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Can we legally form a church?

POSTED BY: HIXIE129
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Sunday, February 26, 2006 6:52 PM

KAYNA

I love my captain


You know followmal, I really think the characters should be saints.
That way they can have thier own holidays and some saints even have thier own riligiouse sects. That way you and me and all the rest of us Mal freaks could worship him and have festivals and atribute miracles to him an such.
To fill the gaps in the Apostles we could use writers, and crew, and producers, and such. Definately Tim Minear should be one.

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Sunday, February 26, 2006 6:59 PM

FOLLOWMAL


Ooo, Kayna, I like the way you think.

Nathan festivals! Yep, I am so there!

" You hold. Hold til I get back." Mal

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Sunday, February 26, 2006 7:04 PM

HIXIE129


Kayna, the Apostles are the Saints too, they have holidays and under #11 of Apostles I am thinking of having sects, for all of the Apostles. And you can worship any character in any way you want and any festival or feast day.

Church Holidays:
1) Joss birthday
2) Apostles birthdays
3) The first day firefly appeared on TV
4) Death of firefly (last day it appeared on FOX)
5) Day the movie first appeared in Theaters (different day for each part of the globe where movie opened.)
6) ?

Head of the Church: Joss Whedon
Apostles:
1) Mal
2) Zoë
3) Wash
4) Book
5) Inara
6) Jayne
7) Kaylee
8) Simon (hey, this really works!)
9) River
10) Serenity
11) River's feet (this is one of my favorite Apostles. I could worship her feet all day long.) We might even form a monastic sect where day and night her feet are worshipped.
12) ?



Next Joss took the cup, and when He had given thanks He gave it to us saying, "Drink of it, all of you; for this is Mudders Milk and its 15% alcohol. So we now do this in remembrance of Firefly.

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Sunday, February 26, 2006 7:11 PM

SAMEERTIA


Yea, though I walk through the shadow of the Valley of Serenity, I shall fear no Alliance. My Captain and his gun, they comfort me.

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Sunday, February 26, 2006 7:16 PM

HIXIE129


good! we need Proverbs!

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Sunday, February 26, 2006 7:32 PM

KAYNA

I love my captain


Quote:

Yea, though I walk through the shadow of the Valley of Serenity, I shall fear no Alliance. My Captain and his gun, they comfort me.


That is so perfect!

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Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:48 PM

BELOWZERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Hixie129:
Maybe we can take some version of FINN MAC CUMAHL's Book of Joss to preface the first episode.

MER couldn't we make Buffy and Angel the Arch Angels?

GRIZWALD no split on creed here, doesn't matter, can be dipped, dunked or drenched. We're very liberal.

ARTCAT81, lets make it a religion then.

DAVESHAYNE that’s pretty good. Does the church need only one ordained minister of an already recognized church in order to start another church? I don't like knowing that the IRS will be looking at us.

Maybe we can keep thinking about the Book of Joss and get back to application.





Hey, you have a future lawyer as a convert here, how about *I* worry about incorporating us and keeping the IRS happy?

I LIKE it. Heck if Scientology is for real....*shrug*

But I dunno how the cast is gonna like being referred to as "the Elder Gods."
Can I worship Mal/Nathan?

"Do not go gentle into that good night....
Rage, rage against the dying of the light. . ."
--Dylan Thomas

Though my soul may set in darkness
It will rise in perfect light.
I have loved the stars too fondly
To be fearful of the night.


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Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:49 PM

BELOWZERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Hixie129:
I ripped apart the Nicene Creed. I am really bad at writing but we need a start of a prayer. I really don't care what the pray contains. So here is the start of a prayer.

Whedon Creed

We believe in Whedon the Father of good writing, Maker of Serenity and Firefly, and of all TV shows that were great and are to come. He spoke thru the Apostles (characters). The Whedon suffered under FOX and was canceled by them, and in two years he rose again according to his promise. He will come again in glory to judge the Networks and his Whedondom will have no end.

And we believe in the Spirit of the Browncoats, who proceedeth from the Whedon and being of one substance with the Whedon. And we believe in one holy Whedonistic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one Mudders baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for the resurrection of Firefly, and the life of the world to come. Amen.



SHould be "life of the 'verse to come"
*giggle*
I hope we aren't going straight to Special Hell for this. If we are, I'll look you up, I promise/.

