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Russian losses in Ukraine

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Originally posted by SignyM:

There is a great deal we don't know. We may have to wait for real evidence. Don't run yourself off a cliff with beliefs and emotions and factoids.

What Russia needs is for Ukraine to make heaps of Russian Army corpses for the Moscow evening TV news, then set them on fire. May their smoke rise forever and ever.

Patriarch Kirill of Moscow knows the meaning of Revelation 14:11
https://biblehub.com/revelation/14-11.htm

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Thursday, May 12, 2022 5:59 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


They seem to have pulled most troops from the North East flanks and moved down to the South East

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
He had no choice?



Any Update on Maps of the conflict zones? As to what might be happening?


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Thursday, May 12, 2022 6:56 PM

THG


Oh no comrade Signym Oh no. I told you so.

Can___you___see___me___laughing?

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How did Russia lose an ‘entire battalion’ crossing a Ukrainian bridge? | Ben Hodges






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Thursday, May 12, 2022 8:51 PM

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Originally posted by THG:

How did Russia lose an ‘entire battalion’ crossing a Ukrainian bridge? | Ben Hodges

Pictures
https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/1524742847664173057

You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common.
They don’t alter their views to fit the facts.
They alter the facts to fit their views.
Doctor Who
(1977)

https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/people-are-sharing-doctor-whos-wa
rning-about-alternative-facts-from-40-years-ago
/

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Friday, May 13, 2022 1:36 AM

SIGNYM

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You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common.
They don’t alter their views to fit the facts.They alter the facts to fit

According to you, that describes you (powerful) and according to his posts, that describes THUGR. (stupid)

Neither one describes me.

I will look into this event and see what turns up OURSIDE of the M$M. If there was a debacle I don't expect Russia to admit to it, but perhaps there's an unbiased analysis of the photos our there

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Friday, May 13, 2022 2:00 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common.
They don’t alter their views to fit the facts.
They alter the facts to fit their views.
Doctor Who
(1977)



I'm going to assume that this post was in reference to how the female Dr. Who's writers retconned the entire 60 year old show to fit their views and lost their entire audience then?

If you're not aware, that's just one more example of Leftist cancer destroying culture.

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Friday, May 13, 2022 7:28 AM

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Ukraine Is Starting To Win This War by Sean Kernan

A specific breakdown of how the new systems will win.

The war is slipping out of Putin’s hands, and it’s never been more apparent.

Here’s the problem: Russia relies on siege-style warfare from the Soviet Era.

It has a simple formula. Stand outside enemy range. Bomb them to smithereens. Then send in infantry to clean up.


But now, that plan is backfiring. I’ll explain.

Javelins and drones still matter in a big way, but we are now in an artillery battle in Eastern Ukraine.

The US has sent anti-artillery radars that trace incoming artillery shells.

Every time Russia fires, they reverse engineer the trajectory of an incoming round and point to a map and say, “Aim here.”

Ukrainians are pairing fantastic intelligence with US howitzer cannons that have a range of 18 miles. Germany also sent 7 PZH 2000s cannons, which are the most powerful tube artillery in the world, with a range of 25 miles.

When going tit-for-tat, they can strike from well outside the range of Russian artillery.

Even further, Russia is in unfriendly territory. Every time they attempt to move, they are subject to ambushes. Citizens in nearby homes are calling intelligence in to Ukraine’s Armed forces.

Additionally, Russia’s equipment repositions much slower than Ukraine's. Russian forces move like a bloated and dis-coordinated barge.

Even worse, Russia cannot supplement its forces properly with air support.

Ukraine has an obscene amount of anti-aircraft weaponry at its disposal. Every day, more weapons flow across its border.

Ukraine Strikes Back

Howitzers can be quickly reloaded and adjusted.

It fires a single round that is accurate within 30 feet from 12 miles away, and its explosion has a kill radius of 50 meters (kill radius means 50% of people in that radius will be killed).

It can also be quickly repositioned before the enemy can reset and refire.

The US has sent 90 Howitzers alongside 72 transport units to reposition them quickly. Several Ukrainian squads have already flown to the US and been trained on this equipment and are now training other peers while using the cannons.

When artillery arrives in Ukraine, it is ready out of the box.

Russia’s problem(s): the tale of two logistics

What’s incredible is how fast the US delivers weapons systems, heavy artillery, and supplies into Ukraine. It is making Russia’s logistics look like amateur hour.

Russia’s mobile artillery is extremely fuel consuming, and they go through a huge volume of rounds that need to be carted in.

For context, the US also sent 180,000 rounds of artillery (a single round weighs 95 lbs — you can’t just throw 500 rounds in a bag).

Ukraine’s artillery is now hitting Russia’s supply routes with ruthless accuracy from miles outside of their range. This is part of what is stalling Russia’s efforts.

Allied intelligence and satellite imagery are painting a vivid picture of enemy movements in Ukraine and Russia. In many cases, Russian forces don’t know what hit them.

Ukraine is also striking fuel supplies just over the Russian border (though they refrain from directly admitting this).

There has also been a string of mysterious fires in Russia, either because of sabotaging or infiltrating soldiers.

Russians are getting mauled in the east

Ukraine is reclaiming territory, pushing 40 kM deeper into the Kharkiv region in the past week.

