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If given the choice, Serenity television series, or 2 more films?

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:39 PM

OPPYH


Let's just assume Serenity will be huge, and Universal gives Joss the choice to make two more films, or a series on the sci-fi network which Universal owns. I myself would be overjoyed at the thought of another tv series, which would also bring over the new converts from the film. After Serenity is released, Joss will be as big as George Lucas. I don't think he will make a Buffy season 1 special edition w/ new enhanced computer generated monsters though. So new Series, or two more big budget movies?

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:42 PM

MSCKAREN


How many eps do I get guaranteed for this new season?

I want 2 years worth, minimum, meaining at least 40 eps.

Prefer a whole 7 year run but gotta at least guarantee me 2. One for each movie sacrificed....

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:45 PM

OPPYH


Yeah, let's say 2 full seasons 44 eps!!

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:50 PM

FIREFLYWILDCARD1


I would want the series on a channel that isn't reliant on cable. Sci-fi channel is only available through cable and many people will not subscribe just for one show. That would cut down on the viewers.

But choice between series and 2 movies....difficult choice. I would have to go with a series. Especially if 2 seasons are garaunteed. Plus the series would have to be sold on DVD after each season.

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:50 PM

CHRISISALL


That is a tough one. I would say a series, just because it could explore the characters in more depth than two more movies probably could, and because series-movie-series has never been done before, except- the scope of a theatrical feature would overshadow a series coming right after it. The following episodes, no matter how good, would inevitably be compared to a BDM.
I think I'd like to see a mini-series/movie/mini-series/movie deal. Best of both worlds.
To answer your question, movies, I guess. It's a hard call.

Throwin' popcorn Chrisisall

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:51 PM

STARPILOTGRAINGER


I'd want a series back. You can do stuff in a series you just can't do in a movie.

But I very much doubt we'll get the choice, thanks to that contractual thing with Fox.

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:53 PM

GABRIEL


Quote:

Originally posted by msckaren:
How many eps do I get guaranteed for this new season?

I want 2 years worth, minimum



Just so long as Fox isn't involved. Just imagine...

FOX
You died, Mr. Whedon.

JOSS (groggy)
Seemed like the thing to do.

The torturer (FOX EXEC) holds up a CANCELLATION DEVICE.

FOX
When you die, I can't hurt you
anymore. And I want two seasons at
least. Minimum.

The torturer (FOX EXEC) holds up another WICKED IMPLEMENT OF CANCELLATION.

FOX (cont'd)
I think many people know the name
Joss Whedon. Many know he crossed
FOX. They must know what happens
after that...

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That made more sense in my head. Oh well.

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:15 PM

RABIT


Well, of course I'd prefer to have the series - the character development and entertainment hours would be much more interesting to me. Joss has, unfortunately, clearly stated that he feels the concept has grown too large for the small screen, and he sees no chance of it returning there.

But hey, it's his world.

Rabit

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:24 PM

SERGEANTX


Quote:

Originally posted by Gabriel:
...

FOX
When you die, I can't hurt you
anymore. And I want two seasons at
least. Minimum.
...



Hilarious Gabriel!


For me this question takes very little deliberation. Firefly is the perfection of Joss's craft of SERIAL drama. Series for me, thank you.

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:27 PM

INIRE


Series:
1) Most of my mates have SF, so it would be a no brainer. And heck: I got cable just to watch Buffy regardless of what part of the country I'd moved to, so I could see myself doing it with SF as well.
2)Character Development: Big Things happen in movies, whereas the subtleties of human character can shine over a season (or 7).
3)Movies are too much like big ads nowadays; in the action /SF genre anyway, too many writers/producers seem to be beholden to some 'formula' that gets films sold, and that includes spin and a sense of product placement. bleah.

and I want a BUNCH of DVD sets, not just 3 !

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:29 PM

SERGEANTX


Quote:

Originally posted by Rabit:
...Joss has, unfortunately, clearly stated that he feels the concept has grown too large for the small screen, and he sees no chance of it returning there.

