religion. And instead of being punished by god for killing people, you struck it rich. You've spent an entire lifetime blaming someone else, ANYONE else, for the bad that you yourself had done.

Hmmm... might you still be waiting for that hot breath of god's retribution? Why else would you spend your entire liftime since, blame-shifting and virtue-signalling?

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Tuesday, May 19, 2020 11:52 AM

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So you were a stupid kid who was somehow persuaded to give up what had been at that point a lifelong faith, and did something that was anathema to your old (Jesus-based) religion in favor of your new (politics-based) religion. And instead of being punished by god for killing people, you struck it rich. You've spent an entire lifetime blaming someone else, ANYONE else, for the bad that you yourself had done.

Hmmm... might you still be waiting for that hot breath of god's retribution? Why else would you spend your entire liftime since, blame-shifting and virtue-signalling?

Signym, I did not have a lifelong faith, but I did get persuaded by Texans who would eventually switch to being Republicans that Richard Nixon was a noble leader who was saving the world from Communism. It was easy to figure out I had been lied to by Nixon, the Republican Generals, the Texans who would eventual start voting for Republicans, etc. -- a congregation of stingy, stupid, self-righteous church-goers who knew nothing about how to correctly fight a war, since all they learned was about how the Confederacy unfortunately lost to the immoral Yankees who destroyed the uniquely beautiful culture of the South built on slavery. Republicans, 50 years after the My Lai Massacre, are still making excuses for war crimes:
Trump Brings 2 Officers He Cleared of War Crimes Onstage at Fund-Raiser
The president had pardoned Army First Lt. Clint Lorance and Maj. Mathew Golsteyn last month, in a move that strained his relationship with Pentagon leaders.
www.nytimes.com/2019/12/08/us/politics/trump-war-crimes-pardons.html

Civilian Deaths in U.S. Wars Are Skyrocketing Under Trump. It May Not Be Impeachable, but It’s a Crime.
https://theintercept.com/2019/10/02/trump-impeachment-civilian-casualt
ies-war
/

Nixon and the My Lai massacre coverup
https://nypost.com/2014/03/15/richard-nixon-and-the-my-lai-massacre-co
verup
/

I forgot the most important point. My Mother and Sisters are Jehovah's Witnesses. Voting for a Republican would be immoral, but my younger sister has strong negative opinions about how terrible Trump is with his policies about Healthcare and, more recently, Covid-19 because she is a nurse. I can't be neutral. I am at war with all Republicans, all their beliefs, all their behaviors especially at work where they steal tools, fuel, and money.
www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/political-neutrality/
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We follow the example of Jesus, who refused to accept political office. (John 6:15) He taught his disciples to be “no part of the world” and made it clear that they should not take sides in political issues. —John 17:14, 16; 18:36; Mark 12:13-17.
Now that I think of it, if I had been a Jehovah's Witness, my life would have been serene and undramatic, like my Sisters'. Maybe I'll remember that in my next reincarnation. Go In Peace.

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Tuesday, May 19, 2020 2:23 PM

SIGNYM

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SECOND ... but I did get persuaded by Texans who would eventually switch to being Republicans that Richard Nixon was a noble leader who was saving the world from Communism. It was easy to figure out I had been lied to by Nixon, the Republican Generals ... etc.
Wow, talk about taking the wrong lessons from history!

a) Do you still believe that the Vietnam was was winnable, or even worth "winning"? what would "winning" have looked like, anyway? Originally it started out as Vietnamese war of independence from French colonial masters. How did we wind up on the wrong side of that fight, anyway?

b) Did you not notice that more young men were persuaded to fight by Kennedy (a Massachusetts Democrat) and Johnson (a Texas Democrat) than by Nixon (a California Republican)? IT'S TRUE! Under Kennedy, total armed forces increased from 2.4 to 2.7 million, and under Johnson it jumped from 2.7 to 3.5 million, almost a million-man increase. The VERY FIRST year that Nixon took office, total armed forces dropped from 3.5 to 3.1 million, and by the end of his Presidency fell to 2.2 million - lower than when Kennedy first took office.

