Russia Invades Ukraine. Again by captaincrunch

Nobody gives one single shit about Russia or Ukraine.

How much did you pay for gas today, Cap'n?

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Friday, June 10, 2022 8:00 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody gives one single shit about Russia or Ukraine.

How much did you pay for gas today, Cap'n?

6ix cares because he has written the same line a dozen times.

By the way, 6ix, high price natural gas and gasoline are very good, but just not for angry poor white trash. That is free market capitalism at its best -- taking from the poor, giving to the rich.

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Friday, June 10, 2022 8:39 PM

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Kyiv was founded in 482.

In 1147, the Grand Duke of Kyiv and ruler of the Kyivan Rus’, Yuriy Dolhoruky, issued a decree founding Moscow.

In 2022, Kyiv City Council rescinded this decree, saying it was due to a “historical misunderstanding.”

Moscow no longer exists.

https://minbane.wordpress.com/2022/06/10/https-wp-me-p1xtjg-lg3/

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Friday, June 10, 2022 10:26 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody gives one single shit about Russia or Ukraine.

How much did you pay for gas today, Cap'n?
6ix cares because he has written the same line a dozen times.

Nope. I just like cluing you retards in on reality.

Watch what happens in November. I'm a patient man. I'll tell you every day until then that nobody cares so long as you keep pretending otherwise.

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By the way, 6ix, high price natural gas and gasoline are very good, but just not for angry poor white trash. That is free market capitalism at its best -- taking from the poor, giving to the rich.

I'm not angry. I haven't filled my tank up in a month. The food I happen to buy hasn't even gone up in price either.

Good thing I don't need baby formula and I don't eat tampons, huh?

Oh yeah. And this white trash dude doesn't have rent, a mortgage, credit card debt, school loan debt, a car loan, yada, yada, yada. I'm still easily living off of around $125 per week.

Oh... right. Another thing I don't have is a boss. I'll be celebrating the 3rd anniversary of that in less than two weeks from today.

How was work today, honey?

Democrats are done buddy. Fuck Russia. Fuck Ukraine.

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Friday, June 10, 2022 10:43 PM

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I'm not angry. I haven't filled my tank up in a month. The food I happen to buy hasn't even gone up in price either.

Good thing I don't need baby formula and I don't eat tampons, huh?

Oh yeah. And this white trash dude doesn't have rent, a mortgage, credit card debt, school loan debt, a car loan, yada, yada, yada. I'm still easily living off of around $125 per week.

Oh... right. Another thing I don't have is a boss. I'll be celebrating the 3rd anniversary of that in less than two weeks from today.

How was work today, honey?

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/soaring-gasoline-food-prices-boost-
us-consumer-inflation-may-2022-06-10/

Yup. Don't worry about me, dude. None of this is even impacting me financially.

Worry about the rest of the Americans who couldn't figure out how to balance a budget back when times were good.

And just keep insulting them and telling them "Don't be poor". I'm sure that is going to help your party's chances.

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Friday, June 10, 2022 11:28 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Democrats are done buddy. Fuck Russia. Fuck Ukraine.

Remember the Vietnam War? Win or lose, it made absolutely no difference to me. The War was fought with extreme stupidity by Richard Nixon, but so what? Nixon believed Russia would nuke the USA if North Vietnam was invaded. Nixon lost that war because he was scared of nukes and he compensated by stupidly killing more and more South Vietnamese. Most of the killing should have been happening in NORTH Vietnam, not South. Nixon proved he was a stupid asshole and the people who supported him were assholes, too. Enough time has passed, and economic history, to show that the kind of stupid assholes who voted for Nixon in '72 did not do well in the following 50 years.

I know the people who vote the opposite of what I do and I am not at all surprised that their financial results are the opposite of what I get, too. If that satisfies them, like Nixon satisfied and Trump satisfies them, that is fine with me because their little lives make absolutely no difference to me, not any more than what happened to Vietnam after Nixon.

If Russia conquers Ukraine, like North Vietnam conquered South Vietnam, it makes no difference to me. That would just show that NATO was making bad decisions to let Russia win because NATO believed Putin's empty threats of nuclear war. See what happened in Vietnam when Nixon believed Russia would start a nuclear war if North Vietnam was invaded by land. B-52 bombing ok; land invasion not ok. Mention the magic words "nuclear war" and political cowards crap in their pants and surrender. The cowards don't call it surrendering. Instead, they think they are wise to not send an army across a border into North Vietnam. Very funny how North Vietnam didn't see it as a problem to send an army across into South Vietnam. Or Russia, which can cross a border into Ukraine with its army, but it is very funny that Ukraine can NOT cross the border into Russia with its army without starting a nuclear war. That lack of symmetry at the border makes it much easier for Russia to win.

By the way, Russian hardware can be seen from outer space. NATO would not need to cross a border into Russia to destroy artillery Russia has moved into Ukraine.

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Saturday, June 11, 2022 9:01 AM

My god dude. The same dumb shit from you every single day for 5 and a half fucking years.

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Saturday, June 11, 2022 1:45 PM

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My god dude. The same dumb shit from you every single day for 5 and a half fucking years.

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Oh, they're going to memory-hole Ukraine pretty soon, and all of the "I'm with Ukraine" herd will dutiflly stampede the next "crisis".

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Saturday, June 11, 2022 1:56 PM

http://auth.jacobinmag.com/2022/04/united-states-military-aid-ukraine-
war-weapons

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

OH LOOK! Time to throw Zelenskiy under the bus!

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The US Has No Idea Where Its Ukrainian Military Aid Is Going

By Branko Marcetic

US officials just admitted they don’t know where their arms shipments to Ukraine will actually end up, and that they could fall into dangerous hands.

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Ukraine leaves US in darkness about military actions
The US government has greater intelligence on Russian troops in Ukraine than on Ukrainian forces, according to The New York Times, citing US sources. According to the publication, Kiev is keeping its main military patron in the dark, potentially even misrepresenting Washington in order to safeguard the substantial flow of American military funding into the nation.

https://menafn.com/1104344668/Ukraine-leaves-US-in-darkness-about-mili
tary-actions

So ... don't blame us, Russia, if Prez Elenskiy strikes Russia!

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Biden Throws Zelensky Under The Bus: Ukraine Leader 'Brushed Off' Invasion Warnings
Saturday, Jun 11, 2022 - 06:55 AM

President Joe Biden on Friday told a donors conference in Los Angeles, California on the sidelines of the Summit of the Americas that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky brushed aside US warnings saying a Russian invasion of Ukraine was imminent. He described the situation ahead of the Feb.24 invasion and his communications with Zelensky, according to The Associated Press:

"Nothing like this has happened since World War II. I know a lot of people thought I was maybe exaggerating," Biden said, according to the outlet. He added the US had data that showed Russian President Vladimir Putin was going to invade.