But hey, it's his world.

Rabit



It's pretty easy to read another message between those lines Rabit. Most every time Joss has been asked about it, he's been in the mode of promoting the movie. He mentioned early on, when the movie idea was first being thrown around that no studio would be interested in investing in the movie if it was merely a vehicle to relaunch a series. That's plenty of reason for him to play it close to the vest for now.

My guess is Joss has too much story in him to be satisfied with a movie every two or three years. It might come out in comics, novels, or maybe, just maybe, re-launching the series. I, for one, remain hopeful.


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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:34 PM

OXYOPIA


I was fortunate enough to have seen the BDM already and I have got to say that seeing it on the big screen makes it difficult to imagine the show ever returning to television.

Personally, I would have loved to see a couple more seasons of character development and bad guys being fed into engines, but that was before seeing the movie.

Also, I would like to point out that almost every show seems to suffer from a 22 episode season. It is very difficult to produce meaningful stories for such an extended period that both develops characters and retains continuity. Almost every series tends to have a few 'throw away' episodes that really don't add much to the overall story and ultimately tends to hinder the show's overall quality.

I think Firefly even came across this problem in the episode 'Heart of Gold'. A major continuity from 'Trash' and 'The Message' (The Lassiter) was lost in this episode and the crew's reason for partaking in the whorehouse job was, I felt, flimsy at best.

This is not to say that the episode was completely uselss, since there was some serious development in the relationships between both Mal/Inara and Wash/Zoe. However, these changes could have occured in a variety of settings.

If the series had continued, more of these issues might have cropped up which would diminish the overall effect of the show.

With a trilogy of movies, however, more time is allocated to produce an admittably truncated version of episodes containing less character development, but I think of a higher level of presentation and quality.

Also, how cool would it be to have a special edition boxed set of the Serenity Trilogy sitting on top of your DVD player as you watch 6 non-stop hours of our DBH's go from one end of the 'verse to the other with all the shiny visual movie magic and 7.1 channel surround sound helping them out along the ride? Can't you just see it?!

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:42 PM

SERGEANTX


Quote:

Originally posted by Oxyopia:
...With a trilogy of movies, however, more time is allocated to produce an admittably truncated version of episodes containing less character development, but I think of a higher level of presentation and quality.



Appreciate your opinion here Oxy, and it's just as valid as any, but personally, I'd take the character development over the presentation and quality any day. Joss could do Firefly with the fabled sock puppet troupe for all I care, as long as the character stuff is intact. If we lose that in the process of movie-izing Firefly.... well, I'm still hoping that doesn't happen.

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 4:38 PM

REGINAROADIE


Well, I'd like to see one of two things.

1) After SERENITY comes out and it becomes the next STAR WARS/MATRIX sci-fi franchise, I'd like to see FOX and Universal in a huge bidding war to see who get's full rights of the property. Universal/NBC wins out, and FIREFLY is brought back as a mid-season replacement to whatever bomb drama NBC has in the first half. End up doing spectacular LOST/DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES ratings and we all get what we want. But Joss wisely calls it quits after 4 years. Remember how Joss said that with the axe constantly hanging over your head they really did their best in trying to pack in as much story as possible? Well, I think that if the show was still on and it became a self-perpetuating motion machine, then it would run out of gas and peter out. I think that any show should have a life-span of five seasons. Long enough to satisfy the fans, but short enough to keep them from repeating themselves and meandering along. This is why I have far more respect for FUTURAMA than I do for THE SIMPSONS and think that Alan Ball is smart in calling it quits after this season of SIX FEET UNDER.

2) If we can't see then back on the small screen, then maybe the big screen endeavors should continue. Instead of two more movies, how about five. I've said this before, but theoretically, one could make a movie based on each of the characters. Now, we could compress some of those and just have a series with six movies in them. Six is kinda the magic # for film franchises. There are 6 STAR WAR movies, 6 STAR TREK films with the original cast, 6 Sean Connery James Bond movies, Columbia wants to make 3 more Spider-Man movies after #3, and most horror franchises seem to have about an average of six films to them. So I think five movies after SERENITY should satisfy everyone.

