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Malcolm Reynolds vs. James Kirk (in his prime): who'd win in a good old fashioned fistfight?

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 2:30 PM

CHRISISALL


I'm sure 'Q' could arrange it, but who would win?
Let's assume they each believe their crews are at stake, and that they're mortal enemies.

I see it as a toss-up; any of y'all have definite opinions one way or another?

Felt the need for a dumb but fun topic is all- Chrisisall

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 2:33 PM

DREAMTROVE


I'm gonna go with Mal, because he'd throw the KO punch while JT was still warming up and getting his shirt off.

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 2:35 PM

LOGGERHEAD


I hate to say it, but Mal isn't much use in a fistfight. It's one thing if he has Zoe and Jayne backing him up, but otherwise all he really did was beat up a girl, and that one was pretty close.

Kirk in the first round.

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 2:46 PM

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Now Zoe vs. Cpt. Kirk...

He'd be making passes at her whilst she commenced to kicking the crap out of him...LOL

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 3:28 PM

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I'd vote for Mal. He knows how--and when--to fight dirty. And he's not so bad, hand to hand; he gave the operative his money's worth, after all.

But I'm not so interested in who would win the fight, as I am in who would score the background music...

Can't you just hear that old Amok Time riff in the air right now? The one that was Doctor Zoidberg's national anthem on Futurama?

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 5:00 PM

MOOSE


Quote:

Originally posted by RocketJock:

Can't you just hear that old Amok Time riff in the air right now? The one that was Doctor Zoidberg's national anthem on Futurama?

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Geez, man...that's exactly what went through my mind when I first read this thread.

I'd vote for Kirk...until Inara distracts him.

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 5:07 PM

DREAMTROVE


Mal would be aiming to fix it in the openning punch. Failing that, things might head south for him.

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 5:14 PM

KNIBBLET


I don't know about the whole fist fight thing ... but it would be funnier than a monkey's uncle to set Reaver-kicking River on a whole gaggle of red shirts.

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 5:20 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Mal would do exactly what I would do....

pipe wrench to the back of the head. game over



mind you, shat is cool... really like him as Denny Crane

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 5:21 PM

DOYOUFLIP


What about Spock vs. Mal? I'll bet Mal got that nerve (aka the vulcan stun grip or what-the-heck-ever nerve) all torn up with shrapnel too.

Or maybe Reavers vs. Tribbles. Damn little critters would make good hors d'oevres I'd bet.

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 5:37 PM

ERINBC


To be honest I haven't watched Trek since I was in elementary school, but I gotta go with Mal...Kirk'd be too busy overacting and like somebody said already, getting his shirt off. He'd be waxing poetic and Mal would knock him down...or more likely just shoot him Indiana Jones style. On the other hand, if you let him have a phaser he might do better.

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 5:37 PM

CLETUSMUSASHI


In an old fashioned fist fight, Mal would win.
Reason?
He'd bring a gun.

I'll be in my bunk.

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 5:39 PM

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Nothing in the universe can beat shirt ripped Kirk.

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 5:41 PM

REGINAROADIE


The Kirk-fu chop is always a good way to defeat opponents. And in the few moments we've seen Mal at hand to hand combat, he really didn't put up that much a fight. Even Simon could take him out.

But if it were an honest gun-fight, no question about it. Mal would definitly win.

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 5:46 PM

SAINT JAYNE


I'll have to go with Kirk. Mal was never about the butt-kicking. That's what Jayne is there for.

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 5:48 PM

BOOKSWORD


Please, Kirk never faced a down and dirty deceiver like Mal here.

While Kirk is giving a 'we are not animals' speech to the Q complete with wavy hands and poignet pauses.

Mal would wait till Kirks back is turned and kick him in the happy place followed by some haymakers in the kidneys.

While Kirk is curled up on the ground in pain Mal would set in some kicks for good measure.

First rule of a fist fight, win.

Second rule of a fist fight, hit first.

Third rule of a fist fight, if your opponet cant hit you, even better.

Hell who are we kidding, Shepard Book could take the Kirk.

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 5:48 PM

TINFOIL


I'm going to have to put my money on Kirk. Mal is more of a dirty "take advantage of the situation" type of fighter. If they were placed on random planets and had to seek each other out sort of fight, I'd give the nod to Mal...

Kinda like a Batman Vs Superman fight. If they just met in a bull ring, someone yelled fight, and they went at it, Batman would get clobbered. If Batman decided it was time for Superman to die, Superman would be dead.

