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Friday nights ratings are in for 9/25

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Saturday, September 26, 2009 6:59 AM

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Saturday, September 26, 2009 7:16 AM

SUASOR


Damn, where are the rest of us?

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Saturday, September 26, 2009 8:29 AM

TVCHICK


F*X really should have been re-airing the show during the summer. Esp the last couple of eps 2 wks before the season premiere. Prob would have helped the ratings...

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Saturday, September 26, 2009 9:32 AM

WHOZIT


You're right, repeats would have helped.

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Saturday, September 26, 2009 9:47 AM

DEWRASTLER


Some sort of advertising for the show should be done, even if we are the ones who have to do it.



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Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:07 AM

PEULSAR5

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Stargate Universe's premier next week won't help either.

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Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:30 AM

TRAVELER


Medium was put up agaisnt Dollhouse and that show has been on the air for several seasons and has a loyal following. Dollhouse will never be able to compete with that, no matter how good the series is.

They should have shown the last few episodes to get people up to date on the happenings on Dollhouse. Plus it would have advertised its season premier. I bet there were people who did not know it aired last night.


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Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:51 AM

FOLLOWMAL




Medium is a real problem for DollHouse. :(
CBS swept the night last night with their procedurals. I agree, SG-U will not help. I am going to be sorely tempted away myself. I'm a huge SG fan and it's going to be hard to not support it.

More eps shown before the premiere would have helped and so would advertising more heavily.
It's a Fox show on a Friday night though, so we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

I've always wished they'd combined it with Fringe on another night. The two shows seem like they'd go well together and help each others ratings.
But I suppose they're not gonna let me have a say, huh? *snort*

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Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:54 AM

OPTIMUS1998


Quote:

Originally posted by traveler:
I bet there were people who did not know it aired last night.




Hell I Knew, and still had to remind myself, look it up in the listings 2-3 times to make sure i had the right time, and still ended up missing the first couple of minutes....

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Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:59 AM

TRAVELER


I was a diehard Medium fan and will watch it on Hulu later. I am watching Dollhouse when it is broadcast. These networks battling each other for ratings hurt their fans more then know.

I could not agree more, FollowMal, Dollhouse and Fringe should share the same night.


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Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:01 PM

CYBERSNARK


Quote:

Originally posted by traveler:
These networks battling each other for ratings hurt their fans more then know.


More to the point, they hurt themselves. If they'd shuffle their schedule a bit they could both win.

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Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:02 PM

TRAVELER


I know what your saying Optimus1998. I don't watch much primetime during the Summer and nearly miss the premiers of several shows when September comes along.


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Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:09 PM

TRAVELER


CBS moved Medium just to attack Dollhouse. There was no other reason to move them. As I said I am a fan of Medium, but I am giving my support to Dollhouse because it is a hell of a fine show and I haye when networks play the ratings game. I know they all do it, but Dollhouse was given a chance and I want FOX to know the made the right choice in keeping it.


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Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:09 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Medium was put up agaisnt Dollhouse and that show has been on the air for several seasons and has a loyal following. Dollhouse will never be able to compete with that, no matter how good the series is.



It's not as if Medium is a runaway hit or anything; after all, it already got dumped by one network!

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Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:30 PM

FOLLOWMAL




My daughter and I were discussing just last night how nice for them and us it would be if they spread the shows around more and quit trying to win the battle and saw the overall war as a draw. They'd all get advertising and make money and we'd all get to watch a variety of good shows!

They cut their own noses off to spite their face as my Grandma used to say.
I get the need to make money, but it's become just ridiculous.

You know all the joking we heard during the Emmy's about network tv's days being numbered? One of these days they're going to compete themselves right out of the market. In the future it'll be too easy to access what we want when we want it and on good sized screens too. On Demand and Hulu and tvs connected to computers will make viewing much better and we won't have to adjust to their time schedules.

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Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:45 PM

TRAVELER


Exactly FollowMal. I plan to watch Medium later on Hulu. So why did they put it against Dollhouse.
I would be angry with CBS, but all the networks do this. I went to FOX's website and gave them some positive feedback on Dollhouse and Fringe. I figure it is best to start the campaign for positive reinforcement before they cancel any shows.


