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Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:07 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Henry Gibson ( from Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In ) passed away, age 73.

Mary Travers ( of Peter Paul and Mary) died of leukemia She'd been sick for several years, got some better, got worse. The 60's folk revival was the music of my youth, helped form and express my politics. In many ways, their voices were my voice.

AS I've said before, 3 voices, 2 guitars, and a bass were enough to make music that could move millions. Proves that you don't need a 90 piece orchestra, or 20 megawatts of electric amps, or pyrotechnics, or fancy dance moves , or music videos to make good art, if you have enough skill and talent.





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Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:17 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Awww, that's sad. Gibson was good, but after Laugh-In I never saw him. But Mary, that's a loss. Dunno if they were still doing anything, but given how many other groups from those times are still concerting, I dunno.

I adored their music, and their comedy. I feel the same
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The 60's folk revival was the music of my youth, helped form and express my politics. In many ways, their voices were my voice.

3 voices, 2 guitars, and a bass were enough to make music that could move millions

For the same reason, I loved Simon & Garfunkel, and have never forgiven them for not giving us more. Paul Simon...uh...no comment.

Guess we must be about the same age; it's awfully sad to see so many pass, and age, for me at least. Someone told me David McCallum was on CSI so I watched just to see...it's always a shock. I got my name from him (Illya NIKOVICH Kuryakin from Man From U.N.C.L.E.)--long story, but to see how they age...sigh, I'm stil 21 IN MY HEAD, they remind me otherwise...

For me, John Denver too...just his voice and guitar were quite enough. More his WRITING than his singing (others did his songs better)--he wrote what I felt, just as PPM did. S&G, not so much, but what they wrote was pure poetry.

Life goes on...and death as well...

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Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:15 AM

NCBROWNCOAT


Seems that in the past couple of years lots of my childhood icons are slipping away. I wonder who will be next.

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Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:12 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Henry Gibson in Blues Brothers had a classic role in a classic movie.




Thanks and you'll be missed as well as remembered.



The T.Rex they call JANE!


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Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:49 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


Henry Gibson was also great in Robert Altman's Nashville, one of my favorite films.

I loved Peter, Paul & Mary and many others from the folk era; Pete Seeger, Ramblin' Jack Elliot, Phil Ochs, Joan Baez, Tim Hardin, Arlo Guthrie, and many more. Great music and great meaning behind most of the lyrics.



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Thursday, September 17, 2009 2:23 PM

TRAVELER


I remember, decades ago, we lost a number of people who's names started with the letter "J". Janis Joplin, Jimmy Hendrix, and John Belushi died within a short time of each other. Made me glad that none of my names started with "J".

Now it is a mix of people from the entertainment industry to politics. Each in their own way contributing their talents.


http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

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Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:13 PM

HUGHFF


Quote:

Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:

AS I've said before, 3 voices, 2 guitars, and a bass were enough to make music that could move millions. Proves that you don't need a 90 piece orchestra, or 20 megawatts of electric amps, or pyrotechnics, or fancy dance moves , or music videos to make good art, if you have enough skill and talent.



Of course if you have the skill and talent, and the desire to use a 90 piece orchestra

, 20 megawatts of amps

, pyrotechnics

, fancy dance moves

and videos

, you can also create something magical.

www.cpfc.org - my life

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Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:24 PM

HUGHFF


Also lost this week - Troy Kennedy Martin. If you ever watch quality British tv/movies from the 1960s onward, you probably saw his work:
Film

* The Italian Job (1969)
* Kelly's Heroes (1970)
* The Jerusalem File (1972)
* Sweeney II (1978)
* Red Heat (1988)
* Red Dust (2004)

Television

* Storyboard (1961)
* Z Cars (1962-78)
* Redcap (1965-66)
* The Sweeney (1975-78)
* Reilly: Ace of Spies (1983)
* Edge of Darkness (1985)

A special mention for Edge of Darkness: IMO this is the single greatest televsion mini-series ever. Six 55 minute episodes that move you from gritty cop drama through conspiracy thriller to science fiction utopia seamlessly. The soundtrack, played by Eric Clapton through a valve amplifier is haunting. The action is taunt, levened with the blackest humour. The acting is first class, from the star down to Jedburgh's landlady, who must have less than a dozen lines.

