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"Time to unite"? Yeah, right

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Tuesday, December 1, 2020 5:54 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Daily Beast Editor Calls For "Humiliation" And "Incarceration" For Trump Supporters

Authored by Jonathan Turley,

We have been discussing the rising threats against Trump supporters, lawyers, and officials in recent weeks from Democratic members are calling for blacklists to the Lincoln Project leading a a national effort to harass and abuse any lawyers representing the Republican party or President Trump. Others are calling for banning those “complicit” from college campuses while still others are demanding a “Truth and Reconciliation Commission” to “hold Trump and his enablers accountable for the crimes they have committed.”

Now, Daily Beast editor-at-large Rick Wilson has added his own call for “humiliation,” “incarceration” and even ritualistic suicides for Trump supporters in an unhinged, vulgar column. Wilson declared “[o]nly exposure, pain, humiliation, and (inshallah) incarceration will lead to a moment of reckoning for the GOP.

Not surprisingly, Wilson is a key advisor to the Lincoln Project which was blocked recently on Twitter for abusive doxxing efforts directed at Republican lawyers. His column captures the level of hateful rhetoric fueled by the Lincoln Project, which is funded by thousands of lawyers despite its attacks on fellow members of the bar for their representation.

“Remember, the Trump GOP is shorn of all ideological and philosophical pretense, and even when Trump leaves office, it’s not over. ‘His cultists’ reign of terror will shape elected GOP members as long as he and his foul spawn walk the earth unpunished. Only exposure, pain, humiliation, and (inshallah) incarceration will lead to a moment of reckoning for the GOP. It should start at the top and work down from there.”

Wilson notes that he is not interested in the “reconciliation” part of “truth and reconciliation,” declaring a “hearty f— no” to people calling for reconciliation. Inside he called for the “motherf—ers” to consider “seppuku.”

Just as I recently criticized Trump counsel Joe diGenova for his rhetoric about drawing and quartering Chris Krebs, I will assume that Wilson is not seriously calling for ritualistic suicides. However, he is clearly calling for retaliation against Trump supporters as the Lincoln Project has carried out in its campaign.

Others like Elie Mystal, The Nation’s justice correspondent, have called for a “Truth and Reconciliation Commission” to investigate “[a]ll of these moral and ethical failures … and that’s before we get into the actual statutory crimes potentially committed by Trump, his administration, his enablers, and his family.”

The call for a commission to establish the truth of past controversies is ironic given Mystal’s abuse of teenager Nicholas Sandmann. We previously discussed the case and the example of one such segment involving “Above the Law” writer Joe Patrice in his interview with Mystal, where he attacked this 16 year old boy as a racist. Patrice agreed with Mystal’s objections to Sandmann wearing his “racist [MAGA] hat.” They also objected to Sandmann doing interviews trying to defend himself with Mystal deriding how this “17-year-old kid makes the George Zimmerman defense for why he was allowed to deny access to a person of color.” Putting aside the fact that Sandmann was not denying “access to a person of color,” Mystal and Patrice were comparing this high school student to a man who was accused of murdering an unarmed African American kid and even assailing his effort to clear his name as the media continued to label him a racist. Mystal continued to slam Sandmann in postings on “Above the Law.” In one such posting, Mystal derided Sandmann for filing for defamation. Various media outfits later apologized or settled with Sandmann for their false reporting.

What is most striking about these views is how disconnected they are to the actual election.

Instead a “blue wave” and the widely predicted Democratic takeover of both houses, Republicans picked up a sizable number of seats in the House where Democrats have been reduced to the thinnest margin since World War II. The Republicans may retain the Senate and won handily in many state races across the country. Roughly 74 million people voted for Trump. I was not one of them, but that is roughly half of this nation. Yet, these writers continue to write as if the nation is now unified in rejecting the policies and priorities of the Trump Administration. It is the distortive effect of existing entirely in siloed media spaces where an alternative reality can be maintained and fostered.

My greatest concern is how the media remain detached not only from roughly half of the country but from reality. It has decided that it will cater to literally one half of the country and foster openly biased narratives of what is still unfolding in this country. As I previously discussed, the loss is considerable since the public now has a deep and widening distrust for the media. The result is that our media is no longer viewed as a place for citizens to resolve questions over things like contested elections. There is only rage where reason once prevailed.