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Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:51 PM

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I'm sure Medium was placed where it is to be a companion piece to Ghost Whisperer. That has been on CBS for four years, same night and time, so they weren't going to move it.

I think we need to face the fact that Joss is not for the masses, and I disagree that it would do well together with Fringe. Completely different perspectives on characterization and plot. I wish they had given Dollhouse the Tuesday spot that Fringe had last year. I know there isn't a great spot on any night that wouldn't conflict with something else, but until V starts in November I'm not watching anything on Tuesdays.



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Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:55 PM

FOLLOWMAL


Quote:

Originally posted by traveler:
Exactly FollowMal. I plan to watch Medium later on Hulu.



I'll probably do the same thing with SG-U.

Quote:


So why did they put it against Dollhouse.
I would be angry with CBS, but all the networks do this.



Yeah, they all do. It's a shame, because it defeats their purpose ( having viewers ) in the long run.

Quote:


I went to FOX's website and gave them some positive feedback on Dollhouse and Fringe. I figure it is best to start the campaign for positive reinforcement before they cancel any shows.



I think that's a great idea and will do the same!



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Saturday, September 26, 2009 3:40 PM

FOLLOWMAL


Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:
I'm sure Medium was placed where it is to be a companion piece to Ghost Whisperer. That has been on CBS for four years, same night and time, so they weren't going to move it.

I think we need to face the fact that Joss is not for the masses, and I disagree that it would do well together with Fringe. Completely different perspectives on characterization and plot. I wish they had given Dollhouse the Tuesday spot that Fringe had last year. I know there isn't a great spot on any night that wouldn't conflict with something else, but until V starts in November I'm not watching anything on Tuesdays.



I agree about it being a companion show to Ghost Whisperer. Two of a kind.

You watched Warehouse 13 when it was on Tuesdays right? I miss it, I really was enjoying that show. What has SyFy replaced it with? I haven't checked.

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Saturday, September 26, 2009 5:30 PM

NCBROWNCOAT


I'm just disappointed with network shows in general. No originality or good writing.

The exception is "How I met your Mother" (NPH, need I say more?), "The Big Bang Theory" (sort of a Whedon show with Zack on the writing staff and the marvelous Jim Parsons), "Castle" (I could care less about the murder of the week, it's all about the chemistry between Nathan Fillion and Stana Katic and Molly Quinn must be included too), and "Dollhouse".

The rest of the time I'm likely to be tuned into the Food Network, History, TLC or watching DVDs. Either movies I didn't want to shell out $20 for at a crowded, noisy theater or a whole series that I can take in several big gulps ("True Blood" Season 1 and "Generation Kill" were my latest).

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Saturday, September 26, 2009 5:37 PM

GWEK


Folk can complain all they want about FOX and CBS, but a lot of the problem with DOLLHOUSE is that the first season was, to be kind, not good.

Yes, it got better as it went. Yes, a few of the episodes near the end were probably good that they might have redeemed the abyssmal first act of the season... but you only get one chance to make a first impression, and DOLLHOUSE blew it.

I know a bunch of Whedon fans--all of them FIREFLY fans, some of them fans of Buffy/Angel, as well--but I don't think there's one of them who made it to Season Two besides me. Some couldn't even get past the first episode. And frankly, I can't blame them. FIREFLY, this is not.

Personally, I watch DOLLHOUSE every week and generally enjoy it... but the low ratings aren't entirely the fault of the network or the competition. Weak tea is weak tea.

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Saturday, September 26, 2009 5:54 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by GWEK:
Folk can complain all they want about FOX and CBS, but a lot of the problem with DOLLHOUSE is that the first season was, to be kind, not good.

Yes, it got better as it went. Yes, a few of the episodes near the end were probably good that they might have redeemed the abyssmal first act of the season... but you only get one chance to make a first impression, and DOLLHOUSE blew it.

I know a bunch of Whedon fans--all of them FIREFLY fans, some of them fans of Buffy/Angel, as well--but I don't think there's one of them who made it to Season Two besides me. Some couldn't even get past the first episode. And frankly, I can't blame them. FIREFLY, this is not.