"Do not go gentle into that good night....
Rage, rage against the dying of the light. . ."
--Dylan Thomas

Though my soul may set in darkness
It will rise in perfect light.
I have loved the stars too fondly
To be fearful of the night.


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Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:54 PM

BELOWZERO


Quote:

Originally posted by singate:
Just a slight addition, those who are immersed must drink their way out ala Peter Griffin.

_________________________________________________

We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.



And what is this only 15% alcohol stuff???? Come ON people, make it at least 80 proof! *grin*

"Do not go gentle into that good night....
Rage, rage against the dying of the light. . ."
--Dylan Thomas

Though my soul may set in darkness
It will rise in perfect light.
I have loved the stars too fondly
To be fearful of the night.


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Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:56 PM

BELOWZERO


Quote:

Originally posted by FollowMal:

Can our pilgrmage be to gather around the Cap'n once a year in Cali and worship him.... please...


" You hold. Hold til I get back." Mal



Yes, and we can dance around him with ribbons, you know like the old Maypole thing....

"Do not go gentle into that good night....
Rage, rage against the dying of the light. . ."
--Dylan Thomas

Though my soul may set in darkness
It will rise in perfect light.
I have loved the stars too fondly
To be fearful of the night.


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Sunday, February 26, 2006 10:52 PM

ALEN


good this post stays here and no tv exec hears about it :/
Dear Joss, bring back FF, fans are getting restless
Cool as a joke, tho

if life were a Lucasarts adventure:
Use CHAINSAW on BOSS. PULL CORPSE. OPEN WASTE DISPOSAL UNIT. USE CORPSE on UNIT. CLOSE DOOR.
USE LIGHTER on CIGARE

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Sunday, February 26, 2006 11:24 PM

FOLLOWMAL


Quote:

Originally posted by BelowZero:
I hope we aren't going straight to Special Hell for this. If we are, I'll look you up, I promise/.



I promise to look you up BZ. And the maypole idea.... yea, anything for our Cap'n.

" You hold. Hold til I get back." Mal

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Monday, February 27, 2006 1:52 AM

MSCKAREN


Quote:

Originally posted by Arcadia:
Quote:

Originally posted by Hixie129:
I think that the branch could be 12, but what about Saffron as #12, She is really hot.



...

Also, Saffron is sort of psycotic/evil, and never lived aboard Serenity. Of course, neither was the branch (except in River's mind...)



Well the original 12th apostle WAS Judas so I kinda think Saffron would be a good candidate.

Since I'm UnUv (Unitarian Universalist) according to my old dog tags, I can totally fit this into my theology!

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Monday, February 27, 2006 2:27 AM

GRIZWALD


This whole thread is hi-larious! I love the Ten Commandments, except that of course the "First Rule of Flying" ought also to be the first commandment, right?

I had a friend who started a church once, the Church of Jeff. Same sort of thing, only most of the "beliefs" were either sex or alcohol related. It was a very small but (unfortunately) rather active church.

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Monday, February 27, 2006 4:10 AM

SERENITYSLITTLEANGEL


Loving the ideas, everyone!!!! Especially the 10 commandments - but I agree with Grizwald - the first rule of flying should be at the top.


Any dates on the pilgrimage to Nathan? I'll keep the diary free.



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Monday, February 27, 2006 4:54 AM

MER


Quote:

Originally posted by Hixie129:

MER couldn't we make Buffy and Angel the Arch Angels?



Oh my god...I never thought of that...hmm Spike, would be a good one too...it's tempting to also put the scooby gang in it as well as the angel crew, but isn't there so many Arch Angels to fill in one spot?

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Monday, February 27, 2006 6:32 AM

CANUNDRUM69


Actually........yes we can

Jesus Saves! .... and only take Half Damage!

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Monday, February 27, 2006 7:16 AM

HIXIE129


We need several Hymns…. I used my favorite .. Whenever I hear this song, I cry like a baby.


Amazing Joss

"Amazing Joss, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me....
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now, I see.

T'was Joss that taught...
my heart to fear.
And Joss, my fears relieved.
How precious did that (Show) appear...
the hour I first believed."

Through many dangers, toils and snares...
we have already come.
T'was Joss that brought us safe thus far...
and Grace will lead us home.

Whedon has promised good to me...
His word my hope secures.
He will my shield and portion be...
as long as life endures.