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Tuesday, December 1, 2020 7:08 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


They're finding gaylords full of votes now.

lol

Those are large shipping containers that we used when doing direct bulk mail after it was addressed, sorted, bundled, bagged and put in the large, super-thick cardboard boxes that can easily fit people inside before they were put on the scales for the bulk rate discount.

That's not how regular mail is shipped.

Whoopsie!

What have you done today to earn your place in this crowded world? :)

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Wednesday, December 2, 2020 6:51 AM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
I think this needs its own thread. SIG pulls most of her information that she posts here from this blog and stupidly defends it as a reputable source. As she continues to do so I will regenerate this thread to remind all it is a corrupted blog designed to create havoc rather than informing.

Below are the names of those behind zero hedge. Don't miss what I've highlighted in red below. This folks is why comrade troll SIG loves to quote zero hedge.




In addition, Lokey said he faced constant pressure to frame stories in-line with a particular world-view, which he described as “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry=dunce. Vladmir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.”



All of this matches SIG's playbook here and Putin's globally; exactly.


The men behind zero hedge

Colin Lokey, a 32-year-old former Seeking Alpha director

Daniel Ivandjiiski, a 37-year-old Bulgarian-born former hedge fund employee who was barred for insider trading in 2008

Tim Backshall, a 45-year-old credit derivatives strategist
Despite its populist tone, Lokey told Bloomberg he recently left Zero Hedge because he didn’t see eye-to-eye with the others when it came to editorial vision.

“Zero Hedge ceased to serve that public service years ago,” Lokey said. “They care what generates page views. Clicks. Money.”

In addition, Lokey said he faced constant pressure to frame stories in-line with a particular world-view, which he described as “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry=dunce. Vladmir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.”

Lokey claims Zero Hedge’s focus on traffic and revenue is hypocritical, but Ivandjiiski sees things differently.

Finally, Zero Hedge addressed the accusations of systematic bias in its content.

“We are certainly ok with being the object of other’s conspiracy theories, in this case completely false ones since we have never been in contact with anyone in Russia, or the US, or any government for that matter,” Zero Hedge says.

The site claims it has never accepted a dime of funding outside of advertising revenue and that Lokey was never pressured about how to frame his articles or editorialized.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/zero-hedge-unmasked-theres-more-1427301
65.html

According to the Bloomberg article, three men have been churning out all of the content at Zero Hedge, using the joint pseudonym “Tyler Durden” from the Brad Pitt film “Fight Club.” The 1999 cult film, according to Rolling Stone, is “about being young, male and powerless against the pacifying drug of consumerism. It’s about solitude, despair and bottled-up rage.” That ethos is frequently on display at Zero Hedge.

The three “Tyler Durdens” outed by Bloomberg reporters are Colin Lokey, who has now left Zero Hedge in a fit of pique and is responsible for handing over the internal chat sessions from Zero Hedge on traffic-building strategies and other matters. Bloomberg says “the other two men are Daniel Ivandjiiski, 37, the Bulgarian-born former analyst long reputed to be behind the site, and Tim Backshall, 45, a well-known credit derivatives strategist.”

The article notes that “Ivandjiiski has a multimillion-dollar mansion in Mahwah, N.J., and Backshall lives in a plush San Francisco suburb,” suggesting these are “not exactly reflections” of the anti-capitalism reflected in the moniker “Tyler Durden.”





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Wednesday, December 2, 2020 8:29 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Look, THUGR, either Daily Beast's Rick Wilson called for Trump supporters' "humiliation" and "Incarceration" ... or he didn't.

If he did, it doesn't matter WHO reports it, since it's a true fact.

Fortunately for me ... AND YOU, the author of this article LINKS to everything he said "they" said, so you can go back to the original opinion pieces and news articles ... and backtrack to what was originally published in full, and decide for yourself whether it was a true summation or not.

