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Thursday, September 9, 2004 12:31 AM

JAYNEZTOWN





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The fact is the actions of the current governemnt in Isreal has caused the growth of much hatred and anti-Americanism. Sharon was found to have acted in a terrible manner and was held directly responsible for the terrorist atrocity where maybe up to 3,000 innocent people were massacred in Sabra. We know how himself and his crew refered to them as 'two-legged animals'. The Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, is one of the world's most bloodstained terrorists like the evil Binladen. He is responsible for the cold-blooded slaughter of at least 1,500 men, women and children in the Beirut refugee camps of Chatila. Even a formal Israeli commission found Sharon personally responsible for the Lebanese massacres
Ariel Sharon is sought for trial by the Hague Tribunal, the same body that succeeded in extraditing former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic for charges of crimes against humanity in Kosovo. Sharon will not travel to Belgium for fear of arrest by the International Court for the massacre.
After the Israeli military devastation and occupation, Sharon forcibly removed Palestinian resistance fighters from Lebanon. Many Palestinian women, children and old people were left behind in refugee camps near Beirut. The United States publicly guaranteed their safety and promised that they would quickly be reunited with their loved ones. When Sharon plotted their murder, he not only planned a bloody act of terrorism against the refugees; he knew it was an act of treachery against the United States that would raise intense hatred against America.

Wasn't Sharon, after all, the one that said that Isreal controlled the U.S. ?






Flynn maybe we are starting to see where your loyalties lie ?


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Thursday, September 9, 2004 2:16 AM

CONNORFLYNN


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Originally posted by JaynezTown:
Funny Flynn, so you think everyone should be pro-Bush and pro-militants in Isreal. Yes those suicide bombers are scum, and what they do is horrible. However that radical leader Sharon is often just as disgusting, laying waste to villages, killing women and children.



Yeah..Sharon specifically targetted women and Children. It didn't have anything to do with the Lebanese and Palestinian Hamas members building bombs and rockets in the areas targeted. Nah.. he was just after the women and children. To say nothing of Palestinian Terrorists who walk onto a settlement and shoot a pregnant women who is home alone along with her 2 children. To me, no cause can justify those actions. The Israelis are in a corner. So be it. Let them loose to deal with the bastards around them.

I also never said everyone should be Pro-Bush. However in my opinion ALL AMERICANS should be PRO AMERICA. If they don't want to be, then grab the first plane to another country and stay the away from me.

Personally, again I say I don't give a flying hooey who is "Commander in Chief" as long as they have a one tracked mind when it comes to dealing with the treachery of Islamafascism and any other Terrorist activities that may directly affect the USA. Unfortunately, under the circumstances John Kerry has such a multiple personality/belief system that he is "Unfit for Command" (Pun intended)

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Conas tá tú inniu, an dtig linn níos mó Gaeilge scríofa a fheiceáil san fhóram seo ?
Nice how you failed to mention any of the loyalist and English terrorist killings UVF, LVF, UDA or RHD actions in the North. Wouldn't happen to know a few of those who waved the Union Jack when the Queen tossed her pennies to the masses ?


Is it that your transparency is begining to show



Nope..twist it as you like though hehe. However, I view those sorts of terrorism,which I despise completely and hope to see stamped out, as much more contained to a specific area. Islamafascism is world wide affecting almost every civilized country. They are the biggest threat to world peace and should be crushed. If they can't come to the diplomatic table with rational exchange and insist on continuing to resort to soft target attacks..I say slaughter them all.


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The fact is the actions of the current governemnt in Isreal has caused the growth of much hatred and anti-Americanism. Sharon was found to have acted in a terrible manner and was held directly responsible for the terrorist atrocity where maybe up to 3,000 innocent people were massacred in Sabra. We know how himself and his crew refered to them as 'two-legged animals'. The Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, is one of the world's most bloodstained terrorists like the evil Binladen. He is responsible for the cold-blooded slaughter of at least 1,500 men, women and children in the Beirut refugee camps of Chatila. Even a formal Israeli commission found Sharon personally responsible for the Lebanese massacres
Ariel Sharon is sought for trial by the Hague Tribunal, the same body that succeeded in extraditing former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic for charges of crimes against humanity in Kosovo. Sharon will not travel to Belgium for fear of arrest by the International Court for the massacre.
After the Israeli military devastation and occupation, Sharon forcibly removed Palestinian resistance fighters from Lebanon. Many Palestinian women, children and old people were left behind in refugee camps near Beirut. The United States publicly guaranteed their safety and promised that they would quickly be reunited with their loved ones. When Sharon plotted their murder, he not only planned a bloody act of terrorism against the refugees; he knew it was an act of treachery against the United States that would raise intense hatred against America.

