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Oh look, ANOTHER thing that Russians didn't do! (Skripal poisoning)

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Sunday, August 2, 2020 4:18 PM

SIGNYM

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Austria officially confirmed this week that the British Government’s allegation that Novichok, a Russian chemical warfare agent, was used in England by GRU, the Russian military intelligence service, in March 2018, was a British invention.

Investigations in Vienna by four Austrian government ministries, the BVT intelligence agency, and by Austrian prosecutors have revealed that secret OPCW reports on the blood testing of Sergei and Yulia Skripal, copies of which were transferred to the Austrian government, did not reveal a Russian-made nerve agent.

Two reports, published in Vienna this week by the OE media group and reporter Isabelle Daniel, reveal that the Financial Times publication of the cover-page of one of the OPCW reports exposed a barcode identifying the source of the leaked documents was the Austrian government. The Austrian Foreign Ministry and the Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz und Terrorismusbekämpfung (BVT), the domestic intelligence agency equivalent to MI5 or FBI, have corroborated the authenticity of the documents.

The Austrian disclosures also reveal that in London the Financial Times editor, Roula Khalaf, four of the newspaper’s reporters, and the management of the Japanese-owned company have fabricated a false and misleading version of the OPCW evidence and have covered up British government lying on the Skripal blood testing and the Novichok evidence.

On Wednesday afternoon this week, OE24, a news portal of the OE media group in Vienna, broke the first story (lead image, right) that the barcode found on the OPCW document photograph published in London had been traced to several Austrian state ministries. The next day, OE political editor Isabelle Daniel reported the Austrian Foreign, Defence and Economics Ministries had received copies of the barcoded OPCW dossier, and that the Justice Ministry and prosecutors were investigating “potential moles”.

Daniel also quoted a Foreign Ministry source as saying its copy of the documents had been securely stored in its disarmament department safe, and that there were “no tips” the leak had come from there. Daniel also quoted a BVT spokesman as confirming the authenticity of the OPCW file had been verified. “We have checked it recently. Officially it has not come to us.”

The leak had been an “explosive secret betrayal” and a criminal investigation was under way, OE24 reported. OE is a privately owned Austrian media group, based in Vienna. It publishes a newspaper, the news portal OE.at, radio and television.

The Financial Times report first exposing the OPCW documents appeared on July 9. Details of how the newspaper fabricated the interpretation the OPCW had corroborated Russian involvement in the Novichok attack can be read here.

At an OPCW Executive Council meeting on April 14, 2018, five weeks after the Skripal attack, the British Government confirmed that a few days earlier “all States parties” had received copies of the OPCW dossier. This included Austria, as the Viennese sources now acknowledge.

Source: https://www.opcw.org/

“The OPCW responded promptly to our request to send their experts to the United Kingdom,” declared Peter Wilson, the British representative to the OPCW on April 14, 2018. “They conducted a highly professional mission. The OPCW’s designated laboratories have also responded professionally and promptly. What the Director-General said was really important on this, and the Technical Secretariat’s presentation shows how professional that work was. The report the Technical Secretariat presented to us on 11 April was thorough and methodical. The Technical Secretariat responded quickly to our request to share that report with all States Parties. All have had the chance to see the quality of that work.”

Wilson went on to say: “As you know, on 4 March Yulia and Sergei Skripal were poisoned in Salisbury, the United Kingdom, with a chemical weapon, which United Kingdom experts established to be a Novichok. OPCW has now clearly verified those findings.”

The Austrian copy of the OPCW file now confirms this was a misrepresentation of the chemical formula and other evidence the OPCW had gathered.


Wilson went on to conclude: “the identification of the nerve agent used is an essential piece of technical evidence in our investigation, neither DSTL’s [Defence Science and Technology Laboratory at Porton Down] analysis, nor the OPCW’s report, identifies the country or laboratory of origin of the agent used in this attack. So let me also set out the wider picture, which leads the United Kingdom to assess that there is no plausible alternative explanation for what happened in Salisbury than Russian State responsibility. We believe that only the Russian Federation had the technical means, operational experience, and the motive to target the Skripals.”

