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Haken appoints 11th Hour to be official Fireflyfans.net Event Leader

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Friday, April 28, 2006 6:12 PM

SUCCATASH


Continued from the Voting Thread. http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=20150&m=293467

Being of sound mind and only a few beers, Succatash and the House of Strangefinger hereby nominate 11th Hour to be the official Marketing Director and Fan Leader of FireflyFans.net.

If 11th Hour accepts this volunteer position, she will fulfill the following duties:

1. Oversee official Fireflyfans.net activities to promote Firefly/Serenity.

2. Be willing to listen and respond to Fireflyfans.net members, and to communicate decisions effectively.

3. Perform Public Relations duties on behalf of Fireflyfans.net.

Who votes for 11th Hour?



"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

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Friday, April 28, 2006 6:19 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


oh dear oh dear oh dear

One summer.
One mission.
One army of Browncoats.

And a bunch of Rings that make Shiny people do silly things!

Starting June 23rd, we aim to misbehave!



Nathan doesn't know it yet, but I am his one true love! Is that weird?
(he will believe, he will believe)

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Friday, April 28, 2006 6:30 PM

ASARIAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Succatash:

Who votes for 11th Hour?



I know you're being quasi-facetious here (I hope); but, even though I know she's not after the job (and you know it, too), I would still like to say I have the utmost confidence and trust in her. And if she were to run, I would vote for her before you could say: "Please, vote for her."


--
"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

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Friday, April 28, 2006 6:40 PM

AGATSU


Do we really need ONE person to do this? I'd prefer a council of equals. It's a power-hunger-stopper, and people on it could take breaks, but the council would still be present etc.

As a side note, this thread will stirr up some nasty hwai, and we can't vote anyone to be anything "of FFF.net". It's Haken's site. But I know what you mean.

Serenity Summer Campaign for teh win!1!!

BROWNCOATS UNITE!
Serenity Day on September 30th for maximum sexual pleasure!

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Friday, April 28, 2006 6:53 PM

SUCCATASH


I'm not joking.

This is an enormous request, a big job. But I hope 11th Hour gets the votes and takes the reigns, because then FFF will be in great hands.

She is perfect for this job. Whether she wants it or not - IT IS HER DESTINY!! I'm not joking, really. FFF needs a spokesperson, a fun fan planner. Fireflyfans.net needs 11th Hour.

24 Hours in a Day
Only one 11th Hour









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Friday, April 28, 2006 6:58 PM

11THHOUR


Quote:

Originally posted by Succatash:
Continued from the Voting Thread. http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=20150&m=293467

Being of sound mind and only a few beers, Succatash and the House of Strangefinger hereby nominate 11th Hour to be the official Marketing Director and Fan Leader of FireflyFans.net.

If 11th Hour accepts this volunteer position, she will fulfill the following duties:

1. Oversee official Fireflyfans.net activities to promote Firefly/Serenity.

2. Be willing to listen and respond to Fireflyfans.net members, and to communicate decisions effectively.

3. Perform Public Relations duties on behalf of Fireflyfans.net.

Who votes for 11th Hour?



Tash... just how many beers have you had tonight?!!

*clears throat*

Ahem...

If I were called to serve, I would answer that call and perform my duties with honor, fairness, good humor, kick-ass art, and the option to wear my Catwoman outfit whenever I damn well please.

Those who address me as "goddess" (and mean it), shall serve with me.

Dancing and drinking ARE MANDATORY.

Whenever there develops a serious divide on how to do the campaign, I decree we will designate a thread to all vote. After the votes are counted, and then recounted, and then made fun of and counted again. I will slip off to my lair and let y'all hash it out. Tell me what you figure out later, and we'll do that...

Dancing and drinking ARE MANDATORY.

Succatash will be my lieutenant or something... whatever title is appropriate for a guy who pimps your nomination...

Mystery Science Theater 3000 and Monty Python quotes shall be sprinkled around to spice up the Firefly/Serenity ones.

Dancing and drinking ARE MANDATORY.

Oh yeah...

SEPTEMBER 30th IS SERENITY DAY GORRAMIT!!!!

11th Hour
Imperial Queen, Ruler of All



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Friday, April 28, 2006 8:04 PM

SUCCATASH


What I am suggesting requires Haken's approval.

It's time for Fireflyfans.net to sponser our own FFF.net activities. 11th Hour should be the director and leader of FFF.net sponsored activities.

I'm talking about charity and promotional events, "sponsored by Fireflyfans.net" and I think 11th Hour is perfect for the job to lead the way, to keep fans active and spreading the word.

We all want more Firefly. Let's give FFF.net the recognition it deserves and let's ask 11th Hour to lead the official FFF.net marketing campaign.