When we've been here 500 years...
bright shining as the sun.
We've no less days to sing Serenity's praise...
then when we've first begun.

"Amazing Joss, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me....
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now, I see. (end)




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Monday, February 27, 2006 8:22 AM

HIXIE129


MscKaren, I also think Saffron would be a good candidate for the 12th apostle..

Believe in the Spirit of the Browncoats, who proceedeth from the Whedon and being of one substance with the Whedon.


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Monday, February 27, 2006 8:33 AM

HAZE


Is it odd that having read this tread I now want to write the Whedonist Bible?

I can say Joss dictated it to me while I was in a trance.


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Who do you suppose is in there?

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Monday, February 27, 2006 8:42 AM

HIXIE129


Grizwald, I agree too, First Rule of Flying" ought also to be the first commandment. {edit}


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Monday, February 27, 2006 8:46 AM

ANDERSON12


FUCK NO


What a bunch of bull. Even now, there won't be a sequel, not a chance. The only people who saw this movie were the fans + change, and that's not enough. I've heard the stories, all the damn stories about how people walked into a movie theater and saw 50 people who, they say, are first timers, and really enjoyed the movie. How the hell do they know what other people are thinking... 50 people especially. But look at the numbers: $24 Million, and not even $40 Million worldwide. And they say there will be a sequel, or a tv series, or whatever the hell people think is able to be produced after a movie just bombed at the box office. Look at "Saw II", "Saw II" cost $4 Million to make and has already grossed $30 Million in the US alone. Now that's what it takes to get a sequel going, a strong opening. Not some sad $10 Million in the first weekend. And they say, well compared to the per-theater gross, it did rather well, but not really, not at all. "Serenity" earned about $4160 per screen, and all that after "lots" of attention, or somewhat too little I say. And compared to the first "Saw" movie with little favor prior to the film ended up grossing over $18 Million in its first weekend alone, with $7895 per screen, at a production budget of $1,200,000 (that's right $1.2 Million). And I got my info from the-numbers.com so I ain't making this stuff up.

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Monday, February 27, 2006 8:46 AM

ANDERSON12


FUCK NO


What a bunch of bull. Even now, there won't be a sequel, not a chance. The only people who saw this movie were the fans + change, and that's not enough. I've heard the stories, all the damn stories about how people walked into a movie theater and saw 50 people who, they say, are first timers, and really enjoyed the movie. How the hell do they know what other people are thinking... 50 people especially. But look at the numbers: $24 Million, and not even $40 Million worldwide. And they say there will be a sequel, or a tv series, or whatever the hell people think is able to be produced after a movie just bombed at the box office. Look at "Saw II", "Saw II" cost $4 Million to make and has already grossed $30 Million in the US alone. Now that's what it takes to get a sequel going, a strong opening. Not some sad $10 Million in the first weekend. And they say, well compared to the per-theater gross, it did rather well, but not really, not at all. "Serenity" earned about $4160 per screen, and all that after "lots" of attention, or somewhat too little I say. And compared to the first "Saw" movie with little favor prior to the film ended up grossing over $18 Million in its first weekend alone, with $7895 per screen, at a production budget of $1,200,000 (that's right $1.2 Million). And I got my info from the-numbers.com so I ain't making this stuff up.

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Monday, February 27, 2006 8:46 AM

ANDERSON12


FUCK NO


What a bunch of bull. Even now, there won't be a sequel, not a chance. The only people who saw this movie were the fans + change, and that's not enough. I've heard the stories, all the damn stories about how people walked into a movie theater and saw 50 people who, they say, are first timers, and really enjoyed the movie. How the hell do they know what other people are thinking... 50 people especially. But look at the numbers: $24 Million, and not even $40 Million worldwide. And they say there will be a sequel, or a tv series, or whatever the hell people think is able to be produced after a movie just bombed at the box office. Look at "Saw II", "Saw II" cost $4 Million to make and has already grossed $30 Million in the US alone. Now that's what it takes to get a sequel going, a strong opening. Not some sad $10 Million in the first weekend. And they say, well compared to the per-theater gross, it did rather well, but not really, not at all. "Serenity" earned about $4160 per screen, and all that after "lots" of attention, or somewhat too little I say. And compared to the first "Saw" movie with little favor prior to the film ended up grossing over $18 Million in its first weekend alone, with $7895 per screen, at a production budget of $1,200,000 (that's right $1.2 Million). And I got my info from the-numbers.com so I ain't making this stuff up.