Wasn't Sharon, after all, the one that said that Isreal controlled the U.S. ?






Flynn maybe we are starting to see where your loyalties lie ?



I'm not sure where your coming from there, since that lil quote above wasn't written by me and personally looks like one hell of a propaganda piece, even with all the misspellings and grammatical errors LOL. As for the Palestinian cause (if it was the Palestinain cause alone and not a continued stream of attacks from Lebanon and Syria as well), I might be a bit more sympathetic.

"Don't bother, Can't hear ya" - Door Knocker, Labrynth

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Thursday, September 9, 2004 2:25 AM

CONNORFLYNN


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Originally posted by SignyM:
ConnerFlynn- Actually, I had a question that I didn't have time to type!

Was Saddam a terrorist? I'm not wondering if he SUPPORTED terrorists, my question is- was Saddam himself a terrorist? After all, he DID target civilians with plastic-chippers, ear-lops and chemical weapons. There is a reason why his regime was called a "reign of terror".

And if he is a terrorist, would that also include Pol Pot? Josef Stalin?



Yes to all of the above. As a matter of fact, if you look up Terrorism in the Encyclopedia Brittanica, Stalin was listed as a regime known for Terror.

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Thursday, September 9, 2004 6:20 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by SignyM:
ConnerFlynn- Actually, I had a question that I didn't have time to type!

Was Saddam a terrorist? I'm not wondering if he SUPPORTED terrorists, my question is- was Saddam himself a terrorist? After all, he DID target civilians with plastic-chippers, ear-lops and chemical weapons. There is a reason why his regime was called a "reign of terror".

And if he is a terrorist, would that also include Pol Pot? Josef Stalin?



Look out ConnerFlynn!! It's a trap!!!

You'll say "Sure, they were evil bastards and terrorists of the first stripe, and I hope they burn in Hell for eternity." Then SignyM will inform you that the USA supported all of them at one time, and hence we are terrorists too.



"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Thursday, September 9, 2004 7:07 AM

CONNORFLYNN


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Originally posted by Geezer:
Look out ConnerFlynn!! It's a trap!!!

You'll say "Sure, they were evil bastards and terrorists of the first stripe, and I hope they burn in Hell for eternity." Then SignyM will inform you that the USA supported all of them at one time, and hence we are terrorists too.



"Keep the Shiny side up"



LOL, I already know America is the Great Satan. Nothing new there. I also realize that there are many on this board that will always have an irreversible and differing view on politics from me. I just come here (other then for Firefly news and what not) for my Political board fix hehe. I figure the worst that can happen is I get some interesting informational links.

Though I admit, sometimes they get my goat , I just wish more folks would use fact based information rather then opinion based editorial propaganda as their basis for political debate.

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Thursday, September 9, 2004 7:22 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


Huh. You're smarter than I am, Geezer!

I'm not sure I could say that we "supported" Stalin although I know we were nominal allies in WWII. (Actually, I don't think the term "allies" applies... there is a different word that is used for temporary military cooperation but it escapes me right now.) I'm pretty sure that we didn't "support" Pol Pot either. I know we secretly bombed Cambodia during the Vietnam War.. if you have any information on us funding, supplying arms to, or providing intellgence for Pol Pot let me know!

We DID actively support Saddam through many years in his fight against Iran, but he's kind of the odd man out in my set of examples.

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Thursday, September 9, 2004 7:58 AM

CONNORFLYNN


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Originally posted by SignyM:
Huh. You're smarter than I am, Geezer!

I'm not sure I could say that we "supported" Stalin although I know we were nominal allies in WWII. (Actually, I don't think the term "allies" applies... there is a different word that is used for temporary military cooperation but it escapes me right now.) I'm pretty sure that we didn't "support" Pol Pot either. I know we secretly bombed Cambodia during the Vietnam War.. if you have any information on us funding, supplying arms to, or providing intellgence for Pol Pot let me know!

