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The Ongoing Perpetual Wuhan Coronavirus Scare, Lockdown, Unemployment and Corruption
Friday, February 26, 2021 5:55 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Sure. They ACTUALLY died of cancer in 2020. But the cause of death was listed as Covid-19. Every Time.
Friday, February 26, 2021 7:20 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Friday, February 26, 2021 11:02 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Sure. They ACTUALLY died of cancer in 2020. But the cause of death was listed as Covid-19. Every Time. The biggest problem I have with the stories floating around is that people who 'believe' or 'disbelieve' 'the numbers' don't know where the numbers are coming from. And they attach many different stories to the numbers without knowing if those stories apply, or even if they make sense. ----- One story is that hospitals inflate 'the numbers' of COVID-19 deaths because COVID-19 patients get extra government reimbursement. So a COVID-19 cause of death represents income to the hospital. Whether a person who comes in to a hospital is treated for COVID-19 pneumonia or for a broken leg - a person who tests COVID-19 positive has to be treated like a person who tests COVID-19 positive. People need to come in to the room with all the required PPE for COVID-19, patients need to be isolated from non-COVID-19 patients, and COVID-19 disinfection and protection procedures need to be followed for everything from cleaning the room to throwing out the trash to washing the linens. Any hospital patient who tests positive for COVID-19 needs extra precaution procedures, supplies, equipment, and facilities due simply to their COVID-19 infection, whether they have COVID-19 pneumonia or a broken leg. So extra reimbursement makes sense for ALL COVID-19 positive hospital patients. But the story the numbers skeptics tell goes further. It says that hospitals count any COVID-19 positive DEATH as a COVID-19 death, whether or not it was due to COVID-19 or not ... because ... reimbursement. But the hospital doesn't get reimbursed on the basis of 'cause of death' - it gets reimbursed on the basis of COVID-19 diagnosis. So it makes no sense that a hospital would fudge its COVID-19 death numbers in order to get more money for treatment. That ship has already sailed. And lastly for the hospital-inflated-numbers story, it's fallacy to claim that 'the numbers' are inflated hospital numbers if you don't actually know that those numbers came from hospitals. And people who dismiss 'the numbers' as hospital-inflated can't show that those numbers came from hospitals. ----- Then there's the story that 'the numbers' of deaths are coming from insurance companies, and that they're inflated. But that makes even less sense than the claim that hospitals are providing inflated death numbers. Aside from all the considerations that apply to hospitals: anyone who tests positive for COVID-19 needs to be treated differently than someone who doesn't, payment for treatment has no bearing on assigning cause of death, and nobody can point to insurance numbers as the source of the statistics, insurance companies have zero incentive to maximize 'the numbers' and every incentive to minimize them, since a COVID-19 diagnosis means an increased payout from them, and less profit. Why would insurance companies want to make themselves LESS profitable? They wouldn't. ----- And for the US, there's the story that death certificates are being systematically fudged. And that makes the least sense of all for US numbers. There are hundreds of thousands of doctors, ME's, coroners, and pathologists with no ties to any vested economic interests, and everything to lose (like their licenses and their jobs) who are the people solely empowered to assign cause of death on the death certificate. And then they sign their name to the death certificate as the person who wrote it. Aside from the fact that there is literally no reason at all to fudge the cause of death - because a COVID-19 cause of death is neither a potential nor actual income or loss to anybody, least of all the people who write out death certificates - how does one wrangle hundreds of thousands of independent people to fudge the cause of death and risk losing their profession? In addition, another related story is that all these hundreds of thousands of doctors, ME's, coroners, and pathologists are so vastly incompetent that they can't tell a death from a broken leg apart from a death from COVID-19, or a death from diabetes from a death from COVID-19, or a death from 'obesity' (and just like 'old age' no one ever died from 'obesity', they died from a definitive cause) from a death from COVID-19. So when it comes to internal US numbers, this story makes the least sense of all. ------ The REAL US numbers will be put out by the CDC, but that'll take literally years - roughly 2, if they keep to their normal timetable. At that point the CDC people will have purchased all of the nation's death certificates for 2020, compiled them, entered the information into a database, verified and validated the data, run the statistics, checked their calculations ... and released their official report. Until then, unless you know at the very least the actual source of the numbers you quote or dispute (ie don't claim they were from 'hospitals' unless you know for a fact they're hospital-generated numbers), you really don't have a factual basis for your opinions.
Saturday, February 27, 2021 12:18 AM
Saturday, February 27, 2021 12:19 AM
Quote:Are you claiming that covid reimbursement is not based upon positive test result (sometimes days later, and days after discharge) for a facility?
