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Monday, November 13, 2006 1:30 PM

STROKINGMYPETER


Ok, so this afternoon I was listening to some tunes when Cry Baby Cry came on by the Beatles from the second disc of the White Album. Ok, so remember in the pilot episode the lines that Mal and Wash say towards the beginning when they are salvaging the cargo and the alliance cruiser bears down on them??? Remember, "Cry baby cry" from Mal, and then Wash goes "Make your mother sigh"!!!! If you've ever heard Cry Baby Cry by the Beatles then you'll know that those are exactly the first two lines of the song!!!!! Holy crap!!!! Has anybody else ever realized this? I'm gonna feel pretty ridiculous if this is common knowledge.

Anyway, the real question I have is do people still know the Beatles in Joss's verse? I mean that's a pretty big coincidence if you ask me, so by having that scene and those lines is Joss trying to say that the Beatles are so good that they are still widely known 500 years from now? That'd be pretty sweet. Is Joss a big Beatles fan?

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Monday, November 13, 2006 1:55 PM

TEACHDAIRE


I don't know if they know about the Beatles in the 'verse, maybe it was a throwaway from Joss.

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Monday, November 13, 2006 1:58 PM

STROKINGMYPETER


what do you mean by throwaway? you mean he just felt like throwin it in there for chuckles? well that's boring. oh well.

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Monday, November 13, 2006 2:04 PM

TRAVELER


I am sure they will be part of our history for a long time. Along with Elvis, Shakespeare, and many more. One can only imagine what type of audio equipment they will have then. Can you imagine sliping two tiny round plugs in your ears and start listening to Janis Joplin crying out while walking down the street, and no one even knows you oblivious to the sounds around you. Their going to have to pass some laws about that. If the police or fire department come screaming down the street you will need to know. So I bet emergency vehicles will have a transmiter to turn off your ear sets so you will know they are approaching. You probably have a remote on belt to turn it back on set it to the song you were listening to. Maybe the emergency personal can actually broadcast into you set so you who and where their coming from.


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Monday, November 13, 2006 2:13 PM

STROKINGMYPETER


well that would be pretty sweet. i don't know about janis joplin....but yeah.

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Monday, November 13, 2006 2:19 PM

YINYANG

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I don't think it's necessarily that the Beatles are still remembered 500 years from now, but that the crew of Serenity, although working many illegal jobs, are very well educated. Maybe it's just because we only follow the crew, but I haven't picked up on any references from now that didn't come out of the mouth of Mal and Co.

Or... perhaps their knowledge isn't considered "high society" (like Shakespeare's plays back in his day).

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Monday, November 13, 2006 2:47 PM

TRAVELER


Well that probably is the answer. The Beatles are for the masses. In Ariel the who's who danced to something from the 18th century. So us shmuckes who sweat for a living listen to Beach Boys or Hank Williams.


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Monday, November 13, 2006 3:15 PM

STROKINGMYPETER


huh? what's the answer?

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Monday, November 13, 2006 3:26 PM

WIICUBE


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Originally posted by strokingmypeter:
huh? what's the answer?



That's its known, just not talked about much. Just like stuff similar to "The Rime of the Ancient Mariner" these days (old poem - everyone has heard about it, but no one talks about it).

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Monday, November 13, 2006 3:30 PM

YINYANG

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Originally posted by WiiCube:
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Originally posted by strokingmypeter:
huh? what's the answer?



That's its known, just not talked about much. Just like stuff similar to "The Rime of the Ancient Mariner" these days (old poem - everyone has heard about it, but no one talks about it).



Or, that Joss just likes it, so he put stuff like that in whenever he felt (just to see if we were paying attention). Or...

Really, you could get a hundred answers for this, and it's almost all speculation unless it comes from an official printed material or Joss.

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Monday, November 13, 2006 3:33 PM

DAVESHAYNE


From the Serenity: Official Visual Companion (page 30), "500 years from now, the Beatles will still be remembered, though they will often be misspelled." So it's official - the 'Verse knows the Beatles.

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Monday, November 13, 2006 4:59 PM

REDNAX


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Anyway, the real question I have is do people still know the Beatles in Joss's verse? I mean that's a pretty big coincidence if you ask me, so by having that scene and those lines is Joss trying to say that the Beatles are so good that they are still widely known 500 years from now? That'd be pretty sweet. Is Joss a big Beatles fan?


IIRC In the Serenity Visual companion there's a bit by Joss about music where he mentions the Beatles, so the quote is deliberate.

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Monday, November 13, 2006 5:18 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


Sorry.

I knew it when I saw the pilot


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Monday, November 13, 2006 5:30 PM

ASORTAFAIRYTALE


Hehe, I think that's kinda cool. I never even noticed it.
But then I've also never really been a big fan of the Beatles either...

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Monday, November 13, 2006 5:31 PM

LAOSHI


What about that line from Jaynestown. Jayne says to one of the mudders: You fought the law huh? Isn't that a reference to a song? It goes something like this:

I fought the law
and the law won
I needed money
cause I had none
I fought the law
and the law won

I'm sure people will kick me for not knowing the name of the song or who its by. But it did go through my head when he sid that line.

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Monday, November 13, 2006 5:36 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


Quote:

Originally posted by laoshi:
What about that line from Jaynestown. Jayne says to one of the mudders: You fought the law huh? Isn't that a reference to a song? It goes something like this:

I fought the law
and the law won
I needed money
cause I had none
I fought the law
and the law won

I'm sure people will kick me for not knowing the name of the song or who its by. But it did go through my head when he sid that line.