"There was no doubt," Biden continued. "And Zelenskyy didn't want to hear it."

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/biden-throws-zelensky-under-bus
-ukraine-leader-brushed-invasion-warnings

So, don't blame Joe* when shit goes pear-shaped!

Even Ukraine is getting into the "blame game"!

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Ukraine Fears It Might Lose Western Support Over "War Fatigue"
Saturday, Jun 11, 2022 - 08:30 AM
Authored by Dave DeCamp via AntiWar.com,

As the war in Ukraine drags on, Ukrainian officials fear that Kyiv might lose some Western support due to "war fatigue," The Associated Press reported on Friday.

The US and its allies have committed billions of dollars in weapons, but some Western European leaders have been calling for a negotiated solution to end the fighting, an idea Ukrainian officials have rejected.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-fears-it-might-lose-wes
tern-support-over-war-fatigue

Kissinger (at Davos) called for negotiations in Ukraine. Biden* hinted at a negotiated settlement in a NYT editorial.

All of this has the appearance of "backing away slowly" from what is beginning to be recognized as a clusterfuck.

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Saturday, June 11, 2022 5:12 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
My god dude. The same dumb shit from you every single day for 5 and a half fucking years.

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Just wanted to add-

Someone said that SECOND once posted "I found out the only thing I was good at was killing people" ... or words to that effect.

SECOND's lesson from Vietnam wasn't that you shouldn't wage stupid wars, but that you should wage stupid wars better!!!. Which means killing more efficiently with fewer munitions

If that quote is true (and seriously, that level of self-honesty from SECOND is unheard-of) when the only tool in your personal toolkit is murder, then killing is solution to everything.

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Saturday, June 11, 2022 6:13 PM

JAYNEZTOWN

It seems to me that War was fought without objective

I have yet to hear the goals explained to me

if there was a War against Asian Barbary Pirates hijacking American ships taking them hostage, then it would have an objective
if there was a War to kill Hitler, blow up Hitler's base on the Moon and or remove the German Fascist Nazis from France stopping it from expanding to British shores and defeat Germany, that means it had an objective
if there was a Real war to fight a Communist North and establish a 38th parallel which divides a Democratic South Korean people from North that is still an objective

People going to their Deaths in Nam went there for no reason, less life was lost in new battle in Afghanistan but it was also a War without purpose...in a ways I agree with the Biden withdraw not the way it was done looked bad, once bin Laden was captured and killed from Pakistan, what was the reason for all that lost blood and treasure? Also What is Yemen for? What is the purpose to all those Civil Wars in Africa during the ColdWar?
I am also unsure as to what happened in Syria 2014–present ...to get rid of Assad when some of the other protestors and shooters were ISIS? Or is Assad now a 'good guy'?
I suppose one positive is the genocide of Yezidi was prevented.

Russia will probably have another Afghanistan in Ukraine, Russian men with bodies broken their minds damaged for nothing perhaps, refugees on the move again, meanwhile the mom at home suffers, global food prices and oil prices will suffer.

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Sunday, June 12, 2022 12:05 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
My god dude. The same dumb shit from you every single day for 5 and a half fucking years.

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Just wanted to add-

Someone said that SECOND once posted "I found out the only thing I was good at was killing people" ... or words to that effect.

SECOND's lesson from Vietnam wasn't that you shouldn't wage stupid wars, but that you should wage stupid wars better!!!. Which means killing more efficiently with fewer munitions

If that quote is true (and seriously, that level of self-honesty from SECOND is unheard-of) when the only tool in your personal toolkit is murder, then killing is solution to everything.

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I can't say if that was a quote of his or not. Either it happened before I stopped drinking or I just missed it if it was after I sobered up.

It doesn't seem to be something he'd outright admit to, but I have gotten him to go off script when I get him on tilt so maybe.

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Sunday, June 12, 2022 7:43 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:

Just wanted to add-

Someone said that SECOND once posted "I found out the only thing I was good at was killing people" ... or words to that effect.

SECOND's lesson from Vietnam wasn't that you shouldn't wage stupid wars, but that you should wage stupid wars better!!!. Which means killing more efficiently with fewer munitions

If that quote is true (and seriously, that level of self-honesty from SECOND is unheard-of) when the only tool in your personal toolkit is murder, then killing is solution to everything.

What I noticed during the Vietnam War and ever since is that the kind of people who supported Nixon or Trump can create new Truths almost as fast as they can speak. Putin can, too. He created a new Truth about Ukraine. His TV networks spread his new Truth:

Russian President Vladimir Putin paid tribute to Tsar Peter the Great on the 350th anniversary of his birth on Thursday, claiming that modern Russia is once again on a historic quest “to return and fortify” its lost lands. Temporarily erasing any doubt about the true motivation of his invasion of neighboring Ukraine, Putin told an audience of technology students in Moscow that the lot of re-conquering Russia’s former territories fell to their generation.

Russian state television pundits who asserted for months that the “special military operation” was never about occupying any of the Ukrainian territories have changed their tune in the blink of an eye, brushing aside the legend of the mythical Nazis in charge of Ukraine’s government, as well as complaints about “NATO enlargement”.

I wish Putin had said "Believe me" when revealing the new Truth about his Ukraine War. That way we'd know he really means it, this time, unlike previous times. This is final Truth, not some interim Truth before the final Truth.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kremlin-cronies-say-putin-is-ready-to-go
-full-kim-jong-un

If I was a European I would be concerned about how big a chunk of Europe Putin will conquer when I google 'how big was the empire of peter the great'. I might be concerned enough to send NATO into Ukraine. Since Putin sent the Russian Army into Ukraine, he opened the borders of Ukraine. If NATO does what Putin already did to Ukraine, it would only be fair.

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Sunday, June 12, 2022 9:11 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I can't say if that was a quote of his or not. Either it happened before I stopped drinking or I just missed it if it was after I sobered up.

It doesn't seem to be something he'd outright admit to, but I have gotten him to go off script when I get him on tilt so maybe.

That is not a quote from me. Here is a quote from a person using his real name because he is concerned about Putin's intentions:

“We need to make sure that NATO is able and prepared to respond effectively and calibrated to the threats it faces,” Romanian President Klaus Iohannis told reporters after Friday’s meeting. “The alliance needs to be able to defend every inch of its territory.” BY THE WAY, Romania is an inch of NATO territory.

If Iohannis was thinking clearer, he would tell NATO to make its move before Russia crosses an inch into Romania. A convenient place for NATO to practice its moves would be in Ukraine because Ukraine has asked for NATO to practice on Russians who wandered into Ukraine. The Russian soldiers would not agree but they tacitly gave permission for anybody who wants, including NATO, to kill Russians as long as they are on the wrong side of border, inside Ukraine.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-klaus-iohannis-bulgaria-buch
arest-419787bd3b22492102124586393d8892

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Sunday, June 12, 2022 9:31 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I can't say if that was a quote of his or not. Either it happened before I stopped drinking or I just missed it if it was after I sobered up.