24 Hours in a Day
Only one 11th Hour



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Friday, April 28, 2006 9:39 PM

SUCCATASH


Haken has spoken! He has given 11th Hour permission to take charge in official activities on behalf of Fireflyfans.net.

Succatash: Would you be willing to let 11th Hour be in charge of FFF-related fan events like charities and activities, etc. in the name of Fireflyfans.net? So, when she organizes Firefly/Serenity events she can put an official FFF logo and represent your website?

Haken: Sure. And have her email me so that we can discuss what I can do to help her along.

11th Hour, you have been called.

24 Hours in a Day
Only one 11th Hour






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Friday, April 28, 2006 9:42 PM

SANDS


I’ll have to vote no.

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Friday, April 28, 2006 9:53 PM

MANIACNUMBERONE


Looks like the voting is now moot.
11th hr has been elected.
Long live 11th hr, queen of all things.

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Friday, April 28, 2006 9:57 PM

SANDS


Yeah, seems that way.

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 12:12 AM

SUCCATASH


If 11th Hour accepts, everyone is truly lucky.

I don't see how this stops any fans from doing whatever they want, whenever they want.

But an event officially endorsed by Fireflyfans.net would be run by 11th Hour.

I hope she makes a shiny new FFF logo.

I hope she doesn't kick my ass.


24 Hours in a Day
Only one 11th Hour



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Saturday, April 29, 2006 3:18 AM

THEREALME


Quote:

Originally posted by Succatash:

24 Hours in a Day
Only one 11th Hour



Uh, well, Tash, there are two, in point of fact.




TheRealMe, First Officer of the Sereni-Tree

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 3:32 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


I don't know who she is, but if she's willing to take on work for the cause of Browncoat goodness, it really doesn't matter.

Go, go, 11th Hour!

--Anthony


"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 3:47 AM

11THHOUR


Well when Succatash puts out the call, and Haken gives his blessing... what's a gal in a catsuit supposed to do?



Some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon 'em. Then there's some who have cohorts with a penchant for mischief, and good connections, who can access the greatness via email...

Quote:

Originally posted by Succatash:
If 11th Hour accepts, everyone is truly lucky.

I don't see how this stops any fans from doing whatever they want, whenever they want.



Yeppers. Firefly/Serenity fans pretty much do as they please, bless 'em... Rule #1 - There Ain't No Rules!

Quote:

But an event officially endorsed by Fireflyfans.net would be run by 11th Hour.


Me... and my trusty cohorts! Off the top of my head (and not to exclude no one, wouldn't want to be excludin' no one), and in no particular order, I hereby nominate:

FollowMal ~ Pure of heart, loyal, honest, and she loves horses
MalNourished ~ Have her at your side, she's good folk
Hera ~ Our campaign could really use a Greek goddess
Kurya ~ A newbie, but Browncoat through and through!
Asarian ~ 'cause of his shiny post in this thread!
Agatsu ~ Steadfast, positive, and can dance 'till the cows come home!
SameErtia ~ The Independent Spirit is strong in this one!


(Ranking and privleges will be determined after I've checked my PayPal account... *wink wink*... )

And, of course...

Succatash ~ The One, the Only, the Indescribable!

Tash, you can choose whatever title you like. Some possibilities:

~ Lead Musketeer
~ "that guy"
~ Head of the Information Dissemination and Obfuscation Department


Everyone can name their own title... have it suit your fancy... or fancy your suit if you're into the whole medals, ribbons, and gold embroidery thing...

Also if your name isn't on the list, and you want to be part of the cohorts, just let me know... and I'll email you my PayPal account info...

_____________________________________________________________

First Order of Business ~

• "Summer of Serenity Day" (June 23rd)~ The big kick-off day to the "Serenity Summer Campaign"! Woooohoooo! Buy stuff, write thank yous to Universal, go to screenings, wish that Joss guy a Happy Birthday... and get started on promoting our shiny 'verse in a BIG way!

• "Serenity Summer Campaign" (All Summer) ~ Promotions, Conventions, BBQs, Ads, Donate DVDs, Recruit, Spread the word of FF/S, Parties... use your imagination... share ideas... grow the fan base!

• "Serenity Day" (September 30th)~ The great, big splashy day when all the promotion during the Summer leads up to an awesome "Thank You" to Universal with a major, worldwide(!) Serenity (and Firefly too) DVD buying day! Celebrate the one year anniversary of the premiere of "Serenity" at Universal! Yay!

_____________________________________________________________


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I hope she makes a shiny new FFF logo.


Only the shinest for FFF.net will do!

Quote:

I hope she doesn't kick my ass.