The first qualifying sentence was the British truth; the conclusion was the British lie. The Austrian evidence now verifies there was no evidence of a Russian source in the blood and other test samples; no evidence of Novichok; and no evidence to corroborate the British allegations of a Russian chemical warfare attack.
MORE AT http://johnhelmer.net/austria-confirms-opcw-report-on-skripal-faking-b
y-the-british-vienna-exposes-financial-times-lies-and-cover-up
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Sunday, August 2, 2020 4:23 PM

SIGNYM

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Of course, the M$M won't cover the story, just as they didn't cover the story that OPCW technical staff blew the whistle on the (falsified) "Assad gassed his own people" story, nor is the M$M covering the story that Crowdstrike and the FBI and the Senate were publicly saying that "Russia hacked the DNC servers", even after Crowdstrike had privately testified to Congress that they had found NO SUCH EVIDENCE on the DNC servers of Russian malware. (Goodbye Fancy Bear!) And everyone (BUT YOU) knew that the "Steele dossier" was a made-up crock of shit.

They're fooling you, folks. These aren't "mistakes", they're deliberate lies because the people who are furthering and publishing these stories know the truth. They're just keeping YOU in the dark.

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Sunday, August 2, 2020 6:49 PM

1KIKI

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Thanks for posting this.

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Sunday, August 2, 2020 10:05 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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They report on Covid every day though. It must be working. Same outfits that lied about Russiagate for years and cover this up have you wearing a mask and fearing for your life.


But hey. That's cool. We'll just pick and choose what we're going to believe in.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, August 2, 2020 10:24 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


The big difference between Skripal and COVID-19 is that for Skripal there was no EVIDENCE - all there was was government proclamation.

With COVID-19 there's evidence coming in from all parties public and private from around the globe.

I follow EVIDENCE.

And you?



Putting you on 'ignore'.

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Sunday, August 2, 2020 11:52 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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What I meant to say was they reported on Covid every day...

Except for the first two weeks that the BLM protests started and it wasn't mentioned at all for a while there.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, August 3, 2020 3:10 AM

SIGNYM

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SIX, I know the M$Mers are a bunch of lying shitholes. You can discard 90% of what they report, and what they DON'T report is almost always more important than what they do.

But once in a while they stumble onto something real. It's up to you to figure out what's what.

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Monday, August 3, 2020 11:02 AM

THG


Again comrade sig posts bullshit to benefit comrade Putin. One paragraph folks is all I needed to check in my attempt to verify her claims. These are the links she got the text from. Not the link she posted, which has nothing to do with the text she claims comes from there. Nothing at all. Instead, the text comes from Russian propaganda news sites.

Fuck you comrade sig, go dance with Bears...


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“The OPCW responded promptly to our request to send their experts to the United Kingdom,” declared Peter Wilson, the British representative to the OPCW on April 14, 2018. “They conducted a highly professional mission. The OPCW’s designated laboratories have also responded professionally and promptly. What the Director-General said was really important on this, and the Technical Secretariat’s presentation shows how professional that work was. The report the Technical Secretariat presented to us on 11 April was thorough and methodical. The Technical Secretariat responded quickly to our request to share that report with all States Parties. All have had the chance to see the quality of that work.”
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Austria officially confirmed this week that the British Government’s allegation that Novichok, a Russian chemical warfare agent, was used in England by GRU, the Russian military intelligence service, in March 2018, was a British invention.

Investigations in Vienna by four Austrian government ministries, the BVT intelligence agency, and by Austrian prosecutors have revealed that secret OPCW reports on the blood testing of Sergei and Yulia Skripal, copies of which were transferred to the Austrian government, did not reveal a Russian-made nerve agent.

Two reports, published in Vienna this week by the OE media group and reporter Isabelle Daniel, reveal that the Financial Times publication of the cover-page of one of the OPCW reports exposed a barcode identifying the source of the leaked documents was the Austrian government. The Austrian Foreign Ministry and the Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz und Terrorismusbekämpfung (BVT), the domestic intelligence agency equivalent to MI5 or FBI, have corroborated the authenticity of the documents.

The Austrian disclosures also reveal that in London the Financial Times editor, Roula Khalaf, four of the newspaper’s reporters, and the management of the Japanese-owned company have fabricated a false and misleading version of the OPCW evidence and have covered up British government lying on the Skripal blood testing and the Novichok evidence.