It doesn't seem to be something he'd outright admit to, but I have gotten him to go off script when I get him on tilt so maybe.
That is not a quote from me.

You saying so doesn't prove anything. I've got far worse out of you archived.

I still know you're a murderer, Arthur.

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Sunday, June 12, 2022 1:28 PM

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SignyM:
Just wanted to add-
Someone said that SECOND once posted "I found out the only thing I was good at was killing people" ... or words to that effect.
SECOND's lesson from Vietnam wasn't that you shouldn't wage stupid wars, but that you should wage stupid wars better!!!. Which means killing more efficiently with fewer munitions
If that quote is true (and seriously, that level of self-honesty from SECOND is unheard-of) when the only tool in your personal toolkit is murder, then killing is solution to everything.

SECOND: What I noticed during the Vietnam War ... is that the kind of people who supported Nixon ... can create new Truths almost as fast as they can speak.

That describes you, hon. YOU supported Nixon, n'est ce pas?

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Sunday, June 12, 2022 6:39 PM

... stay crunchy...

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Originally posted by second:
I wish Putin had said "Believe me" when revealing the new Truth about his Ukraine War. That way we'd know he really means it, this time, unlike previous times. This is final Truth, not some interim Truth before the final Truth.

Old Russian saying: "Truth is for weaklings with no imagination." Lying is truly freeing - you can say anything you want when you are unrestrained by facts and Truth. For instance, Claims made by the Multimedia Museum of History in Yaroslavl, Russia.

1. The Latin alphabet is Russian.

2. Christopher Columbus was a Russian.

3. Genghis Khan was a Russin.

Bonus: South America was discovered and colonized by the Russians.

These are the people the world is dealing with

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Sunday, June 12, 2022 11:51 PM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
These are the people the world is dealing with

Correction: These are the people that YOU are dealing with because the Legacy Media lives rent free inside your head.

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Monday, June 13, 2022 4:45 AM

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That describes you, hon. YOU supported Nixon, n'est ce pas?

And Putin's Prime Minister supported Putin, until he didn't:

He was Vladimir Putin’s first prime minister but Mikhail Kasyanov never in his worst nightmares imagined that his former boss would unleash a full-scale war on Ukraine.

Speaking to Agence France-Presse in a video interview, Kasyanov, Russia’s prime minister from 2000 to 2004, said he expected the war could last up to two years but he was convinced Russia could return to a democratic path.

The 64-year-old, who championed close ties with the West as prime minister, said that, like many other Russians, he did not believe in the weeks ahead of the war that it would actually happen.

Kasyanov only understood that Putin was not bluffing when he saw him summon the country’s top leadership for a theatrical meeting of the security council three days before the invasion on February 24.

“When I saw the meeting of Russia’s Security Council I realised, yes, there will be a war,” Kasyanov said.

He added that he felt that Putin was already not thinking properly.

“I just know these people and by looking at them I saw that Putin is already out of it. Not in a medical sense but in political terms,” he said.

“I knew a different Putin.”

After being sacked by Putin, Kasyanov joined Russia’s opposition and became one of the Kremlin’s most vocal critics.

He is now the leader of the opposition People’s Freedom party, or Parnas.

Kasyanov said Putin, a former KGB agent who turns 70 in October, has managed over the past 20 years to build a system based on impunity and fear.

“These are the achievements of a system that, with the encouragement of Putin as head of state, has started operating even in a more cynical, cruel manner than in the final stages of the Soviet Union,” he said.

“Essentially, this is a KGB system based on complete lawlessness. It is clear that they do not expect any punishment.”

Kasyanov said he had left Russia because of the war and was living in Europe but he declined to disclose his location out of concern for his safety. His close ally and fellow opposition politician Boris Nemtsov was gunned down near the Kremlin in 2015. Putin’s best-known critic Alexei Navalny, 46, was poisoned with a nerve agent in 2020 and is now in prison.

Kasyanov predicted the war could last for up to two years and said it is imperative that Ukraine win.

“If Ukraine falls, the Baltic states will be next,” he said.

The outcome of the war will also determine Russia’s future, he said.

Kasyanov said he “categorically” disagreed with French President Emmanuel Macron’s suggestion that Putin should not be humiliated.

He also rebuffed calls for Ukraine to cede territory to end the war.

“What has Putin done to deserve this?” he said. “This is an overly pragmatic position.

“I believe this is wrong and hope that the West won’t go down that path.”

Kasyanov believes Putin will eventually be replaced by a “quasi-successor” controlled by the security services. But a successor would not be able to control the system for long and eventually Russia will stage free and fair elections, the former prime minister said.

“I am certain that Russia will return to the path of building a democratic state,” he said.

He estimated it would take about a decade to conduct “de-Communisation” and “de-Putinisation” of the country.

“This will be difficult, especially after this criminal war.”

He said trust would have to be re-established with European countries, which he called Russia’s “natural partners”.

Critics have in the past accused the Russian opposition of being hopelessly divided but Kasyanov said he was confident things would now be different.

“I have no doubt that now, after the tragedy that we are all witnessing, the opposition will unite.”

Russians will face a huge task rebuilding their country, he said.

“Everything will have to be rebuilt anew. Essentially, an entire set of economic and social reforms should be started all over again.

“These are enormous and difficult tasks and they will have to be done.”

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/3181492/russias-ex-pm-s
ays-vladimir-putin-out-it-ukraine-war-could-last

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Monday, June 13, 2022 5:41 AM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
I wish Putin had said "Believe me" when revealing the new Truth about his Ukraine War. That way we'd know he really means it, this time, unlike previous times. This is final Truth, not some interim Truth before the final Truth.

Old Russian saying: "Truth is for weaklings with no imagination." Lying is truly freeing - you can say anything you want when you are unrestrained by facts and Truth. For instance, Claims made by the Multimedia Museum of History in Yaroslavl, Russia.

1. The Latin alphabet is Russian.

2. Christopher Columbus was a Russian.

3. Genghis Khan was a Russian.

Bonus: South America was discovered and colonized by the Russians.