That's just what I think.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

And wow! Hey! What's this thing suddenly coming towards me very fast? Very very fast. So big and flat and round, it needs a big wide sounding name like ... ow ... ound ... round ... ground! That's it! That's a good name - ground! I wonder if it will be friends with me?

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 5:41 PM

CANTTAKESKY


Here's my fantasy.

Serenity makes a decent profit, say $100 million at the North American box office. Sequel is greenlighted with a bigger budget. Joss, now having done both Serenitiy and Wonder Woman, gets even better at the big screen. Serenity #2 crosses over from cult favorite to mainstream success. Serenity # 3 is enthusiastically anticipated, with a record opening. It breaks out as a major blockbuster, gets a few Oscars, and our BDH's get invited to the Academy Awards as presenters. Their careers are launched into outer space.

Now a more seasoned movie maker and Hollywood's newest IT director, Joss can do whatever he wants. He manages to talk FOX partially out of their stranglehold on Firefly rights and produces a Firefly mini-series to launch a new spin off series (like Angel from Buffy) that enjoys 7 seasons on a major network (not FOX) AND 3 more motion pictures.

Sitting on my DVD shelf 15 years from now, I'll have Firefly the original series, Serenity trilogy, Firefly mini-series, Spin Off series seasons 1-7, and the Spin off movie trilogy. And I'll be satisfied.

It could happen.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 5:57 PM

JADEHAND


Well, Given the hypothetical option of 2 guaranteed 22 episode seasons or 2 movies, I'd take the 44 hours over the 4 hours of my BDHs. But considering the contractual restrictions I'll take 2-3 more movies in the next 8 years, then more seasons when the restrictions end.
And I'd prefer the seasons on NBC(which Universal also owns) over Sci-Fi, I just don't feel the need to pay another $30 a month for 1-3 channels worth the occassional view. If They'd charge per channel I'd get it, But I don't need 3 ESPNs, and 10 home shopping channels.
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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 7:33 PM

SIGMANUNKI


Definitly a series. More bang for your buck. Plus they could do a more involved plot arc, etc.

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 8:58 PM

EMMA


Definitely a series, but if I am going to be fair to the actors (and they are so shiny) more films would, probably be better for their careers, maybe they might like the regular income though - who knows.

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 12:50 AM

WHOISRIVER


I'd take films, having seen the BDM.

Aside from anything, a TV series ain't gonna happen again, so people are visiting their lives away in that respect.

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 3:56 AM

MACBAKER


It's a pointless question. Universal only has the rights for more movies. If it became a series again, Fox still owns the TV rights and you know what that means. I'll take the movies.

I'd given some thought to movin' off the edge -- not an ideal location -- thinkin' a place in the middle.

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:29 AM

BARNSTORMER


Series, no question.

I really hate waiting (personal issue). I can
handle the incredible over the top anticipation of
waiting for the movie only because the alternative
was no firefly at all.

But I know, that come Sept 30, I'll see the BDM, then see it again, then see it again, .....ect,
but the thought that will be bouncing around my
brain after Sept 30 will be "OKAY, NOW HOW DAMNED
LONG DO I HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE NEXT ONE?????"

"ONE YEAR?"....
"TWO YEARS?"....
"THREE?"....

"Grrrr, Arrgh. I hate waiting"

After all, it's all about me you know.





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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:40 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by BarnStormer:
After all, it's all about me you know.


What?
I thought it was all about Malicious!


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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:51 AM

SHINYSEVEN


Euwww--when I pick "Series" does that mean I have to stick the BDM's ear in my bra?

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 5:04 AM

HAMADRYAD


I'll take anything I can get and be happy with it... but if I had a choice I'd love a series. A big, shiny series that will keep me happy for a few years.

