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Citizen is a Genius!

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Friday, February 16, 2007 7:39 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


All hail the omnicience that is the mighty Citizen!

Bow before him and his unwavering truth!

This is the thread dedicated to all things great about Citizen, which is to say everything about Citizen!

Only good things will be said about Citizen as we have no tolerance for untruths in this sacred thread. If you believe in any false Gods turn back now, for you are not welcome here.

Kneel before the divine and almighty Citizen, and beg his forgiveness for your ignorance!

And he's the sexiest guy in here too, BTW ladies.

May I submit that he is fff.net's most eligable batchleor as well?

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Friday, February 16, 2007 7:56 PM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.


Quote:

(From the tags) citizen: Oh, start a thread that says "Citizen is an idiot" that's worked before too.


Reverse psychology... interesting. Maybe Citizen really is a genius.


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Friday, February 16, 2007 8:14 PM

MAI


Took you long enough to figure that out, didn't it? (Not that I care, but watch your robot head, it might go missing!)








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Friday, February 16, 2007 8:18 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Domo arigato Mai Mai Roboto



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Friday, February 16, 2007 8:19 PM

OATH


Domo

DOMO

Domo

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Friday, February 16, 2007 8:23 PM

MAI


Wait a minute, I just re-read the intro to this thread. I'm sorry to disapoint you, but I don't think I can be that nice. In fact, I will say something not nice about Citizen for the whole site to see! (Sometimes, he doesn't share the cookies) There, I've done it! Quick kick me out of the thread if you must. Plus, I'm really scared now that you've quoted a crap 70's (or was it 80's) song at me. I'll be over in the corner quivering with fear.

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Friday, February 16, 2007 8:27 PM

OATH



Styx is not just a river in Hell, you know! And I think it's 80's. If it isn't, it should be.

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Friday, February 16, 2007 8:59 PM

BABYWITHTHEPOWER


Quote:

Originally posted by mai:
Plus, I'm really scared now that you've quoted a crap 70's (or was it 80's) song at me.


Crap? Are you out of your gourd? You wouldn't know good music if it bit you. I bet you're a country fan.

Quote:

Originally posted by Oath:
Styx is not just a river in Hell, you know! And I think it's 80's. If it isn't, it should be.


Styx wasn't a river in Hell, it was the river one had to take to get to the Underworld, which was neither Heaven nor Hell, and yet both. If you're going to insult a band, at least be accurate.

Oh, and All Hail Citizen!

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Friday, February 16, 2007 9:03 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


I've often gotten some good info from citizen. He's a cool guy. Helped me with my photoshopping skills. Don't see much of him as I don't lurk the Real World boards. Those things are scary. But if he can take it, good for him!

And also, the River Styx is in fact mentioned as one of the circles of hell in Dante's Inferno. The fifth, I think. Don't quite remember anymore. Could check the old Forsaken threads when we had one named for or referring to each circle and get back to you.


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Friday, February 16, 2007 9:16 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Wait a minute, I just re-read the intro to this thread. I'm sorry to disapoint you, but I don't think I can be that nice. In fact, I will say something not nice about Citizen for the whole site to see! (Sometimes, he doesn't share the cookies) There, I've done it! Quick kick me out of the thread if you must. Plus, I'm really scared now that you've quoted a crap 70's (or was it 80's) song at me. I'll be over in the corner quivering with fear.



No need to fear the reference. I was saying "Thank you very much Mei Mei Roboto"......

But you have scorned the Almighty Citizen and you shall feel the wrath of the Great Citizen, and I can only pity you now because I know that it will be very very very not plesant. And now you will never get any cookies again!

And Styx is freakin great! You have scourned the Almight Stix and shall feel the wrath of the Great Styx!

I don't know... I really like the line in that song where he says "Thank you very much, Mr. Roboto, for doin' the jobs nobody wants to".

It reminds me of "I Robot" with Will Smith and the current attitude between Americans and Mexicans. That's what we think of them, that's what our politicians say about them.... and yet, just like Mr. Roboto (Killroy) came back to make everyone regret it, the Mexicans have been going to college and getting into pretty high ranking political positions and have been changing our nation from the inside. It's the same thing that happened to the African American slaves we had here too.

Pretty poetic and prophetic and telling of the past that song was.... I think it's pure Genius!

The Great Citizen actually wrote it! Thanks again Almighty Citizen!

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Friday, February 16, 2007 9:18 PM

BABYWITHTHEPOWER


You are correct, Dante's inferno refers to Styx as a vast swamp which encompassed the 5th circle of Hell.

But long before Dante, let alone the advent of Chistianity, Styx was simply the river that brought you to the gates of the Underworld.

I guess this was just another example of Christianity trying to make it easier for those forced into following their beliefs by writing their gods/goddesses/beliefs into the cannon.

