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Unification Day

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Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:42 PM

RALLEM


In the Verse they celebrate the Unification Day to commemerate the day the Alliance won the war, and in the United States of America we do not have a unification day like that, but did we ever and it simply fell out of fashion?



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Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:58 PM

VETERAN

Don't squat with your spurs on.


Good question.

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Wednesday, November 28, 2007 4:03 PM

PEULSAR5

We sniff the air, we don't kiss the dirt.


Ironic how we have no Unification Day, but we have an Independence Day.

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Wednesday, November 28, 2007 4:19 PM

KIRKULES


We don't celebrate Unification in the US because it came at the cost of thousands of our southern brothers lives. Instead we morn their loss on Memorial Day.

"Memorial Day, originally called Decoration Day, honors United States' armed services personnel killed during wartime.
The first Memorial Day was formally observed on May 30, 1868 in commemoration of the soldiers killed during the Civil War."

"Rock Chalk, Jayhawk, KU"

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Wednesday, November 28, 2007 4:28 PM

RALLEM


Thank you. I thought it might have something to do with Lincoln's stance to not rub the South's face in any dirt over it becasue it would make becoming one nation again even more difficult. Although several people did go down there and take advantage of their situation.


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Wednesday, November 28, 2007 7:16 PM

NCBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by rallem:
Thank you. I thought it might have something to do with Lincoln's stance to not rub the South's face in any dirt over it becasue it would make becoming one nation again even more difficult. Although several people did go down there and take advantage of their situation.




It was more than "several people". The death of Lincoln changd the way the South was treated after the Civil War.

His Vice-President, Andrew Johnson, became President after Lincoln's assination and unsuccessfully tried to implement Lincoln's Reconstruction policies. He wasn't trusted because he was originally from North Carolina and was the first President impeached and tried in the Senate. He wasn't convicted but was ineffectual for the rest of his term.

The South was filled with Northerners buying land and other property from now bankrupt Southerners. They also dominated the state legislatures and passed many taxes and other laws.

This lasted only a few years though. There was a fierce back lash from the Southerners and the result was Jim Crow laws, the KKK, segregation etc.

If Reconstruction had happened like Lincoln wanted it to happen, maybe the South's poverty, segregation and the generally horrible situation would have been better.

Our progress has been significant in the past 20 years or so. Segregation is officially gone, although I still see the old attitudes in people of a certain age. The economy is moving from farming and industries like textiles and furniture (especially here in NC) to things like computers and biotechnology, but things are still slower than in other areas of the country.

And we are having a new "invasion" of Northerners that come here for jobs and to escape the high taxes and real estate prices of the Northeast when they retire.

This time though we laugh as we complain about the "damm Yankees" and smile with glee when their children grown up with a Southern accent and have an obsession with ACC basketball and NASCAR.

Sorry I got on a history rant. I guess it's the American Studies major in me or the fact that here in the South history is such a presence in our lives and we are reminded of it daily. We're still far from perfect and there's lots of room for improvement in all areas but I'd never live in any other place.


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Wednesday, November 28, 2007 7:56 PM

PHYRELIGHT


I don't think an American U-Day would be a good thing. Believe it or not, there are still a lot of people here in the South who are still sore over the loss of the Civil War (142 years ago). There are still a lot of places here that didn't celebrate until recently or still don't recognize it at all. My school system wouldn't let classes out for that holiday until I was in middle school (a little more than 10 years ago). And, if I had a nickel for every time I've head "The South will rise again," I would be very very rich.

My great-great grandfather was a Confederate soldier and he fought at Gettysburg and was wounded. If he had died no one on my father's side of the family would exist. To be honest, sometimes the reason I like Firefly so much is because Mal reminds me of what I've read about on my great-great grandpa. (He was a farmer who went to war and came back to find a skeleton of his home.)

And, I'm not big on the idea of a second civil war at all, but some how an "American Unification Day" sounds insulting. Probably why my school system wouldn't celebrate it until recently. I would be tempted to go out and start a few bar brawls myself! (And I don't like going into bars.)



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Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:28 PM

FOLLOWMAL


Quote:

Originally posted by Kirkules:
We don't celebrate Unification in the US because it came at the cost of thousands of our southern brothers lives. Instead we morn their loss on Memorial Day.