Any minor gains Russia claims are simply because Ukraine redirects forces with greater precision, applying pressure in thoughtful and strategic ways.

Russia’s attempts to push towards Odessa have stalled at Mykolaiv. Their desire to create a land bridge from Crimea to Moldova is doomed. Why?

You need good forward artillery spotters (including drones and other intelligence) to advance on defensive positions to then place shots properly and move forward.

This matters because most artillery battles use “shoot and scoot” tactics.

When you fire at the enemy, you can assume the enemy will roughly know where you are and return fire. Agility matters. Ukraine has it. Russia does not.

In an artillery battle, whoever can find and target enemy artillery the fastest, with the most accuracy, tends to be the one who wins.

Additionally, artillery is particularly vulnerable to ambush attacks with NLAWs and Javelins. Like tanks, artillery isn’t designed to fight alone, and Russia has done a piss poor job of protecting their equipment.

The final problem

Infantry combat is intimate and deadly. If your soldiers aren’t motivated and morale is down, you’ll have to use cow prodders to move them forward.

Russian losses are catastrophic. Seven (possibly 10) generals have been killed because they were in forward positions trying to motivate soldiers.

We’ve heard multiple hacked phone calls of soldiers complaining about morale and footage of Russian citizens firebombing recruiting stations to avoid conscription.

Russia’s advantages have turned into its weaknesses. They now face a better version of themselves in the east of Ukraine. Kamikaze drones are diving out of the sky at will. Ukrainian artillery is outperforming their own.

If your men don’t want to fight in infantry combat, and you can’t win in ranged combat, what are you left with? Threatening nuclear strikes.

You don’t threaten nuclear strikes when you are winning a war.


Every day that goes by results in Ukraine getting more equipment, training, intelligence, and funding to fight off Russia. It’s only a matter of time.

https://seanjkernan.medium.com/ukraine-is-starting-to-win-this-war-728
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Friday, May 13, 2022 7:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common.
They don’t alter their views to fit the facts.
They alter the facts to fit their views.
Doctor Who
(1977)



I'm going to assume that this post was in reference to how the female Dr. Who's writers retconned the entire 60 year old show to fit their views and lost their entire audience then?

If you're not aware, that's just one more example of Leftist cancer destroying culture.

I predicted Signym and 6ix would make the comments they did about Doctor Who. But warning them might have stopped them from turning the meaning of Doctor Who upside down and backwards.

Despite it being a kid's show, probably neither Signym nor 6ix understood what it was about, although they strongly believe they do. I also doubt they understood what the writers were doing with Firefly.

Signym and 6ix probably never even grasped that Adam Baldwin was cast as Jayne because Jayne is the direct opposite of all the other crew. Adam Baldwin's politics (direct opposite of every other actor on the show) got Baldwin hired for the job of playing Jayne because Jayne has to bring the dissonance to the crew.

Adam Baldwin @AdamBaldwin tweeted
Unpleasant Facts:
“The moment you pursue truth is the moment you leave the Left. You cannot believe in truth and be of the Left.” - @DennisPrager
1:49 PM · May 11, 2022·Tweetbot for iOS
https://twitter.com/AdamBaldwin/status/1524461812548177920

Adam Baldwin Retweeted
Dinesh D'Souza @DineshDSouza (DSouza is a well known wacko/ultra-conservative propagandist for the GOP)
Ironically the leak has PREPARED the country for the overturning of Roe v. Wade. It’s no longer a cataclysmic shock. We’re expecting it. The Left has already tried and failed to legislatively preempt it. America is already in the post-Roe era.
8:52 PM · May 12, 2022·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/1524930652994420736

The crew can work with Jayne, but don't let him be in charge because his judgment is terrible. Likewise with Adam Baldwin's judgment. Baldwin is Jayne, all the way to Baldwin's obsessions about guns.

P.S. -- Adam Baldwin deletes old tweets so that Hollywood can't track his opinions older than a month. At the moment, his story only goes back to April 26th. Better read his tweets soon, before deletion. He is paranoid and sneaky, along with the other traits he shares with Jayne. The Firefly writers knew his traits before he got hired. Baldwin has many opinions on all subjects, same as Jayne:

Adam Baldwin @AdamBaldwin
It was obvious that the whole damned thing was a scam cover-up in early 2020; when famous people that contracted the WuFlu refused to share their Rx with the world.
Zinc ionophore Hcq was suppressed by Fauci et ilk.
Now we know why.
8:44 AM · Apr 26, 2022·Tweetbot for iOS
https://twitter.com/AdamBaldwin/status/1518949257696268295

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Big guns and small drones: The devastating combo Ukraine is using to fight off Russia

Heavy artillery uses an “adjusted fire” approach, meaning small changes to trajectory are made between each salvo until a target is hit. For decades, that meant armies sending personnel to the front lines and radioing instructions to the gunners several miles back. But experts say Ukrainian forces are going one better by harnessing widely available drone technology to provide real-time surveillance data on Russian targets and fire their heavy weapons with unprecedented accuracy.

Most of the drones are commercially available multirotor aircraft typically used in the media, agriculture and engineering sectors. They can operate for up to 30 minutes and as far as 7 kilometers (4.3 miles) into enemy territory.

Soldiers control the drones, relaying location and topographic data to artillery batteries via military channels on Telegram. “They are providing real-time information: ‘OK, guys, 100 meters to the left, 50 meters to the right,’ that kind of thing,” Iakovenko said.