Summery:
Batman = Malcolm Reynolds
Superman = James Kirk
Mal + an Arena + Superman = Superman wins
Batman + Mal + Superman + Kirk + planet wide fight = Mal + Batman playing checkers in the Batcave
Me + head trauma = this post

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 6:08 PM

ACIDRAINE


In terms of the Tribbles: Since they tend to mess with peoples' emotions, I am guessing that they would make the Reavers more aggressive. Next thing you hear, the Reavers have taken over the world with their band of Tribbles ~_^

Spock would use his logic to run circles around Mal. After awhile of listening to him, Mal would send him to speak with Inara or Book after growing impatient ^_^

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 6:15 PM

CLETUSMUSASHI


Kirk was only effective against villains who fought in slow motion like he did. If the altercation took place at modern fight scene speed, Kirk would still be circling with his arms spread, waiting for that ctitical moment when Mal would throw a horribly overextended right hook and teeter forward off balance so that Kirk could raise his hands together for the traditional two-fisted whatchamacallit. Mal is no superhero, but I think he's quick enough to handle Kirk's style, especially since he'd cheat. Now Sisko, of course, would flatten Mal. Sisko versus Jayne, or Tauress versus Zoe, or maybe Badger versus Quark, now those would be good fights!
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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 6:15 PM

CLETUSMUSASHI


Oops. Double post.

I'll be in my bunk.

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 6:28 PM

EMBERS


yeah I'm totally going with Mal:
he wouldn't hesitate to bite, or kick...
or hit with a wrench.

Kirk would never want to be caught hitting below the belt, but Mal would definitely fight dirty.

And of course if they had back up, Spock would be trying to pinch people's nerves while Zoe & Jayne would show up with heavy weapons fire.

I'll give Kirk credit for courage and imagination, but Mal has guile and desperation and nothing to lose.

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 6:59 PM

IAMALEAFONTHEWIND


At first I thought it would definately be Kirk, but then I thought about Mal fighting the Operative - he held up OK there. So then I think it's a tough call...

but in the end I think I gotta go with Kirk because the Enterprise has guns and Serenity doesn't.

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 7:13 PM

VENA


Quote:

Originally posted by iamaleafonthewind:
At first I thought it would definately be Kirk, but then I thought about Mal fighting the Operative - he held up OK there. So then I think it's a tough call...

but in the end I think I gotta go with Kirk because the Enterprise has guns and Serenity doesn't.

"I don't wanna explode."



Then again Serenity does have Jayne and River...

I have to give my vote to Mal. If the life of his crew is on the line Kirk would be dead faster than you can spit.


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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 7:42 PM

GUILDSISTER


In a straight-up fistfight--no guns, no pipewrenches, no crews for backup--Kirk would kick Mal's ass. Kirk has better training and technique (like the Operative) So Kirk would be winning... right up until Kirk saw the opening to be agreeable and diplomatic and bring Serenity into the Federation. Mal would smile agreeably... and kill him.



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Wednesday, October 19, 2005 4:04 AM

DANTE144


Uh..Kirk.

The Beauty of Mal's Character is that while he can stomp butt, he's a soldier and all,but he's just a normal person.

Kirk on the other hand ,when did he ever lose a fight? He was bigger than life. Even till he was old.

But Mal would proabably kick him in the nuts when Kirk wasn't looking(flirting with Zoe).

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Wednesday, October 19, 2005 4:22 AM

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May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Hands down Mal would win. Mal isn't going to give up and he has no qualms about fighting dirty to win.

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Wednesday, October 19, 2005 4:23 AM

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"Kirk-fu chop"

Hee hee hee...good one :)

Thanks for the laugh!

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Wednesday, October 19, 2005 4:23 AM

LOGGERHEAD


Why would anyone think Mal did well against the operative? Mal was outmatched and got his ass kicked twice. The only reason he didn't get killed in the second fight was due to the Operative's arrogance.

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Wednesday, October 19, 2005 4:56 AM

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Kirk: "I'm sure any number of men here would be able to lend you a fist."

Mal: "A fwhat?"


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Wednesday, October 19, 2005 5:01 AM

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Perfect, DonCoat, perfect!

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Wednesday, October 19, 2005 5:55 AM

CYBERSNARK


Mal. Kirk's fighting style is too flashy & showy; Mal knows how to fight dirty.

The real fight I'd pay to see would be Mal versus Makenzie Calhoun (from Peter David's New Frontiers series). Mack's known for K.O.ing people in mid-conversation. Even mid-word. Plus, he's an ex-soldier (from before he joined Starfleet). Peter David = Star Trek's equivalent of Joss.

Plus then we'd get:

Zoe versus Shelby. (Tie.)
Zak Kebron versus Jayne. (Zak wins by not doing anything; he just soaks up all of Jayne's bullets then breaks Jayne's knuckles with his face.)
Robin Lefler versus Kaylee. (Tie, they both quit fighting and wander off commiserating over guys not being able to get the hint.)
Si Cwan versus Simon (In a duel of foot-in-mouth. Simon wins.)
Dr. Selar versus Simon. (Not a fight, but a battle of elitist sarcasm. Selar wins [because she actually intends to insult people].)

I can't figure out if Mark McHenry would be a better foe for Wash (as the wacky pilot) or River (as the genius nutcase).