I guess that you didn't realize that you were coming in on the tag-end of a pointless conflict that was already winding down.

c) I suppose that you didn't notice that Nixon ended the war?

d) I had to look this up, but of the five Generals commanding the Vietnam War. NOT A SINGLE ONE IS TEXAN, AND MANY DID NOT COME FROM CONFEDERATE STATES. Creighton Abrams was borm in Massachusetts, William Westmoreland in South Carolina, Frederick Weyand was born in California, Maxwell taylor in Missouri, and Paul Harkins also born in Massachusetts.

DOOD, YOU GOT EVERY SINGLE FACT WRONG.

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I can't be neutral. I am at war with all Republicans
AND YOU'RE STILL FIGHTING A STUPID WAR. "Republicans" aren't the problem.

Instead of nurturing your hate, why don't you learn from your mistakes? Heck, if you're going to be fighting a "war", why not at least be on the right side?

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Tuesday, May 19, 2020 7:20 PM

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I can't be neutral. I am at war with all Republicans
AND YOU'RE STILL FIGHTING A STUPID WAR. "Republicans" aren't the problem.

Instead of nurturing your hate, why don't you learn from your mistakes? Heck, if you're going to be fighting a "war", why not at least be on the right side?

It must be very comforting for Republican voters to know that Obama is to blame for Trump's problems, but it happens to be Trump's fault that Trump has problems.

https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/498494-obamagate-backfire
s-documents-show-biden-obama-acted-properly


Republicans and right-wing media are in a conspiracy theory-spewing meltdown. In the wake of selective, politically motivated “leaks” of sensitive documents, conservative pundits are launching an avalanche of baseless attacks against President Trump’s political opponents.

But the reality is brutally obvious: Trump is weaponizing the American government to distract from his catastrophically incompetent pandemic response and the crushing economic fallout.

While right-wing media continue to whip their audiences into hysteria over a nefarious Obama-led plot to undermine Trump, the documents — strategically released by Trump’s political lackeys atop the intelligence and law enforcement communities — do absolutely nothing to further such asinine conspiracy theories. In fact, they prove the opposite.

And as for God's existence and goodness, God needs to release the documents and show up for questioning under oath about what God has been doing for the past 2,000 years. Or send an angel.

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Tuesday, May 19, 2020 7:57 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So, what are you fighting against, SECOND?

Corruption? I have news for you: Democrats are corrupt too, just like Republicans.

Lies? Every President since I can remember, Democrat as well as Republican, has lied his ass off.

Wealth inequality? Under Obama, the wealth gap soared more than under GWB. That's because The Fed is driving wealth inequality, it's not primarily tax policy.

From the spew that you splatter the board with morning, noon, and night, it's impossible to derive any sort of moral precept or ethical direction. You bitch about stuff that isn't even real (RUSSIA!RUSSIA!) You bitch about stuff that's unimportant. You bitch about stuff that contradicts the OTHER stuff that you bitch about. The only thing that I - or anyone- can gather from your posts is that you have a single-minded hatred driven by purely personal (and erroneous) interpretation of events.

Not worth talking to.

Some day, maybe you'll become more conscious.

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Tuesday, May 19, 2020 8:31 PM

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Not worth talking to.

Some day, maybe you'll become more conscious.

We have never talked, Signym. You are a Russian Orthodox Troll and I am not. I'm in Baytown, Texas and you don't exist in California or else are the strangest, nuttiest Californian ever.

The share of Houstonians who believe that the Bible is the actual word of God dropped to its lowest point in nearly 40 years, according to a new survey.

The data by Rice University’s Kinder Institute found that only about 28 percent of Houstonians described the Bible as being the literal word of God. It marked the lowest share since Rice researchers first asked the question in 1982, and a precipitous drop since 2011, when roughly 42 percent of respondents said the same.