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Monday, February 27, 2006 8:46 AM

ANDERSON12


FUCK NO


What a bunch of bull. Even now, there won't be a sequel, not a chance. The only people who saw this movie were the fans + change, and that's not enough. I've heard the stories, all the damn stories about how people walked into a movie theater and saw 50 people who, they say, are first timers, and really enjoyed the movie. How the hell do they know what other people are thinking... 50 people especially. But look at the numbers: $24 Million, and not even $40 Million worldwide. And they say there will be a sequel, or a tv series, or whatever the hell people think is able to be produced after a movie just bombed at the box office. Look at "Saw II", "Saw II" cost $4 Million to make and has already grossed $30 Million in the US alone. Now that's what it takes to get a sequel going, a strong opening. Not some sad $10 Million in the first weekend. And they say, well compared to the per-theater gross, it did rather well, but not really, not at all. "Serenity" earned about $4160 per screen, and all that after "lots" of attention, or somewhat too little I say. And compared to the first "Saw" movie with little favor prior to the film ended up grossing over $18 Million in its first weekend alone, with $7895 per screen, at a production budget of $1,200,000 (that's right $1.2 Million). And I got my info from the-numbers.com so I ain't making this stuff up.

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Monday, February 27, 2006 8:46 AM

ANDERSON12


FUCK NO


What a bunch of bull. Even now, there won't be a sequel, not a chance. The only people who saw this movie were the fans + change, and that's not enough. I've heard the stories, all the damn stories about how people walked into a movie theater and saw 50 people who, they say, are first timers, and really enjoyed the movie. How the hell do they know what other people are thinking... 50 people especially. But look at the numbers: $24 Million, and not even $40 Million worldwide. And they say there will be a sequel, or a tv series, or whatever the hell people think is able to be produced after a movie just bombed at the box office. Look at "Saw II", "Saw II" cost $4 Million to make and has already grossed $30 Million in the US alone. Now that's what it takes to get a sequel going, a strong opening. Not some sad $10 Million in the first weekend. And they say, well compared to the per-theater gross, it did rather well, but not really, not at all. "Serenity" earned about $4160 per screen, and all that after "lots" of attention, or somewhat too little I say. And compared to the first "Saw" movie with little favor prior to the film ended up grossing over $18 Million in its first weekend alone, with $7895 per screen, at a production budget of $1,200,000 (that's right $1.2 Million). And I got my info from the-numbers.com so I ain't making this stuff up.

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Monday, February 27, 2006 8:46 AM

ANDERSON12


FUCK NO


What a bunch of bull. Even now, there won't be a sequel, not a chance. The only people who saw this movie were the fans + change, and that's not enough. I've heard the stories, all the damn stories about how people walked into a movie theater and saw 50 people who, they say, are first timers, and really enjoyed the movie. How the hell do they know what other people are thinking... 50 people especially. But look at the numbers: $24 Million, and not even $40 Million worldwide. And they say there will be a sequel, or a tv series, or whatever the hell people think is able to be produced after a movie just bombed at the box office. Look at "Saw II", "Saw II" cost $4 Million to make and has already grossed $30 Million in the US alone. Now that's what it takes to get a sequel going, a strong opening. Not some sad $10 Million in the first weekend. And they say, well compared to the per-theater gross, it did rather well, but not really, not at all. "Serenity" earned about $4160 per screen, and all that after "lots" of attention, or somewhat too little I say. And compared to the first "Saw" movie with little favor prior to the film ended up grossing over $18 Million in its first weekend alone, with $7895 per screen, at a production budget of $1,200,000 (that's right $1.2 Million). And I got my info from the-numbers.com so I ain't making this stuff up.

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Monday, February 27, 2006 8:56 AM

HIXIE129


It's a matter of belief, "believe in something"

Believe in the Spirit of the Browncoats, who proceedeth from the Whedon and being of one substance with the Whedon.


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Monday, February 27, 2006 9:13 AM

BENDAS


We could use the church of firefly to make money for a next series or even a second film

You’ll all love this

http://www.strangefinger.com/Firefly-Prayer.mp3

I'm jayne for world bookday

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Monday, February 27, 2006 9:22 AM

MATTCOZ


Worked for the Jedi.

