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Anyone seen this site yet?

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Monday, November 22, 2004 3:28 PM

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Wednesday 17 November 2004 By Mark Morford - San Francisco Gate Columnist

Dear World : Sorry About Bush No, seriously. Very, very sorry. How sorry ? Well, let America show you ... in pictures.

It's a movement. It's a phenomenon. It's a Web site. Or maybe it's far more than that. No one can really be sure.

No matter what it is, it's called sorryeverybody.com ( http://sorryeverybody.com ) and it expresses, better than any outpouring so far, a sentiment that's omnipresent and palpable and still going strong, and every single Democrat and every single Kerry supporter and every single liberal of any stripe whatsoever probably felt it like a white-hot stab in the heart the minute Kerry's concession speech hit the airwaves and it undoubtedly went something like this :

Dear world : We are so very, very sorry. For Bush. For our bitterly divided and confused nation. For what's to come. Please know that tens of millions of us did not vote for him. Please do not hate us. Not all of us, anyway. OK, maybe Utah. Do you know where Utah is ? Never mind.

See, not only is half of America still deeply dejected about the onslaught of Dubya Dubya II, but much of that half wants the world to know just how crestfallen we are, and just how awful we feel for inflicting Bush and his middle-finger foreign policy on them like a virus, a toxin, a nasty STD, yet again.

After all, we knew this wasn't no ordinary election. We knew how much was at stake, how this one represented a sea change in global attitudes, a dramatic upheaval and reversal of long-standing American ideas of cooperation and defense and restraint, ideas that BushCo has now mutated into a hollow, kill-'em-all faux-cowboy maverick attitude, an almost irreversible shift, mostly backward. Or downward.

But here's the genius part. Beyond e-mail, beyond blogs or radio shows or despondent letters to the editor or overly verbose progressively insulated Left Coast columnists who avoid excessive punctuation as they type because it might spill their scotch, sorryeverybody.com nails the sentiment in a way no one could have imagined : in photographs. http://sorryeverybody.com/gallery/1/

Or, rather, thousands of photographs. Of people. Ordinary people, grainy and crooked and funny and amateurish and honest and full of pathos and raw emotion and wry humor and surprising beauty and you want that connecting thread ? That thing that unifies and makes you feel less alone and that helps you locate yourself in a country gone mad and lost and regressive ? You can do no better than this.

And so far the site carries nearly 5,000 photos, with an apparent backlog of over 1,000 more ready to be uploaded and new ones coming in faster than the site's diverse gaggle of stunned creators -- namely, a sly neuroscience student from USC named James and his ragtag team of webmasters and designers from across the country -- ever dreamed. And the reaction has been, to put it mildly, overwhelming : a whopping 50 million hits to the site so far, moving nearly two terabytes of information. And growing fast.

And if a picture's worth a thousand words, then sorryeverybody.com is exploding with a few million very ardent expressions indeed, all echoing the same simple but heartbreaking sentiment and all, presumably, posted in the hope that the message will be somehow reach the eyeballs of the world, the countries so very and rightfully appalled and revolted by our apparent lack of vision.

It seems to be working. Pictures are apparently flooding into the site from around the world, full of messages of "It's OK" and "Thanks for trying" and "Just don't let it happen again" and it's even spawned a European response page called apologiesaccepted.com ( http://www.apologiesaccepted.com/index.html ) and this is when it hits you : this little gag site, unexpectedly, wonderfully, with its beautifully simple concept, might have actually stumbled on a way to do the impossible : it might just help heal our decimated international relationships and, quite possibly, do more for world diplomacy that Bush ever could, or ever will.

Is that taking things a bit far ? Not really. Sure the site's cute. Sure it's a bit of a novelty. But it's also illuminating and deeply moving and 50 million hits in under two weeks is nothing short of staggering, and hence the creators are receiving reams of hate mail from the BushCo Right of sufficient vehemence and vitriol that it's even spawned a creepy 'n' crude "We're Not Sorry" countersite with its handful of disturbing pics of rabid right-wingers displaying their, uh, raging pro-Bush myopia. So you know James and Co. are onto something.

After all, sorryeverybody.com has broken the cardinal rule of Bush's bitter neocon agenda : no matter what the atrocity, no matter the how grossly botched the war or how insidious the WMD lie or how debilitating the world-record deficit or how brutal the attack on the environment, if there's one thing the GOP simply does not do, it's apologize.