Oh you know you want me to...

Quote:

24 Hours in a Day
Only one 11th Hour



Tash, now I'm blushin' and stuff... you're somethin' else...

11th Hour
Imperial Queen, Ruler of All

"Because teenage pranks are fun when you're about to die!" - Hoban Washburne

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 4:00 AM

VINTERDRAKEN


Om confused, (yeah, I know that ive been more confused then anything else the last few days) And more importantly, I have no idea who 11th Hour is, seen a post on some occasion somewhere, but if I was going to vote for anyone for something like this, event leader, then I would like to hear more about that person first and have more then one person actually running for it.

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 4:00 AM

VINTERDRAKEN


Om confused, (yeah, I know that ive been more confused then anything else the last few days) And more importantly, I have no idea who 11th Hour is, seen a post on some occasion somewhere, but if I was going to vote for anyone for something like this, event leader, then I would like to hear more about that person first and have more then one person actually running for it.

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 4:00 AM

VINTERDRAKEN


Om confused, (yeah, I know that ive been more confused then anything else the last few days) And more importantly, I have no idea who 11th Hour is, seen a post on some occasion somewhere, but if I was going to vote for anyone for something like this, event leader, then I would like to hear more about that person first and have more then one person actually running for it.

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 4:00 AM

VINTERDRAKEN


Om confused, (yeah, I know that ive been more confused then anything else the last few days) And more importantly, I have no idea who 11th Hour is, seen a post on some occasion somewhere, but if I was going to vote for anyone for something like this, event leader, then I would like to hear more about that person first and have more then one person actually running for it.

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 4:00 AM

VINTERDRAKEN


Om confused, (yeah, I know that ive been more confused then anything else the last few days) And more importantly, I have no idea who 11th Hour is, seen a post on some occasion somewhere, but if I was going to vote for anyone for something like this, event leader, then I would like to hear more about that person first and have more then one person actually running for it.

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 4:00 AM

VINTERDRAKEN


Om confused, (yeah, I know that ive been more confused then anything else the last few days) And more importantly, I have no idea who 11th Hour is, seen a post on some occasion somewhere, but if I was going to vote for anyone for something like this, event leader, then I would like to hear more about that person first and have more then one person actually running for it.

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 4:31 AM

SIMONWHO


Votes 'No.'

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 4:41 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Well, seems to me all it is, is someone spreading word about activities and such.

No harm there.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 4:51 AM

11THHOUR


Second order of business ~

Keep your spirits up, positive energy is good... hold on to your sense of fun!

11th Hour
Imperial Queen, Ruler of All

"Because teenage pranks are fun when you're about to die!" - Hoban Washburne

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 4:55 AM

AGATSU


Don't take this the wrong way, Tash, but I'd like to hear HAKEN say that. :)

About 11th Hour becoming leader...
Well, a brick could do a better job than Kaele is doing atm, because she is working AGAINST what we want. I don't care HOW MUCH she is doing, since she is doing it for the wrong ruttin day and the wrong ruttin reasons and NOT for us Browncoats, brushing reason and all the votes and pros for September 30th aside to go through with what SHE thinks is best for us.
Well, fuck that.
11th Hour, I'm with you until you get powerhungry or crazy and I'ma have to put you down. Deal?

Just remember you are working for everyone and not the other way around.

Serenity Summer Campaign for teh win!1!!

BROWNCOATS UNITE!
Serenity Day on September 30th for maximum sexual pleasure!

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 6:18 AM

11THHOUR


Quote:

Originally posted by Agatsu:
Don't take this the wrong way, Tash, but I'd like to hear HAKEN say that. :)



Haken is a highly sophiscated virtual construct created by Succatash...

Succatash IS Haken!

Think about it. Have you ever seen them together in the same room at the same time?

Quote:

About 11th Hour becoming leader...
Well, a brick could do a better job than Kaele is doing atm,



Oh... OH! That's my new campaign slogan:

"Vote For 11th Hour. She's better than a brick."

Quote:

11th Hour, I'm with you until you get powerhungry or crazy and I'ma have to put you down. Deal?


You'll have to come through Haken/Succatash to get me!!!

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Just remember you are working for everyone and not the other way around.


Uh... I thought I was taking a ceremonial position, then having my crew of cohorts figure out the details... and then I'd bask in the glory... I was counting on the cover of Vanity Fair!

It's all about the glory.

11th Hour
Imperial Queen, Ruler of All

"Because teenage pranks are fun when you're about to die!" - Hoban Washburne

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 6:58 AM

AGATSU


I don't care who basks in the glory, as long as we get a shiny, SUCCESSFUL Serenity Day.

Serenity Summer Campaign for teh win!1!!

