Series Two Thoughts? morethan likely to include a vast number of spoilers - You Have Been Warned

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Friday, March 17, 2006 7:02 AM


Send in... the clones.

Realistic is one thing Fitz. Limited cloning right now and 500 years to develop it is another. It's a viable option, I just didn't take to the way it was executed. Sorry script-guy.

I would entirely be up for one emotional, happy-yet-sad Wash flashback episode though.

They could call it 'Coming to Terms'.

Or 'Issues'.

Or 'Melodrama'.

Men of Honour - No...No it's not...


Friday, March 17, 2006 7:54 AM


One problem with the cloning thing is that the Alliance, if they registered him in a cloning program would most likely still want to keep him around. The Alliance would also give him funny looks every time they pulled Mal and crew over or at least say he looks famaliar. I think Book would more likely be a clone than Wash. Only thing I can guess would be that our beloved Wash that died would have been a clone that wasn't perfected yet.

The Bible's a bit fuzzy on the subject of kneecaps.


Friday, March 17, 2006 10:45 AM


However, these plotline revelations will make Zoe's head pop. And no one wants that.

Can we go back to Jayne and Hoban Junior in a hammock now?

Men of Honour - No...No it's not...


Friday, March 17, 2006 11:07 AM


ooo i agree. i don't think zoe could marry mal. not after wash died. i think that would be too much. but yeah. i agree that zoe's pregnant.


Friday, March 17, 2006 2:23 PM


as i said these where just some thoughts, that i thought up inthe space of about 5 mins while bored at work so no worrys :)


Friday, March 17, 2006 2:26 PM


I figured I'd add my two cents in. First off I think the next character who would be perfect to die is Simon. He and Kaylee are FAR too happy for Joss, and Simon is just too content with his life right now, his sister is doing well he's in a heathly relationship...I think its time for him to start watchin his back for Joss with an axe. The death of Simon would send Kaylee's character into a deeper development by showing how she actually deals with loss and grief. Jayne would (due to the guilt on ariel) take River (who is now the new pilot) under his wing. Cloning and zombification and the like...I don't think that's gonna happen, far too hokey. I do however think that Zoe is in fact pregnant with Wash's baby. Just because he killed Wash off in the movie doesn't mean that if the series had continued he would have survived, perhaps Wash was on his way out to begin with. I do see many flashbacks with him though. Inara and Mal as someone had said earlier would do the "mulder/scully" thing but it wouldn't end up working out. The public's reaction to the Miranda video feed may or may not incite a war that I'm really unsure of. They could pull "its a hoax" thing and that may in fact quell the people. After all people believe what they want to hear right? Well not all the time but maybe...In the event a war does break out Mal having found faith again or at least a reason to fight would join up to fight the alliance again. And the show or movie would follow him in his fight. Again just my opinion.


Ain't that just shiny?


Friday, March 17, 2006 5:48 PM


I find it odd that so many people were so upset about Wash and Book dying, but they're in a big hurry to kill Inara and Simon...

"We may experience some slight turbulence, and then... explode."


Saturday, March 18, 2006 5:26 AM


Mmm. I am rather disturbed by the death obsession. I accept that if series 2 became reality, then there would have to be plot shake-ups to keep the audience interested. However, there are many other ways to change the focus and feel of a show other than bumping off a main character. The Miranda situation alone is surely enough change in the 'verse to allow some difference in plots, as well as the absence of Book and Wash. I've only flicked through the threads lately, but nobody seems to have mentioned the possibilty of... shudder... hiring new crew...

Men of Honour - No...No it's not...