But this is what makes sorryeverybody.com so incredibly effective. It does what no column and no punditry and no news analysis and no Democratic weeping can possibly do, what the Kerry campaign failed to do, what no amount of verbal raging into the Void can manage : it puts a human face on the sadness.

A very real face, families and children, teenagers and the elderly, young couples and homosexuals and many, many disaffected liberal loners who are stuck like sad beacons way out in the middle of the red states and who desperately want the world to know they exist, that they're Americans, too, that they did their best to get the Smirking One out.

What's more, the pics, generally speaking, aren't raunchy. They aren't gross or hateful or puerile or full of screaming middle fingers or manly gun collections or people holding large kitchen knives or butane lighters up to Bush dolls in effigy.

They're just snapshots, candid and intimate and expressive and unretouched and often rather beautiful, taken in the living rooms and backyards and bedrooms and small towns of the country.

It's just people. It's just America. "Real" America. An enormous and enormously saddened half of this amazing country that's trying to reach out to the rest of the world and get the word out and mend its broken heart like at no other time in our generation's history. It's an expression of regret for what's been lost, for what we once were, for what we had hoped to become again but that has now been, well, at best delayed, at worst bludgeoned into a blind stupor.

The site proves that countless Americans still not only care enough to apologize for our country's massive errors of judgment, for our blind mistakes, but also are concerned about the effect those mistakes will have on others. As such, these pictures are perhaps ..................... More : http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2004/11/17/notes111704.DT
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Monday, November 22, 2004 4:08 PM

JRC

I posted this before. Can't remember exactly how it goes, but here it is: Blah-blah-blah Kerry lost, but Bush is yadda-yadda-yadda, whine-whine-whine to go with your cheese, bitch-bitch-bitch move to Canada (or maybe Iran, or North Korea). Can you people possibly get over it??? You're going to be making a lot of counselors very rich. Sheesh.

Everyone dies alone.

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Monday, November 22, 2004 4:33 PM

FIREFLOOZYSUZIE

This isn't whining. This is coalition-building. This is reaching out and building peace.

You can't see it, can you? Poor limited creature.

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Monday, November 22, 2004 4:41 PM

SIGMANUNKI

My acceptance of the apology will come when I see the protests as fighting policies doesn't end at the voting booth.

That said, I appreciate it :smile:

---- "Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

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Monday, November 22, 2004 4:43 PM

SIGMANUNKI

@firefloozysuzie: Thank you for posting the responce that I couldn't think of. You have a way with words :smile:

---- "Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

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Monday, November 22, 2004 4:50 PM

JRC

Yawn. Reaching out and building peace, with a little "please pity us, we lost". Just a bunch of sour grapes, people. I've accepted Kerry resignation speech, why can't you? Now you can work for 2008, maybe even "Billary" Clinton. :tongue:

Everyone dies alone.

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Monday, November 22, 2004 4:57 PM

SIGMANUNKI

@JRC: Are you trying to provoke a fight?

---- "Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

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Monday, November 22, 2004 6:19 PM

JRC

Truth hurts, don't it? Fight? Me? Nah..... :wink:

Everyone dies alone.

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:50 PM

SIGMANUNKI

Quote:
Originally posted by JRC: Truth hurts, don't it? Fight? Me? Nah..... :wink:

Everyone dies alone.

What are you talking about?

---- "Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:56 PM

RICKKER

Get over it? Thats almost funny. Not as hillarious as getting a bum that couldn't do anything right get reelected. that was funny. It just shows that this once great nation has stooped to a new low. How soon will we be compared to the French? All that arrogance and for what? What have we done right lately? Where is the war on terror? If our new job is to take out power mad dictators who's next? jrc hasn't said anything of any real value. Kinda like Dubya.

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:29 PM

JRC

Uhhh, once again, YAWN. The Marines ARE fighting a war on terror, in Iraq. Remember that terrorist animal who pledged his loyalty to Bin Laden? That's right, he's somewhere in Iraq. Is this news to you? Also, all the arguments about WMD are now out the window because, yes, there are, and always have been, terrorists in ----wait for it---- Iraq. Remember the mastermind of the hijacking of that Italian oceanliner? He got captured in, you guessed it, Iraq, by U.S. Special Forces. Who knows how long he was hiding there, courtesy of Hussein. Is this news to you? By the way, last I heard, there are approx. 14,000 U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan, looking for you-know-who. Is this news to you?