It's never been released on dvd in the US to my knowledge though it was released in Region 2 (UK). It's being remade for release next year with the original director but, terrifyingly, Mel Gibson in the lead role. I'll be in the queue on opening night and more than ready to be bitterly disappointed but, if it works, it will be freaking awesome.

www.cpfc.org - my life

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Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:56 PM

PEULSAR5

We sniff the air, we don't kiss the dirt.


The "In Memoriam" sections of the Emmys and Oscars are going to be very long this year. A lot of good, talented people gone.

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Friday, September 18, 2009 1:08 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


Quote:

Originally posted by hughff:
A special mention for Edge of Darkness: IMO this is the single greatest televsion mini-series ever. [snip] It's never been released on dvd in the US to my knowledge though it was released in Region 2 (UK).


A Region 1 release is scheduled for November 3. I have it on VHS but will be buying the dvd too. I agree it is excellent.



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Friday, September 18, 2009 8:34 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:

Guess we must be about the same age;



I would never ask, nor comment, about the age of a lady--- :<)

I was born in Jan 1951,which means I am becoming an Auld Phart. Which is funny: between my ears, I'm still 17 and waiting to get started on the stuff I wanta do with my life. My body, however, is being slowed down by heart troubles, and I seem to have racked up 30 years in the same profession, paid the bills and raised 2 kids.

As to music, yes I love Simon ( and Garfunkel, or by himself , or with band and back-up singers ), Tom Paxton ( still around and performing), Arlo
Guthrie (touring with a 3rd generation of Guthrie children.)

And yes, you can do good stuff with an orchestra or choir, and even with electric guitars, but too many groups use that stuff to cover a lack of real talent and skill. Pyrotechnics are not part of MUSIC, though, and dance is not an integral part of it. Any time the performance becomes more about those things than voice or instrument, MUSIC loses out.

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Friday, September 18, 2009 9:26 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Yes, it's indeed sad to hear when a fav personality passes. We have Patrick Swayze, Henry Gibson and Mary Travers. Henry Gibson was not as much of an icon as the other two but he is remembered fondly by this poor soul.

He will be missed. (He was also in Wedding Crashers)

Peter, Paul and Mary were icons for any medium. And I agree that they could do more with their voices and guitars than most bands today. R.I.P.

A true artist, a genuine bonafide star, would not need pyrotechnics to engage an audience. Carlos Santana, Jimi Hendrix, Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, Earth, Wind and Fire. Barry White. They, along with countless others I'm forgetting, made their own.

Us Auld Pharts gotta stick together. But I'm just keeping it real.

SGG



Tawabawho?

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Saturday, September 19, 2009 2:12 AM

HUGHFF


Quote:

Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
And yes, you can do good stuff with an orchestra or choir, and even with electric guitars, but too many groups use that stuff to cover a lack of real talent and skill. Pyrotechnics are not part of MUSIC, though, and dance is not an integral part of it. Any time the performance becomes more about those things than voice or instrument, MUSIC loses out.



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Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
A true artist, a genuine bonafide star, would not need pyrotechnics to engage an audience. Carlos Santana, Jimi Hendrix, Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, Earth, Wind and Fire. Barry White.



With all due respect: Bullshit, bullshit, fucking bullshit. I will not let you slander dance. My wife is a dancer; so is one of our BDHs. Go tell them that. When someone said to Tchiakovsky that he should rush a piece because it was "only dance music" he went ballistic. There was, in his humble opinion, no more important form of musical expression.

To dismiss dance or, for that matter, any part of the stage experience, is to diminish the whole artistic endeavour. When I go to see a show, I go to see it as well as hear it; That's why we call it "seeing" a show. You may as well tell a film producer to forget about sound - we only want to watch movies.

All of the artisits nominated above were not above using dance and pyrotechnics and any other trick to improve their visual performance. I'm not knocking them as artists, though PPM, BW and EWF are outside my musical interests, because they're all good at what they do. A true artist may not appeal to you too. Don't call it bad because your tastes are differnt

www.cpfc.org - my life

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Saturday, September 19, 2009 3:54 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:

A true artist, a genuine bonafide star, would not need pyrotechnics to engage an audience. Carlos Santana, Jimi Hendrix, Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, Earth, Wind and Fire. Barry White. They, along with countless others I'm forgetting, made their own.