Meanwhile, the share of Houstonians who believe the Bible is God’s “inspired word” hit its second-highest rate over the last two decades, with slightly more than half of respondents agreeing.

www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Record-low
-share-of-Houstonians-think-Bible-is-15280789.php


Half of Houston does not want to admit the Bible is 100% human-inspired word because then "God" is a 100% human-inspired word in the same manner as "Superman" and "Harry Potter". Obviously, God could send an angel to clarify that God is real, not a literary or psychological construct. I will be watching the news for God's Chariot.

Ezekiel’s Vision of God and the Chariot
www.thetorah.com/article/ezekiels-vision-of-god-and-the-chariot

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Tuesday, May 19, 2020 8:33 PM

SIGNYM

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Not worth talking to.

Some day, maybe you'll become more conscious.

We have never talked, Signym. You are a Russian Orthodox Troll and I am not. I'm in Baytown, Texas and you don't exist in California or else are the strangest, nuttiest Californian ever.

The share of Houstonians who believe that the Bible is the actual word of God dropped to its lowest point in nearly 40 years, according to a new survey.

The data by Rice University’s Kinder Institute found that only about 28 percent of Houstonians described the Bible as being the literal word of God. It marked the lowest share since Rice researchers first asked the question in 1982, and a precipitous drop since 2011, when roughly 42 percent of respondents said the same.

Meanwhile, the share of Houstonians who believe the Bible is God’s “inspired word” hit its second-highest rate over the last two decades, with slightly more than half of respondents agreeing.

www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Record-low
-share-of-Houstonians-think-Bible-is-15280789.php


Half of Houston does not want to admit the Bible is 100% human-inspired word because then "God" is a 100% human-inspired word in the same manner as "Superman" and "Harry Potter". Obviously, God could send an angel to clarify that God is real, not a literary or psychological construct. I will be watching the news for God's Chariot.
www.thetorah.com/article/ezekiels-vision-of-god-and-the-chariot

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You wouldn't know a Russian Orthodox if you fucked one. Meanwhile I count myself as an agnostic: I don't know, can't be proved.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Ezekiel’s Vision of God and the Chariot
www.thetorah.com/article/ezekiels-vision-of-god-and-the-chariot

Please take note of the underlined correction.

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Wednesday, May 20, 2020 11:41 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Why do you show me as having posted a link to Ezekiel? That was YOUR post.

And what does that have to do with Covid or proof of god or ... anything? ru terminally confused?

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Wednesday, May 20, 2020 2:47 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


SECOND has scrambled his brain by twisting every single piece of reality and every single thought into one obsessive hatred.

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Wednesday, May 20, 2020 3:19 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Why do you show me as having posted a link to Ezekiel? That was YOUR post.

And what does that have to do with Covid or proof of god or ... anything? ru terminally confused?


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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
SECOND has scrambled his brain by twisting every single piece of reality and every single thought into one obsessive hatred.

Questions for the Russian Orthodox Trolls:

What is God's motivation for being incommunicado for 1,900 years? You can speculate.
What happened to the angels/cherubs? Where did they fly off to?
Why no new prophets for 1,900 years? Joseph Smith, author of The Book of Mormon, doesn't count.
Why no new books added to the Bible for 1,900 years?
Did God quit the Church without leaving a resignation letter?

Since God has been silent and AWOL for approximately 1,900 years, there have been millions of self-selected, overly-articulate people who have been writing books about what God wants and thinks. 1kiki and Signym, feel free to follow the example of those people taking the role that Honest-to-God prophets are suppose to fulfill.

See the article "When Was Each Book of the Bible Written?"
www.biblegateway.com/blog/2016/02/when-was-each-book-of-the-bible-writ
ten
/

Did Joseph Smith plagiarize the Book of Mormon? Yes, he did, which means he is not a prophet.
www.google.com/search?q=did+joseph+smith+plagiarize+the+book+of+mormon

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Wednesday, May 20, 2020 3:41 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Thanks for proving my point.

