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fireflyfans.net needs your help

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Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:07 AM

no spam please.

fireflyfans.net was registered with tucows under the normal set of rules bounding each registrant to their domain name registrar. Rules including ones where the registrant such as Haken have to provide real and true business contact info as part of the registration process. Problem is, registrars then turn around and post the contact records and make them available under whois, such as:

http://www.betterwhois.com/bwhois.cgi?domain=fireflyfans.net

Normally, this is probably okay. The problem is Haken really doesn't want every kook to know his phone number or any of his mailing addresses. So, putting not real info in the contact info lines gets him letters like these from tucows:

Hello;
This is to inform you that to date I have not seen any changes made to the
Whois.
As the agreement that you signed with us states that
"Your willful provision of inaccurate or unreliable information, your
willful failure promptly to update information "
and
"the accuracy of contact details associated with the your registration shall
constitute a material breach
of this Agreement and be a basis for cancellation of the domain name"
And that we (Tucows) as per our obligation with ICANN is left with no other
recourse than to cancel the above mentioned domain.

If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me.

Paul Karkas
Compliance Officer OpenSRS
Tucows Inc.

Why stay with Tucows? they are cheap and they run a good program. Most of the other registrars either charge more or deal with things with ill manners. Tucows is also opensource and open-process. Something that we should support. Tucows make it possible for regular folks to become domain name registrars.

So, this is the part where you can help. Write to Paul in nice and professional language and ask him to get Tucows to allow registrants the option to block their contact info from the whois DB. The requirement to give Tucows real contact info wouldn't change and will continue to allow Tucows to contact the registrant/owner.

Here is something I drafted up that you can use:

..... Pauls email removed .....

Paul:

I heard that because of the contact information that the registrant for fireflyfans.net has placed in his/her contact record, you will be cancelling that domain.

As an avid fan and user of that website, I would like to let you know that the website operator needs a bit of anonymity from the world wide whois db. Having his/her public contact info available thru the whois db has previously made it possible for all sorts of oddballs to harass them.

Paul, as a user for this website, I would like to petition you to allow registrants the option to block their personal contact info from the whois DB. This will continue to allow you to have true contact info for the registrant while at the same time protect the registrant from undue harassment.

Thanks,

.....

*********** IMPORTANT UPDATE ***************
I just got the following from Paul...

Hi;

Please see - http://www.icann.org/registrars/ra-agreement-17may01.htm

3.3 Public Access to Data on Registered Names. During the Term of this Agreement:

3.3.1 At its expense, Registrar shall provide an interactive web page and a port 43 Whois service providing free public query-based access to up-to-date
(i.e., updated at least daily) data concerning all active Registered Names sponsored by Registrar for each TLD in which it is accredited. The data accessible shall consist of elements that are designated from time to time according to an ICANN adopted specification or policy. Until ICANN otherwise specifies by means of an ICANN adopted specification or policy, this data
shall consist of the following elements as contained in Registrar's database:

3.3.1.1 The name of the Registered Name;

3.3.1.2 The names of the primary nameserver and secondary nameserver(s) for the Registered Name;

3.3.1.3 The identity of Registrar (which may be provided through Registrar's website);

3.3.1.4 The original creation date of the registration;

3.3.1.5 The expiration date of the registration;

3.3.1.6 The name and postal address of the Registered Name Holder;

3.3.1.7 The name, postal address, e-mail address, voice telephone number, and (where available) fax number of the technical contact for the Registered
Name; and

3.3.1.8 The name, postal address, e-mail address, voice telephone number, and (where available) fax number of the administrative contact for the Registered Name.

The appendix to this Agreement for a particular TLD may state substitute language for Subsections 3.3.1.1 through 3.3.1.8 as applicable to that TLD;
in that event the substitute language shall replace and supersede Subsections 3.3.1.1 through 3.3.1.8 stated above for all purposes under this
Agreement but only with respect to that particular TLD.

I have received the updates and all is well with this domain.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
note* Paul states that he has received the appropriate updates. fireflyfans.net is fine for now...

Also, note that according to ICANN rules, all registrars are suppose to allow everyone to see all of the contact info. However, looks like Verisign is not following the rules, as there are instances of blocking of contact info for their customers...

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Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:12 AM

YEAHITSME

huh? and how can we help...I fail to see the problem here...you kinda forgot to say what is wrong with what you said

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Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:20 AM

LOSTANGEL

Are you saying that who ever is running this shindig has to provide his real world information so that it may be viewed by everyone?

If that's the case, that's stupid. If that isn't what they are talking about, could you put that in Captain Dummy talk please? I'm confused, but that happens a bit too much to me lately.

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Lost Angel

WASH: Psychic, though? That sounds like something out of science fiction.
ZOE: We live in a space ship, dear.
WASH: So?

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Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:33 AM

JASONZZZ

That's exactly it. Tucows and pretty much all of the other domain name registrar (Tucows) require the domain name owner (Haken) to give them real contact info. And then the registrar (Tucows) post that info and make it available in whois.

So, if Haken were to change the contact records and put real contact info in there today. Everyone will be able to see it by teatime.