These are the people the world is dealing with

I was thinking you were kidding. But later I decided to look it up. My short research explains so much about Russia:

1. Multimedia museum of the new chronology, Yaroslavl, Russia.
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/tzuuun/multimedia_
museum_of_the_new_chronology_yaroslavl/

2. The Multimedia Museum of The New Chronology
https://privatemuseums.ru/en/about/project-geography/yaroslavl-oblast/
the-multimedia-museum-of-the-new-chronology/

3. The new chronology is a pseudohistorical conspiracy theory proposed by Anatoly Fomenko.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_chronology_(Fomenko)

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Monday, June 13, 2022 7:48 AM

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Relatives of Russian soldiers who died in Ukraine are reluctant to talk to the media. After Vladimir Putin signed a law saying that spreading “fake news” about the Russian military can lead to up to 15 years of prison, it has become unclear what information can or can’t be shared. Also, families might be afraid that if they speak out, they won’t get compensation: The family of a fallen soldier is entitled to a payment of at least 7.4 million rubles (about $120,000). “The government is obliged to pay this money. However, to get it, families have to submit many documents. In Russian reality, this process turns into begging different officials to sign papers, so it seems that it depends on their mercy, though it doesn’t. So, relatives are afraid that they will offend officials with any public actions, and authorities won’t give them what they owe,” says Krivenko.

. . . many don’t comment because they understand that the special operation is “unfair, illegal and pointless,” says Krivenko. “Saying it out loud and processing it will mean that the troop died for nothing. This is incredibly hard to bear.”

https://slate.com/technology/2022/06/russian-soldiers-ukraine-families
.html

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Monday, June 13, 2022 10:59 AM

... stay crunchy...

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I was thinking you were kidding. But later I decided to look it up. My short research explains so much about Russia.

If you haven't already check out Bill Browder's book, Red Notice.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22609522-red-notice

He used a couple choice Stalin quotes - a few more for fun:

https://www.azquotes.com/author/13993-Joseph_Stalin

One of my favs:

"Voters decide nothing. Vote counters decide everything!" huh!

"The death of one man is tragic, but the death of thousands is statistic."

"If there is no body, there is no crime."

A regular Russian Yogi Berra

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Monday, June 13, 2022 12:07 PM

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Russian Forces Seize Center Of Last Holdout City In Luhansk Province
Monday, Jun 13, 2022 - 05:30 AM

On Monday Ukraine's military acknowledged for the first time that Russian forces have taken over the center of the key city of Severodonetsk, considered the last major place of resistance and holdout before pro-Moscow forces take the whole of Luhansk province.

"In the Severodonetsk direction, the enemy, with the support of artillery, carried out assault operations in the city of Severodonetsk, had partial success, pushed our units away from the city center, the fighting continues," the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine announced in a written statement.

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russian-forces-seize-center-last-ho
ldout-city-luhansk-province

Also here
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-seizes-severodonetsk-center-ukraine-wa
r-putin-favor-1715084

Of course, Kiev is asking for more help.

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Monday, June 13, 2022 12:33 PM

THG

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Your stupidity is unfathonable!

Emglish, please!

You really are a clowm.

UnfathoMable.
And now you're a typo-Nazi bc you can't address the point?
That's pretty weak.
MORE grasping at straws.
Try something more substantive.

Honestly - mockery and pointing out spelling errors is all your posts are worth. Same sht, different day.

Agreed G, agreed.

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Monday, June 13, 2022 2:55 PM

... stay crunchy...

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Of course, Kiev is asking for more help.

Best way to kill the invaders.

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Monday, June 13, 2022 4:04 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Of course, Kiev is asking for more help.

Best way to kill the invaders.

There is particular frustration with Germany for being slow on weapons supply. Six weeks after the Bundestag voted overwhelmingly to send heavy weapons to Ukraine, nothing has been received. Howitzers are expected later this month and Gepard mobile artillery in July.

The anxiety is that slow supply is preventing Ukraine from winning. “If we had all the weapons the Germans had been talking about, we would have kicked out the Russians, Kherson would have been liberated,” Arestovych said – before going on to describe Olaf Scholz’s government as “disgraceful” and accusing the chancellor of trying to engage in a flawed balancing act aimed at not hurting the Russians excessively.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/12/ukraine-fears-western-su
pport-will-fade-as-media-loses-interest-in-the-war

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Monday, June 13, 2022 10:07 PM

How much did you dipshits pay for gas today?

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Monday, June 13, 2022 10:07 PM

Fuck Ukraine.

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Tuesday, June 14, 2022 2:28 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

If you want a daily update of the military status in Ukraine (and I don't, but somebody might) you can go here

Now you can't say you didn't know/weren't told.

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Tuesday, June 14, 2022 5:51 PM

THG

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Of course, Kiev is asking for more help.

Best way to kill the invaders.

G, how funny is it comrade signums' tax dollars are funding the Ukrainian army?

Signym, can_you_see_me_laughing?

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Tuesday, June 14, 2022 7:01 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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THUGR: G, how funny is it comrade signums' tax dollars are funding the Ukrainian army?

Oh, so you finally clued in to the fact that I'm American and live in the USA?
Huh

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Signym, can_you_see_me_laughing?

Just like a hyena?

Well, whatever gets you thru the day!

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Tuesday, June 14, 2022 10:32 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If you want a daily update of the military status in Ukraine (and I don't, but somebody might) you can go here

Now you can't say you didn't know/weren't told.

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Did you notice that your link does NOT go anywhere? Therefore you have NOT told anybody anything.

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Wednesday, June 15, 2022 12:05 AM

Fuck Ukraine.

Biden* concurs.

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Wednesday, June 15, 2022 12:35 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I think you can work your way back to the main channel from here.

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Wednesday, June 15, 2022 4:34 AM

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Ukraine has received just 10 per cent of the weapons pledged by the West to help Kyiv to fight off the Russian offensive, the deputy defence minister said on Tuesday (June 14).

"No matter how hard Ukraine tries, no matter how professional our army is, without the help of Western partners we will not be able to win this war."

President Volodymyr Zelensky again appealed for heavy weapons from the West, criticising the "restrained behaviour" of some European leaders which he said had "slowed down arms supplies very much".

"I am grateful for what is coming, but it must come faster."

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/ukraine-has-received-10-of-a
rms-pledged-says-defence-ministry

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Wednesday, June 15, 2022 5:49 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Ah, the "blame game"!
Kiev says they didn't get the weapons they needed (In reality, if they had gotten as many weapons as they asked for, it would have been the equivalent of what they already had, and Russia would have destroyed those, too.)

Our intelligence says they don't know WTF the Kiev army is doing, that they know more about what the Russian Army is doing. (In reality, tactics and strategy were dictated by Washington.)

Biden says Elenskiy "didn't listen" when the USA told him Russia was going to invade imminently. (In reality, Washington used Kiev as a cat's paw to provoke Russia and to provide an excuse for the "monster of all sanctions" war.)

Yep, the finger-pointing and blame-shifting always starts when your side is losing.

Dood, it's all over except the surrender.

What will the neocons do next to distract from the giant military, economic, political, and financial clusterfuck that they landed us into? Start a war with China?