That’s what makes new technology revolutionary, not just having it in the field but how you use it.

The surveillance and reconnaissance benefits provided by drones would mean little without the heavy artillery to back them up, and this was a problem for Ukraine in the conflict’s opening days.

The heavy artillery arriving from NATO allies allows Ukraine to regularly replenish its ammunition stocks, also from NATO. That’s hugely important, particularly if you think the war is going to last a long time. A million shells weighs about 100 million pounds, or 50,000 tons and Ukraine can't make that many per year when Russia is destroying the Ukrainian factories making shells. I guess Russia's next move is to fire missiles at NATO's factories to stop the flow of shells to Ukraine. Then NATO fires missiles at Russian factories making shells for the war in Ukraine.

More at https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ukraine-army-uses-guns-weapons-dron
e-combo-rcna27881


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Friday, May 13, 2022 9:20 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common.
They don’t alter their views to fit the facts.
They alter the facts to fit their views.
Doctor Who
(1977)



I'm going to assume that this post was in reference to how the female Dr. Who's writers retconned the entire 60 year old show to fit their views and lost their entire audience then?

If you're not aware, that's just one more example of Leftist cancer destroying culture.

I predicted Signym and 6ix would make the comments they did about Doctor Who. But warning them might have stopped them from turning the meaning of Doctor Who upside down and backwards.

Despite it being a kid's show, probably neither Signym nor 6ix understood what it was about, although they strongly believe they do.



You don't get to say that and then not follow it up with anything of substance.



Quote:

I also doubt they understood what the writers were doing with Firefly.

Signym and 6ix probably never even grasped that Adam Baldwin was cast as Jayne because Jayne is the direct opposite of all the other crew. Adam Baldwin's politics (direct opposite of every other actor on the show) got Baldwin hired for the job of playing Jayne because Jayne has to bring the dissonance to the crew.



And yet Joss still made him a good guy, among a crew of almost-nearly-bad good guys.

Hmmmmm... According to your post history here, Jayne should have been the Hands of Blue... or at least Niska.

And the rest of the crew should have been Captain Picard, Captain Janeway and the most righteous crew members of The Next Generation and Voyager.

Shut up, idiot.



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Friday, May 13, 2022 10:45 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


How did this turn into a thread about Dr Who?

I watched maybe one or two eps. All I was doing was noticing how the comment about powerful and stupid people reflects directly on SECOND and THUGR.

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Friday, May 13, 2022 2:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
How did this turn into a thread about Dr Who?

I watched maybe one or two eps. All I was doing was noticing how the comment about powerful and stupid people reflects directly on SECOND and THUGR.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake


Couple of things come to mind to why Doctor Who:

#1) This is very straight forward as to what it means:

You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common.
They don’t alter their views to fit the facts.
They alter the facts to fit their views.
Doctor Who
(1977)

https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/people-are-sharing-doctor-whos-wa
rning-about-alternative-facts-from-40-years-ago
/

#2) The Ukraine/Russia War started because Putin altered facts about Ukraine to fit his views about Ukraine. See #1. Ukraine will kill Putin's military until Putin alters his views or his facts or both.

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Friday, May 13, 2022 2:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

And yet Joss still made him a good guy, among a crew of almost-nearly-bad good guys.

Hmmmmm... According to your post history here, Jayne should have been the Hands of Blue... or at least Niska.

And the rest of the crew should have been Captain Picard, Captain Janeway and the most righteous crew members of The Next Generation and Voyager.

Shut up, idiot.

Nobody who runs a successful business would give Jayne a job where he is not constantly being supervised. Jayne can't be trusted. Niska and the Hands of Blue would never let Jayne into their organizations but Mal did. Why? Mal does NOT run a successful business. Mal makes terrible decisions that nearly get himself killed or bankrupted or grounded without the cash to buy rocket fuel. Not firing Jayne is just one more terrible decision by Mal.

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Friday, May 13, 2022 5:26 PM

BRENDA


I took everything Adam Baldwin said on the OB with a huge grain of salt, not that it didn't make me want to punch his lights out at times.

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Originally posted by Brenda:
I took everything Adam Baldwin said on the OB with a huge grain of salt, not that it didn't make me want to punch his lights out at times.

Adam Baldwin is a jerk, same as Jayne.

If I was playing cards with Jayne or with Adam Baldwin, and he made a snide remark accusing me of cheating when I took the entire pot, I won't shrug it off as nothing. Instead, I would beat him unconscious. Adam did just that, today, and deserves a beating when he Retweeted:

Dinesh D'Souza @DineshDSouza
Having crossed $10 million in revenue, “2000 Mules” is now the most successful political documentary in a decade. I should know—it’s the most profitable and most talked-about documentary since my own “2016: Obama’s America,” released 10 years ago in 2012
https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/1524890519188525058

“2000 Mules” says the Democrats stole the election and Trump is the rightful President.

Adam Baldwin deserves to be knocked down and stomped for that sentiment, but that is also true of many Trump voters and many Russians who believe Ukraine is Russia's property stolen by Nazis.

“2000 Mules” - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt18924506/

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Friday, May 13, 2022 7:23 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

And yet Joss still made him a good guy, among a crew of almost-nearly-bad good guys.

