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Enivornmentalists Destroyed California's Forests

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Thursday, September 10, 2020 11:27 PM

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Friday, September 11, 2020 2:26 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Maybe they are proving that they are right by using the same models they used for Global Warming and Covid-19.

Aren't we supposed to have like 3 Million dead of Covid by now?

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Friday, September 11, 2020 2:55 PM

REAVERFAN


Jesus...

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Friday, September 11, 2020 8:57 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Jesus...




I know, right?

Marcos is laughing because he knows that his Antifa buddies are actually the ones that are destroying the California forests.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, September 11, 2020 10:44 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
https://amgreatness.com/2020/09/09/environmentalists-destroyed-califor
nias-forests
/

Whoopsie!

A quote from your article written by the Republican Party: "When these firefighter unions could have been pushing for legislation to clear the forests back in 2019, where instead did their leftist leadership direct their activist efforts? They marched in solidarity with the striking United Teachers of Los Angeles. The teachers’ unions have done to California’s public schools what environmentalists have done to California’s forests."

You can't trust this source since other stories it is running today are:

1) Trump Has Had a Historically Great First Term (What a load of crap)
https://amgreatness.com/2020/09/10/trump-has-had-a-historically-great-
first-term
/

2) Trump Nominated For Nobel Peace Prize 2nd Time This Week (by a Neo-Nazi)
https://amgreatness.com/2020/09/11/trump-nominated-for-nobel-peace-pri
ze-2nd-time-this-week-following-serbia-kosovo-peace-deal
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, September 11, 2020 11:22 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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I can't trust this source because I'm a TDS suffering, American hating cunt that needs Rachel Maddow to think for me.



FIFY

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Friday, September 11, 2020 11:31 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Well, that and it lies a lot, which is why it leaves this key claim "Year after year, environmentalists litigated and lobbied to stop efforts to clear the forests through timber harvesting, underbrush removal, and controlled burns." unsourced.

Here's one example: logging (aka timber 'harvesting') as a tool for fire reduction. Now, maybe they think people are going to not think about that too much ... so here's the reality. The timber that's 'harvested' are the largest, most profitable trees. In reality, when 'harvesting' WAS TRIED the smallest trees, and tons of tree trash like branches, leaves and needles, AND the underbrush was left behind. It was a GREAT METHOD to create worse fires than ever.

And btw, saying that timber 'harvesting' is a way to reduce fires is like saying someone taking your valuables and ransacking your house is a good method of housecleaning.




There is only 1 way to clean up the forests that ever been tried and found successful, and it's NOT a money-maker. In fact, it's incredibly labor and equipment intensive, which makes it incredibly expensive. And that is to genuinely thin the forest of smaller trees leaving the big trees behind at larger spacing, clearing out the trash and underbrush, and THEN doing a controlled burn. And you have to do all of those 3 steps in that order, for it to work. 1 out of 3 doesn't work. 2 out of 3 doesn't work. Only 3 out of 3 works, but only in that order.



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Friday, September 11, 2020 11:33 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Meanwhile...

Everything we've done up to this point CLEARLY has worked out exceedingly well.

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Friday, September 11, 2020 11:40 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Nobody wanted to spend the money. Not Ronald Reagan (R 67-75), Jerry Brown (D 75-83), George Deukmejian (R 83-91), Pete Wilson (R 91-99), Gray Davis (D 99-03), Arnold Schwarzenegger (R 03-11), Jerry Brown (D 11-19), or Gavin Newsom (19-present).


But that of course only accounts for state land.


You'd have to look to the feds for theirs.

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Saturday, September 12, 2020 1:53 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Maybe you should ask the tech giants.

All I hear about is how much California contributes to the country, but they can't seem to do anything about keeping their own house in order. California is in worse shape than Illinois, and that's saying a lot.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, September 12, 2020 1:59 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


REAL environmentalists know what it takes to stop megafires. It's like KIKI said, SIX, so stop blaming environmentalists. It's all about money.

But there is one other motivation for letting the fuel load accumulate, and that is vacationers, tourists, and cabin-owners like to see thick green forests. If you have a cabin in the woods, you don't want to see your neighbor who's a mere 100 feet away. (many of the mountains in CA are steep, and the few level areas are overcrowded with vacation homes.)