On Wednesday afternoon this week, OE24, a news portal of the OE media group in Vienna, broke the first story (lead image, right) that the barcode found on the OPCW document photograph published in London had been traced to several Austrian state ministries. The next day, OE political editor Isabelle Daniel reported the Austrian Foreign, Defence and Economics Ministries had received copies of the barcoded OPCW dossier, and that the Justice Ministry and prosecutors were investigating “potential moles”.

Daniel also quoted a Foreign Ministry source as saying its copy of the documents had been securely stored in its disarmament department safe, and that there were “no tips” the leak had come from there. Daniel also quoted a BVT spokesman as confirming the authenticity of the OPCW file had been verified. “We have checked it recently. Officially it has not come to us.”

The leak had been an “explosive secret betrayal” and a criminal investigation was under way, OE24 reported. OE is a privately owned Austrian media group, based in Vienna. It publishes a newspaper, the news portal OE.at, radio and television.

The Financial Times report first exposing the OPCW documents appeared on July 9. Details of how the newspaper fabricated the interpretation the OPCW had corroborated Russian involvement in the Novichok attack can be read here.

At an OPCW Executive Council meeting on April 14, 2018, five weeks after the Skripal attack, the British Government confirmed that a few days earlier “all States parties” had received copies of the OPCW dossier. This included Austria, as the Viennese sources now acknowledge.

Source: https://www.opcw.org/

“The OPCW responded promptly to our request to send their experts to the United Kingdom,” declared Peter Wilson, the British representative to the OPCW on April 14, 2018. “They conducted a highly professional mission. The OPCW’s designated laboratories have also responded professionally and promptly. What the Director-General said was really important on this, and the Technical Secretariat’s presentation shows how professional that work was. The report the Technical Secretariat presented to us on 11 April was thorough and methodical. The Technical Secretariat responded quickly to our request to share that report with all States Parties. All have had the chance to see the quality of that work.”

Wilson went on to say: “As you know, on 4 March Yulia and Sergei Skripal were poisoned in Salisbury, the United Kingdom, with a chemical weapon, which United Kingdom experts established to be a Novichok. OPCW has now clearly verified those findings.”

The Austrian copy of the OPCW file now confirms this was a misrepresentation of the chemical formula and other evidence the OPCW had gathered.


Wilson went on to conclude: “the identification of the nerve agent used is an essential piece of technical evidence in our investigation, neither DSTL’s [Defence Science and Technology Laboratory at Porton Down] analysis, nor the OPCW’s report, identifies the country or laboratory of origin of the agent used in this attack. So let me also set out the wider picture, which leads the United Kingdom to assess that there is no plausible alternative explanation for what happened in Salisbury than Russian State responsibility. We believe that only the Russian Federation had the technical means, operational experience, and the motive to target the Skripals.”

The first qualifying sentence was the British truth; the conclusion was the British lie. The Austrian evidence now verifies there was no evidence of a Russian source in the blood and other test samples; no evidence of Novichok; and no evidence to corroborate the British allegations of a Russian chemical warfare attack.
MORE AT http://johnhelmer.net/austria-confirms-opcw-report-on-skripal-faking-b
y-the-british-vienna-exposes-financial-times-lies-and-cover-up/




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Monday, August 3, 2020 11:16 AM

THG


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Britain Blames Moscow for Poisoning of Former Russian Spy

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/12/world/europe/uk-russia-spy-poisonin
g.html






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Monday, August 3, 2020 1:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SIX, I know the M$Mers are a bunch of lying shitholes. You can discard 90% of what they report, and what they DON'T report is almost always more important than what they do.

But once in a while they stumble onto something real. It's up to you to figure out what's what.



And that's an objective decision.


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I will not.


Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, August 3, 2020 2:02 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Monday, August 3, 2020 2:13 PM

SIGNYM

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Britain blames Russia... even as OPCW DID NOT FIND "RUSSIAN" POISON

The Brits lie too, mate.

Or were you unaware that Britain was the source of the original "intelligence" that Saddam had WMD, and that Christopher Steele is British? (BTW that's why some Brits started referring to their then Prime Minister as Tony Bliar instead of Tony Blair.)

CIA and MI6 collude. When our spooks need a narrative but can't be seen as the origin they ask MI6 to come up with it, giving it a sheen of credibility

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Monday, August 3, 2020 2:58 PM

THG


It appears I've upset comrades kiki and sig again, by my once more exposing what they post to be bullshit. Oh well...