Hmmmmm... According to your post history here, Jayne should have been the Hands of Blue... or at least Niska.

And the rest of the crew should have been Captain Picard, Captain Janeway and the most righteous crew members of The Next Generation and Voyager.

Shut up, idiot.

Nobody who runs a successful business would give Jayne a job where he is not constantly being supervised. Jayne can't be trusted. Niska and the Hands of Blue would never let Jayne into their organizations but Mal did. Why? Mal does NOT run a successful business. Mal makes terrible decisions that nearly get himself killed or bankrupted or grounded without the cash to buy rocket fuel. Not firing Jayne is just one more terrible decision by Mal.



Untrue. But it's no surprise that you don't understand Firefly.

Jayne has a redemption arc.

You are a completely static character that is just as evil and wrong about everything as you were the first day you posted here.

You aren't even a background character. You are background noise.

Any opinion you've ever had I could get straight from Vox or Mother Jones before you regurgitate it.

You are a meat popsicle.

A waste of carbon.

Better luck to your atoms the next time they return to the earth and spawn something new. Hopefully it's something worthwhile.

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Friday, May 13, 2022 7:24 PM

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Putin got himself into a legal tangle. Because Putin won't declare war on Ukraine, Putin's soldiers can refuse to fight in Ukraine:

Dmitri told his commanders that he refused to rejoin the invasion. “They were furious. But they eventually calmed down because there wasn’t much they could do,” he said.

He was soon transferred to Belgorod, a Russian city close to the border with Ukraine, where he has been stationed since. “I have served for five years in the army. My contract ends in June. I will serve my remaining time and then I am out of here,” he said. “I have nothing to be ashamed of. We aren’t officially in a state of war, so they could not force me to go.”

Dmitri’s refusal to fight highlights some of the military difficulties the Russian army has faced as a result of the Kremlin’s political decision not to formally declare war on Ukraine – preferring instead to describe the invasion, which will soon reach its fourth month, as a “special military operation”.

Under Russian military rules, troops who refuse to fight in Ukraine can face dismissal but cannot be prosecuted, said Mikhail Benyash, a lawyer who has been advising soldiers who choose that option.

Benyash said “hundreds and hundreds” of soldiers had been in touch with his team for advice on how they could avoid being sent to fight. Among them were 12 national guardsmen from Russia’s southern city of Krasnodar who were fired after refusing to go to Ukraine.

“Commanders try to threaten their soldiers with prison time if they dissent, but we tell the soldiers that they can simply say no,” Benyash said, adding that he was not aware of any criminal cases against soldiers who refused to fight. “There are no legal grounds to start a criminal case if a soldier refuses to fight while on Russian territory.”

Many soldiers, therefore, have chosen to be fired or transferred rather than going into “the meat grinder”, he said.

A similar account to Dmitri’s was given to the BBC’s Russian service by Sergey Bokov, a 23-year-old soldier who at the end of April decided to leave the army after fighting in Ukraine. “Our commanders didn’t even argue with us because we were not the first ones to leave,” Bokov said.

Pointing to Russia’s military laws, Benyash said it would be more difficult for soldiers to refuse to fight if Russia were to declare a full-scale war. “During wartime, rules are totally different. Refusal then would mean much harsher penalties. They would be looking at time in prison.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/12/they-were-furious-the-ru
ssian-soldiers-refusing-to-fight-in-ukraine


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Friday, May 13, 2022 7:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Untrue. But it's no surprise that you don't understand Firefly.

Jayne has a redemption arc.

You are a completely static character that is just as evil and wrong about everything as you were the first day you posted here.

You aren't even a background character. You are background noise.

Any opinion you've ever had I could get straight from Vox or Mother Jones before you regurgitate it.

You are a meat popsicle.

A waste of carbon.

Better luck to your atoms the next time they return to the earth and spawn something new. Hopefully it's something worthwhile.

Jayne has a redemption arc? Have you been reading film criticism? Jayne is an asshole from start to finish. He tries to be "good" but is too selfish and dishonest to be trusted, too controlled by his animal lustiness, and too stupid to be left unsupervised.

In the movie, Jayne intended to sell River to the Alliance. The script where Wash lives, below, made that very clear about Jayne, but to stop him, River knocked Jayne unconscious in both versions of the movie. That is Jayne's redemption arc.

In Ukraine, Russians are stealing a country. What is their redemption arc? Spoiler Alert!
It's Ukrainians kill Russians.

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Friday, May 13, 2022 8:47 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Hmmmmm.

Ukraine seems to be about Dr. Who and 2020 Election Theft. At least I understand the 2nd connection.

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Friday, May 13, 2022 9:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Hmmmmm.

Ukraine seems to be about Dr. Who and 2020 Election Theft. At least I understand the 2nd connection.

Can you understand this story?

Russian troops booby-trap 10-year-old girl's piano. Horrified mother finds grenade hidden inside instrument after returning to family home ransacked by Putin's soldiers.

Forced to flee their home in Bucza following Russia's invasion, Tatiana Monko returned home with daughter Daryna last week.

Despite their apartment being ransacked and Daryna's prized autographed poster of her favourite band being ripped to pieces, the first thing she wanted to do was play her piano.

But as the talented 10-year-old sat down and began playing, Tatiana noticed that her daughter's trophies on top of the piano had been moved.

