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Watch Wonderfalls..........Please

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Monday, March 15, 2004 8:01 AM

CAPTAINCDC


I am curious how many of my fellow Browncoats watched the great new show Wonderfalls (fridays at 8 central on Fox)? It is in my (and many critics) opinion the best new show on TV this year. Let's show Firefly alum Tim Minear some love by supporting his new show. It is very witty and extremely well done. And not only does it have the brilliant Tim Minear, but Jewel Staite (Kaylee) will be joining the cast a few eps down the line (assuming it gets that far). I am terribly afraid that it is going to get the ax just like Firefly did on fox fridays. I just saw the ratings for the first ep last friday, and it finished 4th in its time slot. Not a good start. Please give the show a chance. I think you will like it, and if not at least you tried.

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

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Monday, March 15, 2004 8:19 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


What's the premise of the show again? I don't recall reading anywhere what the show is about.

I will watch it so long as it does not come on opposite Stargate SG1. If it does, I am afraid I will not be able to see it.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."


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Monday, March 15, 2004 8:43 AM

CAPTAINCDC


People have compared it to Joan of Arcadia, but it is not a Joan clone. The basic premise is about Jaye, an ivy league educated young misanthrope with a philosophy degree. She works at a gift shop at niagara falls. She is part of an overachieving dysfunctional family. Inanimate objects start talking to her, telling her to do things that she does not understand the meaning of. Any inanimate animal object can talk to her. A wax lion from the gift shop, a monkey from the desk of a psychiatrist that her mom sent her to, the eagle on the back of a quarter, all can talk to her. She thinks that she may be losing her mind. She follows the advice of the animal objects because they will not leave her alone until she does what they want her to do. The things that she does at the animal objects behest ultimately make other peoples lives better. Jaye is like a fish out of water when it comes to helping people so it adds a little difficulty to following the animals orders, aside from the difficulty to wrapping her mind around inanimate animals talking to her. One of the main differences between Joan of Arcadia and Wonderfalls is who is sending the messages. In Joan, it is known that God is talking to her. In Wonderfalls, Jaye does not know why or how these animals are talking to her or where the voices or orders are coming from. I have not done the show justice I'm sure. I was going to check the show out all along because Tim was involved, but the trailers that Fox had shown before the first ep did not impress me. However, after seeing the first ep, I can say the show was even better than I could have imagined. It is very funny and I can't wait to see what road the animals lead Jaye down next.

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

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Monday, March 15, 2004 8:50 AM

MANIACNUMBERONE


I really want to watch wonderfalls, but I work at night, have no tivo or good vcr for setting the time, and kazaa is being temperamental. I really want to watch wonderfalls though. I'm sure I'll eventually get kazaa to work.

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Monday, March 15, 2004 8:51 AM

CAPTAINCDC


One caveat to the production of this show that I found very interesting and quite frankly infuriating was how strongly some Fox execs were behind the show. The show originally was supposed to premiere last fall. I read an interview last week with the creator Bryan Fuller (Deep Space Nine vet and Dead Like Me creator). The interviewer asked Fuller what was up with the delay. He said apparently some of the higher ups at Fox were not happy with the show. But Fuller's immediate fox execs loved the show and they shielded him from all of the nay saying going on at the higher levels of the network. The execs that dealt directly with Fuller and Minear pretty much saved the show. My question is, where the hell were these execs when Firefly was left hanging in the wind.

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

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Monday, March 15, 2004 8:52 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Sounds promising. I will look for it this Friday.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."


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Monday, March 15, 2004 9:14 AM

THIRDAPOSTLE


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincdc:
People have compared it to Joan of Arcadia, but it is not a Joan clone.



Sorry but I beg to differ. The reason why it's being compared to Joan of Arcaadia is because the premises are VERY similar.

- Both shows star a young girl

- Both shows have an "otherworldly" force "talking" to the protagonist.

- In both shows, this "otherworldly" force gives the protagonist cryptic instructions which the protagonish always questions.

- In both shows, when the protagonist follows the cryptic instructions, she winds up helping people that she would not have normally have helped.