I'd be pretty happy with a Serenity spin-off, too. Even if it had different characters, but I'd be happiest with a few more years of Firefly.

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 5:20 AM

ZEEK


I'd take series a thousand times over before I picked movie.

I've seen Serenity and I love it. Though I'd rather have new bits of the 'verse to watch every week rather than every 2 years or so.

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 5:28 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Given the choice I would definitely want a new series on TV, so long as 'Versal was doing it & Fox was not involved in any way shape or form. I would also like to see the show handled like the network actually cared about the show and absolutely no interference by network execs.

I of course would only want a series if it is what the cast & Joss want. I would not want to see any of their careers or dreams hurt or hindered just to make us happy.

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 5:30 AM

JIGME


me, i'll take both, please - a la Star Trek. why not?

but i REALLY hope that somehow - and i really don't know how this is going to happen, but it COULD - Mr Whedon gets enough power/powerful allies from Serenity to wrest contractual control from Fox a whole lot sooner than 8 years from now. MANY things can change in 8 years; at least, our BDMs will be 8 years older...

please: LET the man tell his story! 'cos it's a damn good one...

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 5:36 AM

SERGEANTX


Quote:

Originally posted by jigme:
me, i'll take both, please - a la Star Trek. why not?

but i REALLY hope that somehow - and i really don't know how this is going to happen, but it COULD - Mr Whedon gets enough power/powerful allies from Serenity to wrest contractual control from Fox a whole lot sooner than 8 years from now. MANY things can change in 8 years; at least, our BDMs will be 8 years older...

please: LET the man tell his story! 'cos it's a damn good one...



Yup, I agree. I appreciate those who want to prevent the pain of false hope. But I don't think it's unrealistic at all to think we might see this back in a regular release format... and before the three movies are done. We'll just see how it goes.

Certainly no more unrealistic than hoping they'd make a major movie out of a tv series cancelled after ten eps.


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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 6:34 AM

JIGME


Quote:

But I don't think it's unrealistic at all to think we might see this back in a regular release format... and before the three movies are done.


you're right - totally agree (and, as you'll have spotted, i meant BDHs, not movies!).

i'm wondering exactly how well Serenity has to do to give Mr Whedon the leverage he needs, and how well we can reasonably EXPECT it to do, but like you, i really feel it's well within the bounds of possibility!

in my dreams, a new series gets a green light within a year of Serenity's solid box-office performance ($100m+ worldwide), which then gets shown on a major network as intended, building strong ratings within a season and going on to become the new (and imo better!) Star Trek.

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 6:59 AM

WHOISRIVER


Quote:

Certainly no more unrealistic than hoping they'd make a major movie out of a tv series cancelled after ten eps.


Serenity being made into a movie wasn't unrealistic for many reasons. Firstly, Fox had told Joss they would be willing to release certain rights of Firefly. Hurray. Secondly, Joss has film writing experience. Hurray. Thirdly, there were certain people at Universal who really like Joss, and actually UNDERSTOOD Firefly.

Now, regarding the series...

Firstly, Joss is under contract to return to 21st Century Fox if he writes for TV again. Secondly, Fox still own the rights for Firefly's TV series until 2012 (they signed it for a 10 year period when it was first comissioned in 2002).

If the movie is a massive success, everybody is contracted to Universal for 3 movies. Fine, get them out the way. Then, if it'd made enough money, Joss Whedon could return to 21st Century Fox, and try to get Fox to release the rights to Firefly to another network. Or if it's 2012, he can move it anyway.

So, for a new TV series, we're realistically looking at either after 3 movies, or 2012.

And that's if Joss WANTS to pick it up on TV again. I suggest people go google on that front and find some quotes from him, or next time you see him, ask him..

Joss LOVES Firefly. He's also trying to forge a movie career, as are the actors.

Anyway, all I'm trying to say is that the chance of Firefly returning to TV this decade? 0%. The chance next decade? Maybe. It's possible.

