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The scale of Serenity

POSTED BY: HERA
UPDATED: Monday, June 12, 2006 12:05
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Friday, June 9, 2006 7:59 AM

HERA


This may be old news, but it's pretty interesting. Serenity was added to a website that indicates the relative scale of spaceships.

http://www.merzo.net/main.htm

She looks really shiny on the 10 pixels per meter page!

from their update dated:

NEWS APRIL 20 2006

Some updates!
- Added Serenity to the 1 Meter Per Pixel and 10 Pixels Per Meter pages,

"Wanna?" – Mal to Kaylee, Out of Gas

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Friday, June 9, 2006 8:16 AM

DAYVE


that's a cool site.. thanks

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Friday, June 9, 2006 12:47 PM

CHRISTHECYNIC


Little something I put together when I came across that site:

http://members.lycos.co.uk/christhecynic/hpbimg/Size%20comparison.bmp

There's really no point to that picture, but I post it for ... no reason.

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Friday, June 9, 2006 12:57 PM

PENGUIN





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Friday, June 9, 2006 1:51 PM

CHRISTHECYNIC


Ok, here it is in a format that will show up in the thread, and four pixels wider to accommodate all of the forsaken out there.

http://members.lycos.co.uk/christhecynic/hpbimg/Size%20comparison.JPG

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Friday, June 9, 2006 2:10 PM

SAFEAT2ND


I agree, that is a good web-site. I'm glad other Coats have found it! It used to have a forum to discuss which new ships should be added.

I started the Serenity addition thread and I'm happy to say, a fair number of Browncoats and Sci-Fi enthusiasts backed my suggestion. Somebody else actually supplied the pictures.

Sadly the forum is now gone.

Chris, nice chart! I've always been a fan of seeing my favorite ships in the same space. That's what drew me to Starship Dimensions to begin with.

I tried my hand at a chart a while back, posted in the Blue Sun Room. That was before I realized the difference between JPG and BMP

http://fireflyfans.net/sunroomitem.asp?i=3925

Safeat2nd, Chief Handyman of Destiny

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Friday, June 9, 2006 2:35 PM

CHRISTHECYNIC


This is the one that really got me:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/christhecynic/hpbimg/StarWars%20vs%20StarTr
ek.bmp


That is a to-scale meeting of Vader's star destroyer, and the original Enterprise thanks to the very site this thread is about.

I've seen things where they have Star Trek vs. Star Wars, and I just imagine the slaughter that would be.

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Friday, June 9, 2006 2:46 PM

SAFEAT2ND


I'd more like to see Battlestar Galactic meets Star Wars or even S:AAB meets Battlestar Galactica.

I've always found a Star Trek meets anything but Star Trek a bit like mixing oil and water.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Star Trek, I just don't find it compatible with other Sci-fi.

Safeat2nd, Chief Handyman of Destiny

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Friday, June 9, 2006 3:08 PM

PEULSAR5

We sniff the air, we don't kiss the dirt.


There is on ship on the big page called 'Starplex' from the novel 'Starplex', written by Robert J. Sawyer. Does anyone know anything about this?

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Friday, June 9, 2006 3:42 PM

CHRISTHECYNIC


Quote:

Originally posted by safeat2nd:
I've always found a Star Trek meets anything but Star Trek a bit like mixing oil and water.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Star Trek, I just don't find it compatible with other Sci-fi.


But can't you just imagine Kaylee walking through the ship leaving a trail of fingerprints and engine grease?

What would make Star Trek go with anything else is people looking at it in sheer "How the hell can anything be this clean?" awe or disgust and asking for them to repeat that in captain dummy talk.

I don't hate Star Trek either, but I have a feeling that the ship smell sterile and it certainly looks like it is.

That's what would interest me: Star Trek being forced to mix with a realistic universe.

Geordi viciously cleaning off a console after someone who wasn't obscenely clean had touched it. Probably hitting the wrong buttons in the process and sending them into warp, any of them trying to say their techno-babble in plain English when someone finally asked, "What the hell does that mean?"

At least the enterprise has toilets, which is more than I can say for several space ships I've seen on screen.

It always makes me laugh (ok, not laugh, smirk maybe) when I imagine ordinary people walking the Enterprise leaving behind a trail of foot and fingerprints. They couldn't come through the transporters though, those things probably leave the dust behind and turn off the oils that create fingerprints.

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Saturday, June 10, 2006 3:59 AM

SAFEAT2ND


When you put it that way... that is something I would actually like to see.

I think Kaylee may actually get along well with Trip. Geordi, on the other hand, I think your depiction is right on the money.

Geordi has replaced his phaser with a bottle of Windex..

Safeat2nd, Chief Handyman of Destiny

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Saturday, June 10, 2006 4:04 AM

SPACEANJL


Have you read the article in the 'Serenity' book about the STverse meeting Serenity?

SpaceAnJL

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Saturday, June 10, 2006 6:30 AM

EPEYON


Woah, it's nice to be able to see Serenity in relation to other Sci-Fi ships, especially the ones from Star Wars. Only thing missing is the Space Shuttle. :p

I see Geordi as following them around with a phaser in his hand telling them if he touched anything he would turn them into space dust, and then he would turn the space dust into gas. And I would see Jayne as using a console as a mirror, just to screw around.