Personally neither show does much for me, probably because I doubt I fit in the demographic of the target audience.

Wonderfalls is a litte too quirky, too Ally McBeal-ish, and the humor is too Malcom in the Middle-ish. It's only been one episode. But thus far I'm not impressed.

But because it's not my cup of tea, doesn't mean it's not worth watching. I don't know about "Best new show", but it has potential.

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Monday, March 15, 2004 9:25 AM

TOMANTA


Finally 'caught' the pilot and I have to say it IS the best new show of the year. That it is the only new show I have seen this year should not be considered [;)].

Firefly had similar support from Fox, I believe - there were people who really, really pushed for it but ultimately the higher ups didn't get it. I imagine the same story could be told for every single show that has aired on Fox friday nights since X-files started.

The thing to keep in mind when comparing it to JoA is that the shows were developed at the same time - Wonderfalls is not a 'clone'.

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Monday, March 15, 2004 9:27 AM

STEVE580


I saw it. It was...alright. It could have been funnier; I didn't laugh at all. I know it isn't a comedy, but I just expected it to be more humorous.
-Steve

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Monday, March 15, 2004 9:36 AM

CAPTAINCDC


I disagree. I do see it as a comedy. I laughed out loud several times. To each his/her own.

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

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Monday, March 15, 2004 9:38 AM

KNIBBLET


Quote:

Originally posted by ThirdApostle:
- Both shows star a young girl



To use your words, "I would beg to differ."

Joan of Arcadia is a high school girl. Jaye in Wonderfulls is a 24 year old college graduate.

The first is a young girl.
The second is a young woman.

It's an important distinction.

I enjoyed the first episode very much and will ask the spouse to tape it for me.

"Just keep walkin, preacher man."

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Monday, March 15, 2004 9:38 AM

SHINY


If Firefly is a 10, I give it an 8, which ain't bad since most TV is a 3.

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Monday, March 15, 2004 9:52 AM

GUNSLINGINBROWNCOAT


I was planning on watching the re-airing of the pilot on Thursday, and if it's any good I'll try and tape it from then on since I'm usually busy Friday nights. They should give it a better timeslot, and a while to find an audience.

On another saddish note, Kingdom Hospital's ratings dropped by half for the second episode, not good at all. I think ABC is obligated to show all 13 episodes before they cancel it though, so at least it'll be able to finish its story.

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Monday, March 15, 2004 12:01 PM

BEATLE


I see the pilot is going to re-air on the 18th. I remembered to set the ReplayTV this time.

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Monday, March 15, 2004 12:28 PM

LISSA


i finally got my tape today! yay! i just got done watching it and i really liked it. it really isn't anything like joan of arcadia if you watch it. the premises are similar, but the tone is entirely different. plus, jewel staite soon!

~lissa, spwhore

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Monday, March 15, 2004 12:29 PM

OKKAY


Quote:

Originally posted by Knibblet:
Quote:

Originally posted by ThirdApostle:
- Both shows star a young girl



To use your words, "I would beg to differ."

Joan of Arcadia is a high school girl. Jaye in Wonderfulls is a 24 year old college graduate.

The first is a young girl.
The second is a young woman.

It's an important distinction.

I enjoyed the first episode very much and will ask the spouse to tape it for me.

"Just keep walkin, preacher man."



I agree, this is a very important distinction, I think the main character is what makes Wonderfalls so much better than Joan of Arcadia, and the actress who plays Jaye plays her to perfection. Her personality and attitude towards life make her reactions to what she's being asked to do much more interesting than what happens on JoA.

Oh, and the best way to download episodes? Download BitTorrent and go to www.suprnova.org. They're pretty much guaranteed to have everything.

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Monday, March 15, 2004 12:32 PM

MLSVRKSGN


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On another saddish note, Kingdom Hospital's ratings dropped by half for the second episode, not good at all. I think ABC is obligated to show all 13 episodes before they cancel it though, so at least it'll be able to finish its story.