Personally, I watch DOLLHOUSE every week and generally enjoy it... but the low ratings aren't entirely the fault of the network or the competition. Weak tea is weak tea.

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Bingo.

Don't blame CBS or Medium for Dollhouse's failings. Medium didn't have enough viewers for NBC to keep it, but CBS thought it made a good fit with Ghost Whisperer, which (for reasons that completely escape me, but I'm guessing there's TWO of them - ) is a big hit for CBS. I can't fault them for wanting to put Medium with a hit as its lead-in, especially since they both seem to deal with roughly similar stories and themes.

I recorded Dollhouse, but haven't felt the urge to watch it yet.

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Saturday, September 26, 2009 6:18 PM

CHRISISALL


I don't watch s**t on broadcast TV, I can't deal with commercials. Times, they are a changing. I'd PAY for a Whedon show straight up, non-network-ized, but man, I am done with this suit-mandated bulls**t.
Gimme low-rent greatness like Burn Notice; big-budget stuff on TV is a thing of the past.

Joss, go fully independant dude! Dr. Horrible is THE template!!!!!


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Saturday, September 26, 2009 6:18 PM

GEEZER

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I haven't watched Brothers, but from the clips an descriptions it doesn't seem to be the perfect show as a lead-in to Dollhouse. I'd love to see a Thursday lineup of Bones, Fringe, and Dollhouse, but Fox seems to want to have 10 o'clock news.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Saturday, September 26, 2009 6:49 PM

BYTEMITE


Question, though: if Joss snubbed Fox, could he get back on hulu?

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Saturday, September 26, 2009 7:01 PM

GWEK


Thursday night would be death to DOLLHOUSE, regardless of the lead-in. It's a battlefield night (probably the biggest one of the weak), with a number of strong contenders already in place.

In earnest, I don't know what FOX was doing putting FRINGE there. GRAY'S ANATOMY, CSI, SUPERNATURAL, and THE OFFICE are all well-established shows with strong followings. As many as three of these are intelligent shows (ie, "worthy competition"), who might have an overlapping audience with a show like FRINGE (or DOLLHOUSE).

I don't know what the ratings will be like, but my expectation is that FRINGE will place 4th or 5th, which doesn't make for a spectacular lead-in.

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Saturday, September 26, 2009 9:53 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


I'm in the Dollhouse/Fringe camp, although not on Thursday night. I agree that it's been rough deciding between the Office and Fringe (I watch Fringe and catch the Office on Hulu).

I would prefer Fringe and Dollhouse together on Tuesday night, what's the competition:
Dancing with the Stars, NCIS and the Biggest Loser.
Ok, I admit, I watched some of the Biggest Loser last Tuesday because there was little else to watch.
Sometimes you'll find me watching the HGTV channel whenever baseball isn't on the tube (Go Yankees!).

I watched the season opener of DH and I wasn't Wowed! Joss really needs to put this puppy in gear before Fox pulls the plug. The last 20 minutes of the show was worth it but JW has got to hit it out of the park next week or I see trouble.

SGG

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Sunday, September 27, 2009 12:47 AM

RAREAIR23


Well to begin all I am a little disappointed by Dollhouse's ratings. While I liked the premiere myself but agree it (as in the show) has room for improvement Joss and all will step up.

Also other things to look out for...as a bold prediction I don't see CBS's Ghost Whisperer (Medium's key show) lasting past the Golden Globes in January 2010! There I said it and as such am about to provide evidence as to why: The real-life romantic relationship of Ghost Whisperer co-stars Jamie Kennedy and Jennifer Love Hewitt! Plus fan outrage of Jamie Kennedy being on the show at all to begin with!

Lemme break it down for you. Before their relationship began in January 2009 (yeah I know the press say March was when Kennedy and Hewitt got together but DO NOT BELIEVE IT. IT WAS ACTUALLY JANUARY) Ghost Whisperer was getting it's highest rating ever: a 3.3/11 with 11.3 million viewers. Since then though fans have been leaving the show like rats running off a ship ready to fly herself apart. They don't like Kennedy (or his character) being on the show at all and they don't like him being with Hewitt in real-life.