And I see that since your minions are no longer treading in those waters, you have to keep up the campaign all by yourself. That plan worked out well - didn't it? I also see that you think inserting 'Orthodox' is some dodge.

SO KEEP 'EM COMING! Make it absolutely clear to everyone that you're mentally and morally corrupted beyond any hope.




BTW, how's those WTI prices doing? How's those nat gas prices doing? HA HA HA HA HA HA ha ha ha ....

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BTW, how's those WTI prices doing? How's those nat gas prices doing? HA HA HA HA HA HA ha ha ha ....

1kiki, it doesn't work the way you think it does for me. Natural gas prices change my income only moderately, but it does open up possibilities to buy properties at steep discounts from Republican run business bankruptcies, the guys who think God Is Watching Over Them. What I really crave is a stock market crash that feels like the end-of-the-world/Armageddon to retail investors.
www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0411/5-investors-that-are-both-ric
h-and-smart.aspx


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Thursday, May 21, 2020 5:16 AM

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Second's still insane, huh?

Good to know that some things never change.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Second's still insane, huh?

Good to know that some things never change.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I still say blessings: "God is Great. God is Good. Let us thank Him for our Food. By His Hands must all be fed. Give us Lord our daily bread. Amen." That is not inconsistent with questioning why God has not appointed any new prophets for 1,900 years. Why has God let the world deteriorate to the point where the existence of God is in question? Only God knows, and He is not explaining through new prophets.

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Thursday, May 21, 2020 11:53 AM

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Second's still insane, huh?

Good to know that some things never change.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Yep, batshit crazy.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Second's still insane, huh?

Good to know that some things never change.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Yep, batshit crazy.

Here is the dialog for Theodicy www.smbc-comics.com/comic/theodicy-2 :

Man: “Dear God, why do bad things happen to good people?”

God: I am having trouble parsing “good people?”
Is a rock bad if it is used for a bad purpose?
Or good if used for a good purpose?
No, it is just a dumb rock.


Man (delighted): “So you are saying we have purpose?!”

God: I said rocks have purpose.

Signym, click on the link for the cartoon:
www.smbc-comics.com/comic/theodicy-2

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Friday, May 22, 2020 11:06 AM

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What Second seems to want is a God that intervenes and micromanages constantly in every single affair and decision that 7.5 Billion people make on a daily basis. Or even better, a God that created man to be perfect and always make the correct decision that is right and good not only for himself but for every other single person that exists and will ever exist in the future. (Which, lets face it, would have resulted in mankind reaching some equilibrium with the planet at some point and never coming close to reaching 7.5 Billion people in the first place).

What that would require is a complete and utter lack of free will.

We would be nothing more than preprogrammed automatons that are just carrying out our code, giving even less meaning to what in all likelihood amounts to a pretty pointless existence in the grand scheme of things already.




Why am I not at all surprised that a Leftist Authoritarian would want humans to behave in such a way?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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What Second seems to want is a God that intervenes and micromanages constantly in every single affair and decision that 7.5 Billion people make on a daily basis. Or even better, a God that created man to be perfect and always make the correct decision that is right and good not only for himself but for every other single person that exists and will ever exist in the future. (Which, lets face it, would have resulted in mankind reaching some equilibrium with the planet at some point and never coming close to reaching 7.5 Billion people in the first place).

What that would require is a complete and utter lack of free will.

We would be nothing more than preprogrammed automatons that are just carrying out our code, giving even less meaning to what in all likelihood amounts to a pretty pointless existence in the grand scheme of things already.




Why am I not at all surprised that a Leftist Authoritarian would want humans to behave in such a way?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ixStringJack, your argument boils down to accusations that if God was proved we'd all be his puppets. I think you need to rethink that argument.