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Monday, February 27, 2006 9:27 AM

HIXIE129


We had already discussed using the church to make money for the next series.

I really don't want to get into any fund raising. I played the link, it sounded too dreary. (thats what I think) but I all go along with the majority. I think everybody should be happy and excited,, I do think we should have prayers maybe we can make a little better recording.

I think the service should be more "Rocky Mountain horror" At midnight.. Everyone in the theater would sing along and lite their lighters... (Well thats just my thought)


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Monday, February 27, 2006 12:19 PM

KAYNA

I love my captain


Quote:

Originally posted by BelowZero:
Quote:

Originally posted by FollowMal:

Can our pilgrmage be to gather around the Cap'n once a year in Cali and worship him.... please...


" You hold. Hold til I get back." Mal



Yes, and we can dance around him with ribbons, you know like the old Maypole thing....



Yay, Maypole Mal!
I'm in.

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Monday, February 27, 2006 8:11 PM

SCORPIONREGENT


I know that a surprising number of young servicemen and women have Jedi listed as their religion on their dogtags. So if they can do that then we could do this. However I all ready have my own religion and I just need followers so I will have to excuse myself do to a conflict of interest.

Scorpion Regent

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Monday, February 27, 2006 9:30 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Anderson(is)12: So you're saying "No", then? I'm not sure I understood your meaning, but I took it to be "not so much with the religion" or something like that. Something that kinda sounded like a "No". Thanks for playing, anyway.



Now, as to incorporating, tax-exempt status, et al, I don't see a problem there. Let's face it: according to Fox and Universal, neither the show nor the movie really made any money, so we're ALREADY a non-profit group!

And you ladies should stop with all the talk of Mal's maypole and such. Might make a feller feel left out.

A Firefly/Whedonite religion? Hell, crazier things have happened. Just look at [insert your own religious cult name here], for instance. But I might be in, not having any other religion cluttering up my brain and all. Long as I don't have to grovel, bow, and scrape. Or anoint Joss's feet with oil. Summer's, definitely, but not Joss's.

Mike

I'm a dyslexic, agnostic amnesiac. I lay awake all night wondering if there's a Dog.

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Monday, February 27, 2006 10:03 PM

CANUNDRUM69


Let me say, as a Legally Ordained Rverend, it is possible to do so if you feel strongly enough about this.
I might suggest though something not as encompassing, may "The Church of Serenity"
Observe teh Holidays based on Serenity and Firefly.
I would think that Malcolm Reynolds being the Main Character should hold the
place of greatest Reverence, espcially with such commandments as "Hold, Until I get back"

You would then need to scribe a Gospel according to each of the crewmembers of Serenity


It actually isn't a bad idea....
If something is truly good and you believe strongly enough and are willing to
go the distance with it and not just joke about it, you an have a good religion there

There may well be a supreme message in the things Mal and his crew say and do
We cannot know all the ways that God chooses to make our lives worthwhile

Someone posted about people Claiming their relgion ot be Jedi on a voter registration
Teh Jedi Religion is not very far removed for most mainstream religions in concept.

This would do as well, who really cares if you call it Congregating or a Shindig?
All in all Mal is a verty honorable man and has a lot to teach as do his followers.
Let us not worship a single person like Joss
But lets then perhaps worship an ideal......I belive Serenity is in fact an Ideal


Personally, I wouldn't Balk at wearing a Browncoat as Vestments.....


Love thy neighbor, just don't get caught

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Monday, February 27, 2006 10:14 PM

MELAM


Recorded myself singing Amazing Joss. It's a bit scratchy because I just got over a cold, and I decided to make it sound good and folksy.

It's only avaliable for a limited amount of downloads though because I don't have my own server.

http://s14.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=19EH39YZP1M4Q1JM0DDBFW18JY











"Putting the Me in Mercinary, Jayne Cobb."

"Joss, what is the future of television? What will we watch? And how will we watch it? Surely you must know, for you are wise, and slender."

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Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:20 AM

HIXIE129


Melam, that was absolutely beautiful! I had tears of joy in my eyes when I heard you sing. We'll play it at every service..

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Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:43 AM

HIXIE129


Canundrum69, I was thinking that the script from each episode would be a Gospel.
More like… The Good News According to Shindig, The Good News According to Train Job, The Good News According to Safe. Etc.