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Monday, March 15, 2004 12:40 PM

LENNIER


I saw the pilot, and thought it was quite remarkable. I don't think it's just the main character who makes it different (though her ho-hum outlook, and distance from those around her, is a big unexpected plus); the whole feel of the show is, in a word, very weird. And I don't just mean how casually surreal it is (someone compared it to Ally McBeal, but they've already take it FAR past that point, just by the sheer density of the weirdness, and the line about importance of embuing the world around us with consciousness) ...I also mean the basic comedy style, which is bouncing all over the place (it starts out practically addressing the audience, jumps to a sort of satirical distance, then dumps into pen-tracheotomy black comedy ...and shifts into odd pacing humour with strange pauses ...this show 'acts' normal, but it is NOT).
Not to mention the storytelling style, which in the pilot was quite crazy---most of the time she is pursuing actions that have no apparent purpose, that seem totally ridiculous, and we are floating forward in these moments that don't seem to be going anywhere (eg. chasing after a bouncing penny, which lead to __ which lead to ___). For this and many other reasons, this is the ultimate 20-something show, potentially much better than any other I've seen (though Angel has hit a few of these notes quite well). It certainly makes something like Tru Calling look like utter trash (except for Eliza's very natural performance of course).
This is an odd odd show---and as Tim Minear points out in a recent interview, it doesn't strike one as being all that odd, even though it's as offbeat as a show like Firefly.
well, my thoughts about it are still jumbled, and I did think the ending was too cutsey and easy, but there's a lot of potential here. The basic style, just the idea of the world around a main character being constantly alive like that, combined with the main character's somewhat jaded outlook, and combined with the multi-style outrageous comedy, is an exciting universe to explore.
(and also, I haven't focused on the satire, but that's a very big deal. I don't think any show like this has taken it quite this far; for instance, the way her family was portrayed, was a truly biting satirical portrayal ...and yet without being a totally "detached" comedy like Seinfeld, ie. we are not simply asked to sit back and laugh, we are also asked to connect with the main character's reality of having this family and not being able to connect).

In any case, the next episode is written by Tim Minear (Out of Gas, Bushwakced), so all Firefly fans should watch!

p.s. someone mentioned Kindgom.
Everyone should ignore the lame new version,
and go rent the original, and while they're at it they should see all the movies that Lars Von Trier ever made.

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Monday, March 15, 2004 12:41 PM

DRAGONLORD


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincdc:
I am curious how many of my fellow Browncoats watched the great new show Wonderfalls (fridays at 8 central on Fox)? It is in my (and many critics) opinion the best new show on TV this year. Let's show Firefly alum Tim Minear some love by supporting his new show. It is very witty and extremely well done. And not only does it have the brilliant Tim Minear, but Jewel Staite (Kaylee) will be joining the cast a few eps down the line (assuming it gets that far). I am terribly afraid that it is going to get the ax just like Firefly did on fox fridays. I just saw the ratings for the first ep last friday, and it finished 4th in its time slot. Not a good start. Please give the show a chance. I think you will like it, and if not at least you tried.

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.



I would've watched but I was watching the first half of a two-part season finale of Stargate SG-1.

I'll be doing the same this Friday as well, but, I'll be watching it the week after for sure. I've wanted to see that show since I read about it a few months ago.

I also like watching "Joan of Arcadia" and "Tru Calling". Excellent shows.

Respectfully,

Dragon Lord

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Jane: Well I ain't no girl! I can prove it!
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Monday, March 15, 2004 1:08 PM

THIRDAPOSTLE


Quote:

Originally posted by Knibblet:
Quote:

Originally posted by ThirdApostle:
- Both shows star a young girl



Joan of Arcadia is a high school girl. Jaye in Wonderfulls is a 24 year old college graduate.

The first is a young girl.
The second is a young woman.

It's an important distinction.




Yes it is an important distinction... once you get past the premise of the show. My point is that it's not unreasonable that the shows are being compared to each other because their premises are very similar.

I personally wasn't too impressed with the first episode. But I'll probably give it a few more episodes before rendering my final verdict.