BROWNCOATS UNITE!
Serenity Day on September 30th for maximum sexual pleasure!

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 7:55 AM

EMPXENU


Quote:

Yeppers. Firefly/Serenity fans pretty much do as they please, bless 'em... Rule #1 - There Ain't No Rules!

Well, a brick could do a better job than Kaele is doing atm, because she is working AGAINST what we want. I don't care HOW MUCH she is doing, since she is doing it for the wrong ruttin day and the wrong ruttin reasons and NOT for us Browncoats, brushing reason and all the votes and pros for September 30th aside to go through with what SHE thinks is best for us.


Okay, can someone explain how these two statements go together? "working AGAINST what we want", "wrong ruttin day", "NOT for us Browncoats"? I consider myself one of those but I don't recall giving you permission to speak for me. You have a tally of a few dozen votes and you're already considering the issue settled. It's ironic how you lash out at this Kaele person for thinking she knows what's best for everyone. Organise all you want for September but let others do the same for whenever they feel. People who feel inclined to buy the movie on 9/30 will do so, those who want to do it on any other date will do so. If you want them to get it on a specific date, do your best to convince them why but you're putting down someone with the same intentions. We're not an ant colony, we're a diverse group of people with different mindsets and opinions who just happen to have one thing in common. Being an Independent isn't peaches and cream all the time, eh?

One little fact I'd like to emphasize is that every sold copy helps, no matter what day it's acquired on. When I first heard about this Serenity day thing I thought it was a nice way of showing appreciation for something we love but after all this ruckus, I'm not sure if I'll be a part of it. You can be sure I'll always be ready to spread the word to anyone who will listen though.

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Frog blast the vent core!

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 8:28 AM

AGATSU


Quote:

Originally posted by EmpXenu:

Okay, can someone explain how these two statements go together? "working AGAINST what we want", "wrong ruttin day", "NOT for us Browncoats"? I consider myself one of those but I don't recall giving you permission to speak for me. You have a tally of a few dozen votes and you're already considering the issue settled. It's ironic how you lash out at this Kaele person for thinking she knows what's best for everyone. Organise all you want for September but let others do the same for whenever they feel. People who feel inclined to buy the movie on 9/30 will do so, those who want to do it on any other date will do so. If you want them to get it on a specific date, do your best to convince them why but you're putting down someone with the same intentions. We're not an ant colony, we're a diverse group of people with different mindsets and opinions who just happen to have one thing in common. Being an Independent isn't peaches and cream all the time, eh?

One little fact I'd like to emphasize is that every sold copy helps, no matter what day it's acquired on. When I first heard about this Serenity day thing I thought it was a nice way of showing appreciation for something we love but after all this ruckus, I'm not sure if I'll be a part of it. You can be sure I'll always be ready to spread the word to anyone who will listen though.

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Frog blast the vent core!



Hi there. Thought I could explain it to you, having written it and all.
So, KAELE's opinion counts more than that of the majority on this board who CARED ENOUGH TO VOTE? I'm aware that there's a lot of people just waiting to see how this turns out and then follow that plan, but those who actually care and get involved and thought about the whole matter decided for September 30th, there is no doubt about it. So when I say I represent the opinion of the majority, I do. Did you vote for June on the thread? Okay, your opinion. Now realize there's 2 1/2 browncoats voting for the September date, set in comparison.
Of course, if people don't vote, they can't complain, like in the real world. The people who DO vote set the course, and they set the course for September 30th.
For Kaele, that "tally of a few dozen votes" - admittedly counted only for the first few posts by her - was enough to unjustly justify her actions FOR THE WRONG DATE, I take it? But here you are, attacking me for speaking up on this fun little fact. I guess because Kaele isn't anywhere to be seen to say anything against anyone, it lets me look like the bad guy. But Kaele isn't here (great leadership!) because she's so into her own world and mission that she doesn't care what anyone thinks. I'm not down with that, and I won't let her take Serenity Day away from us and make it her own. And with "us", I mean the people on this board who care.
The idea of Serenity Day was to be UNITED on ONE DAY to make ONE big impact and show our love for the show. I was more or less the one getting people excited about the idea, although I don't recall whose original idea it was. So I was there from the start, and VERY closely watched what was going on here.
Kaele took command, and that was fine.
Then B!x from Serenity Now/Equality Now complained that us having our commercial Serenity thing would take away from his pure charity thing.
That's when the trouble started, but I actually thought something good came out of it, because it made people reconsider the date, and a veteran suggested September 30th, the 1st annual of the Serenity Permiere. At first I thought it was too far back, but the more I thought about it and talked to people about it, the more it dawned on me that September 30th is the way to go - we avoid trouble with Serenity Now/Equality Now, have more time, visit conventions, get more people together, maybe get cast members to motivate people, have shindigs, get the christmas sales for serenity going, generally spread the word - in short, make SURE Serenity Day hits its mark while making the highest percentage of EVERYONE happy, not rushing head-on into it and making it fail. I was so excited about June 23rd and doing something QUICKQUICKQUICK that it took me some time to look at it from an objective point of view, and I guess it was the same for a lot of people, since the votes in the thread were in favor for June at first (those have to be the ones Kaele counted), but then more and more people preferred Sept. 30th.
So September 30th it was! Kaele, however, didn't care, didn't show up, just seems to go ahead with her plan, and is most probably soon gonna sodomize us by having made the June date widely public in "official" press releases. The "council" created to organise this thing had disbanded by then because the majority realized September was the right choice, but Kaele, the one "in power", how she likes to put it, was adamant on June 23rd.