Yeah, THAT'LL help! /snicker

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Wednesday, June 15, 2022 8:27 AM

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Ukraine uses 5,000 to 6,000 artillery rounds a day, while Russia uses 10 times more. (the number of rounds is limited by supply and number of NATO sized 155mm cannons. Ukraine has gone thru its stockpile of rounds for Russian sized 152mm cannons. Ukraine can't fire 155mm rounds that are still in NATO warehouses)

NATO defense ministers attending a two-day meeting starting Wednesday will discuss beefing up weapons supplies to Ukraine.

Zelenskyy pleaded Tuesday for more and faster deliveries of Western arms, specifically asking for anti-missile defense systems.

U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin is hosting a meeting Wednesday of some 50 nations at NATO’s Brussels headquarters to discuss weapons deliveries to Ukraine.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/jens-stoltenberg-ap-nato-ukraine-fi
nland-b2101533.html

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Wednesday, June 15, 2022 11:10 AM

Awwwwwww....

Nobody in Europe cares either.

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Wednesday, June 15, 2022 12:28 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Gosh. Maybe they shouldn't have picked a fight with Russia.

When prices go up more, I'll bet we'll be wishing the same thing

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Wednesday, June 15, 2022 12:56 PM

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Gosh. Maybe they shouldn't have picked a fight with Russia.

Putin said he picked a fight with Ukraine, which is the exact opposite of what you wrote:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-24/full-transcript-vla
dimir-putin-s-televised-address-to-russia-on-ukraine-feb-24

February 24, 2022, 6:07 AM CST

President of Russia Vladimir Putin: Citizens of Russia, friends,

I consider it necessary today to speak again about the tragic events in Donbass and the key aspects of ensuring the security of Russia.

I will begin with what I said in my address on February 21, 2022. I spoke about our biggest concerns and worries, and about the fundamental threats which irresponsible Western politicians created for Russia consistently, rudely and unceremoniously from year to year. I am referring to the eastward expansion of NATO, which is moving its military infrastructure ever closer to the Russian border.

It is a fact that over the past 30 years we have been patiently trying to come to an agreement with the leading NATO countries regarding the principles of equal and indivisible security in Europe. In response to our proposals, we invariably faced either cynical deception and lies or attempts at pressure and blackmail, while the North Atlantic alliance continued to expand despite our protests and concerns. Its military machine is moving and, as I said, is approaching our very border.

Why is this happening? Where did this insolent manner of talking down from the height of their exceptionalism, infallibility and all-permissiveness come from? What is the explanation for this contemptuous and disdainful attitude to our interests and absolutely legitimate demands?

The answer is simple. Everything is clear and obvious. In the late 1980s, the Soviet Union grew weaker and subsequently broke apart. That experience should serve as a good lesson for us, because it has shown us that the paralysis of power and will is the first step towards complete degradation and oblivion. We lost confidence for only one moment, but it was enough to disrupt the balance of forces in the world.

As a result, the old treaties and agreements are no longer effective. Entreaties and requests do not help. Anything that does not suit the dominant state, the powers that be, is denounced as archaic, obsolete and useless. At the same time, everything it regards as useful is presented as the ultimate truth and forced on others regardless of the cost, abusively and by any means available. Those who refuse to comply are subjected to strong-arm tactics.

What I am saying now does not concerns only Russia, and Russia is not the only country that is worried about this. This has to do with the entire system of international relations, and sometimes even US allies. The collapse of the Soviet Union led to a redivision of the world, and the norms of international law that developed by that time – and the most important of them, the fundamental norms that were adopted following WWII and largely formalised its outcome – came in the way of those who declared themselves the winners of the Cold War.

Of course, practice, international relations and the rules regulating them had to take into account the changes that took place in the world and in the balance of forces. However, this should have been done professionally, smoothly, patiently, and with due regard and respect for the interests of all states and one’s own responsibility. Instead, we saw a state of euphoria created by the feeling of absolute superiority, a kind of modern absolutism, coupled with the low cultural standards and arrogance of those who formulated and pushed through decisions that suited only themselves. The situation took a different turn.

There are many examples of this. First a bloody military operation was waged against Belgrade, without the UN Security Council’s sanction but with combat aircraft and missiles used in the heart of Europe. The bombing of peaceful cities and vital infrastructure went on for several weeks. I have to recall these facts, because some Western colleagues prefer to forget them, and when we mentioned the event, they prefer to avoid speaking about international law, instead emphasising the circumstances which they interpret as they think necessary.

Then came the turn of Iraq, Libya and Syria. The illegal use of military power against Libya and the distortion of all the UN Security Council decisions on Libya ruined the state, created a huge seat of international terrorism, and pushed the country towards a humanitarian catastrophe, into the vortex of a civil war, which has continued there for years. The tragedy, which was created for hundreds of thousands and even millions of people not only in Libya but in the whole region, has led to a large-scale exodus from the Middle East and North Africa to Europe.

A similar fate was also prepared for Syria. The combat operations conducted by the Western coalition in that country without the Syrian government’s approval or UN Security Council’s sanction can only be defined as aggression and intervention.

But the example that stands apart from the above events is, of course, the invasion of Iraq without any legal grounds. They used the pretext of allegedly reliable information available in the United States about the presence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. To prove that allegation, the US Secretary of State held up a vial with white power, publicly, for the whole world to see, assuring the international community that it was a chemical warfare agent created in Iraq. It later turned out that all of that was a fake and a sham, and that Iraq did not have any chemical weapons. Incredible and shocking but true. We witnessed lies made at the highest state level and voiced from the high UN rostrum. As a result we see a tremendous loss in human life, damage, destruction, and a colossal upsurge of terrorism.

Overall, it appears that nearly everywhere, in many regions of the world where the United States brought its law and order, this created bloody, non-healing wounds and the curse of international terrorism and extremism. I have only mentioned the most glaring but far from only examples of disregard for international law.

This array includes promises not to expand NATO eastwards even by an inch. To reiterate: they have deceived us, or, to put it simply, they have played us. Sure, one often hears that politics is a dirty business. It could be, but it shouldn’t be as dirty as it is now, not to such an extent. This type of con-artist behaviour is contrary not only to the principles of international relations but also and above all to the generally accepted norms of morality and ethics. Where is justice and truth here? Just lies and hypocrisy all around.

Incidentally, US politicians, political scientists and journalists write and say that a veritable “empire of lies” has been created inside the United States in recent years. It is hard to disagree with this – it is really so. But one should not be modest about it: the United States is still a great country and a system-forming power. All its satellites not only humbly and obediently say yes to and parrot it at the slightest pretext but also imitate its behaviour and enthusiastically accept the rules it is offering them. Therefore, one can say with good reason and confidence that the whole so-called Western bloc formed by the United States in its own image and likeness is, in its entirety, the very same “empire of lies.”