Everyone dies alone.

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Wednesday, November 24, 2004 6:17 AM

SIGMANUNKI

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Originally posted by JRC: Uhhh, once again, YAWN. The Marines ARE fighting a war on terror, in Iraq.

Freedom fighters are in Iraq because the US went there. And you show the same arogance that Dubbya shows. Quite telling about your character really.

Quote:
Originally posted by JRC: Remember that terrorist animal who pledged his loyalty to Bin Laden? That's right, he's somewhere in Iraq.

And my humanity gets question!?!?!? Who the hell are you to call anyone an animal. They don't agree with your politics and have chosen a violent path. This doesn't make them animals, it makes them radicals.

And how do you know this? Did you phone him? Oh wait, those aren't working because of you guys. Along with the power, gas, water...

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Originally posted by JRC: Is this news to you? Also, all the arguments about WMD are now out the window because, yes, there are, and always have been, terrorists in ----wait for it---- Iraq. ... Who knows how long he was hiding there, courtesy of Hussein. ... He got captured in, you guessed it, Iraq, by U.S. Special Forces.

I find it amusing that you say that you are justified in illegally invading another country even though every single "reason" has gone down the crapper because the people who fight you went there to fight you.

And the possibility that he went there after you guys illegally invaded the country never crossed your mind. But, then again, that would pop your little Bush world bubble, so that couldn't be the case, right?

Quote:
Originally posted by JRC: By the way, last I heard, there are approx. 14,000 U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan, looking for you-know-who. Is this news to you?

Last you heard.

July 9, 2004 17,900 http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2004/040709-afghan-presence.htm

And you just stated that there are ~14,000. How many were there in the beginning? I stated that you guys are pulling out and moving them to Afgan. effectively turning your back on the war on terror. Which is true.

Your logic that terrorists are being fought in Iraq is flawed. They wouldn't be there if you guys weren't. The "But they're there now!" argument is pathetic because you guys created this mess.

Perhaps you should read some news sometime and actually remember what has been said in the past. Also, google is your friend, learn to use it.

---- "Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

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Wednesday, November 24, 2004 7:12 AM

GEEZER

Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Quote:
Originally posted by JRC: Remember that terrorist animal who pledged his loyalty to Bin Laden? That's right, he's somewhere in Iraq.
And my humanity gets question!?!?!? Who the hell are you to call anyone an animal. They don't agree with your politics and have chosen a violent path. This doesn't make them animals, it makes them radicals.

JRC is obviously referring to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the Jordanian terrorist who has been active in the worst barbarities of the insurgency. You might remember him as the man who beheaded the bound and blindfolded Nicholas Berg for the video camera. Here's a good bio, which includes this info: "Abu Mus'ab al-Zarqawi has pledged allegiance to Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in a statement posted to an Islamic forum website on 17 October 2004". http://globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/zarqawi.htm

Based on his actions, I'd think that "animal" describes al-Zarqawi pretty well.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Wednesday, November 24, 2004 10:50 AM

SIGNYM

I really liked the site. I'm going to add my own pic bc there aren't enough OLD people on it!

And speaking of coalition-building... This is kind of a shaggy dog story, so I hope you stick with it...

I have a "Nothing Accomplished" bumper sticker on my car (that I refuse to take off) and because of that I found a business card on my windshield that said "come to the potluck tomorrow" from someone I have known for years at work. She works in a different department and had no idea of my politics (or my car!) and I had no idea of her politics. It turns out that there were a LOT of people from different departments at that potluck. People I had no idea carried the pissed-off progressive banner. I hate to use that over-used word "liberating", but it was that kind of experience. Which made me realize a couple of things....

Progressives, leftists, liberals... however we identify ourselves... obviously feel pretty defensively "in the closet" if a simple potluck can be so freeing. Unlike right-wingers who can gather in churches of similar persuasion, the left does not have similarly accessible meeting places. (Unitarian churches are few and far between, and unions sold out in the political realm ages ago.) And while the internet can serve as a crystalizing point for progressive opinion, it's ineffective for getting some things done. And nothing compares to the feeling of relief and fellowship when you meet people who feel as you do and realize that you're not alone.

So... we intend to do this regularly. Keep reaching out- even in unlikely places (like work). You might be surprised who'll reach back!!