This whole date-related in-fighting already greatly hurt the very imminent June Date, and the June date in turn - if seen through - will fail, and thereby destroy any chance of another successful run at this, along with our credibility, our motivation and our reputation.
September 30th, on the other hand... more or less smooth sailing.

So there's my reasons, in short. That was spanned over more than a week of very intense posting and arguing, which I followed for hours on end, every day. So please excuse me if I start to sound a little pissed.
I will not apologize for my accusations, though.

Sorry for having to write that over and over again.
I'm a very peaceful person. If I attack someone, I have valid reasons and think it is the right thing. I hate it, but I hate what is going on here even more.

Serenity Summer Campaign for teh win!1!!

BROWNCOATS UNITE!
Serenity Day on September 30th for maximum sexual pleasure!

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 10:31 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important




Wow Dudes.

How did a simple thing like being a fan become political?

So far as I can tell, the primo boss owner of this web site picked some hot chick in a latex outfit named 11th hour to be the spokesperson for web site activities.

So far as I can tell, some other chick named Kaele (sp?) has planned some alternative activities and is promoting them.

So why the need to bash one and hug the other? They're both promoting the cause. And that guy with the charity is promoting the cause, too. So it's an orgy of goodness. You don't have to pick one over the other. You can have them all.

Tell you what, we'll probably end up having two blips on the radar, instead of just one. Is that so bad?

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 10:58 AM

LAUGHINGMUSE


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:


Wow Dudes.

How did a simple thing like being a fan become political?

So far as I can tell, the primo boss owner of this web site picked some hot chick in a latex outfit named 11th hour to be the spokesperson for web site activities.

So far as I can tell, some other chick named Kaele (sp?) has planned some alternative activities and is promoting them.

So why the need to bash one and hug the other? They're both promoting the cause. And that guy with the charity is promoting the cause, too. So it's an orgy of goodness. You don't have to pick one over the other. You can have them all.

Tell you what, we'll probably end up having two blips on the radar, instead of just one. Is that so bad?

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner



I keep saying that.

Hey AnthonyT, come join the crowd:
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Saturday, April 29, 2006 11:05 AM

STARRBABY


WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
*Flails by - hair wild - trailing hay as she streaks*
Yaaaaaaaiiiiiiiieeeeee!
*bursts out as quickly as she appeared*

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 11:14 AM

SHINY


Quote:

Rule #1 - There Ain't No Rules!


Tell that to the poor headless bunny laying next to your feet.

So...do we need to dust of our Catastrophic Bloodbath uniforms now, cappy?

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 11:22 AM

AGATSU


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:


Wow Dudes.

How did a simple thing like being a fan become political?

So far as I can tell, the primo boss owner of this web site picked some hot chick in a latex outfit named 11th hour to be the spokesperson for web site activities.

So far as I can tell, some other chick named Kaele (sp?) has planned some alternative activities and is promoting them.

So why the need to bash one and hug the other? They're both promoting the cause. And that guy with the charity is promoting the cause, too. So it's an orgy of goodness. You don't have to pick one over the other. You can have them all.

Tell you what, we'll probably end up having two blips on the radar, instead of just one. Is that so bad?

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner



Ah, it's a long and ugly story, even if it happened quite fast. Now that there's a vote up on vote.serenityday.org, it'll all be settled soon.

It isn't about Kaele vs 11th Hour, though,it's June 23rd vs September 30th for Serenity Day.

And even if September 30th is decided on, and after all the anger, I'd still be fine with Kaele being in charge of organising Serenity Day, as long as she is willing to listen to people and respect their wishes and not think that she has "the power". Like in a committee... comitee.. comm... council that talks about what's supposed to happen and what the people want.
Prima Inter Pares. First among equals. "Equals" being the key word here. As long as she agrees with that term for her, and the meaning, I'm willing to serve the will of the Browncoat community under her supervision.
I don't care as long as the one taking the "job" does it right and relies on the council and the favor of the Browncoat community.