Sunday, March 19, 2006 6:41 AM


now hold on one darn pickin minute. stop with all the death! wash and shepard were one thing but simon? simon?! how could you? he's the only good medic onboard. what would mal do if he got shot? again. and inara ain't that bad. just cos she's a whore doesn't make her any less of a character. plus she's the only thing keeping mals love intrests up. if she died he'd go into i'll-never-love-another-woman mode and be lost forever. unless he went for jayne...oh god no. anyhoo, thats my say on the matter. it may be a load of crap but nevermind.

keep the killing to a minimal!!!

thankyou :)

Objects in space- Simon: I'm a doctor and my sister is a ship. We had a strange childhood...


Sunday, March 19, 2006 7:20 AM


I want Bester back.

Men of Honour - coming soon to a Blue Sun Room near you...


Tuesday, March 21, 2006 2:20 AM



nelly the elphant went to town to...


Men of Honour - coming soon to a Blue Sun Room near you...


Tuesday, March 21, 2006 7:39 AM


i believe that actually goes as so:

nelly the elephant packed her trunk and ran away with the circus...etc.

(or thats how i was taught it...)

Objects in space- Simon: I'm a doctor and my sister is a ship. We had a strange childhood...


Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:27 AM


A nice story for thenext movie or an ongoing back story for series could be Shepard Book's History. Maybe the Blue handed guys could come looking for him.
Perhaps he was on board as a protector for river, assigned thejob by some "anti Blue sun" group.

" I wasn't born a shepard,Mal"


Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:49 AM


I think Season 2 will start off with Zoe's brother coming on as Pilot. Technically I think in order to trade they have to have a registered Pilot on board because if I was a trading port I kind of would want the ship to be piloted by someone certified.

Lets face it River cant exactly go in for one of those.

Zoe is pregnet with Walsh child and contemplates getting off the ship. Simon and Kaylee get Jossed when they find marriage is harder then they thought compared to their flirting and love lorn looks.

Especially since half the time Simon thinks in the end they will settle on a Core world he will open up a practice and all will be right in the world. Unfortunately that would take Kaylee away from the outworlds and the machines she loves.

Simon tried to understand but he was born a Noble and the thought of spending the rest of his life in the black never occured to him.

It doesnt help that Kaylee strikes a friendship with Zoe'e brother Marcus ( Merchad Brooks) born rough with an easy smile and happy go lucky attitude.

Simon feels a little threatened.

Jayne is thinking about leaving the ship before he considers them 'family.' When he is contacted by a mysterious man who treatens to kill his mother unless he agrees to stay on board. Keep the Tams alive and report their location every seven days. The offer of weekly coin helps him make the right choice.

With all this trouble Mal is contacted by the Operative ( now sporting a face change but still English and black ) warning that the Parliment has authorized the use of Subject 19.

Subject 19 ( Lee Thompson Young ) from special Projects. Created specificly made to hunt down Psi-operators who somehow go rouge.

Rerouted synapes and enhanced organs ( the kind Tracy where smuggling ) added to advanced bio-feedback training and downloaded skills into a neural chip make him a threat as dangerous as River.

Unlike River he has no will, no emotion. His existance will be defined by one purpose that he will follow to the ends of the Black and back.

To kill River Tam and all with her.


Tuesday, March 21, 2006 12:16 PM


whoa... good response

like it, its original an poses a different view to the general consensus. of course i dont think its likely to happen, its still nice.

i have a problem wiv the guy gettin skills downloaded to his brain, its very matrix...

Men of Honour - coming soon to a Blue Sun Room near you...


Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:16 PM


Movie #2 Maranda DID start another war... Mal and Zoe get pulled back in w/ Jayne.... River is used to assassinate head members of the Alliance regime...
Season 2.... time B4 season one, or putting more stuff in between the original episodes, or SOMEthing so we can still have our Washburne!!!!!!! *sobs* Stupid reavers makin a popsical outta Wash!!! somabitch's r gunna PAY!!!!!


Thursday, March 23, 2006 2:21 PM


Edit: Okay, I didn't read any of the ideas in the thread before I posted this. Browncoats seem to have many similar ideas about drama...

Season 2: Open, of course, to multiple suggestions...