We DID actively support Saddam through many years in his fight against Iran, but he's kind of the odd man out in my set of examples.



The Carter Administration encouraged China to "Support" Pol Pot, because he was an enemy of Vietnam and Russia. Once again a huge mistake predicated on what the biggest fish to fry at the time was.

We also actively supported Saddam because everyone in the US administration were too busy with the Goram Cold War to get around to kicking Irans ass, and figured Saddam was the lesser of the 2 evils and they would kill each other or at the very least weaken each other enough to render themselves impotent. To say that was short sighted in the scheme of things in an understatement. We are attempting to rectify that at the moment. I fully expect us to be embroiled in a full scale war with Iran within 6 months, because I don't see Israel allowing Iran to gain a completed Nuke.

"Wheres this aimed? Iran? ya don't say. How do ya turn the key again? Oops!!!!", Crazy Redneck at Nuke missile silo.

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Thursday, September 9, 2004 8:38 AM

SIGNYM

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Yes but "encouraging" another country - especially a country that we barely had relations with and one that has almost no goals in common with ours- to "support" a regime is not in the same league as supplying or selling arms, training military and security staff, providing intelligence, and running interference for in the UN.

I'm just trying to get a bead on where the definition of terrorism breaks down.

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Thursday, September 9, 2004 9:06 AM

CONNORFLYNN


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Originally posted by SignyM:
Yes but "encouraging" another country - especially a country that we barely had relations with and one that has almost no goals in common with ours- to "support" a regime is not in the same league as supplying or selling arms, training military and security staff, providing intelligence, and running interference for in the UN.

I'm just trying to get a bead on where the definition of terrorism breaks down.



Actually as much as I hate to admit it, I do believe we did run interference for Pol Pot in the UN for awhile.

I'm not sure what you are looking for in terms of where the definition of terrorism breaks down? Do you mean, when it stops being terrorism and becomes nation defense or insurgency?

In my view and everything I have read about terrorism, is that terrorism is the act of aggression against soft targets (civilians and other non militia) , with the specific intent to instill terror. Iraqi insurgents when specifically targeting the military are not terrorists to me , though the Iranians and other foreigners who also have joined various factions throughout Iraq are indeed terrorists. They are the ones kidnapping and executing hostages(non-military soft targets), they are the ones initiating car bombs and attacks on specifically on civilians. Unfortunately the occasional civilian gets caught in the crossfire, when we strike back.

I definitely see a distinction. When Israelis specifically target Civilians (non militants/combatants..a fine line in some cases) then those are indeed acts of terrorism and are reprehensible. I have yet to see a true non combat , non militant soft target attack from Israel. I have seen multiple attacks from Palestinian/Lebanese/Syrian miltants on Soft unarmed targets.

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Thursday, September 9, 2004 9:13 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


Yes, and also where culpability ends for "encouraging" and "funding" terrorism. Obviously, if I'm giving money to ObL, or supplying arms, or providing secret information then I could obviously be accused of supporting terrorism.

What about if I sell arms to ObL? For instance, the Swedes have a number of small-arms manufacturers (or so Ive been told) and make quite a bit of money that way. If they sell arms to ObL are they supporing terrorism or just being good businessmen? What abut if they sell explosives? Bandages? Food?

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Thursday, September 9, 2004 9:28 AM

CONNORFLYNN


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Originally posted by SignyM:
Yes, and also where culpability ends for "encouraging" and "funding" terrorism. Obviously, if I'm giving money to ObL, or supplying arms, or providing secret information then I could obviously be accused of supporting terrorism.

What about if I sell arms to ObL? For instance, the Swedes have a number of small-arms manufacturers (or so Ive been told) and make quite a bit of money that way. If they sell arms to ObL are they supporing terrorism or just being good businessmen? What abut if they sell explosives? Bandages? Food?



Part of being a good businessman is also being ethical (at least on the exterior). I would have to say if someone sold weapons or supplies(of any kind) indirectly to OBL or his network without knowledge that weapons or supplies (of any kind) were going to him, would not be funding or encouraging Terrorism. However, If they did do such with knowledge that those said items were going to OBL or his network, they would be held responsible and would indeed be supporting Terrorism after all, thats what Al Qaeda really is, A terrorist organization.

No I don't think anyone should be able to sell food or bandages to terrorists. They make their beds..they should sleep in them. If they want bandages or food, turn themselves in. As I understand it, 3 squares a day and a roof over their head is better then eating grass.