As for our country, after the disintegration of the USSR, given the entire unprecedented openness of the new, modern Russia, its readiness to work honestly with the United States and other Western partners, and its practically unilateral disarmament, they immediately tried to put the final squeeze on us, finish us off, and utterly destroy us. This is how it was in the 1990s and the early 2000s, when the so-called collective West was actively supporting separatism and gangs of mercenaries in southern Russia. What victims, what losses we had to sustain and what trials we had to go through at that time before we broke the back of international terrorism in the Caucasus! We remember this and will never forget.

Properly speaking, the attempts to use us in their own interests never ceased until quite recently: they sought to destroy our traditional values and force on us their false values that would erode us, our people from within, the attitudes they have been aggressively imposing on their countries, attitudes that are directly leading to degradation and degeneration, because they are contrary to human nature. This is not going to happen. No one has ever succeeded in doing this, nor will they succeed now.

Despite all that, in December 2021, we made yet another attempt to reach agreement with the United States and its allies on the principles of European security and NATO’s non-expansion. Our efforts were in vain. The United States has not changed its position. It does not believe it necessary to agree with Russia on a matter that is critical for us. The United States is pursuing its own objectives, while neglecting our interests.

Of course, this situation begs a question: what next, what are we to expect? If history is any guide, we know that in 1940 and early 1941 the Soviet Union went to great lengths to prevent war or at least delay its outbreak. To this end, the USSR sought not to provoke the potential aggressor until the very end by refraining or postponing the most urgent and obvious preparations it had to make to defend itself from an imminent attack. When it finally acted, it was too late.

As a result, the country was not prepared to counter the invasion by Nazi Germany, which attacked our Motherland on June 22, 1941, without declaring war. The country stopped the enemy and went on to defeat it, but this came at a tremendous cost. The attempt to appease the aggressor ahead of the Great Patriotic War proved to be a mistake which came at a high cost for our people. In the first months after the hostilities broke out, we lost vast territories of strategic importance, as well as millions of lives. We will not make this mistake the second time. We have no right to do so.

Those who aspire to global dominance have publicly designated Russia as their enemy. They did so with impunity. Make no mistake, they had no reason to act this way. It is true that they have considerable financial, scientific, technological, and military capabilities. We are aware of this and have an objective view of the economic threats we have been hearing, just as our ability to counter this brash and never-ending blackmail. Let me reiterate that we have no illusions in this regard and are extremely realistic in our assessments.

As for military affairs, even after the dissolution of the USSR and losing a considerable part of its capabilities, today’s Russia remains one of the most powerful nuclear states. Moreover, it has a certain advantage in several cutting-edge weapons. In this context, there should be no doubt for anyone that any potential aggressor will face defeat and ominous consequences should it directly attack our country.

At the same time, technology, including in the defence sector, is changing rapidly. One day there is one leader, and tomorrow another, but a military presence in territories bordering on Russia, if we permit it to go ahead, will stay for decades to come or maybe forever, creating an ever mounting and totally unacceptable threat for Russia.

Even now, with NATO’s eastward expansion the situation for Russia has been becoming worse and more dangerous by the year. Moreover, these past days NATO leadership has been blunt in its statements that they need to accelerate and step up efforts to bring the alliance’s infrastructure closer to Russia’s borders. In other words, they have been toughening their position. We cannot stay idle and passively observe these developments. This would be an absolutely irresponsible thing to do for us.

Any further expansion of the North Atlantic alliance’s infrastructure or the ongoing efforts to gain a military foothold of the Ukrainian territory are unacceptable for us. Of course, the question is not about NATO itself. It merely serves as a tool of US foreign policy. The problem is that in territories adjacent to Russia, which I have to note is our historical land, a hostile “anti-Russia” is taking shape. Fully controlled from the outside, it is doing everything to attract NATO armed forces and obtain cutting-edge weapons.

For the United States and its allies, it is a policy of containing Russia, with obvious geopolitical dividends. For our country, it is a matter of life and death, a matter of our historical future as a nation. This is not an exaggeration; this is a fact. It is not only a very real threat to our interests but to the very existence of our state and to its sovereignty. It is the red line which we have spoken about on numerous occasions. They have crossed it.

This brings me to the situation in Donbass. We can see that the forces that staged the coup in Ukraine in 2014 have seized power, are keeping it with the help of ornamental election procedures and have abandoned the path of a peaceful conflict settlement. For eight years, for eight endless years we have been doing everything possible to settle the situation by peaceful political means. Everything was in vain.

As I said in my previous address, you cannot look without compassion at what is happening there. It became impossible to tolerate it. We had to stop that atrocity, that genocide of the millions of people who live there and who pinned their hopes on Russia, on all of us. It is their aspirations, the feelings and pain of these people that were the main motivating force behind our decision to recognise the independence of the Donbass people’s republics.

I would like to additionally emphasise the following. Focused on their own goals, the leading NATO countries are supporting the far-right nationalists and neo-Nazis in Ukraine, those who will never forgive the people of Crimea and Sevastopol for freely making a choice to reunite with Russia.

They will undoubtedly try to bring war to Crimea just as they have done in Donbass, to kill innocent people just as members of the punitive units of Ukrainian nationalists and Hitler’s accomplices did during the Great Patriotic War. They have also openly laid claim to several other Russian regions.

If we look at the sequence of events and the incoming reports, the showdown between Russia and these forces cannot be avoided. It is only a matter of time. They are getting ready and waiting for the right moment. Moreover, they went as far as aspire to acquire nuclear weapons. We will not let this happen.

I have already said that Russia accepted the new geopolitical reality after the dissolution of the USSR. We have been treating all new post-Soviet states with respect and will continue to act this way. We respect and will respect their sovereignty, as proven by the assistance we provided to Kazakhstan when it faced tragic events and a challenge in terms of its statehood and integrity. However, Russia cannot feel safe, develop, and exist while facing a permanent threat from the territory of today’s Ukraine.

Let me remind you that in 2000–2005 we used our military to push back against terrorists in the Caucasus and stood up for the integrity of our state. We preserved Russia. In 2014, we supported the people of Crimea and Sevastopol. In 2015, we used our Armed Forces to create a reliable shield that prevented terrorists from Syria from penetrating Russia. This was a matter of defending ourselves. We had no other choice.

The same is happening today. They did not leave us any other option for defending Russia and our people, other than the one we are forced to use today. In these circumstances, we have to take bold and immediate action. The people’s republics of Donbass have asked Russia for help.

In this context, in accordance with Article 51 (Chapter VII) of the UN Charter, with permission of Russia’s Federation Council, and in execution of the treaties of friendship and mutual assistance with the Donetsk People’s Republic and the Lugansk People’s Republic, ratified by the Federal Assembly on February 22, I made a decision to carry out a special military operation.