How about God showing that God exists by handing down a third copy of the Ten Commandments? Moses broke the first copy. The second copy is in a Government warehouse, at least according to the movie "Raiders of the Lost Ark". It has been 3,400 years since God carved the second copy and it is about time for God to carve some more stone tablets. That would be proof God exists. Humans would remain free to disobey those latest commandments as they have disobeyed the previous two sets of commandments.

15 Moses turned and went down the mountain with the two tablets of the covenant law in his hands. They were inscribed on both sides, front and back. 16 The tablets were the work of God; the writing was the writing of God, engraved on the tablets.

17 When Joshua heard the noise of the people shouting, he said to Moses, “There is the sound of war in the camp.”

18 Moses replied:

“It is not the sound of victory,
it is not the sound of defeat;
it is the sound of singing that I hear.”

19 When Moses approached the camp and saw the calf and the dancing, his anger burned and he threw the tablets out of his hands, breaking them to pieces at the foot of the mountain.
www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+32&version=NIV


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Friday, May 22, 2020 1:37 PM

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No. I've already summed you up perfectly.

Change the subject all you want, but you're a simple minded, one dimensional fool.

But we already knew that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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No. I've already summed you up perfectly.

Change the subject all you want, but you're a simple minded, one dimensional fool.

But we already knew that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Since you are not the expert on what I believe, I believe your summing up is full of serious errors. But since you also want to believe yourself oh so superior to me, go right ahead. Did you see the article about Trump's religious beliefs preventing him from admitting he poorly handled Covid-19?

Sometimes, the reality is that you've failed and need to change course. But to Norman Vincent Peale, Trump's spiritual advisor, that wasn't an option. Even self-doubt was a sin, he taught, an affront to God. Peale had a huge problem with failure. He would berate people for even talking about it. Peale's teachings can explain why Trump won't accept criticism. You can hear echoes of Peale's no-fail philosophy in Trump's angry response to reporters' questions about his handling of the coronavirus pandemic.
www.cnn.com/2020/05/21/politics/trump-magical-thinking-peale-coronavir
us/index.html


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Friday, May 22, 2020 3:15 PM

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Originally posted by second:
But since you also want to believe yourself oh so superior to me, go right ahead.



Example of a broken clock being right twice a day right here.

I am and I will.

Your opinion on everything is shit.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, May 22, 2020 3:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
But since you also want to believe yourself oh so superior to me, go right ahead.



Example of a broken clock being right twice a day right here.

I am and I will.

Your opinion on everything is shit.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You are having delusions of grandeur. Let me quote you back to yourself:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yes I have.

I've been right about everything, Karen.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63473&mid=11011
06#1101106


6ix, please see the article Delusions of Grandeur: How to Spot Them - Healthline
www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/delusions-of-grandeur

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Trump is depending on a Covid-19 miracle to keep churchgoers from dying:

U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday urged state governors to allow the reopening this weekend in the United States of places of worship which have been closed due to the coronavirus, warning that he will override governors who do not do so. Trump issued a warning to governors who refuse his appeal but did not say under what authority he would act to force the reopening of religious facilities. “If they don’t do it I will override the governors. In America we need more prayer, not less,” he said.
www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-trump-churches/trump-war
ns-governors-let-places-of-worship-open-this-weekend-idUSKBN22Y2LQ


It will take a miracle from God to prevent deaths among Trump's church attendees. For the next several months, the proof of God's existence will require careful record-keeping about the ultimate fate of those people in church this weekend. If none die, there is the proof. But I don't think America will keep good enough records to know if there was a miracle or not.

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Friday, May 22, 2020 5:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
But since you also want to believe yourself oh so superior to me, go right ahead.



Example of a broken clock being right twice a day right here.

I am and I will.

Your opinion on everything is shit.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You are having delusions of grandeur. Let me quote you back to yourself:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yes I have.

I've been right about everything, Karen.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63473&mid=11011
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www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/delusions-of-grandeur

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No.

I'm simply pointing out that your opinion about everything is wrong, and Karen's opinion about the virus is wrong.