Episodes 2x1 and 2x2 (naturally a two hour season opener): The Blue Hands are back! By virtue of all the Alliance marines who storm into the room after River's massacre on Miranda, word gets back to Blue Sun corp that River Tam is traveling with Malcolm Reynolds aboard Serenity. Mal is forced to take the ship farther toward the Rim to avoid pursuit. Mal becomes Captain Angst as he and the crew recover from Miranda.

2x3 - Obscure and low paying job on Rimworld that highlights how far removed from society and the core our crew has become. Zoe is acting strange, but they all chalk it up to Wash's death. Jayne gets to be a bad guy. Of course, nothing runs smooth. River saves the day!

2x4 - Inara-centric flashback episode. Parallel between Inara having difficulty finding jobs on the Rim and her memories of starting in the guild. Triggered by a skeezy client who knew her back in the day? Won't solve the mystery of why she joined in the first place, but will give some insight into her character.

2x5 - Kaylee-centric episode. She's dealing with the trauma of Miranda, and trying to figure out her new relationship with Simon. Maybe flash backs of Jubal Early. Nightmares abound. Over late night talks in the kitchen, various crew members help Kaylee work through the horror of battle. The final chat is with Zoe, which also helps Zoe come a little more to terms with Wash's death. Zoe is still acting strange. Eating more, too. Hmm.

2x6 - Start of four part arch. Part one, Jayne gets a letter from home - his Ma needs his help, she and Mattie are sick and about to die. Jayne actually begs Simon for help. With Mal's permission, Jayne and Simon take a transport back to Jayne's homeworld. Jane and Simon bond and argue about everything. Simon finally realizes that Jayne had a bit of a crush on Kaylee.

2x7 - It's a trap! Blue Sun and/or the Alliance have figured out that Jayne is with Mal's crew, and were using Jayne's family to get to Jayne, and from him to River and Simon. Imagine their delight when Jayne walks through the door, Simon in tow! By the end of the episode, Jayne escapes with his family, but Simon is captured.

2x8 - Ransom time. Blue Sun and/or the Alliance wave Mal and let him know they have his doctor. If they don't bring River Tam, Simon's life will be forfeit, yada yada yada. Mal and the crew argue and angst over the situation. Jayne still hasn't been heard from, and Mal assumes another betrayal. River, of course, sneaks out the back way to rescue her brother

2x9 - River's voyage to Jayne's homeworld, and maybe some flashbacks of her time in the Academy. Mal and crew flying after her once they realize she's gone. The Hero of Canton returns at last. Daring heroics? You bet! Final scene of the crew with Jayne's grateful and safe family in the kitchen of Serenity (Obviously, they need to relocate to where Blue Sun can't find them. They'll be on board for a episode or two until Mal can find them a planet, embarrassing Jayne the entire time). Jayne's ma asks Zoe when she's expecting. Zoe: "Expecting what?" Cut to black...

Pause for Fox to show 90-billion episodes of American Bloody Idol. Resume after February sweeps.

2x10 - Yup, Zoe's pregnant. Finally, a Zoe and Wash episode! How they fell in love and Mal's reaction to their marriage. Mal adjusts to the concept of Uncle Mal. Will Zoe leave the ship? As Jayne's family is still on board, Zoe talks over motherhood with Jayne's ma. Inara, Kaylee, and River each have unique advice of their own.

2x11 - Mal finds a planet for Jayne and family to settle on. The crew takes a few days away from petty theft to help the family get set up. Mal reminisces about growing up on Shadow. Kaylee talks about her home life. More drama about Zoe maybe getting off the ship and settling down, but of course she stays on in the end.

2x12 - Niska's back! Our favorite geriatric torturer decides to go after something Mal cares about more then his life - his crew. A visit with a client turns bad for Inara when Niska learns that Mal and company have been operating out in the Rim. Inara finally gets a chance to use whatever the heck it is in her mystery syringe. Poison? Plague? Explosive? You be the judge.