So, as you see, it's not about someone versus someone, at least not for me.


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Saturday, April 29, 2006 11:35 AM

AGATSU


Quote:

Originally posted by LaughingMuse:
Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:


Tell you what, we'll probably end up having two blips on the radar, instead of just one. Is that so bad?

--Anthony



I keep saying that.

Hey AnthonyT, come join the crowd:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=20228&m=293768



Well, I keep saying that ONE huge impact is better than TWO medium sized tremors, especially PR-wise. Everyone is free to do what they want, though, and buying the DVDs is never a bad thing, but the whoooole point that started this whooooooole issue was to buy the DVDs, united, on ONE day. Apart from that, the sales on the SECOND date would have to be higher no matter what, or it'd look like we're losing fans, and some Browncoats may not be willing to spend money again.

I'm gonna be so glad when this is over and I can spend more time in the fun threads...


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Saturday, April 29, 2006 11:52 AM

KURYA


hi.
So yeah isnt this thread supposed to be a joke and not real? I think if anyone should be empress it should be me, except emperor... and not in a cat suit, jeans and tshirt kind of thing.

And by the way agatsu.. .can you create a thread, just for that poll? Alert people about it? I didnt know about it, until you posted it, and I could post it on other boards too if you want? You shouldnt put this in the vote now thread, because well thats freaken huge. And mention in the title its an anonymous poll.
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Saturday, April 29, 2006 11:55 AM

ANTHONYT

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Yeah bud, but in the political wrestling and wrangling, you might end up with no date and no blip at all.

I endorse both dates, and there's enough time between them that I can save up my pennies and buy a copy on each of them.

And never forget that Firefly and Serenity are fun. When any promotion or idea makes it stop being fun, it's time to re-evaluate the idea or promotion. I haven't seen anything divide the Firefly fan community like this since Wash died.

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 12:01 PM

KURYA


well, there was the questioning of the marketing of the movie, and the DVD cover craptacular, but I do agree... this is really bad... and yeah its starting to lose its fun appeal....
:(
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Saturday, April 29, 2006 12:04 PM

IANW


Quote:

Originally posted by Agatsu:
Quote:

Originally posted by LaughingMuse:
Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:


Tell you what, we'll probably end up having two blips on the radar, instead of just one. Is that so bad?

--Anthony



I keep saying that.

Hey AnthonyT, come join the crowd:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=20228&m=293768



Well, I keep saying that ONE huge impact is better than TWO medium sized tremors, especially PR-wise. Everyone is free to do what they want, though, and buying the DVDs is never a bad thing, but the whoooole point that started this whooooooole issue was to buy the DVDs, united, on ONE day. Apart from that, the sales on the SECOND date would have to be higher no matter what, or it'd look like we're losing fans, and some Browncoats may not be willing to spend money again.

I'm gonna be so glad when this is over and I can spend more time in the fun threads...


BROWNCOATS UNITE!
Serenity Day on September 30th for maximum sexual pleasure!



that's why june 23d should be the mass buying day while september 30th should focus on somthing other than another buying day.

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 12:08 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important



I just did the math:

There are 54 days until June 23rd.
If you want to buy a 20 dollar copy of Serenity on June 23rd, you only have to save 37 cents per day to afford it.

There are 99 days between June 23rd and Sept 30th.

So after buying your first copy of Serenity on June 23rd, you only have to save 20 cents per day to afford a second copy on September 30th.

Everyone can be happy! Hurrah!

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 12:16 PM

IANW


wow. all i have to say is that this thread got all sorts of ugly. I don't understand the bickering. We have two dates, let's run with both! we are problem solvers and intelligent people. We have slated june 23rd already and there's at least a large chunk of people that would liek that day to stick, so be it, we'll do somthing on june 23rd for joss' birthday.

Serenity day is supposed to be about celibrating the movie and such- logically, that should be september 30th.

so you dont' have a charity screening in your city: have a small shindig in your house and collect 5 bucks per person to donate to the charity. Have a poker tourny! what more is western than playing poker! the pot will be devided- 1/2 to charity 1/2 to winner.

'cmon guys, we can do tons of things here but a lot of us got off track.

bottom line, no one can argue that the charity is a bad idea. and suprisingly enough, it'll help our cause in a good way to draw attention to the numbers there also. We want to get universal's attention too? we'll do a big campagn on september 30th...three months later, i doubt we'll be broke from june 23rd.

i'm sorry, the way i look at it, i dont' see any reason to argue and this is just upsetting

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 12:21 PM

11THHOUR


Quote:

Originally posted by EmpXenu:
Quote:

Yeppers. Firefly/Serenity fans pretty much do as they please, bless 'em... Rule #1 - There Ain't No Rules!