Lifting the lid and peering inside, the horrified mother spotted the explosive, a VOG-25P grenade, attached to the piano's hammers.

'We want to shout to the whole world - use all possible means to stop this.'

'Isolate Russia, isolate its culture and figures, because everything it does to preserve the image of a civilized state is in fact the same as the explosive in the piano.'

After being removed by Ukrainian bomb disposal experts, Anton Geraszchenko from the country's Ministry of Internal Affairs said: 'Miraculously, the grenade hidden in her piano didn't go off.

'Thanks to the mother's vigilance, nobody was hurt and the grenade was disarmed by specialists.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10814183/Russian-troops-booby
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Friday, May 13, 2022 10:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Untrue. But it's no surprise that you don't understand Firefly.

Jayne has a redemption arc.

You are a completely static character that is just as evil and wrong about everything as you were the first day you posted here.

You aren't even a background character. You are background noise.

Any opinion you've ever had I could get straight from Vox or Mother Jones before you regurgitate it.

You are a meat popsicle.

A waste of carbon.

Better luck to your atoms the next time they return to the earth and spawn something new. Hopefully it's something worthwhile.

Jayne has a redemption arc? Have you been reading film criticism? Jayne is an asshole from start to finish. He tries to be "good" but is too selfish and dishonest to be trusted, too controlled by his animal lustiness, and too stupid to be left unsupervised.

In the movie, Jayne intended to sell River to the Alliance. The script where Wash lives, below, made that very clear about Jayne, but to stop him, River knocked Jayne unconscious in both versions of the movie. That is Jayne's redemption arc.

In Ukraine, Russians are stealing a country. What is their redemption arc? Spoiler Alert!
It's Ukrainians kill Russians.

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It was an incomplete redemption arc as the show was cut short LOOOOOOOOONG before it ever should have been.

The movie is bullshit and I outright refuse to accept it as Cannon. And now that you mention it, the ONLY thing Serenity got right was not forcing a fake 180 for Jayne since he hadn't yet completed that arc and they crammed and rushed every other goddamned Firefly topic you could imagine into 90 minutes.


In the real world, people don't magically become good guys overnight, and many of them never do.

But if you never start trying, you're never going to be a good person yourself.


It takes a lot of work. It often doesn't come easy.

I don't hold much hope that you'll ever become a good person, but everybody has the ability to turn things around.

Good luck.

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A recent poll by Russia’s Levada Center, which is not a state-run group, found that public support for “the actions of the Russian armed forces in Ukraine” remains high at 74 percent.

But a lot of that support is for the war as it’s being portrayed on Russian television, rather than support for what’s actually going on in Ukraine.

It’s support for a limited operation, conducted surgically to avoid civilian casualties in order to prevent a neo-Nazi regime from getting nukes and committing genocide.

If that’s what you’re presented with, I’m not surprised that a lot of people will say — yes, that sounds like a perfectly appropriate war. But what happens once reality starts to confront them as more people come back from the battlefield? Maybe an incomplete redemption arc.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-tv-jokes-nuclear-missiles-lo
ndon-putin-propaganda-ukraine-war-rcna28067


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Saturday, May 14, 2022 6:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

How did this turn into a thread about Dr Who?

I watched maybe one or two eps. All I was doing was noticing how the comment about powerful and stupid people reflects directly on SECOND and THUGR.






Oh no comrade Signym. What the hell has happened to your wonderful, powerful army?

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Dateline investigates the Russian military and patriotic education programs turning children into soldiers and reveals why so many young Russians are willing to fight for Putin.

Download the video from https://comment.rlsbb.ru/dateline-au-2022-05-10-putins-child-soldiers-
720p-hdtv-x264-cbfm
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Saturday, May 14, 2022 9:57 AM

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How about we talk about something that matters before Democrats are destroyed in November?

Tick Tock

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
How about we talk about something that matters before Democrats are destroyed in November?

Putin tricked or convinced Russians that Ukrainians are Nazis. Then these child soldiers, now grown up, slaughter the Nazis. Trump convinced his people that Democrats are cancer, more or less the same as Putin convincing Russians that Ukrainians are Nazis. In November, Democrats are destroyed. I'm sorry you can't see parallels between Putin and Trump, but it is completely unsurprising that Russians are so easily tricked because I have seen Trump succeed at tricking Americans, despite Trump being clumsy at performing his magic trick compared to how smoothly Putin performs the same trick of persuasion and salesmanship.

Filmed in the lead up to the war in Ukraine, Dateline investigates the Russian military and patriotic education programs turning children into soldiers and reveals why so many young Russians are willing to fight for Putin.

https://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/2031396419862/putins-child-soldi
ers




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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
How about we talk about something that matters before Democrats are destroyed in November?

Putin



FAIL.

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Saturday, May 14, 2022 11:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

FAIL.

Wrong. I proved a fact about your character. Don't feel bad. Trump voters share that particular characteristic. Too bad how it causes trouble for the Trump voters with the billions in the world who despise Trump and, especially, Putin.

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Saturday, May 14, 2022 12:44 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


It looks like the DNC's next talking point (after Ukraine gets its ass handed to it) is going to be all Putin, all the time. I can see the M$M is setting it up, and SECOND faithfully following the script. With the memory of goldfish, some people will forget the last "crisis" and instantly pivot to the next "crisis", no matter how hollow they are.