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Monday, August 3, 2020 3:10 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


How about responding to facts with facts, instead of libel, THUGGER?

OE media group and reporter Isabelle Daniel - not Russian.


https://www.oe24.at/tv

https://www.oe24.at/tv/news/oesterreich-politik-insiderin-isabelle-dan
iel-ueber-puehringer/268464536


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Monday, August 3, 2020 3:52 PM

THG


No need to follow a link you provide comrade kiki. As I've posted. Follow sigs supposed link, https://www.opcw.org/ ,and you'll see what she claims is there, is not.

Follow the links that I proved based on an internet search engine seeking out the text I proved, and you find sigs article the way she posted it. If I'm wrong, why are you trying to get me to follow a link other than sigs?

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Monday, August 3, 2020 4:00 PM

SIGNYM

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Son, could you possibly be MORE stupid? The OPCW (last I checked, not Russian) information on the Skripal poisoning was kept secret, and was only revealed accidentally. It was reported by the FT (Financial Times of London. Last I checked, not Russian) and confirmed by Austria (last I checked, not Russian)

You're a great example of what not to do: Deny facts and maintain delusion.

Keep posting, son. Someone will learn something of value from it, just not you.

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Monday, August 3, 2020 4:23 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Son, could you possibly be MORE stupid? The OPCW (last I checked, not Russian) information on the Skripal poisoning was kept secret, and was only revealed accidentally. It was reported by the FT (Financial Times of London. Last I checked, not Russian) and confirmed by Austria (last I checked, not Russian)

You're a great example of what not to do: Deny facts and maintain delusion.

Keep posting, son. Someone will learn something of value from it, just not you.




Oops, Sigs upset. That said comrade, says who. I've already debunked this claim. But, I'll tell you what. Go to the London times and cut and paste the part of the story that excoriates Russia in a post here. Good luck...

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Monday, August 3, 2020 4:37 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

THUGR: I've already debunked this claim
Oh, you mean you've repeated the [old] lie that has been shown to be false by recently revealed internal documents?

Yep!

Now, tell me again how Trump "colluded" with Russia. Go back to the earliest NYT/WaPo/MSNBC reportage and tell me all about it!


Jeezus, you're stupid.

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Monday, August 3, 2020 4:53 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quote:

THUGR: I've already debunked this claim
Oh, you mean you've repeated the [old]lie that has been shown to be false by recently revealed internal documents?

Yep!

Now, tell me again how Trump "colluded" with Russia. Go back to the earliest NYT/WaPo/MSNBC reportage and tell me all about it!






Come on comrade. It should be easy for you to produce the part of the London times article absolving Russia of responsibility. I believe if you could you would, instead of deflecting.

So, come on comrade sig. Produce the section of the article that absolves Russia of the poisoning. Hey, get comrade kiki to help.

Oops, another one of your bullshit Russian propaganda threads shot to shit by facts. What a shame aye comrade?

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Monday, August 3, 2020 5:09 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
But, I'll tell you what. Go to the London times ...

snicker

I'll tell YOU what. Do an 'edit' find' 'london times' on this entire page and find that reference!!!

I'll wait.

Jeeze louise what a stupid piece of lying crap you are.

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Monday, August 3, 2020 5:16 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
But, I'll tell you what. Go to the London times ...

snicker

I'll tell YOU what. Do an 'edit' find' 'london times' on this entire page and find that reference!!!

I'll wait.

Jeeze louise what a stupid piece of lying crap you are.



Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Son, could you possibly be MORE stupid? The OPCW (last I checked, not Russian) information on the Skripal poisoning was kept secret, and was only revealed accidentally. It was reported by the FT (Financial Times of London. Last I checked, not Russian) and confirmed by Austria (last I checked, not Russian)

You're a great example of what not to do: Deny facts and maintain delusion.

Keep posting, son. Someone will learn something of value from it, just not you.




Why don't you two stop deflecting and produce the document absolving Russia of the poisoning? As you claim in the title of the thread "Oh look, ANOTHER thing that Russians didn't do! (Skripal poisoning)."

Come on comrades, it's stated in the title of the thread for Christ's sake. Produce the documentation.