Well, a brick could do a better job than Kaele is doing atm, because she is working AGAINST what we want. I don't care HOW MUCH she is doing, since she is doing it for the wrong ruttin day and the wrong ruttin reasons and NOT for us Browncoats, brushing reason and all the votes and pros for September 30th aside to go through with what SHE thinks is best for us.


Okay, can someone explain how these two statements go together?



Sure!

• The quotes you highlighted are from two different people (which you already knew) and from posts aiming at two very different purposes... so, actually, they don't go together, and
• Rule #1 - There Ain't No Rules!

Quote:

"working AGAINST what we want", "wrong ruttin day", "NOT for us Browncoats"? I consider myself one of those but I don't recall giving you permission to speak for me. You have a tally of a few dozen votes and you're already considering the issue settled. It's ironic how you lash out at this Kaele person for thinking she knows what's best for everyone.


From what I can see, Agatsu isn't so much going on about which person knows what's best... more like, the person in the position of leader was not acknowledging the majority of the fans who were speaking up.

Quote:

Organise all you want for September but let others do the same for whenever they feel. People who feel inclined to buy the movie on 9/30 will do so, those who want to do it on any other date will do so.


That's probably what will end up happening. Fans are individuals... we're not part of the "one mind" hive... which is a good thing...

Quote:

If you want them to get it on a specific date, do your best to convince them why but you're putting down someone with the same intentions.


Can't we buy DVDs without putting folks down? Gee I hope so.

Quote:

We're not an ant colony, we're a diverse group of people with different mindsets and opinions who just happen to have one thing in common. Being an Independent isn't peaches and cream all the time, eh?


Got that right. Sometimes it's overturned furniture, broken pool cues, spilled drinks, and getting tossed into the big mirror...

Quote:

One little fact I'd like to emphasize is that every sold copy helps, no matter what day it's acquired on. When I first heard about this Serenity day thing I thought it was a nice way of showing appreciation for something we love but after all this ruckus, I'm not sure if I'll be a part of it. You can be sure I'll always be ready to spread the word to anyone who will listen though.


BLESS YOU!!!

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 12:23 PM

11THHOUR


Quote:

Originally posted by ianw:
i'm sorry, the way i look at it, i dont' see any reason to argue and this is just upsetting



It does give an uncomfortableness. I thought my posts were over-the-top wacky enough to bring some much needed humor back.

Everyone's just so stressed out right now...

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 12:27 PM

ZISKER


Quote:

Originally posted by Agatsu:

Ah, it's a long and ugly story, even if it happened quite fast. Now that there's a vote up on vote.serenityday.org, it'll all be settled soon.

It isn't about Kaele vs 11th Hour, though,it's June 23rd vs September 30th for Serenity Day.

And even if September 30th is decided on, and after all the anger, I'd still be fine with Kaele being in charge of organising Serenity Day, as long as she is willing to listen to people and respect their wishes and not think that she has "the power". Like in a committee... comitee.. comm... council that talks about what's supposed to happen and what the people want.
Prima Inter Pares. First among equals. "Equals" being the key word here. As long as she agrees with that term for her, and the meaning, I'm willing to serve the will of the Browncoat community under her supervision.
I don't care as long as the one taking the "job" does it right and relies on the council and the favor of the Browncoat community.

So, as you see, it's not about someone versus someone, at least not for me.


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Serenity Day on September 30th for maximum sexual pleasure!




Ok, I've been staying out of this, and this is the only post I'll make on this subject - but I think this is really, really unfair to Kaele. I've been working with her and not once has she acted like she has "the power". She did put it to a vote and the original group of voters did say that June 23rd was a good day to keep. That changed as other people came in, which is cool, we're all Browncoats, the more the merrier and the more plans the merrier - but don't paint Kaele out to be a dictator. She's not. She's worked hard despite have a fair amount going on IRL.

She has always been willing to listen to my input and never tried to force anything on me. I really think it shows poor form to drag her name through the mud. Even if you didn't like working with her, there's no cause for it. Just go and do your own thing, that's fine. Sometimes people just don't work well together, it happens. But don't trash someone on the forum. It's immature and creates a general environment of ill-will.

And that's all I've got to say on the forums about the mud slinging that's been going on. If there's any response, please PM me. I don't want to take up anyone else's time. Can't we all just get along?

One day.
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On June 23rd, we aim to misbehave.
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Saturday, April 29, 2006 12:31 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


More Fun Maths!