I'll provide you with one example so you can see how it's done

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Quote:

Authored by Jonathan Turley,

We have been discussing the rising threats against Trump supporters, lawyers, and officials in recent weeks from Democratic members are calling for blacklists



Helpfully links to

Quote:

Lincoln Project leading a a national effort to harass and abuse any lawyers representing the Republican party or President Trump. Others are calling for banning those “complicit” from college campuses while still others are demanding a “Truth and Reconciliation Commission” to “hold Trump and his enablers accountable for the crimes they have committed.”
The Lincoln Project is airing a commercial today celebrating the end of the politics of division and personal attacks as Twitter removed a tweet (with a skull-and-crossbones emoji) from The Lincoln Project...


https://jonathanturley.org/2020/11/11/with-malice-for-all-lincoln-proj
ect-unleashes-attacks-on-lawyers-who-represent-the-trump-campaign-as-it-runs-a-commercial-on-the-new-unity-and-civility
/

which helpfully links to the commercial itself from the Lincoln Project
https://lincolnproject.us/video/dawn/

so you can watch FOR YOURSELF what the Lincoln Project published.

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That's just one example out of literally a DOZEN links in the article which back up exactly what author Johnathan Turley claims.

As far as his contention about The Daily Beast, THAT TOO is linked. This is from the Daily Beast Itself ...

Quote:

We Won’t Forget and We Won’t Forgive What Trumpists Did to America

It’s not enough to merely enjoy their agony and humiliation. It’s not enough to hope they’ll be shamed and correct their behavior. Have you not met these people?
Rick Wilson

well, how's THAT for a start? Aside from the implicit threat, whowould want to unify with THAT???

Quote:

Editor-at-Large
Daily Beast can hardly claim that this was written by some third-party stringer who got publisged just in the interest of representing a full range of pinion, since I presume you know what an "editor-at-large" represents


Quote:

The dark is rising for Trump’s sycophants, toadies and enablers. Their tough-guy acts and fuck-your-feelings shit-talk have become a furious whine of complaints and recriminations as a toxic slurry of rage and despair has left a stinging bile in the back of their throats that won’t go away. Trump lost, and they can’t spin their way past it.

Even as his lawyers are all but chased out of each town where they file their absurd, doomed lawsuits, the true believers still imagine some miracle emerging from the wreckage of Trump’s campaign. The media apparatus that monetized the moronic state religion of Trumpism is still pumping their slowcoach followers full of stupid, easily disproven lies.

The Professional Class of Republicans, though, know that the bitter end is here—that their dirty half-decade of personal abnegation and degradation is coming to a sick, sad finale. It would leave them with a sense of shame if they had any. Most of the GOP, Inc. types long ago lost that sensibility. Still, America is watching them experiencing a combination of fury and humiliation as Trump heads to the door before even dropping the cash on the nightstand.

To our old friends and colleagues still stuck in Trump’s GOP, well, bless your hearts. You’re not getting out of this one with the old “run for the tall grass” strategy that served you so well before. In the time before social media, you might’ve slunk into some dark corner for a year or so and muttered over cocktails about how crazy it was when Trump was in office and the shit you had to do to stay in his crazed graces.

But we live in a world where the internet is forever. The video of your self-abasement is copious, and your slavish devotion to Donald Trump will mark you forever. That’s you, Congressman. And you, Senator. And you, Governor. And an army of lobbyists, consultants, and advisers who pretended this was perfectly normal.

On your best days you furrowed a brow or issued an elliptical Bible verse in the most weak-dick passive-aggressive statements possible.

Let’s be honest with one another, though; most of you enjoyed every moment of Trump. You boasted that the world had changed. You bragged that finally there was a Republican badass who gave no fucks and owned the libs. All we had to give up to get there was everything that defined the center-right party for generations. You were just fine with the executive orders, the lawlessness, the statism, the betrayal of alliances around the world, and with that fucking clown as the leader of the party and the country.

But voters have a longer memory than you credit them with.

We also won’t forget the grubby sellouts in the Respectable Republican Media, with their strained contortions about how “Trump is bad, and we wish he wouldn’t tweet, but without him, AOC and George Soros will force mandatory green sharia socialist gay marriage on our pets.” That set is, in some sense, more contemptible that the gleeful sellouts who went full MAGA. I’m shocked seppuku hasn’t made a comeback among these people who hate themselves for their shabby, wretched series of personal and moral compromises under Trump.

That goes double for you motherfuckers who went inside the Trump White House and kept promising that you were the one who was stopping all the bad shit from coming down. Either it was always a lie from the beginning, or you sucked at your jobs.