How I know this is I have read the Ghost Whisperer forums and JLH fan forums over the past few months and I have never seen such a backlash over an action a show has made for its universe and its star have taken with their own career and life in my whole life. On the combined forums I have seen at least 1650 forum threads with the titles "If Jamie Kennedy doesn't leave Ghost Whisperer right now I am not watching anymore!" or "If Jennifer and Jamie do not break up their relationship I am never watching the show again!" with about an average 237 replies each all seconding and agreeing with the thread starters position.

Now look at the numbers from best for Ghost Whisperer rating to Friday season premiere: January 2009 episode: 3.3/11/11.3 million total viewers. Premiere Sept. 25th: 2.2/8/8.58 million. As you can see the exodus of fans from Ghost Whisperer (and being a fan of JLH) has begun and had quite an effect already. And its not over...not by a longshot!

See, as long as Jamie and Jennifer stay together in their real-life relationship more people will leave Ghost Whisperer and watch something else. The trend has begun and won't stop. The projected numbers of people leaving the show will continue a downward trend doing quick math. I can see them losing another .4 points in the 18-49 plus another 2-3 in share by January and about another 2.2 million total viewers lost as well by then as they already lost 2.72 million fans already since January 2009.

Another interesting word of note: Hewitt and Kennedy are completely unaware and neglectful that their relationship is doing this. Plus, based on Hewitt's commentary of her relationship with Kennedy on CBS' Craig Ferguson late night show on Thursday this relationship between her and Kennedy is NOT ending anytime soon.

Now that I'm done with the evidence my final thoughts. If Ghost Whisperer falls by the time my bold prediction says they do, then Medium loses its greatest asset plus will likely have to move to the 8PM timeslot and CBS will have to call in a mid-season replacement to replace their spot. Meaning Dollhouses improvement looks to be soon. We have Summer Glau coming in and the show can only go up from here. We got one of best creative minds in the business behind us (Joss Whedon), we'll get this one. Sometimes, you just gotta be patient. Sorry to go so off-topic in the 'Verse talking about GW and all. Thought though this new info I provided could put some minds at ease. I am out!


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Sunday, September 27, 2009 4:20 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Brothers was better than I thought it would be. CCH Pounder is definitely the best thing about the show, but Michael Strahan actually does have some comedy chops, which came as a complete shock to me.

But I agree with Geezer - it's not the ideal lead-in for Dollhouse.

And I agree with others in that Thursday night would mean death to Dollhouse. I've already got scheduling conflicts on Thursday; I'm recording two shows at once, and still have to go to Hulu to watch The Office and Community. Right now, I'm willing to record Dollhouse and watch it at my convenience, but I"m so ambivalent about the show at this point that I'm not even willing to go to the trouble of watching it on Hulu or downloading it through iTunes if I miss it. Put it on Thursday, and I'm long gone.

And RareAir, thanks for the ray of hope in the demise of Ghost Whisperer. One can always hope... ;)

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While you're living beyond all your means;
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Sunday, September 27, 2009 7:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by FollowMal:
I agree about it being a companion show to Ghost Whisperer. Two of a kind.

You watched Warehouse 13 when it was on Tuesdays right? I miss it, I really was enjoying that show. What has SyFy replaced it with? I haven't checked.


There will be repeats of three W13 eps this week, then the week after they start Scare Tactics again, a show I have absolutely no interest in.



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Sunday, September 27, 2009 7:19 AM

FOLLOWMAL


Uggghh. I loathe Scare Tactics. :(
But I'll be happy for the Warehouse 13 repeats. :)

Thanks for the info though.

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Sunday, September 27, 2009 7:22 AM

FARFLY


Since the demise of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, there's nothing I want to watch on Friday night.

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Sunday, September 27, 2009 9:27 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Boy, you really did your homework RAir.

I wasn't even aware that JLH was with JK. To be honest, I agree with her die-hard fans. JK!? of all the dudes in HW perhaps the sweetest girl in Hwood picks him! Right now I'm scratching my head.

If CBS really cares about winning the ratings game, or the show for that matter, then they may suggest to Jennifer that her continued star role depends on her leaving JK. I don't know if that would ever happen (really!?, yep that's the best I could come up with).