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Wednesday, November 24, 2004 11:08 AM

CONNORFLYNN

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Originally posted by SignyM: I really liked the site. I'm going to add my own pic bc there aren't enough OLD people on it!

And speaking of coalition-building... This is kind of a shaggy dog story, so I hope you stick with it...

I have a "Nothing Accomplished" bumper sticker on my car (that I refuse to take off) and because of that I found a business card on my windshield that said "come to the potluck tomorrow" from someone I have known for years at work. She works in a different department and had no idea of my politics (or my car!) and I had no idea of her politics. It turns out that there were a LOT of people from different departments at that potluck. People I had no idea carried the pissed-off progressive banner. I hate to use that over-used word "liberating", but it was that kind of experience. Which made me realize a couple of things....

Progressives, leftists, liberals... however we identify ourselves... obviously feel pretty defensively "in the closet" if a simple potluck can be so freeing. Unlike right-wingers who can gather in churches of similar persuasion, the left does not have similarly accessible meeting places. (Unitarian churches are few and far between, and unions sold out in the political realm ages ago.) And while the internet can serve as a crystalizing point for progressive opinion, it's ineffective for getting some things done. And nothing compares to the feeling of relief and fellowship when you meet people who feel as you do and realize that you're not alone.

So... we intend to do this regularly. Keep reaching out- even in unlikely places (like work). You might be surprised who'll reach back!!

I envy you.

Being from NY and not a church goer, it is almost taboo to be conservative or libertarian. I would never dare to put a bumper sticker on my car that said anything conservative LOL, nor would I try and discuss anything at work really. The Leftwing radical folks around here get pretty damn violent in their politics. Smashed car windows, sliced tires etc..etc.. The local cops nabbed a guy with about 100 BUSH CHENEY signs he had stolen out of peoples yards. When I voted for Badnarik, I knew my vote was moot LOL.

What sucks IMHO, is that Progressives (I like that term) and Conservatives can't get together and have constructive discussions and find a common ground in many cases. Too often it feels more like a football game, where you have the bandwagoners for both sides, who couldn't tell you who the vice president of the US is let alone any of the other issues at hand. Yet they still seem to have an opinion on the election. I actually talked to a girl who said she would never vote for the Imperialist George Clinton!! ROFLMAO, that was a scary assed conversation, I spent the entire time nodding my head and wondering where our educational system went wrong.

The only freeing dialogue I get is when I get together with my wife's uncle who is a Marxist(not derogatory..he claims to be one) poetry teacher from NYU. An amazing guy really, whom I can sit down with and discuss politics without it becoming a bloodbath. What I find really cool about the time I spend with him, is that it is more a discussion on philosophy rather then a discussion on party affiliation. I can't say the same for sitting down with some of my conservative relatives who basically spew Limbaugh at me for 20 minutes, until I change the topic or leave the room. I'm the type of person who needs a little substance hehe.

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Wednesday, November 24, 2004 11:13 AM

SIGNYM

Well then I feel sorry for you bc you are really very isolated! BTW, the most insightful person I have ever talked to was a self-avowed Marxist.

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Wednesday, November 24, 2004 11:26 AM

JRC

I have only one comment so far, before I go to work tonight. I don't recall ever questioning your humanity. Maybe I should Google it.... :biggrin: I would sincerely hope that you don't put yourself or any other person into the same category of "human" as :blast:bin Laden or the rest of his pack, gaggle, flock, pride, etc. No normal "human" could do what they did three years ago, or behead people in front of a camera, or blow up the UN headquarters (these people are freedom fighters??), or two embassies in Africa, shall I go on?

Everyone dies alone.

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Wednesday, November 24, 2004 11:31 AM

DARKJESTER

JRC wrote:

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Yawn. Reaching out and building peace, with a little "please pity us, we lost". Just a bunch of sour grapes, people. I've accepted Kerry resignation speech, why can't you? Now you can work for 2008, maybe even "Billary" Clinton.

Wow - perfect example of a sore winner. Talk about whining! Yes, JRC, you "won" - get over yourself.

MAL "You only gotta scare him." JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

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Wednesday, November 24, 2004 11:43 AM

CONNORFLYNN

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM: Well then I feel sorry for you bc you are really very isolated! BTW, the most insightful person I have ever talked to was a self-avowed Marxist.