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Saturday, June 10, 2006 6:43 AM

MSG


Just had a mental image of Kaylee at the food replicator going berserk:)

You're only young once, but you can be immature any time!

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Saturday, June 10, 2006 6:52 AM

EPEYON


She would probably lay on that 'innocent' charm she has and have one installed in Serenity. Or just have Jayne bash it outta the wall.

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Saturday, June 10, 2006 6:56 AM

CHOO1701


Can i be truthful and say i never thought she was THAT big



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Saturday, June 10, 2006 7:03 AM

EPEYON


Yeah, because the engine adds on a lot, and you don't see the inside of the actual engine, just the part that turns it. And I'm surprised it's bigger than the Millenium Falcon, I always thought they were closer in size. Length wise at least.

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Saturday, June 10, 2006 7:12 AM

CHRISTHECYNIC


Quote:

Originally posted by Epeyon:
Woah, it's nice to be able to see Serenity in relation to other Sci-Fi ships, especially the ones from Star Wars. Only thing missing is the Space Shuttle. :p


Well in that case here is a Saturn V, Godzilla, a blue whale, the space shuttle, Serenity, and finally King Kong.

http://members.lycos.co.uk/christhecynic/hpbimg/Size/godzilla%20vs%20k
ing%20kong.JPG


It's little things like this that remind you exactly how much they had to enhance King Kong to make him fight Godzilla. Otherwise it would have been like Godzilla vs. Bambi, which was fun but wouldn't have made a good full length movie.

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Saturday, June 10, 2006 7:31 AM

EPEYON


Oh, For some reason it wouldn't enhance the smaller images. And I meant a side view of the shuttle, without the fuel/booster pods.

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Saturday, June 10, 2006 7:33 AM

CHRISTHECYNIC


Quote:

Originally posted by Epeyon:
I meant a side view of the shuttle, without the fuel/booster pods.


I thought you might have, I can not help you there.

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Saturday, June 10, 2006 7:43 AM

SAFEAT2ND


I think I have a side view of the shuttle kicking around. I'll have a look and let you know.

I've tried to collect side views of ships, and have a big collection. No mecha or Japanese Anime, sorry, just Sci-fi T.V. and movies. Where I couldn't find the ship I wanted, I've tried to make it. Wing Commander movie ships are an example.

I'm working on three comparison charts, fighters; shuttles and freighters; and larger ships. I tend to gravitate to the smaller ships like the fighters and shuttles/freighters. they tend to have more character.

The extremely large ships, I find, are big just for the sake of being bigger than the other ships. Freud and Jung would have a field day with the Star Wars Super Duper Mega Really Big Galaxy Destroyers...

"Umm Lord Vader? We've managed to build a ship too big to fit in the Universe..."
"Excellent... now mine is the biggest. Take that, Obi-Wan. NEENER NEENER NEENER!"

Safeat2nd, Chief Handyman of Destiny

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Saturday, June 10, 2006 8:09 AM

EPEYON


Yeah, quite a few of the EU ships are just crazy, which is why I don't acknowledge them as canon. Those ships, not the entire EU.

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Saturday, June 10, 2006 9:01 AM

CHRISTHECYNIC


Quote:

Originally posted by SpaceAnJL:
Have you read the article in the 'Serenity' book about the STverse meeting Serenity?

SpaceAnJL


Yeah I have, and it made me feel good that I wasn't alone in finding that situation ... I don't have the right word, but yeah, I've read it.

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Saturday, June 10, 2006 9:32 AM

CHOO1701


Quote:

Originally posted by Epeyon:
Yeah, because the engine adds on a lot, and you don't see the inside of the actual engine, just the part that turns it. And I'm surprised it's bigger than the Millenium Falcon, I always thought they were closer in size. Length wise at least.



The Passenger Dorms (which don't actually FIT!) are in the engine "pod".

So all the workings of the ship (fuel and water storage, thing that makes the outide glow, and the Laundry room...) are fitted in between the Engine Room and the Dorms (not a lot of room...)

Shes a seriously cramped ship (but still better than the Falcon )


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Saturday, June 10, 2006 10:01 AM

EPEYON


Hmm... yeah, the forward opening cargo bay really throws me off when thinking the ships lay out. But yeah, she is cramped. And the designers kept in mind that every piece of space would have to be used well. Like the little push in sink in the crew quarters'.

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Saturday, June 10, 2006 12:41 PM

SAVEWASH

Now I am learning about scary.


Wow, somebody had a lot of time to work on that. It's pretty amazing.


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Sunday, June 11, 2006 5:39 AM

CYBERSNARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Epeyon:
Yeah, quite a few of the EU ships are just crazy, which is why I don't acknowledge them as canon. Those ships, not the entire EU.

Well, in the Sovereign and Eclipse's defense, they were intended to be outfitted with versions of the Death Star's superlaser. Between the power requirements and the firing assembly, that's a good chunk of mass right there.