Alliance n. In international politics, the union of two thieves who have their hands so deeply inserted in each other's pocket that they cannot separately plunder a third. -Ambrose Bierce



Sonny Curtis - I fought the law

The Clash I believe

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Monday, November 13, 2006 5:55 PM

MARTIANWAY


Shiny. I think Joss throws in stuff from everywhere; here's one I noticed.

Hamlet trying to teach R&G how to play the flute; says it's "easy as lying".

Kaylee, trying to explain the train job to Simon, also says it's "easy as lying".

And I've never heard that expression anywhere else. At any rate, I like the idea of Shakespeare in the 'verse.

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Monday, November 13, 2006 7:30 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


gotta 'fess up - I didn't know the Beatles quote, never heard that particular song. My wife told me about it.

From the delivery, I don't think Mal necessarily knows-- he's just wishing a little encouragement on their gadjet.

But Wash, does, obviously, and picks up on it. Another cool thing about WAsh....

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Monday, November 13, 2006 11:27 PM

EVILBUNGLE


I always thought that it was kind of a mist of time saying, people know it (maybe said to children) but people don't know the origin, like many old wives tales and nursery rhymes we have.

but if Joss says the Beatles are well known then I guess I'll go with him I did always like my idea though as it showed links to our world but still showed how different they were.


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Tuesday, November 14, 2006 12:52 AM

BABYWITHTHEPOWER


Quote:

Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
From the delivery, I don't think Mal necessarily knows-- he's just wishing a little encouragement on their gadjet.

But Wash, does, obviously, and picks up on it. Another cool thing about WAsh....



Actually, in situations like that, military or otherwise, codes are often used incase someone is listening in on the transmission. The device they dropped was called a Cry Baby (aptly named because it broadcasts a distress signal) so the code for deployment was "Cry baby cry." Well to keep up with the cover, Wash obviously couldn't say 'Acknowledged' or something similar, so his code phrase to indicate he was initiating was "Make your mama sigh". It's common to use lines from movies, songs and even poetry in code phrases.

Though it's possible Mal and Wash didn't know exactly where it was from, atributing it, as EVILBUNGLE did, to something akin to an old wives tale or nursery rhyme and the like, I think it was more probable that they did.

I hope that all made sense. I just got off a 3 hour conference call and my mind is fried.

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Tuesday, November 14, 2006 2:30 AM

RIVERGIRL


for sure I think Joss is a Beatles fan

I remember reading somewhere the Lassitur gun in trash was originally supposed to be THE WHITE ALBUM--some legal thing prevented it

Also, I can kill you with my brain.

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Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:20 AM

CYBERSNARK


Quote:

Originally posted by daveshayne:
From the Serenity: Official Visual Companion (page 30), "500 years from now, the Beatles will still be remembered, though they will often be misspelled." So it's official - the 'Verse knows the Beatles.

Technically, the 'verse knows the "Beetles."

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Originally posted by EvilBungle:
I always thought that it was kind of a mist of time saying, people know it (maybe said to children) but people don't know the origin, like many old wives tales and nursery rhymes we have.

Like "from the mouths of babes." (One of the Star Trek: New Frontier novels had Excaliber's whole command staff trying to figure out exactly how that line was supposed to continue, 'cause nobody on the whole damn ship knew. Starfleet's finest. )

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Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:39 AM

DAVESHAYNE


Quote:

Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Quote:

Originally posted by daveshayne:
From the Serenity: Official Visual Companion (page 30), "500 years from now, the Beatles will still be remembered, though they will often be misspelled." So it's official - the 'Verse knows the Beatles.

Technically, the 'verse knows the "Beetles."



Only when misspelling.

Quote:

Quote:

Originally posted by EvilBungle:
I always thought that it was kind of a mist of time saying, people know it (maybe said to children) but people don't know the origin, like many old wives tales and nursery rhymes we have.

Like "from the mouths of babes." (One of the Star Trek: New Frontier novels had Excaliber's whole command staff trying to figure out exactly how that line was supposed to continue, 'cause nobody on the whole damn ship knew. Starfleet's finest. )



How many people now know the context of that quote? I don't.

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Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:49 PM

ASARIAN


Quote:

Originally posted by rivergirl:

I remember reading somewhere the Lassitur gun in trash was originally supposed to be THE WHITE ALBUM--some legal thing prevented it




If memory serves well, the Lassiter was called "The Mexican" in earlier shooting scripts. Oddly enough, fireflywiki.org suggest for possible origin of the name a gold-digger called Harold Bell Lasseter. My friend Rhyianan is right, however; she told me the Lassiter was so named in homage to Pixar's John Lassiter, for whom Joss has done much work.


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Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:29 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by asarian:


If memory serves well, the Lassiter was called "The Mexican" in earlier shooting scripts. Oddly enough, fireflywiki.org suggest for possible origin of the name a gold-digger called Harold Bell Lasseter. My friend Rhyianan is right, however; she told me the Lassiter was so named in homage to Pixar's John Lassiter, for whom Joss has done much work.


It slipped thru into performance -- one of the characters calls it that, during the dining room table scene.
I thought that was a "whoops!", thought Joss ripped off the story idea from the movie of the same name.
Shame on me. I'm bad...

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