"Memorial Day, originally called Decoration Day, honors United States' armed services personnel killed during wartime.
The first Memorial Day was formally observed on May 30, 1868 in commemoration of the soldiers killed during the Civil War."

"Rock Chalk, Jayhawk, KU"



I live in a county in Missouri that seceded from Missouri because of it's Southern convictions during the civil war. ( The rest of Missouri went Northern. ) So my young lifetime was imbued with Southern tradition and I still see it around me every day. I call myself a Southerner. Yet I was raised by folks whose folks fought on the Northern side of the war and I am a firm believer in what that terrible war brought to us and in the progress that the South is making now. So when I say this please understand my position.

We don't celebrate Unification in the US because it came at the cost of thousands of our southern and northern brother's lives. The brave African-American troops who fought as well. Instead we mourn all of their lives on Memorial Day. And all the other brave men and women who have given their lives so that we may talk freely and live freely in this great country.

To hear our Captain read a bit of The Softwire: Virus on Orbis 1 click on the link. Follow the links from there to see how you can help kids read.
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Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:23 PM

VETERAN

Don't squat with your spurs on.


Quote:

Originally posted by ncbrowncoat:
Originally posted by rallem:
....Sorry I got on a history rant.



Believe me, that did not come off as a rant. If you're inclined to find some rantings see if you can find the 'Big Messy Civil War Thread." Lot's in there... some really good historical discussions too.

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Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:58 PM

KIRKULES


Quote:

Originally posted by FollowMal:

I live in a county in Missouri that seceded from Missouri because of it's Southern convictions during the civil war. ( The rest of Missouri went Northern. ) So my young lifetime was imbued with Southern tradition and I still see it around me every day. I call myself a Southerner. Yet I was raised by folks whose folks fought on the Northern side of the war and I am a firm believer in what that terrible war brought to us and in the progress that the South is making now. So when I say this please understand my position.

We don't celebrate Unification in the US because it came at the cost of thousands of our southern and northern brother's lives. The brave African-American troops who fought as well. Instead we mourn all of their lives on Memorial Day. And all the other brave men and women who have given their lives so that we may talk freely and live freely in this great country.



Followmal,
It sounds to me like we agree completely. You may have got the impression that my comment was coming from a southern perspective which is not the case. I was raised across the border in Kansas where John Brown is the State hero and I learned early in life of the events of "Bleeding Kansas" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleeding_Kansas that may have precipitated the war. I live in the south now were many refer to the war as "the war of northern aggression" because they sincerely believe the war was about States rights and not slavery. I don't buy this argument even though I realise that only a very small fraction of southerner ever owned slaves. To this day many in the south will still tell you "May have been on the losing side, still not sure it was the wrong side".



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Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:32 PM

NCBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by FollowMal:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kirkules:
We don't celebrate Unification in the US because it came at the cost of thousands of our southern brothers lives. Instead we morn their loss on Memorial Day.

"Memorial Day, originally called Decoration Day, honors United States' armed services personnel killed during wartime.
The first Memorial Day was formally observed on May 30, 1868 in commemoration of the soldiers killed during the Civil War."

"Rock Chalk, Jayhawk, KU"



I live in a county in Missouri that seceded from Missouri because of it's Southern convictions during the civil war. ( The rest of Missouri went Northern. ) So my young lifetime was imbued with Southern tradition and I still see it around me every day. I call myself a Southerner. Yet I was raised by folks whose folks fought on the Northern side of the war and I am a firm believer in what that terrible war brought to us and in the progress that the South is making now. So when I say this please understand my position.

We don't celebrate Unification in the US because it came at the cost of thousands of our southern and northern brother's lives. The brave African-American troops who fought as well. Instead we mourn all of their lives on Memorial Day. And all the other brave men and women who have given their lives so that we may talk freely and live freely in this great country.

To hear our Captain read a bit of The Softwire: Virus on Orbis 1 click on the link. Follow the links from there to see how you can help kids read.
www.myspace.com/kidsneedtoread


http://www.amazon.com/Serenity-Collectors-Nathan-Fillion/dp/B000Q9IZ5C







Here here! FollowMal, you really put it so well.

I finished "The Killer Angels" a few weeks ago and it's a book Joss read and based parts of Firefly on it. I would recommend it to anyone who wants to know more about the war and Gettysburg in particular.





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