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Wednesday, October 19, 2005 6:13 AM

SOONERTHEBETTER


Makes sense, actually, that they'd be enemies... Kirk and the Federation are exactly like the Alliance. Mal would fight to the death just on principle! ;-D I can see Mal winning, but only because Serenity/Firefly have more believable choreography. *G*

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Wednesday, October 19, 2005 6:21 AM

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Wednesday, October 19, 2005 6:37 AM

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I know you said fist fight, but I'm gonna go with Mal whipping out his six shooter and going for the great K's gutt, while Kirk's still doing whatever the hell he does with his Captain's log ...

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Wednesday, October 19, 2005 8:33 AM

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LOL oh my god, reavers vs. tribbles.....I used to have a tribble and the model of NCC-1701, till my brother got in to blowin' things up...

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Wednesday, October 19, 2005 9:22 AM

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Suppose the tribbles caught the Pax from the Reavers, Reaver Tribbles?

Kirk Vs Mal, Kirk would try his usual flying drop kick. Mal takes one step backwards, waits for Kirk to hit the ground and shoots him in the kneecap.

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Wednesday, October 19, 2005 9:31 AM

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I smell a whole nother movie...in REAL trouble with tribbles....

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Wednesday, October 19, 2005 11:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Guildsister:
In a straight-up fistfight--no guns, no pipewrenches, no crews for backup--Kirk would kick Mal's ass. Kirk has better training and technique (like the Operative) So Kirk would be winning... right up until Kirk saw the opening to be agreeable and diplomatic and bring Serenity into the Federation. Mal would smile agreeably... and kill him.


It's a good point you bring up here...Mal frequently gets his butt kicked, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he loses.

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Monday, October 9, 2006 6:37 AM

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Kirk and Mal in a brawl would just be odd, and while I know that's the point of this thread, I'd have to say that Mal squaring off against Han Solo would be far more interesting...

However, since it's not about Han and Mal, I'd have to say that Mal would be victorious over Kirk given his loathing of anything related to the government

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Monday, October 9, 2006 7:01 AM

ELDUSTO


Kirk would win the fist fight with Mal, then Zoe would shoot Kirk, then Spock would do that Vulcan pinching knockout thing on Zoe, then Jayne would Hammer fist Spock for the win.

Of course, Mal would most likely shoot Kirk just as Kirk put up his fists.

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Monday, October 9, 2006 7:16 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by CletusMusashi:
In an old fashioned fist fight, Mal would win.
Reason?
He'd bring a gun.

I'll be in my bunk.



Hahahahaha! Very true!




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Monday, October 9, 2006 8:13 AM

SPACEANJL


Mal wouldn't hit Kirk. That's what he has Jayne for. And Kirk would be too busy smirking at Inara.

Have you guys read the piss-take in 'Finding Serenity?' Archer et al about to become the dinner cabaret for a reaver ship.


Reaver Tribbles?


....


Actually, I now have a crackfic...Kaylee. A li'l petshop/deli out on the Rim. And a basket of little custard-coloured furballs that she and River think are just so darn cute.


Of course, the first one that growled at Jayne would end up as a sandwich...

Has anyone written this? If not - Shall I write it?

(This is incidentally and actually a lot saner than anything else I've been plotting.)

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Monday, October 9, 2006 8:16 AM

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*is scared*

Then by all means, go with that crackfic. I don't want to see the insaner stuff!




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Monday, October 9, 2006 8:26 AM

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Best stay away from the Blue Sun Room, then.

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Monday, October 9, 2006 9:11 AM

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Mal, hands down (or fists up rather). I mean Mal has had a rough life and has an even rougher attitude. Kirk just sits in his chair and sends those poor saps in the red shirts out to die.

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Monday, October 9, 2006 10:06 AM

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Mal would SO kick Kirk's ass! I think Kirk would be too busy talking in that slow stunted dialect of his, to notice the K.O. sucker punch Mal would be throwing his way.

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Monday, October 9, 2006 11:05 AM

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Kirk always wins a fist fight...Mal gets bailed out to often. I gotta go with kirk...and damn was he handsome in his younger years!!!!!!
What about Han solo?

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Monday, October 9, 2006 11:48 AM

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mal would kick the crap out of Kirk, simply because, while Kirk may be better trained, and all such, Mal is a back-alley scuffler. When Kirk was expecting a haymaker, he'd be surprised by a kick in the balls.........all my money goes on Mal.

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Monday, October 9, 2006 12:00 PM

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Shamrock Vs. Ortiz...Reynolds vs. Kirk...Tough to call, but, I think the younger would win. Ortiz and Reynolds, that's who I'd put my money on.

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Monday, October 9, 2006 12:09 PM

MINK


Mal belongs to the George Washington underdog school of fighting: you don't have to win, you just have to not lose. He takes the abuse and hangs in there until circumstances turn in his favor.

OK, how about River Tam v. Obi-Wan Kenobi?

It's okay to leave them to die.

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Monday, October 9, 2006 12:09 PM

MINK


Mal belongs to the George Washington underdog school of fighting: you don't have to win, you just have to not lose. He takes the abuse and hangs in there until circumstances turn in his favor.

OK, how about River Tam v. Obi-Wan Kenobi?

It's okay to leave them to die.

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