Constitutional free speech & free press & news ... and their opposites by 1KIKI

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Constitutional free speech & free press & news ... and their opposites

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Saturday, February 27, 2021 8:59 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

It turns out there are severe limits to Constitutional freedoms. By Supreme Court thinking over the last 40 years or so, the Constitution grants these freedoms only in regard to the Federal (and maybe the States') government. In the face of corporations, your freedoms are theirs to take away. Oh, and corporations are people, too. And there's no guaranteed freedom in the Constitution from propaganda either.

Here's one example of how your free speech in your personal life can be punished by your school or employer:

SUNY Suspends Student For Posting Views On Biological Gender
https://jonathanturley.org/2021/02/27/suny-suspends-education-student-
for-posting-views-on-biological-gender/

This has been a long-tested scenario regarding corporate or private employers. A teacher may legally be fired from a Catholic school for posting about birth control (a perfectly legal option and topic) on their personal accounts, on their personal equipment, to their personal friends, on their own time ... because of a 'professional behavior' (or standard or conduct) clause in their contract. The question in the article above is if a state-run school has the same option to punish the free speech of a student as a private entity does.

It makes me wonder. If a private contract can override the Constitution, can I contract myself to a company as a genuine slave? Would that be Constitutional?

Anyway, free speech has severe limits irl.

So what about the 'free press'? It turns out there's no duty for the free press to report the news. It looks like it was always assumed that the government would try to hide the facts and that the press would always try to dig them out, and that the biggest threat to a free press was from the government. It didn't seem to come up that the press might work hand-in-hand with tptb to spin a complete fake reality for the masses.

And while laws were once passed forbidding a US agency from directly propagandizing US citizens (so the propaganda had to be filtered through VOA for example), that law has since been rescinded.

Finally, as we have seen, even prominent politicians exercising presumably free political speech can be silenced by private corporations.

So I think at this point, what you see, and what you DON'T see, through the US m$m is in service to a narrative - that doesn't generally have your best interests at heart.

What to do ... well, there's the internet. Until the government starts blocking access to chunks of it, going to a wide variety of sources from all around the globe - ESPECIALLY from non-western news agencies - is a good start. And I think we need to always be asking: why is this news NOW? what has disappeared from the news? who might benefit from this news? if this were the opposite of what I believe would I be likely to reject it instead of accept it? (a check for personal bias)

Rather than promoting censorship (as our so-called democrat*-supporting 'liberals' here are doing) we need to expand our nets to catch more news items and pov's in order to see beyond what we're being fed every day. And we (hint for some people here) have to stop focusing on what foreign governments are doing. We're not them. They're not us. We have no responsibility for them or duty to them. We can and should tend to our own dysfunctions.

Hey, whatever happened to the riots? ... And foreign policy discussion
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Parler Tries to Survive With Help From Russian Company
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Parler back up
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So, when will corporate social and mass media apologize for censoring news about Hunter Biden's laptop?
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NOT THE NEWS
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It used to be illegal for the CIA to spread propaganda thru USA media...
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Any Conservative Media Around?
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British ruling: Julian Assange not to be extradited to the USA but freedom of the press takes a hit
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Twitter and Facebook Just Proved That Deplatforming Works
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Dec 10, google begins The Purge; and other big tech nastiness. And gee, just before campaiging really starts ...
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President Trump censored and banned from Twitter. Trump banned from Facebook for 24 hours, Twitter threatens permanent suspension
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"Neutral" journalism can't fight denial - Dan Froomkin - Press Watch via Salon
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Trump Says "TERMINATE" 230....WRONG!!!!
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Macron proposes new law against fake news in France
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The Fox Alternate Reality
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Reddit kicks out damaged knuckle draggers, planet cheers
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Trump White House Bars News Organizations From Press Briefing
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Joe Biden locked journalist in Jew's closet
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It’s now illegal in Russia to share an image of Putin as a gay clown
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61544&p=1

NEW YORK TIMES, RUSSIAN TROLLS
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Saturday, February 27, 2021 10:15 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Yup.

Eventually the cheerleaders of this behavior here will be bitching about free speech again. It's all cyclical. But most people are too stupid to realize it.

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Monday, March 1, 2021 9:09 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Co-founder of Wikipedia is going to launch a new free-speech version of the site.

https://justthenews.com/nation/technology/wikipedia-co-founder-launchi
ng-competitor-website-upset-about-pro-socialism

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