It's not grandeur. There's no prize to be had here. There's no reason for me to feel accomplished about being right here. It's easy to be right in an argument when you're matching wits with idiots.


Feeling any sense of pride on my part here would be like feeling proud that I successfully wiped my ass after I took a shit this morning.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, May 23, 2020 6:02 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

No.

I'm simply pointing out that your opinion about everything is wrong, and Karen's opinion about the virus is wrong.


It's not grandeur. There's no prize to be had here. There's no reason for me to feel accomplished about being right here. It's easy to be right in an argument when you're matching wits with idiots.


Feeling any sense of pride on my part here would be like feeling proud that I successfully wiped my ass after I took a shit this morning.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ixStringJack, you are an Einstein -- intelligent, yet humble, despite being nearly always right.

From The Ultimate Quotable Einstein:
“I believe in Spinoza's God, Who reveals Himself in the lawful harmony of the world, not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and the doings of mankind.”
This was Einstein’s answer to Rabbi Herbert S. Goldstein's telegram, published in the New York Times, April 25,1929. (Spinoza reasoned that God and the material world are indistinguishable; the better one understands how the universe works, the closer one comes to God.) Goldstein felt this answer was evidence that Einstein was not an atheist. See Rowe and Schulmann, Einstein on Politics, 17. Einstein Archives 33-272
https://books.google.com/books?id=G_iziBAPXtEC&pg=PA325

Spinoza writes against “those who feign a God, like man, consisting of a body and a mind, and subject to passions. But how far they wander from the true knowledge of God, is sufficiently established by what has already been demonstrated.” Besides being false, such an anthropomorphic conception of God standing as judge over us can have only deleterious effects on human freedom and activity, insofar as it fosters a life enslaved to hope and fear and the superstitions to which such emotions give rise.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/spinoza/

Einstein’s and Spinoza’s God is not the anthropomorphic, fatherly God who cares about humanity. The existence of Covid-19 does not disprove the existence of Einstein's God.

World War II was the deadliest military conflict in history. An estimated total of 70–85 million people perished, which is about 1% of the 2020 world population (est. 7.8 billion). It happens that 1% is also about the death rate for people who catch Covid-19, which makes it no worse than WWII. This is the world where God permits both.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

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Saturday, May 23, 2020 10:29 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

No.

I'm simply pointing out that your opinion about everything is wrong, and Karen's opinion about the virus is wrong.


It's not grandeur. There's no prize to be had here. There's no reason for me to feel accomplished about being right here. It's easy to be right in an argument when you're matching wits with idiots.


Feeling any sense of pride on my part here would be like feeling proud that I successfully wiped my ass after I took a shit this morning.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ixStringJack, you are an Einstein -- intelligent, yet humble, despite being nearly always right.

From The Ultimate Quotable Einstein:
“I believe in Spinoza's God, Who reveals Himself in the lawful harmony of the world, not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and the doings of mankind.”
This was Einstein’s answer to Rabbi Herbert S. Goldstein's telegram, published in the New York Times, April 25,1929. (Spinoza reasoned that God and the material world are indistinguishable; the better one understands how the universe works, the closer one comes to God.) Goldstein felt this answer was evidence that Einstein was not an atheist. See Rowe and Schulmann, Einstein on Politics, 17. Einstein Archives 33-272
https://books.google.com/books?id=G_iziBAPXtEC&pg=PA325

Spinoza writes against “those who feign a God, like man, consisting of a body and a mind, and subject to passions. But how far they wander from the true knowledge of God, is sufficiently established by what has already been demonstrated.” Besides being false, such an anthropomorphic conception of God standing as judge over us can have only deleterious effects on human freedom and activity, insofar as it fosters a life enslaved to hope and fear and the superstitions to which such emotions give rise.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/spinoza/

Einstein’s and Spinoza’s God is not the anthropomorphic, fatherly God who cares about humanity. The existence of Covid-19 does not disprove the existence of Einstein's God.