By constantly shifting "crises", the globalists and their allied DNC/CIA don't have to address inflation, shortages, border (in)security, crime, debt, wholsesale Constitution-shredding, power-grabs by government etc etc.

Well, the DNC may (try to) ignore inflation, but inflation won't ignore them.


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Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:41 PM

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Oh no comrade Signym Oh no. I told you so.

Can___you___see___me___laughing?

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How did Russia lose an ‘entire battalion’ crossing a Ukrainian bridge? | Ben Hodges







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Saturday, May 14, 2022 2:37 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Event has been confirmed by third-party sources. No doubt it is a bloody nose for Russian army. The Kiev army is fighting hard, and there are losses on both sides.

That is the nature of "war of attrition".

But IMHO it will not change the final outcome bc Kiev's army is reportedly losing hundreds of men per day, either killed, wounded, or surrendered.

I made a prediction (by end of year half of Ukraine will be in Russia's hands, the US economy will be in recession and EU will be worse; or most of the globe will be a great smoking ruin) and I see no reason to change it. No matter how much blather you post.

If I change my mind, you'll be the second to know.

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Saturday, May 14, 2022 2:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

FAIL.

Wrong. I proved a fact about your character. Don't feel bad. Trump voters share that particular characteristic. Too bad how it causes trouble for the Trump voters with the billions in the world who despise Trump and, especially, Putin.



lol

You're a morality vacuum, Arthur. The place where anything good goes to die.

Your opinion means nothing to anyone.

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Saturday, May 14, 2022 2:46 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

6IXSTRINGJACK:

FAIL.

SECOND: Wrong. I proved a fact about your character. Don't feel bad. Trump voters share that particular characteristic. Too bad how it causes trouble for the Trump voters with the billions in the world who despise Trump and, especially, Putin.

SIX: lol
You're a morality vacuum, Arthur. The place where anything good goes to die.
Your opinion means nothing to anyone.

No shit. I'm surprised SECOND can live with itself.

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Saturday, May 14, 2022 5:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:

Event has been confirmed by third-party sources. No doubt it is a bloody nose for Russian army. The Kiev army is fighting hard, and there are losses on both sides.

That is the nature of "war of attrition".

But IMHO it will not change the final outcome bc Kiev's army is reportedly losing hundreds of men per day, either killed, wounded, or surrendered.

I made a prediction (by end of year half of Ukraine will be in Russia's hands, the US economy will be in recession and EU will be worse; or most of the globe will be a great smoking ruin) and I see no reason to change it. No matter how much blather you post.

If I change my mind, you'll be the second to know.




According to The Daily Beast, in the phone call released by Ukrainian Defense Ministry's Main Intelligence Directorate on Saturday, the man, Nikita, who is identified as a solider speaking to his mother, expresses doubt about Ukrainians surrendering.

"This won't end anytime soon. What the hell do I need this for? At 20 years old...I'm not at all interested in Ukraine. I need to come back and resign," he states. "I had a commander...who shot himself in the leg just to get out of here. And that was in the very beginning!"

The soldier's mother then says that someone has to "defend Russia," The Daily Beast reported, adding: "They will just kill us all, it'll be World War Four and Russia will lose!"

The soldier goes on to say that people in his brigade are "are just disappearing on their own. Some of them vanished without a trace, some were taken prisoner, some are hiding, some are already in Russia."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-troops-taking-desperate-m
easures-to-escape-putin-s-war-ukraine/ar-AAXhmfE?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=6fe8bf605c5441ad8a78a50b7771ff24




A year, no way comrade. This thing is moving fast and will continue to do so. Russia is technically done Polish Russian Collaborator Signym.

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Saturday, May 14, 2022 6:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:

6IXSTRINGJACK:

FAIL.

SECOND: Wrong. I proved a fact about your character. Don't feel bad. Trump voters share that particular characteristic. Too bad how it causes trouble for the Trump voters with the billions in the world who despise Trump and, especially, Putin.

SIX: lol
You're a morality vacuum, Arthur. The place where anything good goes to die.
Your opinion means nothing to anyone.

No shit. I'm surprised SECOND can live with itself.



The benefits of being a sociopath, one would suppose.

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Saturday, May 14, 2022 9:27 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

SignyM:
Event has been confirmed by third-party sources. No doubt it is a bloody nose for Russian army. The Kiev army is fighting hard, and there are losses on both sides.
That is the nature of "war of attrition".
But IMHO it will not change the final outcome bc Kiev's army is reportedly losing hundreds of men per day, either killed, wounded, or surrendered.
I made a prediction (by end of year half of Ukraine will be in Russia's hands, the US economy will be in recession and EU will be worse; or most of the globe will be a great smoking ruin) and I see no reason to change it. No matter how much blather you post.
If I change my mind, you'll be the second to know.

THUGR: According to The Daily Beast, in the phone call released by Ukrainian Defense Ministry's Main Intelligence Directorate on Saturday



Hahaha!

Quote:

the man, Nikita, who is identified as a solider speaking to his mother...
On what? Russian soldiers have their cell phones taken away, and the way cellphone security is in the EU you can't just grab someone else's and use it.