Well..I don't feel isolated in the traditional sense. I spend alot of time reading and can find constructive dialogue on-line, not so much on this board, because just about every topic is an attackfest rather then a discussion. What I find disturbing in NY anyways, is that it is virtually impossible to have a dissenting opinion on any topic, be it taxation, the environment, industry etc..etc... Liberals here are very elitist and in many cases less then open minded to any dialogue that doesn't wholly agree with their viewpoints. Most NY liberals decry the horrors of conservatism, yet systematically hinder others rights to an opinion with a serious smothering effect.

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Wednesday, November 24, 2004 12:07 PM

SIGMANUNKI

Quote:
Originally posted by JRC: I don't recall ever questioning your humanity.

Sorry, maybe that's a different thread. Juggling many things right now.

Quote:
Originally posted by JRC: I would sincerely hope that you don't put yourself or any other person into the same category of "human" as :blast:bin Laden or the rest of his pack, gaggle, flock, pride, etc.

Shall we do a genetic test? I would think that they would come back as human.

---- "Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

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Friday, November 26, 2004 7:15 PM

UNICORN

Humans: the only creatures on the planet capable of evil. None of the other animals think in moralistic terms (that we know of). That's what makes humans different.

And because we know the difference between good and bad-- yet there's still gun use, war and poverty, profiling and ethnic cleansing and all the rest-- because of all that stuff we should know is wrong but we do or cause anyway, we're human and not some "lower animal."

We can't pretend to disown members of our species, no matter how execrable their crimes against us. That's like breaking a mirror to try and change your face.

The only way to deal with guys like Osama Bin Laden and win is to build strong, personal ties over a period of many years with people at the ground level all over the world. Only when we all see each other as human will we even begin to prevent the kind of hatred that led to a terrorist act.

War is a short-term, temporary treatment, not a long-term solution, to this problem.

Okay, I think I delved into a vat of Pollyanna with that post. Ew.

There is no such thing as a weed.

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Friday, November 26, 2004 7:47 PM

UNICORN

Quote:
Originally posted by JRC: Uhhh, once again, YAWN. The Marines ARE fighting a war on terror, in Iraq. Remember that terrorist animal who pledged his loyalty to Bin Laden? That's right, he's somewhere in Iraq. Is this news to you? Also, all the arguments about WMD are now out the window because, yes, there are, and always have been, terrorists in ----wait for it---- Iraq. Remember the mastermind of the hijacking of that Italian oceanliner? He got captured in, you guessed it, Iraq, by U.S. Special Forces. Who knows how long he was hiding there, courtesy of Hussein. Is this news to you? By the way, last I heard, there are approx. 14,000 U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan, looking for you-know-who. Is this news to you?

So um, what about the Saudis? Or is their accountability for 9/11 (all but one of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis, and that one wasn't from Iraq either) not in our best interests?

And why the whole smokescreen about WMD in the first place, if they knew (we have seen the intelligence reports; they knew) there weren't any WMD based on the evidence we had? See, I think that's all still on the table because 'our leader' put it there.

Heck, what about Chechnya? Or are we only interested in guys who attack America directly? So, not all terrorists.

I mean if we come down to it, name me a country that hasn't, at some point, had terrorist links attached to it somehow? I'm sure there are a few quietly active cells here on our native soil right now.

Those of us who are 'whining,' as you put it, are upset because we feel that BURYING EVIDENCE and IGNORING INTELLIGENCE are not ideally the American way of doing things. We can't be the land of the free if we give up all of that freedom (transparency in government) in the name of fighting terror. We can't be the land of the brave if we're afraid to use all of the information we have in our decision-making process, even if it contradicts what we had previously believed.

Those of us 'whining' are tired of having to defend our right to disagree and speak out about it without being told we're whiners or traitors. We love America too, dude, we just hate what some people are doing to it, both from the outside and from higher-up places right here at home.

News to us would be if differing points of view were encouraged at the cabinet level and higher, so that the President had more than one way of looking at stuff before he made decisions about it. THAT would be news.

And yes, I saw that site. I especially love the acceptances from people all over the world. I wanna post a picture and message, too!

There is no such thing as a weed.

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Friday, November 26, 2004 9:10 PM

SIGMANUNKI

@Unicorn: Well said :smile:

---- "Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

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Monday, December 20, 2004 12:18 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Biggest bunch of sorry ass whiners and losers to appear on the internet. I feel sorry that some Americans have become so.... French. Pathetic.

And by the way...I'm NOT sorry Bush won. Now get over it and get a gorram life.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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