2x13 - You know who we haven't heard from in awhile? Badger. He's got a job for our crew, and a big pay off, if Mal is willing to risk opperating near the Core. When the job goes south (naturally), Simon and Kaylee have to rescue Mal, River, Zoe, and Jayne.

2x14 - An acquaintance of Shepard Book tracks down Mal and the crew (yeah, they really do suck at hiding out). Might be an old cop partner, might be the Shepard's estranged son. At any rate, some of the mystery around Book is revealed. At the end of things, the old cop/estranged son joins the crew permanently (can't have Zoe risking her neck as much anymore because of the impending kid).

2x15 and 2x16 - Two part season finale. River is regressing mentally, and Simon needs answers. He plans a raid on the Academy to search their medical records. Confrontations with a few Blue Hands, maybe a connection between the Tam family and the scientists who run the Academy. Will be an ass-kicking, name-taking, many-things-exploding good time.

Okay, now I'm out of ideas. There should probably be a YoSaffBridge episode in there somewhere, and maybe a Jubal episode as well, but I couldn't figure out a good place to put them in. There are a lot of flashbacks, because I've been watching a lot of Lost lately.

As far as movie plots go, the raid on the academy would be my ideal Serenity 2. I was quite angry that River never got to kick some Blue Hand ass!


Thursday, March 23, 2006 2:58 PM


THIS IS SO HILARIOUS!!! I was talking about the future of Firefly with a friend of mine today. Heres what I came up with, so please don't anybody rip me a new one for my fantastical idea. WHAT IF... Either in Serenity 2 or in the 2nd season of Firefly, The Alliance is developing... TIME TRAVEL. Explain some scientific stuff with something to do with black holes, or some new machine,yada yada...

Mal hears about it or some crap, and seeing how Zoe is distraught and the crew is distant, decides, with the help of river, to go back to those few critical moments and bring back Wash and Book.Preferably Wash because of the comedic factor, and because book lived a full life.

All right, so they (being Zoe and Mal) go back save wash, and at the same time, river defeats and kills some of the blue hands.

The ending: Zoe and Wash reunited, possible baby, Kaylee and Simon, possible marriage later, Inara and Mal relationship progression, BAM!!!!

Either do this in Serenity 2 or in a 2 hour series premiere to kick the new season off with a bang. I can's stand the thought of Wash being killed off for good. He was so friggin funny. I will boycott the new series if he's not in it people!!!!




Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:41 PM


Here are my 2 cents on a second season (or another BDM?)

Kaylee, not Zoe is pregnant resulting in a "shotgun wedding" presided over by a very reluctant Mal as captain and Jayne with Vera ensuring Simon makes an honest woman of Kaylee.

Simon is more than a bit overwhelmed with his new responsibilities. Now he not only has to take care of River but also his new family. He almost has a breakdown from the stress.

Fun does ensue when Mal and Jayne take care of the baby.

River and Jayne form an odd friendship that sets Simon off further.

On the Mal/Inara front things are as angsty(is that a word?) as ever with a step forward and two steps back. They do make love but it separates them as they retreat from each other again.

Jobs are few and far between. There are rumblings from the Independants and Mal wants nothing to do with them. The Alliance tries to crack down on smugglers and others even harder thinking the smugglars are aiding the Independants.

Zoe is of an opposite mind and wants to join the new Indepdendant movement. She takes chances that she hasn't before and has several brushes with death.

In the season cliffhanger Niska appears again and uses YoSafBridge to get near the crew. He then kidnaps Inara and of course Mal and the rest of the crew comes to her rescue.


Friday, June 2, 2006 9:10 AM


ooo i like that one. yeah i really can't stand having any more characters die!! i really hope they don't kill anyone else when (not if!!) they do a second movie/season. i would die if they killed any other main characters! i cried when they killed wash and book!

~May your swords stay sharp.~






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