Don't forget, Kiev showed a videogame clip and claimed it was an actual aerial dogfight. Made up the "ghost of Kiev". Lied about Snake Island. Showed destroyed UKRAINIAN equipment and claimed it was Russian. Staged (or committed) atrocities and blamed Russia. Source of so much bullshit their credibility is... well.. in negative territory.

Even that "river crossing".... yep, it happened. But the actual site can't be geolocated from the pix, and some investigators think the photos were tampered with.

You have GOT to find reliable sources!

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Is Putin Sick – Or Are We Meant to Think He Is?

An oligarch close to the Kremlin was recorded on a tape saying the president is ‘very ill with blood cancer.’ Is this true, idle speculation or disinformation designed to make an erratic and paranoid dictator vulnerable?

. . .

Myeloma, even the more aggressive forms of it, doesn’t necessarily require chemotherapy. It can often be treated with immnuno-modulatory agents and steroids. Myeloma can, however, lead to compression fractures of the spine, which make a patient hunched (see again that abnormal vignette with Shoigu) or even shave inches off height.

Steroids are also known for two common side effects.

The first is a high risk of infection owing to how badly they deplete immune cells. “Anyone on heavy doses of steroids will find it much easier to contract COVID-19,” Grossman said, which might account for Putin’s extreme germophobia and recourse to Howard Hughes-like seclusion. Pneumonia, too, can easily kill an immunocompromised steroid user.

And the second side effect?

“Deeply irrational or paranoid behavior.”

https://newlinesmag.com/reportage/is-putin-sick-or-are-we-meant-to-thi
nk-he-is
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Multiple myeloma
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/multiple-myeloma/sympto
ms-causes/syc-20353378


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Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:50 PM

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You don't have anything better to do than speculate whether or not Putin has cancer on a Saturday night?



What the fuck is wrong with you dude?

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Saturday, May 14, 2022 11:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You don't have anything better to do than speculate whether or not Putin has cancer on a Saturday night?

What the fuck is wrong with you dude?

I noticed Shoigu rose from his deathbed (near-fatal heart attack) and Gerasimov is back on-staff.

Yeah, SECOND has nothing better to do than flog lies on a nearly-invisible board.


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RUSSIANS BETRAY THEIR ALLIES! Current Ukraine War Footage With The Enforcer (Day 80)



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Sunday, May 15, 2022 7:41 AM

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Hey comrade signym. Russia has lost a third of its army in 80 days. I told you so.

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AMERICA SUPPORTS UKRAINE






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Sunday, May 15, 2022 9:03 AM

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You have no proof of that.

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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:

But IMHO it will not change the final outcome bc Kiev's army is reportedly losing hundreds of men per day, either killed, wounded, or surrendered.

I made a prediction (by end of year half of Ukraine will be in Russia's hands, the US economy will be in recession and EU will be worse; or most of the globe will be a great smoking ruin) and I see no reason to change it. No matter how much blather you post.

If I change my mind, you'll be the second to know.

Ukraine's Military Intelligence Chief 'optimistic' of Russian defeat 'this year'
Major General Kyrylo Budanov told us the war with Russia is going so well, that it will reach a turning point by mid-August and be over by the end of the year.



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Sunday, May 15, 2022 1:09 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

SignyM:

But IMHO it will not change the final outcome bc Kiev's army is reportedly losing hundreds of men per day, either killed, wounded, or surrendered.

I made a prediction (by end of year half of Ukraine will be in Russia's hands, the US economy will be in recession and EU will be worse; or most of the globe will be a great smoking ruin) and I see no reason to change it. No matter how much blather you post.

If I change my mind, you'll be the second to know.

SECOND: Ukraine's Military Intelligence Chief blah blah blah...

That's s much as anyone needs to know.

Seriously, y'all. Do you think he would be ALLOWED to say anything else? On pain of treason?

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

SignyM:

But IMHO it will not change the final outcome bc Kiev's army is reportedly losing hundreds of men per day, either killed, wounded, or surrendered.

I made a prediction (by end of year half of Ukraine will be in Russia's hands, the US economy will be in recession and EU will be worse; or most of the globe will be a great smoking ruin) and I see no reason to change it. No matter how much blather you post.

If I change my mind, you'll be the second to know.

SECOND: Ukraine's Military Intelligence Chief blah blah blah...

That's s much as anyone needs to know.

Seriously, y'all. Do you think he would be ALLOWED to say anything else? On pain of treason?





You keep talking shit comrade. It's what you do best.

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Alright... Who broke the TedBot?

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

SignyM:

But IMHO it will not change the final outcome bc Kiev's army is reportedly losing hundreds of men per day, either killed, wounded, or surrendered.

I made a prediction (by end of year half of Ukraine will be in Russia's hands, the US economy will be in recession and EU will be worse; or most of the globe will be a great smoking ruin) and I see no reason to change it. No matter how much blather you post.

If I change my mind, you'll be the second to know.

SECOND: Ukraine's Military Intelligence Chief blah blah blah...

That's s much as anyone needs to know.

Seriously, y'all. Do you think he would be ALLOWED to say anything else? On pain of treason?

Vladimir Putin declares all Russian military deaths state secrets. President extends secrecy to deaths in peacetime as well as in official wars, raising concerns for those who report deaths of soldiers in Ukraine.