The purpose of this operation is to protect people who, for eight years now, have been facing humiliation and genocide perpetrated by the Kiev regime. To this end, we will seek to demilitarise and denazify Ukraine, as well as bring to trial those who perpetrated numerous bloody crimes against civilians, including against citizens of the Russian Federation.

It is not our plan to occupy the Ukrainian territory. We do not intend to impose anything on anyone by force. At the same time, we have been hearing an increasing number of statements coming from the West that there is no need any more to abide by the documents setting forth the outcomes of World War II, as signed by the totalitarian Soviet regime. How can we respond to that?

The outcomes of World War II and the sacrifices our people had to make to defeat Nazism are sacred. This does not contradict the high values of human rights and freedoms in the reality that emerged over the post-war decades. This does not mean that nations cannot enjoy the right to self-determination, which is enshrined in Article 1 of the UN Charter.

Let me remind you that the people living in territories which are part of today’s Ukraine were not asked how they want to build their lives when the USSR was created or after World War II. Freedom guides our policy, the freedom to choose independently our future and the future of our children. We believe that all the peoples living in today’s Ukraine, anyone who want to do this, must be able to enjoy this right to make a free choice.

In this context I would like to address the citizens of Ukraine. In 2014, Russia was obliged to protect the people of Crimea and Sevastopol from those who you yourself call “nats.” The people of Crimea and Sevastopol made their choice in favour of being with their historical homeland, Russia, and we supported their choice. As I said, we could not act otherwise.

The current events have nothing to do with a desire to infringe on the interests of Ukraine and the Ukrainian people. They are connected with the defending Russia from those who have taken Ukraine hostage and are trying to use it against our country and our people.

I reiterate: we are acting to defend ourselves from the threats created for us and from a worse peril than what is happening now. I am asking you, however hard this may be, to understand this and to work together with us so as to turn this tragic page as soon as possible and to move forward together, without allowing anyone to interfere in our affairs and our relations but developing them independently, so as to create favourable conditions for overcoming all these problems and to strengthen us from within as a single whole, despite the existence of state borders. I believe in this, in our common future.

I would also like to address the military personnel of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

Comrade officers,

Your fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers did not fight the Nazi occupiers and did not defend our common Motherland to allow today’s neo-Nazis to seize power in Ukraine. You swore the oath of allegiance to the Ukrainian people and not to the junta, the people’s adversary which is plundering Ukraine and humiliating the Ukrainian people.

I urge you to refuse to carry out their criminal orders. I urge you to immediately lay down arms and go home. I will explain what this means: the military personnel of the Ukrainian army who do this will be able to freely leave the zone of hostilities and return to their families.

I want to emphasise again that all responsibility for the possible bloodshed will lie fully and wholly with the ruling Ukrainian regime.

I would now like to say something very important for those who may be tempted to interfere in these developments from the outside. No matter who tries to stand in our way or all the more so create threats for our country and our people, they must know that Russia will respond immediately, and the consequences will be such as you have never seen in your entire history. No matter how the events unfold, we are ready. All the necessary decisions in this regard have been taken. I hope that my words will be heard.

Citizens of Russia,

The culture and values, experience and traditions of our ancestors invariably provided a powerful underpinning for the wellbeing and the very existence of entire states and nations, their success and viability. Of course, this directly depends on the ability to quickly adapt to constant change, maintain social cohesion, and readiness to consolidate and summon all the available forces in order to move forward.

We always need to be strong, but this strength can take on different forms. The “empire of lies,” which I mentioned in the beginning of my speech, proceeds in its policy primarily from rough, direct force. This is when our saying on being “all brawn and no brains” applies.

We all know that having justice and truth on our side is what makes us truly strong. If this is the case, it would be hard to disagree with the fact that it is our strength and our readiness to fight that are the bedrock of independence and sovereignty and provide the necessary foundation for building a reliable future for your home, your family, and your Motherland.

Dear compatriots,

I am certain that devoted soldiers and officers of Russia’s Armed Forces will perform their duty with professionalism and courage. I have no doubt that the government institutions at all levels and specialists will work effectively to guarantee the stability of our economy, financial system and social wellbeing, and the same applies to corporate executives and the entire business community. I hope that all parliamentary parties and civil society take a consolidated, patriotic position.

At the end of the day, the future of Russia is in the hands of its multi-ethnic people, as has always been the case in our history. This means that the decisions that I made will be executed, that we will achieve the goals we have set, and reliably guarantee the security of our Motherland.

I believe in your support and the invincible force rooted in the love for our Fatherland.

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Wednesday, June 15, 2022 1:52 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Got about three sentences in and found that, as usual, you misrepresented the content.

Zzz zzz....

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Wednesday, June 15, 2022 2:08 PM

... stay crunchy...

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Gosh. Maybe they shouldn't have picked a fight with Russia.

First it was de-nazification of Ukraine. Remember that one?

Next it was taking over Ukraine's oil and gas (and grain) production.

Now it's re-acquisition of lost (stolen territory) to return to the great empire.

And sprinkled in for more laughs, "it's all the USA's fault for... something... get back to us on that."

We'll wait 'til you get your next email directive for the next one.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
When prices go up more, I'll bet...

... you'll be blaming anyone but the person who started this "Return to Peter the Great." I think maybe Putin has had his brains scramble so hard by ineffective, third rate Ruskie covid drugs that he thinks it's some kind of Disney ride.

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Wednesday, June 15, 2022 2:10 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Pivot to the midterms and a new boogeyman.

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Ukraine - Killing Surrendering Soldiers, Shelling Civilians

At 8:30 UTC today I checked the priorities of the day on major U.S. news websites.

On the New York Times homepage the word "Trump" appeared 10 times, "Ukraine" appeared 5 times.
On the Washington Post homepage the word "Trump" appeared 12 times, "Ukraine" appeared 5 times.
On the Wall Street Journal homepage the word "Trump" appeared 9 times, "Ukraine" appeared 3 times.

The Google Trends graph for Ukraine has fallen to near zero.

. Meanwhile

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"I would like to note that in recent weeks, incidents involving the shooting of Ukrainian servicemen in the back by nationalist units have become more frequent in areas of military operations. ...

troops near Novomikhailovka in Donetsk People's Republic, more than 30 servicemen of the 25th Battalion of the 54th Mechanized Brigade of the AFU decided to lay down their arms and surrender.
Around 10 p.m., AFU servicemen with white flags began moving towards Russian positions.

At that moment, a Ukrainian nationalist barrier unit arrived at the stronghold in armored vehicles and opened crossfire in the back on the servicemen of the 54th Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces."