Joss and all the characters are to be worshipped, the characters bring the message created by Joss.
Joss creator, Characters=Apostles=Saints.

Each Saint has it's own characteristics, the people can and do interpret it in different ways.
Mal might equal strength
Kaylee = Love
River's feet = Well, some people have fetishes. (They are cute)



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Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:49 AM

MATTCOZ


Quote:

Originally posted by ScorpionRegent:
I know that a surprising number of young servicemen and women have Jedi listed as their religion on their dogtags.


It's an official option on the UK census too.

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Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:55 AM

HIXIE129


Kwicko, that was really funny when you said, "neither the show nor the movie really made any money, so we're ALREADY a non-profit group!"

If this gets going I would like to form a monastic sect where day and night River's feet are worshipped. Also I think everyone should be able to worship any way they want, and the girls should have their maypole.


Next Joss took the cup, and when He had given thanks He gave it to us saying, "Drink of it, all of you; for this is Mudders Milk and its 15% alcohol. So we now do this in remembrance of Firefly.


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Tuesday, February 28, 2006 12:07 PM

DRUIDESS


Quote:

Originally posted by Kayna:
You know followmal, I really think the characters should be saints.
That way they can have thier own holidays and some saints even have thier own riligiouse sects. That way you and me and all the rest of us Mal freaks could worship him and have festivals and atribute miracles to him an such.
To fill the gaps in the Apostles we could use writers, and crew, and producers, and such. Definately Tim Minear should be one.



I think the characters should be apostles. I see Mal as the messiah character coz we're to hold til he gets back. That makes his followers, or crew, apostles, with Tracy taking the place of Judas for me as he was a follower of Mal and Saffron was not. Joss would be the father of Mal.

HIXIE129, I think the gospels from each apostle would be different from scripts as each character has such a unique view of the verse and relationship to Mal.

I agree with CANUNDRUM69 that there could be a lot to learn as it's already brought together some very different people in a warm fuzzy kinda way. And I also think it would be a great story/parabel (sp?) and a hoot and a half.

I would join the Church of Serentiy in a heart beat. And I would love to write the gospel of River (having been a loon myself, I feel especially qualified:))



"The world's divided into two groups, panda's and alligator boys."

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Tuesday, February 28, 2006 1:29 PM

AYATOLLAHKHOMEINI


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Ayatollah Khomeini says:

"How can you start a church based off of a TV show that was cancelled in its first season?"

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Tuesday, February 28, 2006 3:20 PM

HIXIE129


Hi, druidess,

I don't care; I want what the majority wants. (I just needed to say that one more time.) That was not directed to you.

Me personally, I look at it a little differently, I don't see Mal as the Messiah, Joss is the Messiah (God). He(Joss) has created the verse and everything in it. Mal and the characters are a way of bringing Joss's Word (The script) to us... That’s why the(characters) are the Apostles.

And using the scripts as Gospels eliminates some potential (technical problems.) Also everyone knows each and every word of every episode. So it's very easy to say "The next reading is from the Gospel According to the Shindig Episode, Scene one." And lastly Joss said that the ship Serenity was the 10th character and that River's feet was the 11th. Well although I would very much like to write about her feet, (very cute) it would be a little cumbersome. And lastly, lastly most of the Apostles in real life did not write the Gospels either. These are just my own thoughts.



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Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:33 PM

HIXIE129


BelowZero, at least it won't be that special hell, and I made the change to the creed.




Next Joss took the cup, and when He had given thanks He gave it to us saying, "Drink of it, all of you; for this is Mudders Milk and its 15% alcohol. So we now do this in remembrance of Firefly.

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Tuesday, February 28, 2006 5:51 PM

DRUIDESS


Quote:

Originally posted by Hixie129:
Hi, druidess,

I don't care; I want what the majority wants. (I just needed to say that one more time.) That was not directed to you.

Me personally, I look at it a little differently, I don't see Mal as the Messiah, Joss is the Messiah (God). He(Joss) has created the verse and everything in it. Mal and the characters are a way of bringing Joss's Word (The script) to us... That’s why the(characters) are the Apostles.