World War II was the deadliest military conflict in history. An estimated total of 70–85 million people perished, which is about 1% of the 2020 world population (est. 7.8 billion). It happens that 1% is also about the death rate for people who catch Covid-19, which makes it no worse than WWII. This is the world where God permits both.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

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What is the point of this post?

You seem to change your entire thought processes from day to day, hour to hour and minute to minute.

Which Second am I talking to now?

Is this due to the ebb and flow of pharmaceuticals that the doctor has you on?


There is zero substance to any opinion you have on any topic because you have no core values and you are a walking self-contradiction machine.

It leaves us wondering that of all of the people who used to post here vs. the 8 or so that still post, why are we still stuck with you?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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There is zero substance to any opinion you have on any topic because you have no core values and you are a walking self-contradiction machine.

It leaves us wondering that of all of the people who used to post here vs. the 8 or so that still post, why are we still stuck with you?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Heisenberg recollected a conversation among young participants at the 1927 Solvay Conference about Einstein and Planck's views on religion between Wolfgang Pauli, Heisenberg and Dirac. Dirac's contribution was a criticism of the political purpose of religion, which Bohr regarded as quite lucid. Among other things, Dirac said:

I cannot understand why we idle discussing religion. If we are honest—and scientists have to be—we must admit that religion is a jumble of false assertions, with no basis in reality. The very idea of God is a product of the human imagination. It is quite understandable why primitive people, who were so much more exposed to the overpowering forces of nature than we are today, should have personified these forces in fear and trembling. But nowadays, when we understand so many natural processes, we have no need for such solutions. I can't for the life of me see how the postulate of an Almighty God helps us in any way. What I do see is that this assumption leads to such unproductive questions as why God allows so much misery and injustice, the exploitation of the poor by the rich and all the other horrors He might have prevented. If religion is still being taught, it is by no means because its ideas still convince us, but simply because some of us want to keep the lower classes quiet. Quiet people are much easier to govern than clamorous and dissatisfied ones. They are also much easier to exploit. Religion is a kind of opium that allows a nation to lull itself into wishful dreams and so forget the injustices that are being perpetrated against the people. Hence the close alliance between those two great political forces, the State and the Church. Both need the illusion that a kindly God rewards—in heaven if not on earth—all those who have not risen up against injustice, who have done their duty quietly and uncomplainingly. That is precisely why the honest assertion that God is a mere product of the human imagination is branded as the worst of all mortal sins.

More at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Dirac#Religious_views

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Monday, May 25, 2020 9:03 AM

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lol

So... what? You decided to wake up this morning and quote another elitist cunt who thinks he has all of the answers in the universe?

He certainly seemed rather sure of himself. Usually those types hide behind the word "theory" so they have an out when they're wrong.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

So... what? You decided to wake up this morning and quote another elitist cunt who thinks he has all of the answers in the universe?

He certainly seemed rather sure of himself. Usually those types hide behind the word "theory" so they have an out when they're wrong.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, you have made it clear many times that you are the anti-social justice warrior. Both State and Church want you to believe that a kindly God rewards—in heaven if not on earth—all those who have not risen up against injustice, who remain quiet and uncomplaining. That is precisely why the honest assertion that God is a mere product of the human imagination is branded as the worst of all mortal sins.

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Monday, May 25, 2020 10:09 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

So... what? You decided to wake up this morning and quote another elitist cunt who thinks he has all of the answers in the universe?

He certainly seemed rather sure of himself. Usually those types hide behind the word "theory" so they have an out when they're wrong.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, you have made it clear many times that you are the anti-social justice warrior. Both State and Church want you to believe that a kindly God rewards—in heaven if not on earth—all those who have not risen up against injustice, who remain quiet and uncomplaining. That is precisely why the honest assertion that God is a mere product of the human imagination is branded as the worst of all mortal sins.

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Anybody who is sane is anti social justice warrior.