If you're going to call someone stupid, you better be on the winning side of the facts assholes.



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Monday, August 3, 2020 5:29 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
If you're going to call someone stupid, you better be on the winning side of the facts assholes.

Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
OE media group and reporter Isabelle Daniel - not Russian.


https://www.oe24.at/tv

https://www.oe24.at/tv/news/oesterreich-politik-insiderin-isabelle-dan
iel-ueber-puehringer/268464536



Yep you're STILL a stupid lying piece of crap, THUGGER.

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Monday, August 3, 2020 5:35 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So while we're at it -
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
But, I'll tell you what. Go to the London times ...

snicker

I'll tell YOU what. Do an 'edit' find' 'london times' on this entire page and find that reference!!!

I'll wait.

Jeeze louise what a stupid piece of lying crap you are.

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Monday, August 3, 2020 5:49 PM

THG


It's the financial London times, but you know that. You’re just playing your game, trying to save face.

So, the title of the thread absolves Russia of the poisonings. You have had a short run of enjoying yourselves until I showed up and called your bluff. Spanked you for lying and starting another Russian propaganda thread.

All you need do to spank me is produce the evidence of Putin and Russia’s absolvement in the poisonings. That sounds fair don't you think comrade?


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Monday, August 3, 2020 5:50 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


The allegation that Russia poisoned the Skripals was based on the "fact" that the poison was one that Russia had researched and had the capability to produce. The allegation made is sound as if Russia was the exclusive source of this poison. The OPCW did not find evidence of this particular poison.

Quote:

“As you know, on 4 March Yulia and Sergei Skripal were poisoned in Salisbury, the United Kingdom, with a chemical weapon, which United Kingdom experts established to be a Novichok. OPCW has now clearly verified those findings.”

PLEASE READ THIS CAREFULLY

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The Austrian copy of the OPCW file now confirms this was a misrepresentation of the chemical formula and other evidence the OPCW had gathered.


ALSO, THE BRITS THEMSELVES SAID THAT THE POISON ID WAS AN "ESSENTIAL PIECE" OF EVIDENCE

Quote:

Wilson went on to conclude: “the identification of the nerve agent used is an essential piece of technical evidence in our investigation, neither DSTL’s [Defence Science and Technology Laboratory at Porton Down] analysis, nor the OPCW’s report, identifies the country or laboratory of origin of the agent used in this attack. So let me also set out the wider picture, which leads the United Kingdom to assess that there is no plausible alternative explanation for what happened in Salisbury than Russian State responsibility. We believe that only the Russian Federation had the technical means, operational experience, and the motive to target the Skripals.”


ALSO

Quote:

The first qualifying sentence was the British truth; the conclusion was the British lie. The Austrian evidence now verifies there was no evidence of a Russian source in the blood and other test samples; no evidence of Novichok; and no evidence to corroborate the British allegations of a Russian chemical warfare attack.


So, if you're relying on an essential piece of evidence to make your case, and that essential piece proves to be false (or to have been falsified) then your case falls apart. That what "essential" means: it must be present. QED

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Monday, August 3, 2020 5:54 PM

THG


Yep, you two Russian trolls will post every possible angle and spin you can think of. What you won't and can't do, is provide any documents proving you aren't lying.

Been here done this before. Thanks for this little bit of fun comrades. We really must do this again sometime. Oh yeah, you need to change the title of this propaganda thread to Putin, Russia guilty of poisonings.


T


Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

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Monday, August 3, 2020 6:00 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Even Porton Down refused to identify the source as Russian.

Porton Down experts unable to verify precise source of novichok
The Guardian

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=62303&p=X

https://orientalreview.org/2018/03/28/salisbury-incident-hard-evidence
-for-soft-minds
/
https://www.siouxlandproud.com/news/us-uk-clash-with-russia-at-opcw-ov
er-new-investigative-team/1606587275

https://www.tristatehomepage.com/news/russian-challenge-to-chemical-we
apons-watchdog-rejected/1608619236

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/novichok-victims-sergei-yulia-sk
ripal-13713851

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/03/porton-down-experts-un
able-to-verify-precise-source-of-novichok
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-19/porton-down-scientists-under
-extreme-pressure-confirm-nerve-gas-russian

http://www.atimes.com/article/russia-exposes-british-lies-skripal-trai
l-leads-us
/


And yep you're STILL a stupid lying piece of crap, THUGGER.