Quote:The covid death after decapitation in an accident: you are saying the person was driving their car while in the hospital? Otherwise the death had to be declared covid to reap the $13,000 of covid pay.
Quote: The hospitals having patients retested every day so they can boost the covid count each day for 9 days
Saturday, February 27, 2021 12:27 AM
Quote:You're just believing corrupt government agencies and corrupt media companies that you already know lie to you about literally everything else.
Saturday, February 27, 2021 7:47 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Jack - links or it didn't happen
Saturday, February 27, 2021 1:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:Are you claiming that covid reimbursement is not based upon positive test result (sometimes days later, and days after discharge) for a facility? Well, now you're doing a SECOND and 'responding' to things that are the exact opposite of what I posted. I said that hospital reimbursement WAS based on COVID-19 test results, but that it WASN'T based on DEATH CERTIFICATES.
Quote: Quote:The covid death after decapitation in an accident: you are saying the person was driving their car while in the hospital? Otherwise the death had to be declared covid to reap the $13,000 of covid pay. I also said in detail that all persons diagnosed with COVID-19 had to be treated with all the same precautions no matter if they had a broken leg or COVID-19 pneumonia, and so a COVID-19 diagnosis warranted extra reimbursement.
Saturday, February 27, 2021 6:28 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Saturday, February 27, 2021 11:55 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:Are you claiming that covid reimbursement is not based upon positive test result (sometimes days later, and days after discharge) for a facility? Well, now you're doing a SECOND and 'responding' to things that are the exact opposite of what I posted. I said that hospital reimbursement WAS based on COVID-19 test results, but that it WASN'T based on DEATH CERTIFICATES. No, I was going by what you saidQuote: Quote:The covid death after decapitation in an accident: you are saying the person was driving their car while in the hospital? Otherwise the death had to be declared covid to reap the $13,000 of covid pay. I also said in detail that all persons diagnosed with COVID-19 had to be treated with all the same precautions no matter if they had a broken leg or COVID-19 pneumonia, and so a COVID-19 diagnosis warranted extra reimbursement.
Sunday, February 28, 2021 12:26 AM
Sunday, February 28, 2021 12:45 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: I'd be happy to discuss any EVIDENCE or LOGIC you might bring that's on topic!
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Saturday, March 6, 2021 1:47 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Everybody hear that Prince Philip and the Queen had gotten their Vaccine shots on 9 Jan? https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55602007 In completely unrelated news: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/prince-philip-spend-second-weekend-131015933.html It is just a coincidence. Really. For Sure.
Saturday, March 6, 2021 1:49 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:... Georgia Senate hearings featured Jovan Pulitzer, who demonstrated live during the hearing that Georgia Voting Machines were connected to the internet, sending and receiving data during LIVE Voting. And yet despite the many observed anomalies, nobody seems on-board with having a stellar group of academics study the results for anomalies/ impossibilities, like the CalTech/ MIT Vote Project recommends. BTW, the original study that showed 2004 was jinked was commissioned by a private non-partisan group with one goal in mind: study the 2004 vote. It brought together academics to look at the vote statistics as were available at the time, and evaluate them statistically. (Mitofsky Report). No politicians or political parties were involved: they didn't request it, they didn't acknowledged it, and they certainly didn't act on it. And after the report was written, the group dissolved. And in 16 years, nothing has changed, despite the Vote Project of CalTech/ MIT which was a follow-up ongoing effort to put the US vote on solid ground. Making a point of ignoring how the vote occurs is a long-historied, concerted, bipartisan effort to shield unaccountable black-box voting. So let's hear it for our democracy! and its mystery-votes!
Quote:... Georgia Senate hearings featured Jovan Pulitzer, who demonstrated live during the hearing that Georgia Voting Machines were connected to the internet, sending and receiving data during LIVE Voting.
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SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: About 3 weeks ago, TX announced it was opening, and no more Mask requirements. Since then, hospitalizations and cases have taken a nosedive. But NY and NJ have massive spikes.
Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:01 PM
Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: About 3 weeks ago, TX announced it was opening, and no more Mask requirements. Since then, hospitalizations and cases have taken a nosedive. But NY and NJ have massive spikes.Too bad that data does not show "massive spikes" or "a nosedive" you say it shows: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/texas/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/new-york/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/new-jersey/
Tuesday, April 6, 2021 2:42 PM
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Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: All the old and sick people who died from their comorbitities already died. And the Legacy Media loves it a Democrat. They went with the nuclear option to make sure Trump didn't win. They put everyone through hell for the entire year of 2020 and then destroyed election integrity to ensure Biden* won*.
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