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The Miranda Warning

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Wednesday, July 9, 2008 1:31 PM

WYTCHCROFT


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ok so me colour me limey

but i had NO IDEA that:

In the United States, the Miranda warning is a warning given by police to criminal suspects in police custody, or in a custodial situation, before they are asked questions relating to the commission of a crime. A custodial situation is where the suspect's freedom of movement is restrained although he or she is not under arrest.
quote from wikipedia

D'oh!

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Wednesday, July 9, 2008 1:41 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


1. You have the right to remain silent and refuse to answer questions. Do you understand?
2. Anything you do say may be used against you in a court of law. Do you understand?
3. You have the right to consult an attorney before speaking to the police and to have an attorney present during questioning now or in the future. Do you understand?
4. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you before any questioning if you wish. Do you understand?
5. If you decide to answer questions now without an attorney present you will still have the right to stop answering at any time until you talk to an attorney. Do you understand?
6. Knowing and understanding your rights as I have explained them to you, are you willing to answer my questions without an attorney present?



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Wednesday, July 9, 2008 1:48 PM

WYTCHCROFT


i know the spiel (koff!)
but being a dimster had never heard it called The Miranda Warning before!

so much for my Criminology Studies!

um, i'll be in the corner now...
and, uh, can i copy your answers after school??

(it's an interesting one tho' huh?)

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Wednesday, July 9, 2008 1:59 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


Quote:

Originally posted by wytchcroft:


so much for my Criminology Studies!



what school was that?

I think it the UK it is something like - You have the right to remain silent but it may harm your defence if you do not mention now something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say will be taken down in writing and may be given in evidence. Do you understand?

or TELL US OR WE WILL BEAT IT OUT OF YOU! LOL

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Wednesday, July 9, 2008 2:52 PM

JADEHAND


I've never heard it called the Miranda Warning. With a family member in law enforcement and many many years of watching cop shows, it's always been the Miranda rights. "Read them their Miranda Rights" often shortened to "Read them their rights."


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Wednesday, July 9, 2008 3:44 PM

TRAVELER


I've simply heard called Miranda, Mirandising, or Mirandised. Never heard the word "warning" attached to it.

As in "Did you give him the Miranda?"


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Wednesday, July 9, 2008 3:52 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


Thats weird. We learned about it in AP Goverment as The Miranda Warning. One can, of course, be Mirandized.

eta - it comes from Miranda vs Arizona a case from the 60's



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Wednesday, July 9, 2008 4:01 PM

TRAVELER


That's my problem. I'm so old Miranda didn't start till I was out of school and therefore never learned the proper term. I just watch COPS and see how the police always find the bag or needle the poor fool tried to stash in the weeds.


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Wednesday, July 9, 2008 4:03 PM

MISSTRESSAHARA


I've always heard it as your Miranda Rights. Watch enough cop shows you hear these things.

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Wednesday, July 9, 2008 4:24 PM

SIGMANUNKI


Given the the definition given in the OP does not mean that the person is under arrest (explicitly) then I imagine that Miranda warning and Miranda rights are two different things.

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Wednesday, July 9, 2008 7:33 PM

WYTCHCROFT


i just think it ties in so nice with Serenity:)

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Wednesday, July 9, 2008 8:49 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Given the the definition given in the OP does not mean that the person is under arrest (explicitly) then I imagine that Miranda warning and Miranda rights are two different things.




I think they're 2 different things if you wanta be exact and nitpick. The Rights are the legal principles behind the Warning- You do have the Right to be Silent, to have an attorney present, etc. The Warning is the official text that cops read to ya when they Mirandaize you. It used to be printed on a card, cops carried it in their pocket and read it to you exactly as printed, to make sure they were covered in case of trial or later appeal. Another shorthand version of this is, " Read 'em their rights." All same thing really, just different jargons, or references from different points of view.

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Wednesday, July 9, 2008 9:10 PM

SPACEANJL




Has none of my cop-show fetish rubbed off? I also have it in my head that the police truck was known as 'Miranda' at one time, too. (or a 'paddy wagon', after the number of Irish cops!)

The cop cars in the UK used to be known as 'jam sandwiches' from the paint job (white, red stripe). The new blue and yellow checked things are sometimes called 'battenbergs'.

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Wednesday, July 9, 2008 9:19 PM

WYTCHCROFT


Quote:

Originally posted by SpaceAnJL:


The cop cars in the UK used to be known as 'jam sandwiches' from the paint job (white, red stripe). .



remember when the plod drove 'panda cars'?

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Wednesday, July 9, 2008 9:27 PM

SPACEANJL


Only from tv! 'Cos I'm younger than you (I think)

But I've been watching re-runs of 'The Professionals' so who knows what may happen in the world of fanfic?