After 250,000 deaths from COVID, a shattered economy, rampant corruption, and the egregious cruelty of the Trump era, no one forgets that you stood behind him and saw the lawless, reckless, rampant fuckery of Trump and Trumpism with nary a complaint. You stood there, cowed and callow, profiles in chickenshit more dedicated to re-election than to America. Now, you’re getting what’s coming to you.

I’m not even going to hide it; I fucking love it.

I know, I know. Some people believe we should enter a new era of comity and goodwill and that the Biden era will be a time of healing and cleaning up the national fabric that’s been stained from five years of Donald Trump ratfucking the nation’s character and psyche. We should offer a soft landing and a gentle exit from the Trump cult to give the conservative party of the United States a way to reclaim its values and virtues, right?

To this, I must issue a hearty “fuck no.”
“Only exposure, pain, humiliation, and (inshallah) incarceration will lead to a moment of reckoning for the GOP”

This nation dodged a bullet only through the tireless efforts of millions of Americans determined to drive Trump from office. We barely got out of this one with the nation—and our sanity—intact.

Accountability and responsibility were once hallmarks of character-based conservatism. They were central to the GOP’s political brand. And, as Republicans once knew, actions have consequences. In politics, business, community, and life, the conservative choice was one of probity, restraint, respect for law and tradition. Trading that in for “cry moar libtard shill” and “Your snowflake tears sustain me, cuck” has consequences.

It’s not enough merely to enjoy their agony and humiliation. It’s not enough to hope they’ll be shamed and correct their behavior. Have you not met these people?

There is no facile “both sides” argument here. This election was America versus the Trump criminal enterprise, and the people who made up the Vichy Republican claque shouldn’t merely be allowed to drift away from Trump with a shrug and a “Let’s put this behind us.”

The Trump administration’s malfeasance, corruption, sadism, and fatal incompetence require a public, media, judicial, and political response. If no one is held to account for unequivocally illegal actions and for empowering and enabling the people who committed them, you know what we get, right?

More of the same.

Many Democrats, likely including Speaker Nancy Pelosi, will mistake the terrain ahead. They believe that “getting things done” is the coin of the realm. The Democrats will be shocked when Republicans derail their agenda, over and over again. They’ll think, “We’d rather discuss the Green New Deal than put the last four years under the spotlight again,” but that spotlight is the insurance policy they need as McConnell does his work. The Democrats should understand—but likely won’t—that Mitch McConnell’s role as Trump’s stay-behind vergeltungswaffen is only beginning.

The other side will work daily to sabotage not only a legislative agenda but the nation itself. Remember, the Trump GOP is shorn of all ideological and philosophical pretense, and even when Trump leaves office, it’s not over. His cultists’ reign of terror will shape elected GOP members as long as he and his foul spawn walk the earth unpunished.

Only exposure, pain, humiliation, and (inshallah) incarceration will lead to a moment of reckoning for the GOP. It should start at the top and work down from there.



This article is like the caetoon that REAVERBOT posted, where he LITERALLY had to paste the word HATE! coming from people's mouths in order to create an image of the people that he, himself, hates.

It is a hateful, hate-filled mischaracterization of Trump supporters that attempts to justify HIS OWN hate by projecting on to other people, much like WISHY envisions killing 7+billion people because - in her sick, twisted imagination- she believes that "they" are all "fascists".

Reading the posts here, the hate-filled people... the name-callers, libellers, liars, those calling for shooting and burning and general genocide...they're all from YOUR side. Are they not?

So, who is the hater here?

*****

By quoting the full upinion piece in the Daily Beast, I'm sure you can see that SOME anti-Trumpers are as hate-filled as they claim the MAGA people are.
Also, you can see that the ZH article really doesn't do justice to the bile and venom published elsewhere, that Turley is presenting a true picture of what Rick Wilson himself ppublshed, and that the article is FULLY LINKED to its original sources.

And that's a lot more than the NYT, WaPo, MSNBC, or CNN can claim, since they content thmselves with quoting "anonymous sources" who can never be held accountable for what they blab.

I hope you take this as a lesson in sourcing.

Also, as I have mentioned before, you REALLY should go look up what constitutes EVIDENCE in a court of law, so you don't just keep taking gossip and lies on faith, but look behind statements to try and find the truth behind them.