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Friday, February 16, 2007 11:30 PM

SIMONWHO


Actually, he is borderline genius. And a nice guy. And he can do kick-ass 3D renderings. And he knows karate. And he's funny.

But hey, if he outwitted you umpteen times and you want to have a tantrum, there's a naughty step just waiting for you.

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Friday, February 16, 2007 11:37 PM

KHYRON


Quote:

Originally posted by SimonWho:
But hey, if he outwitted you umpteen times and you want to have a tantrum...

Yep, that pretty much sums up what the purpose of this thread seems to be. Pretty childish.

Mai, I've heard rumours that Citizen also ate the last strawberries! I'm not saying it's true, but, you know, rumours never lie.



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Friday, February 16, 2007 11:55 PM

MAZAEN


Well I have had a disagreement with citizen once. I could say from this disagreement that he does seem to be intelligent, knows a lot of stuff, and has a healthy diet as he doesn't eat chocolate easter eggs, but sexy no.

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Saturday, February 17, 2007 12:09 AM

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Of course he's a genius but can I be one of ff.nets most Eligible Bachelor too.

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Saturday, February 17, 2007 12:12 AM

MAI


Oh all right, I will fess up. It's not true. Sometimes Citizen DOES share the cookies. I just couldn't think of anything else bad to say about the guy. He's a good egg, that one. I like him!

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Saturday, February 17, 2007 12:37 AM

PEULSAR5

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
All hail the omnicience that is the mighty Citizen!

Bow before him and his unwavering truth!

This is the thread dedicated to all things great about Citizen, which is to say everything about Citizen!

Only good things will be said about Citizen as we have no tolerance for untruths in this sacred thread. If you believe in any false Gods turn back now, for you are not welcome here.

Kneel before the divine and almighty Citizen, and beg his forgiveness for your ignorance!

And he's the sexiest guy in here too, BTW ladies.

May I submit that he is fff.net's most eligable batchleor as well?

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Gifted, I believe is the term.

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Saturday, February 17, 2007 1:04 AM

CITIZEN


To this thread I say, "for the love of whatever it happens to be you believe in" *eyeroll*

Hi Mai:
What's up. Last time I shared the Cookies you nearly died, so you know public service.

SimonWho:
What the F**k do you mean borderline?

BabyWithThePower:
Even here we can find informative snippets. Though I have to agree with PR too, I think the river Styxs is mentioned in Dante's Inferno, but then the Devil was modelled on Ba'al, and Dante's Inferno isn't wildly adhered to since the lowest level of Hell is very cold, not very hot.

Mazaen:
No hard feelings I hope, I realise I can be a bastard

Oh except I can't because I have to be perfect, but I'm so perfect I can't recognise my own perfection or something.



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Saturday, February 17, 2007 1:40 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Peulsar5:
Gifted, I believe is the term.



I stand corrected. Yes, Citizen is very gifted. And well endowed.

Come on Cit, give her a damn cookie already.

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Saturday, February 17, 2007 1:50 AM

BABYWITHTHEPOWER


Quote:

Originally posted by SimonWho:
But hey, if he outwitted you umpteen times and you want to have a tantrum, there's a naughty step just waiting for you.


He's a nice guy, of that you can be sure, but I've never seen him outwit anyone.

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Saturday, February 17, 2007 1:55 AM

BABYWITHTHEPOWER


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
BabyWithThePower:
Even here we can find informative snippets. Though I have to agree with PR too, I think the river Styxs is mentioned in Dante's Inferno, but then the Devil was modelled on Ba'al, and Dante's Inferno isn't wildly adhered to since the lowest level of Hell is very cold, not very hot.


I know, I conceded that to her, though it was under duress as I hate seeing old myths/beliefs bastardized by the new regime. "Hey, let's work this into our beliefs so it's easier to force them on these people." Yeah, not a big fan.

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Saturday, February 17, 2007 2:14 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by babywiththepower:
I know, I conceded that to her, though it was under duress as I hate seeing old myths/beliefs bastardized by the new regime. "Hey, let's work this into our beliefs so it's easier to force them on these people." Yeah, not a big fan.

Yeah I saw, just saying. Personally I'm not particularly happy with it, but then that's pretty much what Christianity is now, there's not one Christian tradition, they're all borrowed from earlier sources, as is much of the mythology, especially some of the things seen as uniquely Christian. It think that's probably true of most religions, they are in their own way a brand name and they need to play to their demographic in order to gain 'subscribers'



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Saturday, February 17, 2007 2:18 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Even the infamous Smug Smartass comes here to ask the great Citizen a question.

There has been much reference to Dante's Inferno.

Is it a divine, theological work, with Biblical authority, or is it simply a fine and powerful work of fiction with a theological theme?

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Saturday, February 17, 2007 2:24 AM

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Saturday, February 17, 2007 4:48 AM

CAPNRAHN


Quote:

Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Even the infamous Smug Smartass comes here to ask the great Citizen a question.