I can't write Cpt Dummy. So, someone else please check for understanding. This needs to be done pronto as Haken will be forced to put real info into the DB real darn soon if Tucows don't change their minds.

Quote:
Originally posted by lostangel:
Are you saying that who ever is running this shindig has to provide his real world information so that it may be viewed by everyone?

If that's the case, that's stupid. If that isn't what they are talking about, could you put that in Captain Dummy talk please? I'm confused, but that happens a bit too much to me lately.

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Lost Angel

WASH: Psychic, though? That sounds like something out of science fiction.
ZOE: We live in a space ship, dear.
WASH: So?

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Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:37 AM

LOSTANGEL

What kind of info is he talking about? Name, address, phone, email?

If that's the case, he can use mine. I have a po box address that doesn't look like a po box address. The PO box owner doesn't have my current living address.

My telephone never gets picked up if I don't know the phone number, and the email address I give out to everyone is the address that the spammers know. Friends and family who want to talk to me via email have a private email address.

If this would help, let me know.

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Lost Angel

WASH: Psychic, though? That sounds like something out of science fiction.
ZOE: We live in a space ship, dear.
WASH: So?

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Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:47 AM

JASONZZZ

Address, phone, email... yes, yes, yes, and yes. forward them to Haken. The problem is then, the ownership of the domainname will literally goes to you. So, if you and Haken and friendly like - then that's up to Haken. It might be fine as a temporary measure to hold Tucows at bay for now. But Haken should be able to own the domain name without having his info splashed all over the universe.

Quote:
Originally posted by lostangel:
What kind of info is he talking about? Name, address, phone, email?

If that's the case, he can use mine. ....

If this would help, let me know.

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Lost Angel

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Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:55 AM

LOSTANGEL

How do I get in touch with him? I'll try to find him, but here's my email: bigsister9874@yahoo.com

I agree, this whole having to give your information so everyone can see it whenever they want, it would make me feel so dirty!

I'm on it.

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Lost Angel

WASH: Psychic, though? That sounds like something out of science fiction.
ZOE: We live in a space ship, dear.
WASH: So?

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Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:03 PM

JASONZZZ

try haken-at-fireflyfans.net

Quote:
Originally posted by lostangel:
How do I get in touch with him? I'll try to find him, but here's my email:

I agree, this whole having to give your information so everyone can see it whenever they want, it would make me feel so dirty!

I'm on it.

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Lost Angel

WASH: Psychic, though? That sounds like something out of science fiction.
ZOE: We live in a space ship, dear.
WASH: So?

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Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:09 PM

LOSTANGEL

thanks. I just emailed him. let's hope.

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Lost Angel

WASH: Psychic, though? That sounds like something out of science fiction.
ZOE: We live in a space ship, dear.
WASH: So?

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Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:50 PM

JASONZZZ

So looks like the registrar's hands are tied by ICANN to make everything available thru whois. Of course, Verisign is breaking the rules - in this case, good for their customers...

*damned if you do, and damned if you don't*

I guess there is nothing that we can do for right now... Thanks everyone who provided help and tried...

Quote:
Originally posted by lostangel:
thanks. I just emailed him. let's hope.

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Lost Angel

WASH: Psychic, though? That sounds like something out of science fiction.
ZOE: We live in a space ship, dear.
WASH: So?

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Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:52 PM

LOSTANGEL

More captain dummy talk!!!

Does that mean we're still up and running, or does that mean we're getting shut down?

This is my favorite site, and I've made myself quite comfortable here!

Never mind. I went back and read the posts. All is well, remain calm.

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Lost Angel

WASH: Psychic, though? That sounds like something out of science fiction.
ZOE: We live in a space ship, dear.
WASH: So?

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Tuesday, January 21, 2003 1:01 PM

JASONZZZ

As of this writing,

fireflyfans.net is fine.

Paul said that he has the updates and
he will not shutdown the site.

It remains however, that Haken is still
required to provide real contact info.

Quote:
Originally posted by lostangel:
More captain dummy talk!!!

Does that mean we're still up and running, or does that mean we're getting shut down?

This is my favorite site, and I've made myself quite comfortable here!

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Lost Angel

WASH: Psychic, though? That sounds like something out of science fiction.
ZOE: We live in a space ship, dear.
WASH: So?

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Tuesday, January 21, 2003 1:48 PM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.

Boy, and all this happened this morning without my knowledge?

Keep me posted.

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Tuesday, January 21, 2003 2:17 PM

YEAHITSME

wow did you edit your post since I posted!?

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Wednesday, January 22, 2003 3:00 PM

JASONZZZ

Yeah, thought I would put the updates
back into the original post. That way
people don't get too excited about the
whole thing...

Quote:
Originally posted by YeAhItSme:
wow did you edit your post since I posted!?

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Thursday, January 23, 2003 3:25 PM

MAKEN

Wow! Zounds like a big conspiracy here!

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Thursday, January 23, 2003 3:37 PM

SUCCATASH

Why would anyone care about his name? This doesn't seem like a big deal at all, as long as he can keep his domain. This site is very excellent.