I'm not so sure legitimate swedish businessmen are supporting terrorists for the sake of a quick buck. I'd be interested in any cites for that. Even the UN would lay the smack down (I think) if that were the case.

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Thursday, September 9, 2004 11:40 AM

JUKO


So when the US supplied weapons and advisors to Bin Laden to aid in his efforts to overthrow the Soviets...

As for the Israelis, how much of a difference is there really in attacking and killing a civilian outright or repeatedly killing civilians in accidental crossfire or collateral damage? At what point does it stop being accidental and simply becomes an uncaring attitude? Neither side of the Israel/Palestine conflict is guiltless. They both seem equally stupid and stubborn. The Palestinian terrorists might be blowing themselves up to kill civilians... but the Israelis respond back by levelling a block of Palestinian houses or conducting a rocket attack from helicopter gunships into a crowded street.

Does Blue Sun sponser the Blue Man Group?

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Thursday, September 9, 2004 12:05 PM

CONNORFLYNN


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Originally posted by Juko:
So when the US supplied weapons and advisors to Bin Laden to aid in his efforts to overthrow the Soviets...



Cold War policy. Hindsight is 20/20

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As for the Israelis, how much of a difference is there really in attacking and killing a civilian outright or repeatedly killing civilians in accidental crossfire or collateral damage? At what point does it stop being accidental and simply becomes an uncaring attitude?


I don't agree with this view. First, The Israelis are targeting Militants and terrorists AKA Hamas etc..etc (The Shitheels of the Arabic World), It happens that the SHotAW (Shit Heels of the Arabic World AKA Hamas etc..etc) Tend to cower in civilian areas using civilians as a form of shield. I guess after a few suicide bombings and massacres of your people you will go after the militants wherever they lay. Unfortunately as I stated , sometimes civilians get caught in the crossfire. It's too bad the Palestinian people don't actually rise up agains the SHotAW and stop the senseless killing. It's too bad Yasshat Arafat is unwilling to compromise. So ..yes I would lay ALL the blame on the SHotAW and Yasshat Arafat. I call it restraint by not turning all of the "Palestinian Territories" into a parking lot.


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Neither side of the Israel/Palestine conflict is guiltless. They both seem equally stupid and stubborn. The Palestinian terrorists might be blowing themselves up to kill civilians... but the Israelis respond back by levelling a block of Palestinian houses or conducting a rocket attack from helicopter gunships into a crowded street.

Does Blue Sun sponser the Blue Man Group?



The Israelis level a block of MILITANT and SUICIDE BOMBER housing, it's not arbitrary.

I say let em kill each other. Loose the dogs of war in the Middle East completely. I want to see nukes going off. Lets start with Saudi Arabia and work our way around. Mecca may glow for a few hundred years (Israel won't go down without a fight), but hey thats the price ya gotta pay for peace I suppose. /sarcasm off

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Thursday, September 9, 2004 2:39 PM

TRAGICSTORY


Just to fan the flames a bit:

http://mideasttruth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=461



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Thursday, September 9, 2004 2:51 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


ConnerFlynn, I have to say you're wrong on this.

Those "militants" have large, extended families who live together, sometimes these families don't overtly know what the kids are doing. And in the case of Palestinians who are very short of housing, many unrelated people live there too. It isn't enough to fire missiles on a block of houses and then say "Oh well, it's too bad the rest of the people didn't find someplace else to live." The Israelis are CLEARLY targeting innocent civilians, they do this deliberately to put pressure on the militants, and they SAY they are doing it. It's part of their policy.

Also, Sharon isn't called "the butcher of Sabra" for no reason. He ordered Lebanese Christian Phalangists into the refugee camp where women and children were pulled out of their tents, raped, and slaughtered. According to witnesses, the Israeli Army prevented refugees from escaping while the Phalangists took vengeance on the refugees. There were indeed perhaps 200-300 armed men in the camp, but this doesn't account for the fact that women and children were killed specifically and individually, not as part of some "crossfire".

BTW- it's not real smart to simply dimiss erroneous alliances as simply a Cold War error in judgement. We might perhaps want to (ahem) LEARN from the past?