In the mean time? Enjoy the movies. The TV series, for the next 5-10 years, *IS DEAD*. GONE. OVER. If it's reborn next decade, we'll have to see what's left of the production crew, actors etc.

The positive side, of course, is Serenity. People shouldn't be dismisith of that, cause you ain't got anything else in the mean time (except comics, Krad's books, games etc).

One final note: don't presume Serenity is going to do well at the box office. Don't predict hundreds of millions of dollars of ticket sales. It might bomb. Really, it might well. If the public doesn't take to it, it's all over.

If the movie bombs, no TV network is going to pick the series back up. Nobody would originally, and after a failed movie that wouldn't change things. It just wouldn't happen. High and dry.

So PROMOTE.

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 7:03 AM

JEREELHUNTER


I'd go with the series, definately. But, being on cable, bear in mind that it would onyl have a 13-16 episode season, unlike the major networks. This could be good or bad depending on how you look at it, though. Looking at a show like "The Shield", you wonder if anyone can keep up that kinda writing season after season, for 24 episodes. But the cable shows don't have to, they have a little more time to focus on and write the stories between filming of the seasons...

But then again, less firefly.

But I digress... series, all the way.

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 7:53 AM

GONZAI


I'd much rather a series, and if by some miracle it happened, a 15 episode season would be good, maintaining the quality of the writing, etc.

There is one scenario under which Firefly *could* return to TV before 2012 - Fox may own Firefly until then, but contracts can be bought. It would take a heckuva lot of money, esp. if the films did well enough to warrant wanting to put the show back on TV, but contractual buyouts are a (faint) possibility.

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 7:57 AM

SERGEANTX


Quote:

Originally posted by WhoIsRiver:
... Anyway, all I'm trying to say is that the chance of Firefly returning to TV this decade? 0%. The chance next decade? Maybe. It's possible.

In the mean time? Enjoy the movies. The TV series, for the next 5-10 years, *IS DEAD*. GONE. OVER. If it's reborn next decade, we'll have to see what's left of the production crew, actors etc. ...



Hmmm... I don't buy it. I have my reasons, but there's no point in arguing over it.

Tell me though, wouldn't it be great if you're wrong!?

SergeantX

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:37 AM

JTHOS1155


I CAN'T DO IT CAPTAIN!!!

NO WAY CAN I MAKE SUCH A DECISION! I WANT IT ALL!
I WANT A SEASON AND A MOVIE, THEN, A SEASON AND A MOVIE. THEN ANOTHER SEASON...

OK. IF I HAVE TO CHOOSE, I CHOOSE THE TELEVISION SERIES. THIS WAY WE CAN LATER DEMAND ANOTHER MOVIE, THEN A SERIES, THEN A MOVIE...

JTHOS

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:47 AM

CHANNAIN

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Quote:

Originally posted by OPPYH:
Let's just assume Serenity will be huge, and Universal gives Joss the choice to make two more films, or a series on the sci-fi network which Universal owns. I myself would be overjoyed at the thought of another tv series, which would also bring over the new converts from the film. After Serenity is released, Joss will be as big as George Lucas. I don't think he will make a Buffy season 1 special edition w/ new enhanced computer generated monsters though. So new Series, or two more big budget movies?

Series series series... please! thank you!

Character development takes an unpleasant turn in movies often times - either it happens too fast or not fast enough or just plain not at all.

If it was on Showtime or HBO, I would indeed upgrade my cable service to watch it. If it were on Sci-Fi, I'd be happier, because then it wouldn't be the All Stargate All The Time Channel anymore. Not that I don't like Stargate, I'm just thinking that Sci-Fi needs a little more variety in its schedule.

Joss would have to be in charge of course, although the Stargate series has done well without the original producers. I don't remember if Highlander was done by the same folks who did the movie (please note the lack of pluralization). However, if it had to be done by somebody else, then it better be someone who GETS the Firefly universe. I mean look how "Enterprise" turned out.