As for religion, everybody has their own. There doesn't have to be a benevolent bearded dude in the clouds and a scary horned demon welcoming you with fire for it to be a religion.

In your religion, Trump is the Devil, Texas Republicans are his minions, FDR is God, SJWs are his warriors and Obama was a Saint.




Do yourself a favor and stop talking to me as if I was a believer. I'm not.

I'm just disgusted by people who think they have all of the answers to life and of things they couldn't ever possibly know while sharing the same oxygen I breathe.



I do believe in karma though. You're just about due to be fucked after all the fucking you've done to get where you are.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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In your religion, Trump is the Devil, Texas Republicans are his minions, . . .

Bush and Trump are fools. One quick example: Bush killed 1 nuclear treaty, Trump killed 3 and he is building more nukes. Republican Presidents depend on God to protect them from their own dangerous decisions:

1) On 13 December 2001, George W. Bush gave Russia notice of the United States' withdrawal from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty.

2) New START
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_START#Future
Vladimir Putin inquired about extending New START. President Trump attacked the treaty, claiming that it favored Russia and was "one of several bad deals negotiated by the Obama administration".

3) Open Skies
www.nytimes.com/2020/05/21/us/politics/trump-open-skies-treaty-arms-co
ntrol.html

President Trump has decided to withdraw from another major arms control accord, he and other officials said Thursday, and will inform Russia that the United States is pulling out of the Open Skies Treaty, negotiated three decades ago.

4) Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/08/02/what-does-the-demise-of-the-i-n-f
-treaty-mean-for-nuclear-arms-control-intermediate-nuclear-forces-new-start-strategic-arms-limitation-nonproliferation-trump-russia-arms-control-explained
/
The U.S. military is seeking funding and authorization to begin developing intermediate-range missiles that otherwise would have been barred by the INF Treaty.

Trump says US will beat out Russia and China with 'super duper missile'
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/15/super-duper-missile-us-trump-m
ilitary

“You take the fastest missile we have right now,” Trump said. “You heard Russia has five times and China’s working on five or six times, we have one 17 times and it’s just got the go-ahead.” God knows what an idiot Trump is.

“Three years after entering office, the Trump administration lacks a coherent set of goals, a strategy to achieve them, or the personnel or effective policy process to address the most complex set of nuclear risks in US history,” a group of arms control experts wrote in a report this month by the disarmament group, Global Zero. “Put simply, the current US administration is blundering toward nuclear chaos with potentially disastrous consequences.”
www.globalzero.org/blundering-toward-nuclear-chaos-2020/

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In your religion, Trump is the Devil, Texas Republicans are his minions, . . .

Bush and Trump are fools.




Yeah. You say that... but tomorrow, or quite possibly even some time today you're going to talk about how evil he is from the other side of your mouth.


He can't be an evil fascist overlord and be an idiot at the same time whenever it suits your ever-shifting narrative and core beliefs.


Pick one.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Yeah. You say that... but tomorrow, or quite possibly even some time today you're going to talk about how evil he is from the other side of your mouth.


He can't be an evil fascist overlord and be an idiot at the same time whenever it suits your ever-shifting narrative and core beliefs.


Pick one.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

A leader can be more than one thing. For example: Adolph Hitler was the Allies' secret weapon against . . . Germany.

Hitler’s seemingly unerring political, military, and diplomatic judgment fed a messianic conviction of his invincibility. When mixed with dictatorial power and a growing propensity to react to strategic differences with towering rages, the result proved a fatal brew—one that had the ironic effect over time of turning Hitler into one of the Allies’ most effective weapons. At almost every point where an important decision was required, the Nazi leader could be counted on to make the one that inadvertently benefited the Allied cause, and helped to doom his own. A complete catalog of Hitler’s failures as a war chief could fill a thick volume; a dubious honor roll of the worst of them follows:

www.historynet.com/hitlers-greatest-blunders.htm/3

Also www.google.com/search?q=Hitler's+blunders+during+WWII

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