One of the lessons I've gleaned from these errors (and there are many) is that we had better make true alliances with nations that share our goals and means rather than temporary alliances with horribly corrupt, tyranical, or fanatical groups because a large percentage of them seem to get enough traction to come back and bite us in the *ss.

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Friday, September 10, 2004 2:28 AM

CONNORFLYNN


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Originally posted by SignyM:
ConnerFlynn, I have to say you're wrong on this.

Those "militants" have large, extended families who live together, sometimes these families don't overtly know what the kids are doing. And in the case of Palestinians who are very short of housing, many unrelated people live there too. It isn't enough to fire missiles on a block of houses and then say "Oh well, it's too bad the rest of the people didn't find someplace else to live." The Israelis are CLEARLY targeting innocent civilians, they do this deliberately to put pressure on the militants, and they SAY they are doing it. It's part of their policy.

Also, Sharon isn't called "the butcher of Sabra" for no reason. He ordered Lebanese Christian Phalangists into the refugee camp where women and children were pulled out of their tents, raped, and slaughtered. According to witnesses, the Israeli Army prevented refugees from escaping while the Phalangists took vengeance on the refugees. There were indeed perhaps 200-300 armed men in the camp, but this doesn't account for the fact that women and children were killed specifically and individually, not as part of some "crossfire".

BTW- it's not real smart to simply dimiss erroneous alliances as simply a Cold War error in judgement. We might perhaps want to (ahem) LEARN from the past?

One of the lessons I've gleaned from these errors (and there are many) is that we had better make true alliances with nations that share our goals and means rather than temporary alliances with horribly corrupt, tyranical, or fanatical groups because a large percentage of them seem to get enough traction to come back and bite us in the *ss.



Just curious? Who labels Sharon "The Butcher of Sabra"? Also, Who are these Witnesses? I'd like a cite for this, because to be honest I'm not completely familiar with the Sabra incident. I would prefer it is from a reliable non "Allah sent us Great Spiders to combat the Americans in Iraq" source hehe. I'm open to learning new things.

Secondly, Palestinian families KNOW EXACTLY what their children are up to. Either they just aren't willing to stop them due to the big payoff by Arafat and his SHotAW cohorts (suicide bomber's families get a handy pay-off check once a bombing has occurred) OR they support them whole heartedly. Again I say, If the Palestinians TRULY wanted change, they would rise up against Arafat and his SHotAW cronies and begin to make peace.

As for the Cold War analysis and "Brushoff", My statement still stands. We are working with countries that share common interests and goals. They just don't happen to currently include Germany and France. Russia is waking up.

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Friday, September 10, 2004 3:33 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


It's been so long I'm not sure that I can find good links, but I'll try. The ones that I've come up with are very partisan- either very much for or very much against- nothing like original news reportage or even somewhat impartial analysis.

Thats' why at this point I'm going on memory. The witnesses include the International Red Cross, which counted about 400 bodies (but that didn't include those that had been buried in mass graves). I remember photos of piles of dead bodies, and the term "butcher of Sabra" was in common use at the time. Because the pix shocked even Israelis, Sharon was forced to resign his command. The common suspicion was that he set the Phalangists on the refugees so they would do his dirty work.

No, sometimes they DON'T know. The families of the first two female suicide bombers were utterly shocked at what their children had done. Yes, there is widespread hatred of Israel... probably has something to do with the fact that Israel has pretty much bulldozed their olive and orange groves, farms, shops, and homes, leading to 70% unemployment... but it is one thing to throw rocks and another to grab an anti-tank weapon or a pack of explosives and nails.

And my point about the Cold War still stands. During the Cold War, NOTHING was as important as "containing Communism". So it didn't matter if we cozied up the the mujahadeen, Saddam, Shah Palavi, Somosa, Suharto, Pinochet, or any number of unsavory leaders or groups as long as they were "on our side". Almost ALL of those alliances hvae since caused us problems. It seems to take, on the avergae, 30 years for the problems to develop, but we are paying now for what we did 30 years ago.

And at this point, NOTHING is as important as "fighting terrorism" (at least the Mulsim kind). So we are NOW supporting Musharef (Pakistan), Karamov (Uzbekistan), House of Saud, Israel and so forth which act brutally in suppressing legitimate grievances, in which are NOW forming successful radical Muslim movements.