You may have something there though ratings, in TV land, means everything. As they say, the plot thickens.

Still though, it's up to Joss & Co. to bring it and soon. The best defense is a good offense. He must get us excited and create 'net buzz - similar to that of Dr. Horrible. Then Fox will sit up and take notice, perhaps enough to move DH to a more decent night of viewing with a better lead-in than a rookie comedy.

BTW I love CCH Pounder, she was simply magical on The Shield.

SGG


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Sunday, September 27, 2009 9:57 AM

AURAPTOR

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I watched.



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Sunday, September 27, 2009 10:20 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:


BTW I love CCH Pounder, she was simply magical on The Shield.



Agreed. You might like her on Brothers- it's definitely a different role for her, doing comedy, but she's good at it. Man, she's keeping busy lately, huh? This show AND Warehouse 13 (she's Mrs. Frederick on that show).

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Sunday, September 27, 2009 10:55 AM

OPPYH


Bad news indeed.

I remember when Firefly aired it averaged a 4.25(7 million or so) for it's time slot. And it didn't even get a full freaking season!!!

I don't understand Fox, but I hope they at least see Dollhouse through to the end of this season.

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Sunday, September 27, 2009 5:45 PM

WASHNWEAR


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:


BTW I love CCH Pounder, she was simply magical on The Shield.



Agreed. You might like her on Brothers- it's definitely a different role for her, doing comedy, but she's good at it. Man, she's keeping busy lately, huh? This show AND Warehouse 13 (she's Mrs. Frederick on that show).



Never mess with a woman with 3 initials for a first name!

Brothers is impressive for a sit-com.

As for DH 2-1, on the whole I liked it...seems like Eliza is getting rangier (that IS a word, right?). Mostly I enjoyed the bits that didn't have to do with Echo's assignment, but as someone else mentioned, the last 15-20 minutes were good, all together.



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Still...what would Rorschach do?

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Sunday, September 27, 2009 9:29 PM

DEWRASTLER


IMHO the Topher/Whiskey scenes stole the show, hands down.

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Monday, September 28, 2009 4:44 AM

WASHNWEAR


Quote:

Originally posted by Dewrastler:
IMHO the Topher/Whiskey scenes stole the show, hands down.



Aye - the ver' t'ing to which I was ineffectively referrin'!

An' Tempura Joe, o'course!



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Monday, September 28, 2009 5:49 AM

BLACKOUTNIGHTS



Are these ratings supposed to be surprising when Season One also didn't do too well? It's wrong to blame the network for it. You can include me in the category of those who didn't watch the premiere when it aired...but watched it on Saturday on FOX's online stream.

Those are the numbers that will be watched more closely. I don't think Dollhouse was renewed with any expectations of high Nielson ratings, but more as an experiment to see how big the numbers are for online viewing.

No, the Nielson ratings just ain't that big of a deal this time.

But what is was the story. This was not a good introduction to a second season if you're new to the show. I don't think anyone watching it for the first time is going to be inspired to return. This was for those of us already familiar with what's going on.

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I think this story established two things. One: the introduction of a new "agent" attempting to take down the Dollhouse, and Two: Echo's beginning to remember more and teaming up with Ballard.

Except for the fight at the end with Echo, it was really, freaking boring. It didn't seem like anyone was into character; like the actors were shocked to even being back. Really, I think Amy Acker did a great job, not to mention she's hawt as hell, and it's unfortunate she won't be a regular this season.

I don't know what's going to happen, but if they're looking for new viewers, they've got a LOT of work to do. I think the second episode will be better and that ratings will gradually climb. But the soap opera's going to have to take a back seat for a while and come in small bits so each episode can stand on its own if they want to increase the audience.

Truthfully, right now I'm not really fascinated by any of the characters.

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Originally posted by Traveler: They should have shown the last few episodes to get people up to date on the happenings on Dollhouse. Plus it would have advertised its season premier. I bet there were people who did not know it aired last night.
Yeah, me being one of them.

What the frak, Fox?? Some notice would have been nice.

Blackout: I think they *ARE* shocked to be back, lol.


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