There has been much reference to Dante's Inferno.

Is it a divine, theological work, with Biblical authority, or is it simply a fine and powerful work of fiction with a theological theme?

I shall brave incurring the wrath of great and mighty Citizen by answering: The last.

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Saturday, February 17, 2007 5:45 AM

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Quote:

And he's the sexiest guy in here too, BTW ladies.

May I submit that he is fff.net's most eligable batchleor as well?



I'm I one of ff.nets most eligable batchleors too or is it just Citizen

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Saturday, February 17, 2007 6:14 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by Darkfly:
I'm I one of ff.nets most eligable batchleors too or is it just Citizen

I'm pretty sure your allowed

Quote:

Originally posted by NEWOLDBROWNCOAT:
Is it a divine, theological work, with Biblical authority, or is it simply a fine and powerful work of fiction with a theological theme?

I'll have to second CapnRahn's emotion on that.




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Saturday, February 17, 2007 6:14 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by Causal:
Citz: (because I haven't seen you lately)

Hey man, hows tricks?

You trying to cause trouble again? Wouldn't catch me doing that!



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Saturday, February 17, 2007 7:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
Yeah I saw, just saying. Personally I'm not particularly happy with it, but then that's pretty much what Christianity is now, there's not one Christian tradition, they're all borrowed from earlier sources, as is much of the mythology, especially some of the things seen as uniquely Christian. It think that's probably true of most religions, they are in their own way a brand name and they need to play to their demographic in order to gain 'subscribers'



Just for the sake of pointing it out, religion's 'borrowing' from one another isn't, in fact the only conclusion that we can draw from the similarities. It's also conceivable that the similarities stem from a shared truth, which each religion gets slightly wrong.

Discussing which of these it is, of course, is where the fun creeps in xD

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Saturday, February 17, 2007 7:29 AM

CHRISISALL


Well, I'll say something bad about Citizen!!!
HE HAS NEVER FORMALLY STUDIED WING CHUN!!!
There, I said it. Shocking as it may be.

Other than that, he's an all right dude, and a righteous, er...citizen.

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Saturday, February 17, 2007 7:35 AM

ASORTAFAIRYTALE


From what I've seen, Citizen is a very smart guy, and he likes to debate about stuff and support his opinions, which is pretty much the point of the Real World Discussions. Course, I don't really go there 'cause I agree with PhoenixRose that they tend to get scary. If you don't like that sort of thing then just stay out of them, it's not that hard really...

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Saturday, February 17, 2007 7:43 AM

CAUSAL


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
Quote:

Originally posted by Causal:
Citz: (because I haven't seen you lately)

Hey man, hows tricks?

You trying to cause trouble again? Wouldn't catch me doing that!



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Saturday, February 17, 2007 7:46 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by Oddsbodskins:
Just for the sake of pointing it out, religion's 'borrowing' from one another isn't, in fact the only conclusion that we can draw from the similarities. It's also conceivable that the similarities stem from a shared truth, which each religion gets slightly wrong.

Discussing which of these it is, of course, is where the fun creeps in xD

Not really, we've got documentation of where a lot of them came from and how they got there.

Though personally I do somewhat hold to that Idea. Like muse says in Dogma:
"When are you people going to learn? It's not about who's right or wrong. No denomination's nailed it yet, and they never will because they're all too self-righteous to realize that it doesn't matter what you have faith in, just that you have faith. Your hearts are in the right place, but your brains need to wake up."

Though I also like this one from that film:
"Rufus: He still digs humanity, but it bothers Him to see the shit that gets carried out in His name - wars, bigotry, televangelism. But especially the factioning of all the religions. He said humanity took a good idea and, like always, built a belief structure on it.
Bethany: Having beliefs isn't good?
Rufus: I think it's better to have ideas. You can change an idea. Changing a belief is trickier. Life should malleable and progressive; working from idea to idea permits that. Beliefs anchor you to certain points and limit growth; new ideas can't generate. Life becomes stagnant."



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Saturday, February 17, 2007 7:48 AM

KANEMAN


I think Citz is a tea sipping limey dildo. He looks like some sorta bug-eyed tree toad and his personality is about as dry as his grandmother's crotch. Well, this is my opinion.....I'm sure it's pretty accurate. The only uglier Browncoat is probably PR....Think about that!!!!!

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Saturday, February 17, 2007 7:53 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
HE HAS NEVER FORMALLY STUDIED WING CHUN!!!

With Nam Yang Style I'll kick your arse.



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Saturday, February 17, 2007 7:54 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by Causal:
My new goal in life is to have a pro-me thread that is really actually a sarcastic anti-me thread that turns into a real pro-me thread. Where's out2theblack? Maybe he'll start one...