It is NOT treason in Ukraine to talk about casualties or military misfortunes, but in Russia it is 15 years in jail for simply calling Ukraine invasion a 'war'. Casualties numbers are a Russian secret that will get you executed for treason.

Signym, I think you got Ukraine law confused with Russian law.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/ukraine/2022/03/08/russia-fr
ee-speech-press-criminalization-misinformation/9433112002
/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/28/vladimir-putin-declares-
all-russian-military-deaths-state-secrets


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Monday, May 16, 2022 3:25 AM

SIGNYM

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Meanwhile in Kiev, opponents of the war effort are assassinated on the street.

Do you REALLY think that a Ukrainian intelligence official is going to say "We're getting our ass handed to us. Losing 500-1000 soldiers every day. All of our major diesel refineries have been destroyed, our train substations have been destroyed, most of our ammo dumps have been destroyed, we have no way of moving troops and ammunition to the front, let alone heavy equipment like artillery and tanks. At this rate our army will collapse in a month." ?

Seriously, dood, get your head screwed on straight. The propaganda makes no sense at all at this point: Russians are really inept but at the same time incredibly dangerous??

It's flying thick and fast on both sides. (Russia says the sanctions only make it stronger, but OTOH they'll only negotiate if some are removed. Huh.)

One of the things that a Russian ex-pat military officer was saying is that this is all game-planned with lots of contingency plans, and involves a lot of math with lots of derivatives in the equations: How fast can we produce and move supplies, how fast cn we degrade the enemies' supply lines, how fast can we move v how fast can they move, etc. It's not just bigwigs pushing little toy soldiers around on a big map with a long stick. I see this as a race to the ...er ... finish. IMHO Russians usually play a long game, but I suspect they have a deadline in mind: to finish off Ukraine b4 the USA gets its feet underneath it and starts to get involved in a real way. I can see us turning this into another Vietnam.

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Monday, May 16, 2022 4:16 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Meanwhile in Kiev, opponents of the war effort are assassinated on the street.

Do you REALLY think that a Ukrainian intelligence official is going to say "We're getting our ass handed to us. Losing 500-1000 soldiers every day. All of our major diesel refineries have been destroyed, our train substations have been destroyed, most of our ammo dumps have been destroyed, we have no way of moving troops and ammunition to the front, let alone heavy equipment like artillery and tanks. At this rate our army will collapse in a month." ?

Signym, you manufactured all of this falsehood. Maybe you should stop? Actually your first line ("Meanwhile in Kiev,") was manufactured by Max Blumenthal. Good old odd Max is a gushing fountain of manufactured falsehoods. For example, from yesterday:
Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal
We have exposed a malicious, deeply anti-democratic intel cabal previously unknown to the British public. In my opinion, its covert activities constitute violations of the Official Secrets Act and other high crimes. The emails revealed here show who really controls UK politics.
5:02 PM · May 15, 2022·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1525959854267027456

Signym, Max Blumenthal is better than you will ever be at non-stop manufacturing of falsehoods. You can't compete with him. Stop, Signym. You're not good enough to even quote Max.

Signym, just for reference, here is Max at his best, or maybe I mean worst? “One less traitor”: Zelensky oversees campaign of assassination, kidnapping and torture of political opposition
https://mronline.org/2022/04/19/one-less-traitor/

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
One of the things that a Russian ex-pat military officer was saying is that this is all game-planned with lots of contingency plans, and involves a lot of math with lots of derivatives in the equations: How fast can we produce and move supplies, how fast cn we degrade the enemies' supply lines, how fast can we move v how fast can they move, etc. It's not just bigwigs pushing little toy soldiers around on a big map with a long stick. I see this as a race to the ...er ... finish. IMHO Russians usually play a long game, but I suspect they have a deadline in mind: to finish off Ukraine b4 the USA gets its feet underneath it and starts to get involved in a real way. I can see us turning this into another Vietnam.



*snort* You owe me a keyboard!

SIGNYM's BS decoded:

First note: No link to the Russian ex-pat's comments per usual. Sig is getting like JSF, " I heard somewhere something about something...?"

Quote: "One of the things that a Russian ex-pat military officer was saying is that this is all game-planned with lots of contingency plans, and involves a lot of math with lots of derivatives in the equations: How fast can we produce and move supplies, how fast cn we degrade the enemies' supply lines, how fast can we move v how fast can they move, etc."
- ex-Pat is saying "We meant to do that... not win quickly. We want to lose slowly, it's more painful and at a greater expensive to man power and hardware. It's what makes us Russian."

Quote: "It's not just bigwigs pushing little toy soldiers around on a big map with a long stick. I see this as a race to the ...er ... finish."
- Gee, thanks Sherlock. You're a military genius. More like a race to the Russian border.

Quote: " IMHO Russians usually play a long game..."
- In other words, they're grossly incompetent. If they can't drop bombs on innocent civilians and hoodwink their own people into being conscripts for their "operation" they got nothing.

Quote: " but I suspect they have a deadline in mind..."
- To finish off Kyiv and Ukraine in one week. Whoops!

Quote: "...to finish off Ukraine b4 the USA gets its feet underneath it and starts to get involved in a real way..."
- 50 billion USD and too many Javelin kills too late. Say hello to our little friends.

Quote: " I can see us turning this into another Vietnam."
- SIG's lame attempt to scare us with a "Vietnam" reference. So weak.

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