The World Devastators were entire spaceborn refineries and munitions factories, and the Galaxy Gun. . .

Well, okay, that was just excessive (the real weapons were the hyperspace-capable missiles themselves; the gun was just a ginormous railgun to give them an extra jolt of forward momentum when their hyperdrives engaged).

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Sunday, June 11, 2006 6:39 AM

CHRISTHECYNIC


Quote:

Originally posted by Choo1701:
The Passenger Dorms (which don't actually FIT!)


I've heard people talk about it not fitting before, but I've never seen it. Has anyone ever created a 3-d model of the inside of the ship and overlaid it on a model of the outside of the ship so that those of us who are not skilled at visualizing this stuff could see where and how it doesn't fit?

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Sunday, June 11, 2006 6:50 AM

PENGUIN





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Sunday, June 11, 2006 7:04 AM

CHRISTHECYNIC


Penguin,
That helps not a bit, I already have those images but it means nothing without seeing the outside if the ship in relation to it, as the ship is curved and those rooms are all at different heights you can't really do that in 2-d.

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Sunday, June 11, 2006 7:42 AM

CHOO1701


See what i mean about the dorms not fitting.

Although the one's in the RPG are much more accurate (you can find them on-line SOMEWHERE ...)

Here's a titchy little "photobucket hates big images" one of the RPG deckplans:



Like i said, Photobucket hates big images, and this is VERY detailed...I'll post a link up later...

EDIT: And here's the link: http://home.insightbb.com/~ryan-wolfe/Maps/Serenity.htm Have fun

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Sunday, June 11, 2006 8:02 AM

CHRISTHECYNIC


Quote:

Originally posted by Choo1701:
See what i mean about the dorms not fitting.


No actually.

If that is perfectly to scale than I suppose I might, and that's only might. I mean take the picture, take the passenger dorms and put them over the outside of the ship. They fit inside, but if the scale is perfect they only just barely fit.

Obviously it all depends on the height and altitude of rooms near the edge.

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Monday, June 12, 2006 2:41 AM

SAFEAT2ND


Thanks for the floor plans Choo1701 and Penguin.

The only thing that bothers me about them, is the engine room. I was under the impression that the whole rear engine part was all engine, no room inside.

Safeat2nd, Chief Handyman of Destiny

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Monday, June 12, 2006 5:18 AM

PAGANPAUL


Moya vs. Serenity



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流口水的婊子和猴子的 笨儿子。
Liou coe shway duh biao-tze huh hoe-tze duh bun ur-tze.
"Stupid son of a drooling whore and a monkey."

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Monday, June 12, 2006 5:26 AM

CHRISISALL


I nominate this for the BEST thread of June '06!
Gorram shiny!

Thanks Chrisisall

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Monday, June 12, 2006 5:30 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by christhecynic:

http://members.lycos.co.uk/christhecynic/hpbimg/Size/godzilla%20vs%20k
ing%20kong.JPG



lol, You rock, Chris.

Godzilla Vs. Serenityalon

Chrisisall

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Monday, June 12, 2006 5:33 AM

HERA



Glad you all enjoyed it. It was fun for me too!

Keep it coming!

-Hera

"Wanna?" – Mal to Kaylee, Out of Gas

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Monday, June 12, 2006 10:25 AM

SAFEAT2ND


Ok, try this on for size. I was just monkeying around killing time so don't string me up if it's not exactly to scale.

Just picture the Falcon closer or further away to suit your needs


Safeat2nd, Chief Handyman of Destiny

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Monday, June 12, 2006 10:29 AM

CHOO1701


I like it

ALthough if you wanted to show scale you'd have to put the Falcon overlapping an engine or something on the Serenity (mk 1) Just a tip.

Still:

Wash: I have a bad feeling about this...

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Monday, June 12, 2006 11:54 AM

HERA


My friend at work wrote this for me. Guess he was making fun of the thread, heh.

Quote:

So, I was thinking. After my last Home Depot run... you’d like to come over and see the replica I built in my back yard. My Dad got these boxes from work. Like seriously, a lot of boxes. But, there’s this vacant lot out back where they’re going to build a house and I made a grid that’s probably 1ft. - 20ft. It’s just big enough. Well, I made a replica of Serenity!!! And you can see that the dorms really don’t fit. She’s small on scale already, but anyway, I’ll get my mom to make us some bacon in the microwave, maybe we can camp out tonight...


Funny thing is, the whole time reading it, I was like "man, this sounds like fun!"

Bummer he was kidding.

-Hera

"Wanna?" – Mal to Kaylee, Out of Gas

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Monday, June 12, 2006 12:01 PM

CHRISTHECYNIC


So am I the only person who can't see it when not in three dimensions?

It's just that the dorms aren't all at the same hight and it looks (in 2-d) like they'd just squeeze in there if they at the right height.

I'm not saying I don't believe you guys, I just want to know how much sticks out and where it sticks out because I can't visualize it. Everyone else seems to have no problem with it, at least no one else has said, "I don't see it either."

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Monday, June 12, 2006 12:05 PM

CHRISTHECYNIC


And when I said 3-d model I meant computer model.

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