And using the scripts as Gospels eliminates some potential (technical problems.) Also everyone knows each and every word of every episode. So it's very easy to say "The next reading is from the Gospel According to the Shindig Episode, Scene one." And lastly Joss said that the ship Serenity was the 10th character and that River's feet was the 11th. Well although I would very much like to write about her feet, (very cute) it would be a little cumbersome. And lastly, lastly most of the Apostles in real life did not write the Gospels either. These are just my own thoughts.





Mommy, what is "sects"?

Well, little Billy, sects is when two people have the same fundamental belief but view the details differently, so they either start a holy war with thousands to millions of people killing thousands to millions of other people in a state of orgasmic religious extacy, or, they agree one will have bingo and the other won't.

Or maybe it's when two people are drunk and one has handcuffs.

Nonono, it's the belief thing.

Yes, Rodney, we can all get along.





"The world's divided into two groups, panda's and alligator boys."

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Tuesday, February 28, 2006 6:22 PM

BELOWZERO


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Originally posted by Hixie129:

If this gets going I would like to form a monastic sect where day and night River's feet are worshipped. Also I think everyone should be able to worship any way they want, and the girls should have their maypole.




Yes! if you can worship River's feet then no more about us and Mal's maypole gorramit!
(this is all hilarious)

Way to go, Irreverend Hixie!

"Do not go gentle into that good night....
Rage, rage against the dying of the light. . ."
--Dylan Thomas

Though my soul may set in darkness
It will rise in perfect light.
I have loved the stars too fondly
To be fearful of the night.


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Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:56 PM

MELAM


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Originally posted by Hixie129:
Melam, that was absolutely beautiful! I had tears of joy in my eyes when I heard you sing. We'll play it at every service..



Awww, shucks and all thanks. Just looking to help spread the word of the Joss.

"Putting the Me in Mercinary, Jayne Cobb."

"Joss, what is the future of television? What will we watch? And how will we watch it? Surely you must know, for you are wise, and slender."

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Tuesday, February 28, 2006 9:55 PM

FRANKIE


I'm not sure if I'm real comfy with calling Joss "God."

I'm not interested in worshiping mortal people (they always let you down). And the real thing we're here for is Firefly, not Joss (although he is totally awesome, and we love him).

I think he'd have to be less of a God figure, and more of a Prophet. I mean... if you look at what he does, technically, he's more of a prophet. Also, I agree with the notion that the other writers and directors should be the apostles. Tim Minear should definately get some credit.

I like the idea of the characters being Saints, since that means we can have little candles to them, and pick our favorites, and etc.

I don't think that Saffron should get to be an apostle or saint or whatsits, since she's not technically a part of the ensemble, she's a guest start. I mean... she definately deserves some mention... just probably not on the level with the main ensemble.

And if we're giving guest stars mention, I think Nandi should get credit as a Martyr.

And objects such as River's Branch, Zoe's Gun, Wash's Dinosaurs, Veera, and so on, should be Holy Relics or some such like that.



The problem with having scriptures written by fans is that not every one can agree on that. If we take stuff directly from show, if it's all Canon material, I think that'll be the best way to keep everyone happy. Plus, it would be pretty cool to have a spiffy little book of all the scripts.

Of course, we can write prayers, proverbs, hymns, etc., because those are generally written by followers and you don't have to like them all because they're not technically considered docterine (at least not as far as I know).



But baptism in mudder's milk? Ew. I always picture mudder's milk being chunky... How about we're baptised in... i dunno... anything else.

Maybe Sake.

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this is the captain. we have a little problem with our entry sequence, so we may experience some slight turbulence and then... explode.

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Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:29 PM

BROWNCOATGHOST


Should I be disturbed, ashamed, incredulous or dying of laughter that this was the very first thread this late volunteer to the Browncoats has read here? Perhaps a combination of all the above? I know the last certainly applies.

In any case, I seem to have found my unit at last. And Cap'n Tightpants has a plow, not a maypole, gorram it -- though I suppose it could be turned into a maypole if it were b --

*cough* Sorry, can't continue. My voice seems to be frightening the cattle. Maybe if I droned...