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Saturday, September 12, 2020 3:27 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I just like to post complete made up bullshit because that's what I am - a bullshitter!

fify

I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACKAREN over the edge with too much reality.
That and the fact that he's become a completely distorted political hack who trolls day and night.

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Saturday, September 12, 2020 9:09 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


US wildfires fueled by climate change, California governor says
www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54128872

What does Trump actually believe on climate change?
www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51213003
The Trump administration's actions have widely rolled back on climate change measures.

Donald Trump hasn’t said a word about the wildfires blazing across multiple states in nearly three weeks.
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/12/wildfires-democrats-climate-cr
isis


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, September 12, 2020 9:53 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I just like to post complete made up bullshit because that's what I am - a bullshitter!

fify

I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACKAREN over the edge with too much reality.
That and the fact that he's become a completely distorted political hack who trolls day and night.



You apologize for yourself, fuckwit.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, September 12, 2020 12:59 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Well, that and it lies a lot, which is why it leaves this key claim "Year after year, environmentalists litigated and lobbied to stop efforts to clear the forests through timber harvesting, underbrush removal, and controlled burns." unsourced.

Here's one example: logging (aka timber 'harvesting') as a tool for fire reduction. Now, maybe they think people are going to not think about that too much ... so here's the reality. The timber that's 'harvested' are the largest, most profitable trees. In reality, when 'harvesting' WAS TRIED the smallest trees, and tons of tree trash like branches, leaves and needles, AND the underbrush was left behind. It was a GREAT METHOD to create worse fires than ever.

And btw, saying that timber 'harvesting' is a way to reduce fires is like saying someone taking your valuables and ransacking your house is a good method of housecleaning.




There is only 1 way to clean up the forests that ever been tried and found successful, and it's NOT a money-maker. In fact, it's incredibly labor and equipment intensive, which makes it incredibly expensive. And that is to genuinely thin the forest of smaller trees leaving the big trees behind at larger spacing, clearing out the trash and underbrush, and THEN doing a controlled burn. And you have to do all of those 3 steps in that order, for it to work. 1 out of 3 doesn't work. 2 out of 3 doesn't work. Only 3 out of 3 works, but only in that order.

Doesn't the larger trees posses more carbon storage than the smaller trees?
Fire is rapid oxidation of carbon.

And once a forest is thinned of large trees, isn't it easier to make a fire break quickly with smaller trees and brush? With timber shredders, bulldozers, etc? It would seem the huge trees are the obstruction to quickly making a path or swathe of bare ground.


Also, I'm wondering if you are talking about thinning the entire forest, or merely swathes to break up the forest groups, plus wherever the edges of the forest are? What good would really be accomplished with thinning the entire central acreage of a forest?

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Saturday, September 12, 2020 1:38 PM

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Saturday, September 12, 2020 1:41 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Jesus...




I know, right?

Marcos is laughing because he knows that his Antifa buddies are actually the ones that are destroying the California forests.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Only an idiot like you could believe such a thing. You're just stupid. You believe lies and deny facts, wet brain.

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Saturday, September 12, 2020 8:33 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


In a segment on the raging West Coast wildfires, Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who Trump watches every day, tried to make the baffling argument that Democratic leaders’ warnings about climate change are “like systemic racism in the sky.”

He extended the bizarre metaphor, lamenting that there was supposedly no explanation for how climate change causes more wildfires and mocking Democrats for not explaining science to him. I am glad to tell him and Trump that NASA did explain the connection, but Trump won't listen because the owners of oil wells and coal mines are his biggest campaign donors.

More at www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-tucker-carlson-calls-climate-change-sys
temic-racism-in-the-sky


Here is what Trump and FOX News refuse to learn because they are being highly paid to not know: Satellite Data Record Shows Climate Change's Impact on Fires
https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2912/satellite-data-record-shows-climate
-changes-impact-on-fires
/

Maybe somebody should tell Trump and Fox News host Tucker Carlson about NASA at every opportunity? Maybe remind Trump and Tucker that they should either learn from NASA or, if they can't because of the money they are being paid to remain ignorant, at least shut-up about climate change being a hoax.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, September 12, 2020 9:32 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Jesus...




I know, right?

Marcos is laughing because he knows that his Antifa buddies are actually the ones that are destroying the California forests.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Only an idiot like you could believe such a thing. You're just stupid. You believe lies and deny facts, wet brain.




I haven't had a drop in going on 4 years.