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Monday, August 3, 2020 6:14 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




OE media group and reporter Isabelle Daniel - not Russian.


https://www.oe24.at/tv

https://www.oe24.at/tv/news/oesterreich-politik-insiderin-isabelle-dan
iel-ueber-puehringer/268464536


And yep you're STILL a stupid lying piece of crap, THUGGER.

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Monday, August 3, 2020 7:14 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Yep, you two Russian trolls will post every possible angle and spin you can think of. What you won't and can't do, is provide any documents proving you aren't lying.

Been here done this before. Thanks for this little bit of fun comrades. We really must do this again sometime. Oh yeah, you need to change the title of this propaganda thread to Putin, Russia guilty of poisonings. <

Thanks for the libel, THUGR. But it's not me saying this, it's the Austrian government and the Financial Times (of London)


Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Monday, August 3, 2020 7:19 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Yep, you two Russian trolls will post every possible angle and spin you can think of. What you won't and can't do, is provide any documents proving you aren't lying.

Been here done this before. Thanks for this little bit of fun comrades. We really must do this again sometime. Oh yeah, you need to change the title of this propaganda thread to Putin, Russia guilty of poisonings. <

. Thanks for the libel, THUGR. But it's not me saying this, it's the Austrian government and the Financial Times (of London)




This is just too simple. Post the part of the article that states Putin and Russia aren't responsible for the poisonings. Because as it stands the evidence shows they did it. And no, I'm not going to dig up all the evidence we've seen in real time exposing Putin. As for England the United States and most others, this is a done deal. Have links to post. Keep them unless you can post a paragraph stating Putin and Russia's' innocence.

Putin, Russia guilty comrade.

T


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Monday, August 3, 2020 7:53 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



BTW THUGGER, I am keeping track of your and RF's libelous posts. Not here, but elsewhere.

I can post them here if you like. You might like to see your record of how hard you're volunteering for a lawsuit. And I hope your trust in the people who promised to make good on your legal expenses turns out to be justified.

But considering how stupid and gullible you are, it probably isn't.



Always eager to be the fall-guy, eh THUGGER?

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Monday, August 3, 2020 8:04 PM

THG


Again with the bullshit deflection. Keep track of this comrade. You and comrade sig do nothing but lie. Which is why you can't produce any documents exonerating Putin.

Recently in a post to Jack sig told him she believes 90% or more of mainstream media was fake news. You guys both rate on the nuts scale as a 10 out of 10. Really, you're both as paranoid as Jack and as nuts to boot.

T


Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

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Monday, August 3, 2020 9:30 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


The "evidence", especially the "essential" part, has been eliminated by the OPCW.

It's like all of the "evidence" that Trump colluded with Russia, or that Saddam had WMD: It evaporated. It's gone. There is no evidence there, just lies and bullshit.

But if you want to stand by lies and bullshit and keep spreading them here, that's your problem not mine

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Monday, August 3, 2020 9:39 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Let's end this discussion on a high note - of facts.

Even Porton Down refused to identify the source as Russian.

Porton Down experts unable to verify precise source of novichok
The Guardian

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=62303&p=X

https://orientalreview.org/2018/03/28/salisbury-incident-hard-evidence
-for-soft-minds
/
https://www.siouxlandproud.com/news/us-uk-clash-with-russia-at-opcw-ov
er-new-investigative-team/1606587275

https://www.tristatehomepage.com/news/russian-challenge-to-chemical-we
apons-watchdog-rejected/1608619236

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/novichok-victims-sergei-yulia-sk
ripal-13713851

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/03/porton-down-experts-un
able-to-verify-precise-source-of-novichok
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-19/porton-down-scientists-under
-extreme-pressure-confirm-nerve-gas-russian

http://www.atimes.com/article/russia-exposes-british-lies-skripal-trai
l-leads-us
/

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Monday, August 3, 2020 9:40 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




Let's end this discussion on a high note - of facts.

OE media group and reporter Isabelle Daniel - not Russian.


https://www.oe24.at/tv

https://www.oe24.at/tv/news/oesterreich-politik-insiderin-isabelle-dan
iel-ueber-puehringer/268464536

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