I'll start one for you. The Casual is really great and doesn't at all smell like cheese thread?



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Saturday, February 17, 2007 7:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
Not really, we've got documentation of where a lot of them came from and how they got there.

Though personally I do somewhat hold to that Idea. Like muse says in Dogma:
"When are you people going to learn? It's not about who's right or wrong. No denomination's nailed it yet, and they never will because they're all too self-righteous to realize that it doesn't matter what you have faith in, just that you have faith. Your hearts are in the right place, but your brains need to wake up."

Though I also like this one from that film:
"Rufus: He still digs humanity, but it bothers Him to see the shit that gets carried out in His name - wars, bigotry, televangelism. But especially the factioning of all the religions. He said humanity took a good idea and, like always, built a belief structure on it.
Bethany: Having beliefs isn't good?
Rufus: I think it's better to have ideas. You can change an idea. Changing a belief is trickier. Life should malleable and progressive; working from idea to idea permits that. Beliefs anchor you to certain points and limit growth; new ideas can't generate. Life becomes stagnant."





Oh documentation or not, a little bit of effort could see a good few hours mileage out of that discussion

I shall not! I'm being good you see, and trying to only discuss things from points of view I agree with, I'm told it makes me a less argumentative and generally better person (even if it is less fun...)

So I take it you're something of a theist, you just aren't quite of a thought-process with the religion's kicking around? (or is it more that you like the idea of them all agreeing to disagree and getting along?)

Gods are great. But the heart is greater, for it is from the heart they come, and to the heart they shall return.

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Saturday, February 17, 2007 7:58 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
"When are you people going to learn? It's not about who's right or wrong. No denomination's nailed it yet, and they never will because they're all too self-righteous to realize that it doesn't matter what you have faith in, just that you have faith. Your hearts are in the right place, but your brains need to wake up."

"Rufus: He still digs humanity, but it bothers Him to see the shit that gets carried out in His name - wars, bigotry, televangelism. But especially the factioning of all the religions. He said humanity took a good idea and, like always, built a belief structure on it.
Bethany: Having beliefs isn't good?
Rufus: I think it's better to have ideas. You can change an idea. Changing a belief is trickier. Life should malleable and progressive; working from idea to idea permits that. Beliefs anchor you to certain points and limit growth; new ideas can't generate. Life becomes stagnant."


Kevin Smith sure has it nailed, doesn't he? Excellent choice of quotes!


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Saturday, February 17, 2007 8:04 AM

CAUSAL


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
I'll start one for you. The Causal is really great and doesn't at all smell like cheese thread?



Right, but I'm thinking something like: "Causal--Not as Ugly as You Might Think!"

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Saturday, February 17, 2007 8:08 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Causal:
Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
I'll start one for you. The Causal is really great and doesn't at all smell like cheese thread?



Right, but I'm thinking something like: "Causal--Not as Ugly as You Might Think!"



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Saturday, February 17, 2007 8:09 AM

CAUSAL


Oh yeah! I've been working out, though--next year it'll be four out of ten!

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Saturday, February 17, 2007 8:13 AM

ODDSBODSKINS


Quote:

Originally posted by Causal:
Oh yeah! I've been working out, though--next year it'll be four out of ten!




DUDE! Sweet!

make sure to rub yourself with four-week-old fishheads before you go in to meet the panel, should get it down to 3 xD

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Saturday, February 17, 2007 8:26 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by Causal:
Right, but I'm thinking something like: "Causal--Not as Ugly as You Might Think!"

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=27131&m=453698#453698





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Saturday, February 17, 2007 9:10 AM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.


I love Dogma! Citizen quoted Dogma! Does that mean I love Citizen?




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Saturday, February 17, 2007 10:26 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by yinyang:
I love Dogma! Citizen quoted Dogma! Does that mean I love Citizen?


Well you're only Human, and as Jack says I do have a body that makes men wet.



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Saturday, February 17, 2007 10:35 AM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.


Well, since Jack saw you first... I guess I'll just have to wait until the next life, then.


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Saturday, February 17, 2007 11:05 AM

CITIZEN


He'll be thrilled



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Saturday, February 17, 2007 11:09 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


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Originally posted by Oddsbodskins:
Quote:

It's also conceivable that the similarities stem from a shared truth, which each religion gets slightly wrong.



But how can that be?

My religion can't even be slightly wrong about anything. They told me so. :<)

Aren't they all-knowing and innerrant?

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Saturday, February 17, 2007 11:26 AM

MAI


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Hi Mai:
What's up. Last time I shared the Cookies you nearly died, so you know public service.



Hi!

Yes, the cookies nearly killed, but it was your GENIUS (see I can stay on topic too!) that suggested the alternative cookie as a sort of posion control. So yay!


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Saturday, February 17, 2007 11:27 AM

CALHOUN


We gotta go to the crazy thread where I am the sexy genius!

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