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:57 AM

YT

the movie is not the Series. Only the facts have been changed, to irritate the innocent; the names of the actors and characters remain the same


Whatever Joss wants to do. But I mean "do", not "delegate". If he lets Tim Minear direct one of the sequels, it will feel like letting him spoil three seasons of Firefly, rather than just the occasional ep.

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:04 AM

LISTER


Here's what I see happening if you want a series again...and it doesn't involve waiting 8 years.

IF the movie is a success, what keeps Fox from striking while the irons hot and paying big money to start up the series in-between movies? If I had a contract to something proven successful I wouldn't hide it away, I'd use it to make money. Enough money thrown at Joss and the gang would convince them to come back to Fox, and Fox would treat it like the major franchise it has become. Say, movie, series, movie, series, movie. After that the crew will have outgrown their roles anyway.

Run to the Tower, and call out the Magus
If he has caused this, we'll tear out his pages
Throw him in shackles, AND REMOVE HIS HANDS!
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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:13 AM

OXYOPIA


This is just a quick poll (of my own curiosity), but how many people opting for the series have seen the movie? And, as a corollary, how many people who have seen the movie are opting for the series?

Myself, I have seen the movie and am opting for two more...but that seems to be of the minority vote.

-Oxy


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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:23 AM

BARNSTORMER


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by BarnStormer:
After all, it's all about me you know.


What?
I thought it was all about Malicious!


Just a toy Chrisisall



Well, Yeah Malicious to




Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:32 AM

JTHOS1155


PLEASE SATISFY MY CURIOSITY FIRST.
HOW DID YOU GET TICKETS TO THE MOVIE?
WE SOLD OUT IN THREE HOURS HERE IN SOUTH FLORIDA.

I AM TEMPTED TO WAIT IN FRONT OF THE THEATRE AND BEAT SOMEONE UP AND TAKE THEIR TICKET. BUT BEING THE 6'2", 215 LB TEDDY BEAR THAT I AM I WILL STAY HOME AND WATCHED THE DVD'S AGAIN.

TO ANSWER YOUR POLL QUESTION: NO, DID NOT SEE THE MOVIE. BUT FROM THE TRAILERS AND SPOILERS, KNOW THAT I AND THE TWENTY PEOPLE I DRAG WITH ME TO SEE THE MOVIE WILL WANT MORE.

JTHOS

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:58 AM

EMBASSY


I'm liking the idea of a TV series, but with format changes.

I've become fond of the way HBO presents its marquee dramas. They run one hour episodes, 13 weeks straight. This is a little scant of the amount of actual screen time one gets in a season of broadcast TV by a bit over an hour, but because the show doesn't have to be "broken" at predictable intervals you get to tell some story.

I have subscribed to HBO intermittently when something I like is running, and they just about always run the series straight through. I think Joss could tell us all some pretty great stories in this format.

As far as our BDHs go, we will eventually have to say goodbye to them, but the 'verse is a large place. I think having them on the big screen is for the best, not least because the actors make more money and are free for other projects where their talents can shine.

So, my dream would be three movies with the Nine, and then a spinoff series of some sort in an HBO-like format. Where it airs is an open question. I think a direct to DVD business model might actually make sense pretty soon here, but cable or network is also a possibility if they don't mess with it too badly.

And Fox should in no way have a taste of it, ever again.

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:58 AM

WEICHI


I am new here, and I know it is so not shiny to tell you good folk who have been keeping hope alive through the blackest of the black to be realistic, but I think the kind of series we would want is a longshot.

First there are the Fox issues raised by others.

Second, our premise is the movie is a big success. Now, dont throw mw to the Reavers, its fixin to be huge - but that means Joss and our shiny little cast are going to be huge too. Of course I would choose series, but only if Joss can keep it flying, with the cast we love.

Under those circumstances, the movies are our best hope I think, and if they run our of steam, a mini-series or two?

You see how I'm not hittin him, I think I've grown

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:21 AM

OXYOPIA


JTHOS1155, the key to getting tickets to the screenings seems to be 99% luck and 1% effort.