I'm old enough to remember the Mideast without a radical Muslim movement... hard to imagine, but it's true. I also remember the grievances and other causes of the movement. Some we would consider legitimate- the corruption and brutality of the Shah's rule would be understandable to us. Some we would consider unacceptable, such as the unwillingness to recognize the State of Israel. But by supporting the worst of the pro-Western governments, we unfortunately allied ourselves with tyrannical groups and got painted with the same colors.

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Friday, September 10, 2004 5:34 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


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It's a trap!!!


Oh BTW Geezer- you revealed your colors as a partisan rather than an unbiased seeker of truth. I specifically chose two of three examples to be leaders that we did NOT support.

However, since you mentioned it- there IS a logical inconsistancy in ConnerFlynn's ethics... and yours. If you define a terrorist as someone who targets civilians for death, injury, or deprivation for the purpose of instilling terror... or someone who inspires, supports or funds such activities... then you should follow that definition wherever it leads. But only you would call it a trap. Others might call it the truth.

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Friday, September 10, 2004 5:10 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


No comments?

Or will you let this thread die because it's not going your way?

By the way, speaking of waking up...

I heard in the early 80's from an acquaintance who'd visited Israel that even back then they were bulldozing the family homes of "suspected agitators", displacing dozens of people at a time. So Israel has been doing this for decades, but not a peep of it ever reached western press. And somehow, the fact that the Palestinian grazing lands, fields and orchards were destroyed, the fact that farmers are now separated from their remaining fields, that it takes literally hours to travel just a few miles- to work, to school, to hospital- just never really makes it into the news. So the Palestinians are portrayed as having an "irrational" hatred of Israel, and as being "incompetent" because of their faltering economy.

It may be news to some folks, but there were people living on the land that the British so generously gave to the Jews because they (Brits) didn't want to deal with a massive Jewish influx into their own country. Even then, it might have worked had the Zionists (I'm using this in the historical sense) not broken the agreement to settle only 300,000-400,000 people into Palestine, instead of the millions that rushed over. We have the Brits to thank for this lovely piece of work.

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Thursday, November 19, 2015 11:40 AM

THGRRI


I think this should be preserved for prosperity don't you. I wonder when JAYNZTOWN is going to respond to his own post, don't you?

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Originally posted by JaynezTown:
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Originally posted by Connorflynn:
World War III is on, most of the world just hasn't realized it yet. The only difference between the Islamafascists and the Nazis, is that the Islamafascists are willing to blow themselves up, rather then just run people into the gas chambers.

When will France and the rest of Europe wake up? Maybe after the severed heads of their journalists arrive, maybe after a few more hostage situations with inane demands.

I welcome Russia. I mourn for their loss. There can be no diplomacy with the Islamafascists. Only force.

Take a look at (Insert Islamafascist group here)..
"Crush the Infidels!!!" (gets ass handed to them)
"We give, we want to talk" (secretly builds up arms)
"Oh wait, We SHALL DIE for Allah!!!" (Gets ass handed to them)
" No wait, we give, we want to talk" (secretly begins to build up arms again).

http://www.kremlin.ru/eng/

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?flok=FF-RTO-roitz&idq=/
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Hot headed reactions like these are kind of understandable. I saw much worse ideas than this Flynn guy on the Yahoo-news and MSN-news board

It's true that these Islamic terrorists are scum, and if they take human life, bomb hospitals or kill children they deserve to die.

However not all Arabs, Muslims or Islamics are like these radical nuts. Many are just ordinary folk and some don't give a damn about religion. Terrorism will always exist in some form, it is hard to defeat but it can be largely prevented.
Terrorism flourishes where there is ethnic hatred, radical political leaders, religious nuts and oppression..these are the places where it grows and gets strong.
The probelm is that some try to strike back using overkill methods only to see terror groups spring back in other places and sometimes stronger.

Take the example of Clinton, he was a bullcrap president and spent much time with Monica and cigars. However he done ok for the USA and was smart when it came to global politics and events. In Kosovo, we had different ethnic groups and races killing ecah other. Clinton was forced to act and planes bombed. Afterwards there were big problems, yet Clinton set up the smart framework so that the area would be secure, safe and free from dictators or terrorists again. Clinton also done good in parts of Asia, Northern Ireland and the Middle East.