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Wednesday, December 2, 2020 8:41 AM

REAVERFAN


Great projecting, Russian troll! ^



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Wednesday, December 2, 2020 8:51 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Great projecting, Russian troll! ^



I did't write Rick Wilson's article for him, or publish it in the Daily Beast. I didn't call for genociding almost the entire world, like WISHY did. I didn't support the "mostly peaceful" riots that left large swaths of many major cities burned out, like REAVERBOT, nor did I advocate getting a gun and shooting my political rivals, like SECOND did. Nor did I CONSTANTLY lie and libel, like every single one of you did.

NOWHERE on this boardhave I seen the hate and vitriol from Trump supporters that you (plural) have displayed. Have you seen threats of violence from SIX? KIKI? JSF? ME?

When Trump had won the election, did you see people threatening you? When Trump lost*, are you reading any threats from Trump supporters here? The people throwing temper tantrums ... those are all on YOUR side, buddy.

And I'm STILL not calling for you to be boiled in oil, or stood in front of a wll to be shot down like a dog, or doxxed and blacklisted for the foreseeable future. That's YOU, buddy, and YOUR side.

But, apparently you can't believe what your eyes are plainly showing you.

All I want for you is to calm the fuck down and wake the fuck up, and realize that what we have is nothing more than a difference of opinion that doesn't need to end in threats and lies. Yanno, dial down the emotion. All it needs is calm, reasoned discussion. Do you think you're capable of that?

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Wednesday, December 2, 2020 9:03 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


My suggestion, Sigs, is to just post the sources of those articles instead of any of those that could be considered "Alt-Right". (Meaning, post just the links to places like "The Daily Beast" and "The Lincoln Project" themselves, rather than anything that ZeroHedge or this "Turly" guy writes.

My enthusiasm for the next 4 years is not fake. Though 4 more years of Trump would have been great for the country, 4 years with Biden* will also be great.


2016-2020 was four years where Daily Beast and The Lincoln Project and CNN all posted the same thing. With Trump in office, making it seem as though they were all in it together was easy to accomplish even though that couldn't be further from the truth.


These outlets couldn't possibly be in bigger disagreement with each other if you look under the surface.


Post the stuff from these sources now and let them figure out that they don't agree at all with each other.


We might even find out that Ted is really a GWB Era NeoCon. I've got my suspicions that this is the case.



What have you done today to earn your place in this crowded world? :)

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Wednesday, December 2, 2020 4:14 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


If all I did was look at the corporate news and corporate social media, I'd be totally misinformed about everything.

And of course THUGR is a pro-establishment goon and pro-war neocon. His every post screams WAR! CENTRAL CONTROL!

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Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:47 AM

REAVERFAN


Trumptards are traitors. They should be treated as such.

Humiliate them. Incarcerate them. Prisons filled with trumptard terrorists.

It's coming, bitches. We will save America from you fascists. You will regret your evil.

The good guys will win.



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Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:49 AM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
If all I did was look at the corporate news and corporate social media, I'd be totally misinformed about everything.

You're not misinformed. You are paid to disinform. You are a paid liar and an enemy of the United States.

You know damn well that you're a lying Russian troll. We all know it.



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Thursday, December 3, 2020 2:54 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
If all I did was look at the corporate news and corporate social media, I'd be totally misinformed about everything.

You're not misinformed. You are paid to disinform. You are a paid liar and an enemy of the United States.

You know damn well that you're a lying Russian troll. We all know it.



Everyone here ... and I mean EVERYONE, even your fellow travelers ... knows that you're off-the-chart extremist.

In the HAPPY THANKSGIVING thread you post positively about Antifa killing Xmas and Thanksgiving?

I mean, who does THAT?

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Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:25 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Trumptards are traitors. They should be treated as such.

Humiliate them. Incarcerate them. Prisons filled with trumptard terrorists.

It's coming, bitches. We will save America from you fascists. You will regret your evil.

The good guys will win.







The insanity manages to grow even more insane.





You won buddy. And you've got everything you ever wanted in life with zero debt, right?

Smile. You're supposed to be happy!



What have you done today to earn your place in this crowded world? :)

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Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:27 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


At this point I'm thinking that Marcos just feels robbed that I'm not behaving the way that he thought I would if Trump lost.