Your idea of going to the theater and looking for tickets may be valid. A few hopefuls at the May 5th screening pulled that off successfully. The post about trading tickets for a couple Jayne's hats comes to mind.

All in all, Browncoats are an eclectic sort, you never know what can happen.

-Oxy

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:30 AM

CHRISISALL


Welcome Weichi.
Here's something to consider, how many TV shows have ever had 15 episodes in a row range from just really good to excellent? I mean no junk, no throwaways?
See? I can't think of one, either.
How long could Firefly have maintained this streak? A year? Two? The worst thing can't happen-it will never be a series everyone agrees was great at the beginning, and lost it around season 3 ( or 6, or whatever, you see what I mean).
It goes right from perfect show to perfect movies!
We can at least rejoice in that, right?
(...although a 'bad' season of Firefly would still probably be better than most of the other slime on TV....)

The bright side Chrisisall

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:59 AM

RAE


I'm one of those greedy ones that want both, but what about an alternative?

With all that is available on the internet these days, why not a Firefly series? It could be a subscription service, with a new episode every couple weeks, or even once a month, and we just download it.

Maybe call it Serenity instead of Firefly. That gets away from Fox, around the TV contract crap, and still gives us a steady fix. Then, as the other movies came out, they can generate more people to the site for their episodes between movies.

Not sure if this is a possible option, but I'd pay for that. Any other takers?

Rae

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 11:45 AM

BATMARLOWE


Series instead of films. We get to see more of the characters more often. Although I'd like a 5 year run rather than 2.

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 11:56 AM

ILIZEDE


Many people saw Firefly for the first time on DVD. I think a TV series on DVD is a good idea, even if it was a monlthy DVD that you got in the mail through a subscription. However I figure such a thing would be hard to start up and even harder to get new people. Why would a TV channel advertise a show that isn't on their network, and who would see it if they are watching the DVDs instead.

With that said, I don't have HBO but I like Six Feet Under, Carnivale, and Deadwood. Thankfully I can buy the box set and watch it when it is over. Although I have to wait the whole season to get it.

I'd personally love if Sci-Fi got the series or even a spinoff (SG-1 is a spinoff and Atlantis is yet another spinoff). I don't watch the other networks much and I find thier re-hashed crime/medical dramas annoying.

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 12:37 PM

JADEHAND


Oxyopia wrote:
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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 09:13
This is just a quick poll (of my own curiosity), but how many people opting for the series have seen the movie? And, as a corollary, how many people who have seen the movie are opting for the series?

Myself, I have seen the movie and am opting for two more...but that seems to be of the minority vote.

-Oxy

..



Hey Oxy,
I voted for series based on the idea of 2 seasons = 44 hours vs 2 movies = 4 hours. But, I have not yet seen Serenity, and likely won't until Sept. Also between seasons we wait 3 months, between movies 2-3 years. Of course I realize this is all in the hypothetical, and it's most likely that we get 2-3 more movies and nothing more.


However, Here's an idea for you Universal. You wanna get around the FOX contracts? And make a lot of money? We'd like for you to do that to. Give Joss a big budget for Film #2. They do movie #2 and say 20 episodes of the show on the big budget.(the sets will already be there for the movie, just leave it up for a while) Universal releases it all as the Delux movie DVD. The episodes count as extras/ deleted scenes. I'd pay $80-$100 for that DVD box. I doubt I'd be alone.
Crazy? Yeah. Possible? Yeah. Likely? Not so much, but I'll dream.
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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 3:19 PM

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 3:37 PM

OPPYH


Where is everybody getting this false information about Fox owning the rights for Serenity???? After the series was cancelled Fox gave Joss free reign to find another network to pick up the series. This is why he shopped it around for 4 months before he decided on a film. Calling the series Firefly was the only stipulation. Serenity sounds as good a name as any to me. Fox owns the rights to the Fireflyseries that aired on their network. That is as far as it goes.

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