'And when the brightness of the 'verse was shut away in the oblivion of the hungry fox spirit, lo, did one and a thousandscore Browncoats raise their voices in keening grief and outrage. "Thou hast forsaken us!" cried they. "Nay, I have forgotten thee not," intoned The Whedon from yonder golden hills in the Valley of Serenity, "for this 'verse was created of mine very heart and blood and soul, and yea, its loss too pains me. Thus shall I toil ceaselessly until it is restored and one and all may once again partake of its shininess." In harmonious unison did the Browncoats cry their relief, but yet again spake The Whedon, "Alas, the wounds to mine heart and blood and soul have been grievous and many, and thus shall I require of thine aid. Go forth and speak of Serenity and her nine shiny souls that those beyond shall awaken the Browncoats within them, for yea, a true Browncoat well knows when injustice has been done to one and all, and none will stand to allow one's fellow Browncoats to twist in the wind thus. So shall each Browncoat rally to our shindig, until the noise we make is so great that oblivion shall be rendered asunder and the hungry fox spirit cannot help but return the 'verse which is rightfully ours. Fear not the long nights filled with Reavers ahead, my devoted, for although it take uncounted sunsets, no one can take the sky from us." Thus did The Whedon's Browncoats set forth and speak of Serenity and her nine shiny souls, and thus do the armies of Independence grow. Yea, with the steadfastness of fireflies burning in their hearts and true serenity glowing in their eyes do they yet march forth, until such a sunset as This Land is returned them as is just and proper. And none who send of the signal hath The Whedon ever forgotten.'

*peers about* Good, looks like the cattle's gone to sleep. Then again, maybe I need sleep more, seeing as I had only three hours last night and can only blame this post on too many strawberries.

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Wednesday, March 1, 2006 4:32 AM

HIXIE129


Quote:

Originally posted by frankie:
I'm not sure if I'm real comfy with calling Joss "God."

I'm not interested in worshiping mortal people (they always let you down). And the real thing we're here for is Firefly, not Joss (although he is totally awesome, and we love him).

I think he'd have to be less of a God figure, and more of a Prophet. I mean... if you look at what he does, technically, he's more of a prophet. Also, I agree with the notion that the other writers and directors should be the apostles. Tim Minear should definately get some credit.

I like the idea of the characters being Saints, since that means we can have little candles to them, and pick our favorites, and etc.

I don't think that Saffron should get to be an apostle or saint or whatsits, since she's not technically a part of the ensemble, she's a guest start. I mean... she definately deserves some mention... just probably not on the level with the main ensemble.

And if we're giving guest stars mention, I think Nandi should get credit as a Martyr.

And objects such as River's Branch, Zoe's Gun, Wash's Dinosaurs, Veera, and so on, should be Holy Relics or some such like that.



The problem with having scriptures written by fans is that not every one can agree on that. If we take stuff directly from show, if it's all Canon material, I think that'll be the best way to keep everyone happy. Plus, it would be pretty cool to have a spiffy little book of all the scripts.

Of course, we can write prayers, proverbs, hymns, etc., because those are generally written by followers and you don't have to like them all because they're not technically considered docterine (at least not as far as I know).



But baptism in mudder's milk? Ew. I always picture mudder's milk being chunky... How about we're baptised in... i dunno... anything else.

Maybe Sake.

_______________________________________

this is the captain. we have a little problem with our entry sequence, so we may experience some slight turbulence and then... explode.




Hi Frankie,
I think that God can be of many essences, God of Creation, God of Love, God of truth, God of Redemption, God of healing and so on. Joss is Creator of Firefly/Serenity so maybe God of Story Telling? As for prophet, Jesus was God and a prophet too. So it still works.

I don't like that there should be more than 12 Apostles, anyone else can be Saints, or Bishops or something like. If more than 12 Apostles than the Bible would be broken, and we can't have that…

On Saffron, I think Saffron should be an Apostle. She was the best guest Character, she was really hot! She does fit the role of Judas the betrayer, and lastly she is still (technically) married to Mal, so she is a Mrs. Apostle.


Good point of Nandi, she definitely needs to classified as a Martyr

I do think the different objects like the gun, dinosaurs, etc should be holy relics…

Do you think we can have the branch as an Archangel? Because Arcadia has mention to me a couple of times about the branch (still trying to figure this one out) and in fact Arcadia said, "Never underestimate my love for that gorram branch, lol. It will always be in my heart. If it can't be an apostle, than maybe an archangel?"

It really sounds to me that there is some real connection between her and the branch (which is really a gun) but who am I to judge, I got this thing for River's feet, Arcadia is a tree isn't it. Maybe that's the connection..

And we definitely need more prayers, we need at min, a prayer to each apostle, Archangel, and so on.






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