I'd imagine he feels like I even stole that from him.



What have you done today to earn your place in this crowded world? :)

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Friday, December 4, 2020 1:00 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

REAVERBOT:
Trumptards are traitors. They should be treated as such.
Humiliate them. Incarcerate them. Prisons filled with trumptard terrorists.
It's coming, bitches. We will save America from you fascists. You will regret your evil.
The good guys will win.


SIX: The insanity manages to grow even more insane.


At some point he will make an outright terrorist threat, and be banned from the board, like FREM.

In fact, maybe REAVERBOT is FREM'S sockpuppet.

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Friday, December 4, 2020 7:43 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I can't in a million years allow myself to believe that this is true.

That's not to say that the thought hasn't crossed my mind once or twice.

Frem is certainly smart enough to entirely change his posting habits in such a way that you wouldn't know it was him.


I just really don't want to believe that it is actually him that hates me as much as Marcos does though. I know we've had our differences and he was among those I really pissed off while I was a drunk waste of carbon, but jesus christ.

What have you done today to earn your place in this crowded world? :)

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Saturday, December 5, 2020 1:54 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I can't in a million years allow myself to believe that this is true.

That's not to say that the thought hasn't crossed my mind once or twice.

Frem is certainly smart enough to entirely change his posting habits in such a way that you wouldn't know it was him.


I just really don't want to believe that it is actually him that hates me as much as Marcos does though. I know we've had our differences and he was among those I really pissed off while I was a drunk waste of carbon, but jesus christ.

What have you done today to earn your place in this crowded world? :)



Well, I think I've got most people here sussed out:

SECOND hates himself for killing people, and can't stand the fact that instead of being a miserable old fart he's richer than a murderer ever should be, so he projects his hate on others.

WISHY is reacting to some childhood trauma, and she can't stop casting herself as a helpless eight-year-old so she over-reacts to anyone who she imagines is threatening her.

THUGR ... poor THUGR, he's never gotten in the habit of thinking for himself. He was at his most comfortable in the Army, when they told him the when, how, where, and why of what to do, and after getting kicked out (dishonorably discharged) he's been trying to prove to "them" that he's good enough ever since, so he continues to let "them" do his thinking.

CC... he's an internet advertiser, a paid-for liar. Because of his automatic and rather lackluster defense of the DNC I wouldn't be surprised if one of his clients was some subgroup paid by the Democrat Party.

And then there's REAVERBOT. I can tie a lot of other people's pathological behaviors to a personal response to something that happened to them IRL... something that they keep reacting to ... but REAVERBOT is like a total ideological bot. I've seen that in young people, usually university-age: wild-eyed Trotskyists who're going to remake the world and everyone in it tomorrow ... the fervent light of mania shining in their eyes ... but not someone who is old enough to have worked hard into a comfortable position, as REAVERBOT says he is. Because hard work in the real world usually knocks the edges off.

So there's something hinky about REAVERBOT. He really does respond as if he were a program. Maybe he's a bot ... I mean, a real bot ... or maybe he's a constucted false identity that lacks cohesion.

In any case, if he's a real person he's a nutter.

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Saturday, December 5, 2020 7:20 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Look, THUGR, either Daily Beast's Rick Wilson called for Trump supporters' "humiliation" and "Incarceration" ... or he didn't.

If he did, it doesn't matter WHO reports it, since it's a true fact.

Fortunately for me ... AND YOU, the author of this article LINKS to everything he said "they" said, so you can go back to the original opinion pieces and news articles ... and backtrack to what was originally published in full, and decide for yourself whether it was a true summation or not.

I'll provide you with one example so you can see how it's done

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Quote:

Authored by Jonathan Turley,

We have been discussing the rising threats against Trump supporters, lawyers, and officials in recent weeks from Democratic members are calling for blacklists



Helpfully links to

Quote:

Lincoln Project leading a a national effort to harass and abuse any lawyers representing the Republican party or President Trump. Others are calling for banning those “complicit” from college campuses while still others are demanding a “Truth and Reconciliation Commission” to “hold Trump and his enablers accountable for the crimes they have committed.”
The Lincoln Project is airing a commercial today celebrating the end of the politics of division and personal attacks as Twitter removed a tweet (with a skull-and-crossbones emoji) from The Lincoln Project...


https://jonathanturley.org/2020/11/11/with-malice-for-all-lincoln-proj
ect-unleashes-attacks-on-lawyers-who-represent-the-trump-campaign-as-it-runs-a-commercial-on-the-new-unity-and-civility
/

which helpfully links to the commercial itself from the Lincoln Project
https://lincolnproject.us/video/dawn/

so you can watch FOR YOURSELF what the Lincoln Project published.