There is a very, very good chance that you drink FAR more alcohol than I do, which wouldn't be hard to do since I don't drink.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, September 12, 2020 9:38 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Doesn't the larger trees posses more carbon storage than the smaller trees?
Fire is rapid oxidation of carbon.

Uhm ... what does this have to do with controlling fire?
Quote:

And once a forest is thinned of large trees, isn't it easier to make a fire break quickly with smaller trees and brush? With timber shredders, bulldozers, etc? It would seem the huge trees are the obstruction to quickly making a path or swathe of bare ground.
Have you never built a fire irl? Do you put your match to the bark of the hugest log you have to start it? Or do you start the fire by lighting paper, needles and such, and use their burn to set smaller twigs on fire, and use their burn to set the kindling on fire, and use their burn to set the large logs on fire?
What you're proposing is to remove the largest trees - in effect the forest - and leave nothing but fire-starter and kindling behind, so that they'll burn completely when there's an ignition source, leaving nothing but ash behind.
You want to destroy the forest in order to save it ... ?
To get back to my 'starting a fire' example, large trees can survive a ground fire. They have far more thermal mass, which means it takes a lot more heat to get them up to ignition temperature. And they have far thicker bark, which means they can withstand more flames before vital living tree tissue is destroyed.
The trick is to keep litter, underbrush, and small trees removed. Those are the kindling that will ladder a fire up the big trees to where it will burn - needles and leaves, twigs, and smaller branches. That's called a crown fire and is the most devastating to a forest.
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Also, I'm wondering if you are talking about thinning the entire forest, or merely swathes to break up the forest groups, plus wherever the edges of the forest are? What good would really be accomplished with thinning the entire central acreage of a forest?
It depends on how much money you're willing to spend.
At present, people DEMAND !! their forest getaways. So they build into fire-prone areas. And then they wonder why it all gets destroyed. But ever willing to play along, the US federal government puts 'structure protection' up first, spending what limited resources it has on mitigating the building/ forest interface.

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Saturday, September 12, 2020 9:50 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


But to get back to the contention "Enivornmentalists (sic) Destroyed California's Forests" ... and global warming, for example, had nothing to do with it.

These forests have been here decade on decade. What was it about THIS year that was different? Might it have been the multi-year historic drought perhaps that weakened the trees that got killed off by various beetles?

And what should we then attribute the god-awful fires in Australia too? Was it the US environmental do-gooders fault?

Or what about the god-awful fires in Brazil? There's certainly no shortage of logging there!

Or the fires in Indonesia? Or Europe? Or Asia? Was it lack of logging that caused them? US forest policy?

Sooner or later, the contention that global warming has nothing to do with these fires becomes less and less ... sane.

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Saturday, September 12, 2020 10:17 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Blame it on COVID.

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Saturday, September 12, 2020 10:33 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Blame it on COVID.

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Please don't feed the troll.

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Saturday, September 12, 2020 10:35 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


COVID makes young trees have heart and lung problems for the rest of their lives!!!! *gasp*

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Saturday, September 12, 2020 10:41 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Trump blamed California for inadequate forest management, but the California government manages only 3% of the state’s forested land. Meanwhile, Trump and the federal government oversees 57% of all California’s forested acres. 40% of the forests are private. That means it is 97% the responsibility of Trump and the private owners of forests to prevent forest fires by better management of their land. Maybe the governor of California could have ordered Trump to not burn down forests? Trump would have laughed at such an order! Despite the imbalance, Trump has threatened to withhold disaster funding from California government over the fires on California government's 3% of forests.
https://ucanr.edu/sites/forestry/California_forests/

What did California Governor Jerry Brown do about forests? The most that has ever been done: "California is managing its forests — but is the president managing its federal lands?" What did Trump do? As usual, NOTHING, which is par for course with him and why he is blaming California's government and environmentalists for the fires. Trump is NOT blaming climate change, since that would offend the owners of oil wells and coal mines, which are Trump's biggest campaign contributors.
www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-managing-its-forests-president
-managing-its-federal-lands-n942581



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, September 13, 2020 12:40 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I'm sure Obama regularly worried about trees in California.

In fact, I bet he didn't think about them once in 8 years.

STFU, idiot.

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Sunday, September 13, 2020 1:14 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm sure Obama regularly worried about trees in California.

In fact, I bet he didn't think about them once in 8 years.