If you earn a minimum wage of 5 dollars per hour, you only have to set aside 4 minutes and 44 seconds of work each day to be able to afford the DVD on June 23rd.

Then you only need to set aside 2 minutes and 40 seconds of work each day to afford the DVD again on September 30th.

--Anthony


"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 12:43 PM

KURYA


those statistics calculated up by anthony , should so be put on the website or something...
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Saturday, April 29, 2006 1:25 PM

FOLLOWMAL


Zisker,

I saw the "original vote" of which you speak.

Would Kaele really like us to rehash that?

You might ask her if she wants that out in public before you go defending her with that one.

Not trying to be mean.. trying to be truthful.

I have told her before that the truth is what is right for Browncoats.

ETA: Your current vote on your site seems to be just fine in my opinion. I applaud you all for doing it. Fine idea. I also told her I'd tell her when I thought she was doing the right thing.
And this time... she is.

"You hold. Hold 'til I get back." Mal

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 1:28 PM

FOLLOWMAL




Also guys... this thread started out as a kinda silly thing... kinda like the slip and slide thread.... not a serious thing.



Should we make it serious? *shrugs*

"You hold. Hold 'til I get back." Mal

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 1:35 PM

ZISKER


I wish you had PMed me like I requested, but since you didn't: I really don't know what you're talking about. I defended Kaele of my own free will because my experiences working with her have been positive and I would like all name calling and slander to stop. Again, I feel it is immature and creates a general environment of ill-will.

If you want to discuss this further, please, please PM or email me as I originally requested.

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On June 23rd, we aim to misbehave.
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Saturday, April 29, 2006 1:46 PM

AGATSU


Quote:

Originally posted by Zisker:
Ok, I've been staying out of this, and this is the only post I'll make on this subject - but I think this is really, really unfair to Kaele.



How is it unfair to Kaele when I say I'd still follow her in spite of what's happening if she sees reason? Especially after the hard way I was going after her?

Basically the only things I'm critizising about her is that she seems so incredibly focused on June 23rd, and that she doesn't seem to care what the people on here are thinking and doing.
Besides, why take this job when she has so much going on in real life atm? And why push for the June deadline, which is in less than 2 months when it could be in September and so leave her time to do both the RL stuff and this here Serenity Day thing right without having a heart attack.
I just don't get it.

I'd like to point out that I'm writing this absolutely calm and peaceful, with no anger whatsoever. I hope you can tell this is not meant to flame or something, those are just my thoughts, and I hope you can understand my intentions a bit better.
It's nice of you to come to her aid, but if she were a good leader, you wouldn't have to.

Peace.

P.S.: It's kind of unfair to write a long post attacking someone in public and then telling them to defend themselves in private, don't you think?

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 2:13 PM

ZISKER


There's no way for anyone to win this, it could go on and on. Again, I ask that everyone stops the name calling and mud slinging.

One day.
One plan.
One army of Browncoats.

On June 23rd, we aim to misbehave.
http://www.serenityday.org/

Little or no free time, but want to help?
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Saturday, April 29, 2006 2:35 PM

11THHOUR


FYI Folks ~

This isn't an 11th Hour vs. Kaele thread, so stay cool... it's okay.

This thread was started by Succatash because he nominated me for FFF Marketing Director and Fan Leader. Tash has the gift for whimsy, and so I posted my "acceptance" speech which appeared, at least to me, to be wacky enough so that we could all have some badly needed fun.

Then "Haken" accepted the nomination that Succatash proposed. Hehe! Tash you are a hoot and a half!

Then, I found out it was real.

D'oh!

11th Hour
Imperial Queen, Ruler of All... or also having something to do with promoting Firefly/Serenity under the FFF banner and being on hand to lead or advise whichever fans are so inclined, with the understanding that the post will be withdrawn should I devolve into a power hungry megalomaniac who was only in it for the minions.... gotta love those minions...



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Saturday, April 29, 2006 4:03 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Streaks in, hair dripping clumps of choclate and sprinkles, hay covering the naughty bits......WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...stops when she hears FollowMal say the Slip and Slide wasn't serious.....

Hey - Maximum Velocity on an oil coated Slip and Slide!!!! It don't get no more serious!!!!!!

Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo


runs off thread to another random thread......whoooooooooooooooooooo!

edit: forgot that damn sig again

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 4:06 PM

AGATSU


Wtf?



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Saturday, April 29, 2006 4:15 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


we're voting and voting and voting
seems kaele's the one we're demoting
we make up our minds
then someone rewinds
and succotash restarts the goading


Have we made up our minds yet? Can someone tell me when we do. Its getting really hard keeping up with all the different threads.

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