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That's just one example out of literally a DOZEN links in the article which back up exactly what author Johnathan Turley claims.

As far as his contention about The Daily Beast, THAT TOO is linked. This is from the Daily Beast Itself ...

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We Won’t Forget and We Won’t Forgive What Trumpists Did to America

It’s not enough to merely enjoy their agony and humiliation. It’s not enough to hope they’ll be shamed and correct their behavior. Have you not met these people?
Rick Wilson

well, how's THAT for a start? Aside from the implicit threat, whowould want to unify with THAT???

Quote:

Editor-at-Large
Daily Beast can hardly claim that this was written by some third-party stringer who got publisged just in the interest of representing a full range of pinion, since I presume you know what an "editor-at-large" represents


Quote:

The dark is rising for Trump’s sycophants, toadies and enablers. Their tough-guy acts and fuck-your-feelings shit-talk have become a furious whine of complaints and recriminations as a toxic slurry of rage and despair has left a stinging bile in the back of their throats that won’t go away. Trump lost, and they can’t spin their way past it.

Even as his lawyers are all but chased out of each town where they file their absurd, doomed lawsuits, the true believers still imagine some miracle emerging from the wreckage of Trump’s campaign. The media apparatus that monetized the moronic state religion of Trumpism is still pumping their slowcoach followers full of stupid, easily disproven lies.

The Professional Class of Republicans, though, know that the bitter end is here—that their dirty half-decade of personal abnegation and degradation is coming to a sick, sad finale. It would leave them with a sense of shame if they had any. Most of the GOP, Inc. types long ago lost that sensibility. Still, America is watching them experiencing a combination of fury and humiliation as Trump heads to the door before even dropping the cash on the nightstand.

To our old friends and colleagues still stuck in Trump’s GOP, well, bless your hearts. You’re not getting out of this one with the old “run for the tall grass” strategy that served you so well before. In the time before social media, you might’ve slunk into some dark corner for a year or so and muttered over cocktails about how crazy it was when Trump was in office and the shit you had to do to stay in his crazed graces.

But we live in a world where the internet is forever. The video of your self-abasement is copious, and your slavish devotion to Donald Trump will mark you forever. That’s you, Congressman. And you, Senator. And you, Governor. And an army of lobbyists, consultants, and advisers who pretended this was perfectly normal.

On your best days you furrowed a brow or issued an elliptical Bible verse in the most weak-dick passive-aggressive statements possible.

Let’s be honest with one another, though; most of you enjoyed every moment of Trump. You boasted that the world had changed. You bragged that finally there was a Republican badass who gave no fucks and owned the libs. All we had to give up to get there was everything that defined the center-right party for generations. You were just fine with the executive orders, the lawlessness, the statism, the betrayal of alliances around the world, and with that fucking clown as the leader of the party and the country.

But voters have a longer memory than you credit them with.

We also won’t forget the grubby sellouts in the Respectable Republican Media, with their strained contortions about how “Trump is bad, and we wish he wouldn’t tweet, but without him, AOC and George Soros will force mandatory green sharia socialist gay marriage on our pets.” That set is, in some sense, more contemptible that the gleeful sellouts who went full MAGA. I’m shocked seppuku hasn’t made a comeback among these people who hate themselves for their shabby, wretched series of personal and moral compromises under Trump.

That goes double for you motherfuckers who went inside the Trump White House and kept promising that you were the one who was stopping all the bad shit from coming down. Either it was always a lie from the beginning, or you sucked at your jobs.

After 250,000 deaths from COVID, a shattered economy, rampant corruption, and the egregious cruelty of the Trump era, no one forgets that you stood behind him and saw the lawless, reckless, rampant fuckery of Trump and Trumpism with nary a complaint. You stood there, cowed and callow, profiles in chickenshit more dedicated to re-election than to America. Now, you’re getting what’s coming to you.