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Thursday, January 23, 2003 3:44 PM

MAKEN

I think it's Haken personal info
would include:

his name
his address
his phone number
and anything else that he puts in there...
Isn't that what that ICANN p3.3.1.6 sez?

Besides, having a realname to match up
with an online name is almost as good
as getting all of your personal info.
You can dig up so much more with a realname.

Quote:
Originally posted by Succatash:
Why would anyone care about his name? This doesn't seem like a big deal at all, as long as he can keep his domain. This site is very excellent.

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Friday, January 24, 2003 3:55 PM

JASONZZZ

That's right, right now that's all
being posted on the whois DB.
Including phone number and fax number.
I personally wouldn't care for all
of that posted on that.

What's worst. spammers troll the
whois DB for email addresses.
The dumbest thing that I have ever
seen is getting slew and slew of
spam and then getting the stupid
spam from the spammer telling me
how effective their emailing list
is - would I like to buy into it.

You know what, one day, I think I
will take them up on their offer.
Then find out who these

bastards
are, where they live, and splat
that all over the net.

How you like that?!

Quote:
Originally posted by Maken:
I think it's Haken personal info
would include:

his name
his address
his phone number
and anything else that he puts in there...
Isn't that what that ICANN p3.3.1.6 sez?

Besides, having a realname to match up
with an online name is almost as good
as getting all of your personal info.
You can dig up so much more with a realname.

Quote:
Originally posted by Succatash:
Why would anyone care about his name? This doesn't seem like a big deal at all, as long as he can keep his domain. This site is very excellent.

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Friday, January 24, 2003 4:23 PM

SUCCATASH

All I am saying is that if I had to choose between receiving spam and closing down this site, I would bend over and accept the spam.

This site is worth bending over for. Life's a bitch, and you have to choose your battles. Firefly is worth fighting for, but I wouldn't lose sleep over some email spam. He could use a yahoo email for that matter.

Quote:
Originally posted by Jasonzzz:

That's right, right now that's all
being posted on the whois DB.
Including phone number and fax number.
I personally wouldn't care for all
of that posted on that.

What's worst. spammers troll the
whois DB for email addresses.
The dumbest thing that I have ever
seen is getting slew and slew of
spam and then getting the stupid
spam from the spammer telling me
how effective their emailing list
is - would I like to buy into it.

You know what, one day, I think I
will take them up on their offer.
Then find out who these bastards
are, where they live, and splat
that all over the net.

How you like that?!

Quote:
Originally posted by Maken:
I think it's Haken personal info
would include:

his name
his address
his phone number
and anything else that he puts in there...
Isn't that what that ICANN p3.3.1.6 sez?

Besides, having a realname to match up
with an online name is almost as good
as getting all of your personal info.
You can dig up so much more with a realname.

Quote:
Originally posted by Succatash:
Why would anyone care about his name? This doesn't seem like a big deal at all, as long as he can keep his domain. This site is very excellent.

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Saturday, January 25, 2003 8:30 PM

JASONZZZ

So let's re-elaborate. It's not just the email addr that folks are worried about. It's also their home addr, home phone number - it's pretty much everything that a crazy would need to come to your house and shoot up the place - or some well placed daily harassment phone calls.

I think you would feel very different if some crazies get ahold of your fleshspace identity. I for one would not like it very much if people I don't know (i.e. every crazy out there with
a computer) gets ahold of my *home* address and *home* phone number where *my family* and I reside. No thanks, spam I can filter and deal with; that's what the delete key is for.

(I don't know how much spam you get, but I am up to my armpits in them daily even before I wake up - filters are not perfect, and I still end up
having to go thru them to make sure legitimate stuff is still being read)

I think that's the point, that *all* of your personal info gets laundered out onto the world -
not just your email. If it's just me fine, I welcome a few intruders for target practice; but I've got family to worry about.

Quote:
Originally posted by Succatash:
All I am saying is that if I had to choose between receiving spam and closing down this site, I would bend over and accept the spam.

This site is worth bending over for. Life's a bitch, and you have to choose your battles. Firefly is worth fighting for, but I wouldn't lose sleep over some email spam. He could use a yahoo email for that matter.

Quote:
Originally posted by Jasonzzz:

That's right, right now that's all
being posted on the whois DB.
Including phone number and fax number.
I personally wouldn't care for all
of that posted on that.

What's worst. spammers troll the
whois DB for email addresses.
The dumbest thing that I have ever
seen is getting slew and slew of
spam and then getting the stupid
spam from the spammer telling me
how effective their emailing list
is - would I like to buy into it.

You know what, one day, I think I
will take them up on their offer.
Then find out who these bastards
are, where they live, and splat
that all over the net.

How you like that?!

Quote:
Originally posted by Maken:
I think it's Haken personal info
would include:

his name
his address
his phone number
and anything else that he puts in there...
Isn't that what that ICANN p3.3.1.6 sez?

Besides, having a realname to match up
with an online name is almost as good
as getting all of your personal info.
You can dig up so much more with a realname.

Quote:
Originally posted by Succatash:
Why would anyone care about his name? This doesn't seem like a big deal at all, as long as he can keep his domain. This site is very excellent.

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