STFU, idiot.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Indeed. Fuel loads have been building FOR DECADES in Federal lands, not just over three years.

This is just another case of SECOND's endless screeching about Trump/Republicans, blaming them for everything that has been going wrong over the past 40 years.

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Monday, September 14, 2020 6:20 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


How much does flushing all the water to sea influence the drought?


Environmentalists always demand the fresh water be drained straight to the ocean.

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Monday, September 14, 2020 6:55 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
How much does flushing all the water to sea influence the drought?


Environmentalists always demand the fresh water be drained straight to the ocean.

Got a source for that?

JK. I know you don't, because you're a Russian troll. A dumb one, at that.

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Monday, September 14, 2020 7:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:

Indeed. Fuel loads have been building FOR DECADES in Federal lands, not just over three years.

This is just another case of SECOND's endless screeching about Trump/Republicans, blaming them for everything that has been going wrong over the past 40 years.

Signym, CO2 has been increasing for decades. Democrats can't clean up CO2 (and "Fuel loads," your two words) because the Republicans in the Senate have blocked them for decades.

Examples of how Republicans blocked CO2 rules:

Republicans move to stop EPA CO2 rules www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-congress-climate/republicans-move-to-st
op-epa-co2-rules-idUSTRE72E6MZ20110315


How Rogue Republicans Killed Oregon’s Climate-Change Bill www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-rogue-republicans-killed-oregons-
climate-change-bill


There are 500,000 more examples of Republicans blocking CO2 regulation by Democrats: www.google.com/search?q=have+republicans+blocked+legislation+to+contro
l+CO2%3F


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, September 15, 2020 3:22 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted:
Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:

Indeed. Fuel loads have been building FOR DECADES in Federal lands, not just over three years.

This is just another case of SECOND's endless screeching about Trump/Republicans, blaming them for everything that has been going wrong over the past 40 years.

Signym, CO2 has been increasing for decades. Democrats can't clean up CO2 (and "Fuel loads," your two words) because the Republicans in the Senate have blocked them for decades.

Examples of how Republicans blocked CO2 rules:

Republicans move to stop EPA CO2 rules www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-congress-climate/republicans-move-to-st
op-epa-co2-rules-idUSTRE72E6MZ20110315


How Rogue Republicans Killed Oregon’s Climate-Change Bill www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-rogue-republicans-killed-oregons-
climate-change-bill


There are 500,000 more examples of Republicans blocking CO2 regulation by Democrats: www.google.com/search?q=have+republicans+blocked+legislation+to+contro
l+CO2%3F


Removing CO2 from the atmosphere would be starving the flora of it's necessity. Brilliant, no matter how you look at it. Efforts to remove it, or how it would be a good thing to happen. Definitely a Democrap idea.

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Tuesday, September 15, 2020 4:15 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
[Removing CO2 from the atmosphere would be starving the flora of it's necessity. Brilliant, no matter how you look at it. Efforts to remove it, or how it would be a good thing to happen. Definitely a Democrap idea.

Jesus fuck. Just stop being so fucking stupid.

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Thursday, September 17, 2020 3:03 PM

REAVERFAN


Fox breaks out all the tools in the denier playbook to downplay climate change's role in western wildfires
https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/fox-breaks-out-all-tools-denier-
playbook-downplay-climate-changes-role-western-wildfires


Ignoring the clear scientific links between the climate crisis and this year’s apocalyptic wildfires on the West Coast, coverage on Fox News and Fox Business has downplayed and denied the role of climate change in these devastating fires, deflecting from climate science while pushing President Donald Trump’s perennial claim that forest mismanagement is to blame. At least two Fox programs have even falsely suggested that an organized campaign of arson is responsible for igniting the fires in the Pacific Northwest -- a harmful conspiracy theory that has also quickly spread across social media platforms.

Fox shows are following a playbook that they have used with other major fire disasters linked to climate change, including last year’s catastrophic bushfires in Australia and previous catastrophic fires in California.

The goal of Fox’s coverage is always the same: deflect from the scientific reality of climate change and paint Democratic policies as the true culprits in worsening the wildfires.
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The only thing you can count on from Fox is that they'll lie.

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Friday, September 18, 2020 9:52 AM

REAVERFAN


Remember 6ix falling for this bullshit?

Low IQ types like 6ix are gullible and will believe anything that confirms their hatred and biases. It must suck to be so abysmally stupid and miserable.


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