Didn't Hendrix pretty much INVENT the idea of pyrotechnics in a rock show? Well, after Tchaikovsky's "1812 Overture" with its cannonfire, that is...

It's all good, and it's all part of the show.

Pink Floyd never *needed* the stage show to get the message of "The Wall" out there - the show just made it more accessible, more watchable. They never needed the lasers or the flying pig, either - those weren't for the music, or the reason Roger Waters wrote the songs; they were for the crowd's enjoyment, as are most of the "showy" aspects of the show. As the venues get bigger, the "show" tends to grow to keep people watching, even when they can barely see the performers. If you want to get a real sense of a performer's talent level, catch them in a small, intimate setting, stripped down and unplugged, and if they can still wow you, you'll know the true depths of their talents.

I saw this guy do these songs in a small space (Austin City Limits live taping) a few years back. I'm still impressed by what one man, one guitar, and one voice can accomplish, and the stories he can tell.







Mike

Old friend charity
Cruel twisted smile
And the smile signals emptiness
For me
Starless and Bible black

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Saturday, September 19, 2009 6:27 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by hughff:


With all due respect: Bullshit, bullshit, fucking bullshit. I will not let you slander dance. My wife is a dancer; so is one of our BDHs. Go tell them that. When someone said to Tchiakovsky that he should rush a piece because it was "only dance music" he went ballistic. There was, in his humble opinion, no more important form of musical expression.

To dismiss dance or, for that matter, any part of the stage experience, is to diminish the whole artistic endeavour. When I go to see a show, I go to see it as well as hear it; That's why we call it "seeing" a show. You may as well tell a film producer to forget about sound - we only want to watch movies.

All of the artisits nominated above were not above using dance and pyrotechnics and any other trick to improve their visual performance. I'm not knocking them as artists, though PPM, BW and EWF are outside my musical interests, because they're all good at what they do. A true artist may not appeal to you too. Don't call it bad because your tastes are differnt



Don't believe I did any of that. Dance is dance, is good, is interesting, and often very sexy.
But it's not primarily about the music. Excellent, perfect music often gets distorted for dance-- not a complaint, a truth. Dance has its own needs that require that, correcting rythym, cutting for length, whatever.

But you can't dance while playing a piano concerto, or sing while dancing a strenuous tango.

But then again, my daughter calls me a minimalist-- how little do you have to do to convey your message to the audience, get the emotional response you're aiming for? Sometimes you need only a couple of voices and a couple of guitars; sometimes you need a 20 piece band with strings and brass; sometimes to convey the message you need strobes and fog and glittery costumes and 50 dancers; sometimes you need 14 weeks and 9 actors and a spaceship made of plywood.

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Saturday, September 19, 2009 12:28 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


Damn, Hugh, who pissed in your Cheerios?

You are way out of line bringing this up in a thread started to honor the memory of a few people who have passed on recently.

I hereby dub you the Kanye West of fff.net.



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Saturday, September 19, 2009 9:21 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Didn't Hendrix pretty much INVENT the idea of pyrotechnics in a rock show? Well, after Tchaikovsky's "1812 Overture" with its cannonfire, that is...
====================================================

Ok, I give you that one.

Y'know, somehow I knew someone would bring up Jimi trying to smoke-a-guitar-routine as pyro.

It's all good, as the youmg'uns say.

SGG


Tawabawho?

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Saturday, September 19, 2009 9:33 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


how little do you have to do to convey your message to the audience, get the emotional response you're aiming for?
___________________________________________________

I'm with NOBC.

My comments were meant for those crappy bands (and you know who they are) that rely on gimmicks to entertain rather good, old-fashioned talent. I named those that I remember had talent, IMHO, and it seemed to me that they didn't solely rely on exploding stages to entertain is all.

And B, I was once a dancer back, you know, when I was young. Long live artistic expression, especially hurtling through space in the black.

Serenity now.

SGG

Tawabawho?

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