...The Ukrainian artillery is said to fire only 6,000 rounds per day for lack artillery ammunition. Yesterday 300 projectiles were fired by the Ukrainian army or by 'nationalists' onto civilian areas of 'rebel' held city of Donetsk. There were at lest 7 dead and 22 wounded. Graham Phillips provides a video report of the impacts and damage (vid). To use 5% of the daily ammunition ration to terrorize civilians in Donetsk is not only despicable but dumb as those artillery troops will now receive intensified attention they deserve.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/06/ukraine-killing-surrendering-sol
diers-shelling-civilians.html

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Wednesday, June 15, 2022 2:33 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Got about three sentences in and found that, as usual, you misrepresented the content.

Zzz zzz....

Signym, the more you read of Putin, the better it gets. If you had kept going, you would have read:

As for our country, after the disintegration of the USSR, given the entire unprecedented openness of the new, modern Russia, its readiness to work honestly with the United States and other Western partners, and its practically unilateral disarmament, they immediately tried to put the final squeeze on us, finish us off, and utterly destroy us. This is how it was in the 1990s and the early 2000s, when the so-called collective West was actively supporting separatism and gangs of mercenaries in southern Russia. What victims, what losses we had to sustain and what trials we had to go through at that time before we broke the back of international terrorism in the Caucasus! We remember this and will never forget.

Properly speaking, the attempts to use us in their own interests never ceased until quite recently: they sought to destroy our traditional values and force on us their false values that would erode us, our people from within, the attitudes they have been aggressively imposing on their countries, attitudes that are directly leading to degradation and degeneration, because they are contrary to human nature. This is not going to happen. No one has ever succeeded in doing this, nor will they succeed now.

Despite all that, in December 2021, we made yet another attempt to reach agreement with the United States and its allies on the principles of European security and NATO’s non-expansion. Our efforts were in vain. The United States has not changed its position. It does not believe it necessary to agree with Russia on a matter that is critical for us. The United States is pursuing its own objectives, while neglecting our interests.

Of course, this situation begs a question: what next, what are we to expect? If history is any guide, we know that in 1940 and early 1941 the Soviet Union went to great lengths to prevent war or at least delay its outbreak. To this end, the USSR sought not to provoke the potential aggressor until the very end by refraining or postponing the most urgent and obvious preparations it had to make to defend itself from an imminent attack. When it finally acted, it was too late.

As a result, the country was not prepared to counter the invasion by Nazi Germany, which attacked our Motherland on June 22, 1941, without declaring war. The country stopped the enemy and went on to defeat it, but this came at a tremendous cost. The attempt to appease the aggressor ahead of the Great Patriotic War proved to be a mistake which came at a high cost for our people. In the first months after the hostilities broke out, we lost vast territories of strategic importance, as well as millions of lives. We will not make this mistake the second time. We have no right to do so.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-24/full-transcript-vla
dimir-putin-s-televised-address-to-russia-on-ukraine-feb-24

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Wednesday, June 15, 2022 2:55 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Yeah.. yeah... PUTIN! RUSSIA! STALIN!...

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Wednesday, June 15, 2022 3:07 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Yeah.. yeah... PUTIN! RUSSIA! STALIN!...

Did you actually read the English translation of Putin's speech? Putin said that Russia won't wait, like it did in 1941, for Ukraine to attack Russia. Russia will attack first.

One way for you to fix Putin's speech to match your preferences, Signym, is to claim it was mistranslated. You are welcome to try, but "PUTIN! RUSSIA! STALIN!" (actual quote of your own words) is not a new translation.

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Wednesday, June 15, 2022 3:55 PM

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Why one Ukraine struggle is everyone’s

Russia’s targeting of churches has reinforced Ukrainian resolve to defend religious liberty – and the freedom it allows for individual conscience.

June 15, 2022
By the Monitor's Editorial Board

One running tally in the Ukraine war is the number of churches damaged or destroyed by the Russian military. During a TV address in early June, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy announced that 113 churches had been attacked since the Feb. 24 invasion. His larger point to the Ukrainian people? The struggle to save Ukraine is also a defense of religious liberty.

Protecting that freedom – among others – may indeed be a big motivator for Ukrainian fighters. After all, the largely Christian nation elected a Jew as president – Mr. Zelenskyy – by a landslide in 2019. Ukraine’s religious leaders often speak of freedom of conscience in choosing and practicing a faith. Its main faiths – Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant – cooperate on issues, not merely coexist. During the 2013-14 Maidan revolution, clergy offered prayers, comfort, and serenity to pro-democracy protesters in the capital, Kyiv.

One reason given for the war is a fear by President Vladimir Putin that Ukraine’s various Orthodox churches have broken or are breaking away from the authority of the Russian Orthodox Church, which aligns itself with the Kremlin’s autocracy. That drift undercuts a belief in Russia that it is the center of the Orthodox world.

The attacks on Ukrainian churches may be aimed at sending a message against religious freedom. But they serve another purpose. “Given that the church as an institution of society enjoys the greatest level of trust of the citizens of Ukraine, religious figures are one of the biggest obstacles for the Russian invaders,” Maksym Vasin, executive director of the Institute for Religious Freedom, told Devex, a news site on global development.

Such attacks are not a surprise to Ukrainians. After Russia took Crimea by force in 2014 – a response to the success of the Maidan revolution – it suppressed all faiths in the peninsula other than the Russian Orthodox Church. Now the war in 2022 is again reinforcing Ukraine’s national narrative that it is a country that honors individual rights, especially religious liberty.

Freedom, however, is only a means to an end. “I have to be free in order to love,” says The Right Rev. Dr. Andriy Chirovsky at Toronto’s St. Michael’s College and an expert on Eastern Christianity. Being able to love is what it means to be created in the image and likeness of God, he told The Catholic Register while speaking about the Ukraine war.

During his TV address on June 4, the Ukrainian president pleaded with Russian troops to stop attacking churches. He was appealing to their conscience, perhaps out of a deep love. That is what religions do. They appeal to people to think from higher principles. As Ukrainians defend their own religious liberty, they are doing so for everyone.

https://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/the-monitors-view/2022/0615/Why-o
ne-Ukraine-struggle-is-everyone-s

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Wednesday, June 15, 2022 6:03 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Gosh. Maybe they shouldn't have picked a fight with Russia.

When prices go up more, I'll bet we'll be wishing the same thing

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Everybody in America except for rich white Democrats and people like me who have prepped for this day all their lives already have, a long time ago.

When gas hits $10 we're going to go back to having witch trials.

Keep bringing on the pain, Joe*. Watch the people devolve into Lord of the Flies under your watch.

I've got plenty of popcorn for the show.

Meanwhile though... Seriously. Stock up on shit now.

They're not telling you this, but the price of everything is going way up between late July and sometime in September. The lack of fertilizers and their impact on the harvests are about to send shockwaves through the economy.

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Wednesday, June 15, 2022 6:04 PM