I’m not even going to hide it; I fucking love it.

I know, I know. Some people believe we should enter a new era of comity and goodwill and that the Biden era will be a time of healing and cleaning up the national fabric that’s been stained from five years of Donald Trump ratfucking the nation’s character and psyche. We should offer a soft landing and a gentle exit from the Trump cult to give the conservative party of the United States a way to reclaim its values and virtues, right?

To this, I must issue a hearty “fuck no.”
“Only exposure, pain, humiliation, and (inshallah) incarceration will lead to a moment of reckoning for the GOP”

This nation dodged a bullet only through the tireless efforts of millions of Americans determined to drive Trump from office. We barely got out of this one with the nation—and our sanity—intact.

Accountability and responsibility were once hallmarks of character-based conservatism. They were central to the GOP’s political brand. And, as Republicans once knew, actions have consequences. In politics, business, community, and life, the conservative choice was one of probity, restraint, respect for law and tradition. Trading that in for “cry moar libtard shill” and “Your snowflake tears sustain me, cuck” has consequences.

It’s not enough merely to enjoy their agony and humiliation. It’s not enough to hope they’ll be shamed and correct their behavior. Have you not met these people?

There is no facile “both sides” argument here. This election was America versus the Trump criminal enterprise, and the people who made up the Vichy Republican claque shouldn’t merely be allowed to drift away from Trump with a shrug and a “Let’s put this behind us.”

The Trump administration’s malfeasance, corruption, sadism, and fatal incompetence require a public, media, judicial, and political response. If no one is held to account for unequivocally illegal actions and for empowering and enabling the people who committed them, you know what we get, right?

More of the same.

Many Democrats, likely including Speaker Nancy Pelosi, will mistake the terrain ahead. They believe that “getting things done” is the coin of the realm. The Democrats will be shocked when Republicans derail their agenda, over and over again. They’ll think, “We’d rather discuss the Green New Deal than put the last four years under the spotlight again,” but that spotlight is the insurance policy they need as McConnell does his work. The Democrats should understand—but likely won’t—that Mitch McConnell’s role as Trump’s stay-behind vergeltungswaffen is only beginning.

The other side will work daily to sabotage not only a legislative agenda but the nation itself. Remember, the Trump GOP is shorn of all ideological and philosophical pretense, and even when Trump leaves office, it’s not over. His cultists’ reign of terror will shape elected GOP members as long as he and his foul spawn walk the earth unpunished.

Only exposure, pain, humiliation, and (inshallah) incarceration will lead to a moment of reckoning for the GOP. It should start at the top and work down from there.



This article is like the caetoon that REAVERBOT posted, where he LITERALLY had to paste the word HATE! coming from people's mouths in order to create an image of the people that he, himself, hates.

It is a hateful, hate-filled mischaracterization of Trump supporters that attempts to justify HIS OWN hate by projecting on to other people, much like WISHY envisions killing 7+billion people because - in her sick, twisted imagination- she believes that "they" are all "fascists".

Reading the posts here, the hate-filled people... the name-callers, libellers, liars, those calling for shooting and burning and general genocide...they're all from YOUR side. Are they not?

So, who is the hater here?

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By quoting the full upinion piece in the Daily Beast, I'm sure you can see that SOME anti-Trumpers are as hate-filled as they claim the MAGA people are.
Also, you can see that the ZH article really doesn't do justice to the bile and venom published elsewhere, that Turley is presenting a true picture of what Rick Wilson himself ppublshed, and that the article is FULLY LINKED to its original sources.

And that's a lot more than the NYT, WaPo, MSNBC, or CNN can claim, since they content thmselves with quoting "anonymous sources" who can never be held accountable for what they blab.

I hope you take this as a lesson in sourcing.

Also, as I have mentioned before, you REALLY should go look up what constitutes EVIDENCE in a court of law, so you don't just keep taking gossip and lies on faith, but look behind statements to try and find the truth behind them.


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Geez, winning the war isn't enough for these scumbags, now they want to salt the ground so nothing will grow. They can keep the "never Trumpers", I don't want to see those back stabbing dirtbags come sniffing around thinking they can come back into the conservative movement. That was a big bridge they just burnt.

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