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Wednesday, July 9, 2008 10:00 PM

FREEBROWNCOAT


So, is Miranda a thing of note in the BDM or just a pretty named planet?

Hrd to think Joss had something to say with the name, likely just something that popped into his brilliant head.

River, pointing, "Miranda."

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Wednesday, July 9, 2008 11:06 PM

HUGHFF


Quote:

Originally posted by Freebrowncoat:
So, is Miranda a thing of note in the BDM?



Good God, yes.

This is the same guy who used the following "names" loaded with symbolic intent:

Maidenhead - I can think of at least two ways to associate that with River, refering either to virginity (she's only a teenager) or the secrets in the Maiden's head

Persephone - queen of the underworld and, ironically, goddess of new growth; she was an innocent maiden abducted by Hades and corrupted by her time in the underworld so that she lived half in that realm and half in ours.

Let's also note that Miranda is the daughter of Prospero in "The Tempest" which was the inspiration for one of the great sf movies: Forbidden Planet. Miranda was about the same age as River and not worldly wise but she had a very protective and well schooled older relative. Despite her apparent naivity and reliance on more worldly people to protect, she does show great strength at times, notably forcing her father to put his grudge behind himself and managing the potential dangerous Caliban.

Don't even get me started on Mal, Book or those other shows: Buffy and Angel.


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Thursday, July 10, 2008 12:05 AM

WYTCHCROFT


Quote:

hughff wrote:
Wednesday, July 09, 2008 23:06



nicely put sir:)

Miranda is also a ballet by Mishima...

is joss still working on his ballet
(the one with summer?)

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Thursday, July 10, 2008 4:09 AM

WASHNWEAR


Quote:

Originally posted by SpaceAnJL:


Has none of my cop-show fetish rubbed off? I also have it in my head that the police truck was known as 'Miranda' at one time, too. (or a 'paddy wagon', after the number of Irish cops!)



Actually, I believe you're thinking of a Black Maria (or Mariah) - "muh-RYE-uh" is the way I've heard it pronounced... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Maria

I know this because of Douglas Adams' book, "Dirk Gently and the Hollistic Detective Agency." Who says there's no advantage to being bookish and unpopular in school?

EDIT so as to tidy up here and there...

EDIT some more to add the silly Wiki link...

and EDIT one more time 'cause hey - it's fun! (And third times' a charm.)


It was a cop car by any other name when we got here!

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Thursday, July 10, 2008 4:27 AM

WYTCHCROFT


Quote:

Originally posted by WASHnwear:
Originally posted by SpaceAnJL:


Has none of my cop-show fetish rubbed off? I also have it in my head that the police truck was known as 'Miranda' at one time, too. (or a 'paddy wagon', after the number of Irish cops!)



how dashiel hammett!:)

Quote:

Actually, I believe you're thinking of a Black Maria (or Mariah) - "muh-RYE-uh" is the way I've heard it pronounced... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Maria


Black Maria(h) is also a card game, where you try NOT to end up with the Queen of spades.

Quote:

I know this because of Douglas Adams' book, "Dirk Gently and the Hollistic Detective Agency."


great book!

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Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:34 AM

JONGSSTRAW


How can, or why would anyone answer yes to those Miranda questions? I'm not an attorney, how can I be expected to understand my rights? And what do the cops do if someone says they don't understand Miranda?

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Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:37 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by wytchcroft:
Quote:

hughff wrote:
Wednesday, July 09, 2008 23:06



nicely put sir:)

Miranda is also a ballet by Mishima...

is joss still working on his ballet
(the one with summer?)


Also a song by Jefferson Airplane....Crazy Miranda, lives on propaganda, she swallows everything she reads....

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Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:38 AM

SPACEANJL


Smack 'em?

My bad on the Miranda/Maria thing.

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Thursday, July 10, 2008 12:54 PM

ELVISCHRIST


Quote:

Originally posted by SpaceAnJL:


Has none of my cop-show fetish rubbed off? I also have it in my head that the police truck was known as 'Miranda' at one time, too. (or a 'paddy wagon', after the number of Irish cops!)

The cop cars in the UK used to be known as 'jam sandwiches' from the paint job (white, red stripe). The new blue and yellow checked things are sometimes called 'battenbergs'.



Hadn't heard the Paddy Wagon called a Miranda, but I've heard of it in old literature called a Black Mariah - which is also something you call a hearse!

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Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:24 PM

FREEBROWNCOAT


HUGHFF

Good reply.


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Friday, July 11, 2008 12:25 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
I think it the UK it is something like - You have the right to remain silent but it may harm your defence if you do not mention now something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say will be taken down in writing and may be given in evidence. Do you understand?

You do not have to say anything. But it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence.



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