Now take our idiot Bush, all fight but no brains instead of finding the evil Binladen and his Taliban friends Bush is off causing trouble in the Iraq. Meanwhile N-Korea is building long range Nukes that reach the west coast and Iran has a real WMD program. Terrorism flourishes where there is ethnic hatred, radical political leaders, religious nuts and oppression..these are the places where it grows and gets strong and this might be why it's now growing in Iraq, a place where Al-Quaida could not have existed some months ago as Saddam used to hatethem and other religious radicals. It seems Bush has plenty of bravado and fight in him,
but no brains and tactics and no idea about peace, and security or winning the war.

There is no doubt these islamic extremists are evil and they should be killed for what they have done. However not respond by bombing a city
let's catch them , put them on trial and shoot them.
The worst thing Russia could do is play this like Bush has done, by pinning it on some other random city ( Baghdad-Iraq ) . When I speak of Clinton or Bush I don't just mean the presidents but the advisors and administartion which surrounds. Is Bush smart enough to win peace and security or are the terrorists coming back and more people going to die ?









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Thursday, November 19, 2015 12:22 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


I appreciate this necropost. Before I even knew that Saudi Arabia was funding al Qaida (and ISIL) I knew it was a bad idea to cozy up to whichever tyrant was willing to forward out short-term aims.

It seems that being unethical has a price, and it may take 30 years but that price is now biting us in the ass.

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Thursday, November 19, 2015 12:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I appreciate this necropost. Before I even knew that Saudi Arabia was funding al Qaida (and ISIL) I knew it was a bad idea to cozy up to whichever tyrant was willing to forward out short-term aims.

It seems that being unethical has a price, and it may take 30 years but that price is now biting us in the ass.

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But as I have asked you in another thread, do you agree with JAYNZTOWN's 2004 post about Muslims and tolerance?


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Tuesday, December 15, 2015 7:38 PM

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Originally posted by Connorflynn:


Is that clear enough for you?



Connor if you ever get this message

You know I have heard of plans to beat them....and its a very simple plan, there is some small activity and you watch the 'islamo-fascists' implode....the problem for you is it doesn't give much profit to the military industrial complex and it don't involve endless wars, it doesn't mean you pay for multi-billion dollar cruise missiles to hit some islamic a-hole on a camel but it will involve shutting US borders and better border security if that keeps you Republicans happy

try to get your head around that one

Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
I think this should be preserved for prosperity don't you. I wonder when JAYNZTOWN is going to respond to his own post, don't you?



My opinion hasn't changed much, other than I see things in a more sceptical and cynical light.
I now see many muslims as one of 3 things
1. People who aren't really muslim, but have read bits of the Koran/Quran....they would love to quit this faith or some even more radical might think of revolution reforming their faith....they are simply Arabic people living in the West but have little to do with Islam...they don't openly quit because Mommmy and Daddy would disown them
2. The half-muslim, something tells them Islam is great...maybe its the brainwashing, the mosques, the indoctrination, but they also know something is wrong with Islamic nations so they look to the West/Europe.....they look to Babylon, they want to move to cities of sodom and gomorrah.....they are told by their preachers the West will fall yet they would rather live in the West than their shitholeislamic nations. The women want to marry a Western man, they want to shop, wear lipstick and flirt with other men, the men of the islamic world want to move to the western worlds honey and grapes, they want to consume the pornograhy, the beer, crazy tv shows, the weed....they live dualism, a conflicting dichotomy, a duplicity, live a life of lies, truths and half truths...their dream is to pop their penis into a Western woman but will never war her of the horrors that comes with Islamic jihad...they live out a lie
3 Finally there is a group of islamists proselytizing the garbage religion worse than a Jehova does, the muslim-supremists, a proliferation of a billion man cult just as david koresh davidians or jim jones or other idiots did on a smaller level

it should also be noted that when I wrote this post back in 2004 I didn't see Egypt over-run by islamic muslim brotherhood thugs, I didn't see US debt from wars and banks and more wars hit almost 20 Trillion!! I didn't see Syria collapse! I did not see Iran almost build a bomb and fund legit and dangerous missile program. I did not see Boko Haram massacre people across Africa and I did not meet the muslims which I know today. I see many of them as liars and thieves just I suppose as a conservative in the States or Europe might be wary of carnies or roma

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Thursday, October 27, 2016 11:59 PM

QUANDOM


Copy that.

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Sunday, October 30, 2016 3:37 PM

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The Opening Post sounds like a prediction.

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