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Monday, March 15, 2004 1:13 PM

PERIDIDDLE


I watched it and...I dunno. I thought it was okay, but not all that great. Using a scale someone else did, if I Firefly is a 10, then I'd give Wonderfalls a 6. It was witty, which I like, and had a rare gem or two of script that, if you weren't paying attention, you'd miss something amusing. But I still don't know. It didn't do much for me, I think I'm getting too picky about my shows. The guy at the bar was fun, he'll prolly keep me around for a few episodes, and once Jewel joins I'll HAVE to watch it. And the third episode is called 'Wind-Up Penguin' (and being the dork I am, that amuses me), so I hope to catch it.

I finally watched some of Joan that same Friday night. Quite frankly I liked it better than Wonderfalls, but I'm gonna watch both shows until one somehow shakes me off. I gotta find new shows, all of mine are leaving!

"Bwaa...it's kind of a warrior...strikes fear into the hearts of..."

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Monday, March 15, 2004 1:41 PM

LINDLEY


I didn't get to see it, but I've gotten ahold of the pilot. I'll check it out.

I love Joan of Arcadia----its really the first "high school" show that I ever enjoyed. In fact, liking Joan is a big part of what convinced me to give Buffy a chance, which I now also like.

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Monday, March 15, 2004 2:38 PM

AERRIN


I have to say that I adored Wonderfalls - I thought it was quirky, in a good way, and it made me laugh out loud several times. I can see how it wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea (of course, neither is Firefly), but I think it's much better than most TV out there right now. I enjoyed the premise, but that wasn't what really got me - mostly, I enjoyed the characters. I locked into them quite quickly. The actress who plays Jaye is just fabulous, and her reactions to various things are amusing and at times, poignant. Her family is wonderful, in that 'I wouldn't want them but man they're fun to watch' sort of way, and the interaction between them is some of the best stuff of the show.

My one complaint is that stuff happened rather quickly - there was a lot of 'wish fulfullment,' a lot of things resolved in the space of a single episode. However, I suspect that they were simply sliding things into place for the rest of the season - I'm hoping every episode won't solve a problem that neatly and that the relationships will stay complex and uneasy.

Anyway. That was rambly, but my verdict is: catch a few episodes. I think more than a few people will be pleasantly surprised.

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Saturday, March 20, 2004 9:10 AM

AUREIAS


I saw it yesterday night, and after seeing the 2nd one, I had to dl the first one.

Excellent show. Its witty, clever, and just speaks out to all of us that are disillusioned and drifting through the world :)

I've heard that the critics love it, but ratings for it haven't been as high...

I see it almost as a firefly parallel. Friday timeslot, good critic reviews, low viewing.

:( Hope it doesn't get axed. Because then that will be the 2nd show of mine that fox has killed. :(

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Saturday, March 20, 2004 9:15 PM

THECRAZYIVAN


I watched a bit of the first ep...then i got inturrupted...but i really liked what i saw.

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Sunday, March 21, 2004 3:50 AM

ECMORGAN69


Quote:

Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
What's the premise of the show again? I don't recall reading anywhere what the show is about.

I will watch it so long as it does not come on opposite Stargate SG1. If it does, I am afraid I will not be able to see it.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."




I missed this new show for the same reason. Must watch SG-1! I did catch the rerun of the pilot on Thursday.

I guess that's why I have a VCR

They can have my "Firefly" DVDs when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers....

Oh yeah, you, FOX TV!!

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Sunday, March 21, 2004 3:57 AM

GOATUS


indeed.. i watched the first 2 eps and im hooked.. very funny and clever. but heres some things to think about:

1> its a good show.
2> its on fox.
3> nuff said, its finished.. i give it 1 complete season at best

i hate to be a pessimist, but fox has broken my spirits.. i cant run or crawl anymore.. quick some1 carry me ;)

- goatus

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Sunday, March 21, 2004 4:02 AM

ECMORGAN69


Quote:

Originally posted by Aureias:
:( Hope it doesn't get axed. Because then that will be the 2nd show of mine that fox has killed. :(



Only the second? I think it has evolved into a national sport to chart all the quality shows that FOX TV aired, mishandled, then ultimately smoked blaming poor ratings. I think they just like airing utter rubbish like "American Idol" and "Any other pointless and intellectually dead reality show that cost $1.98 to produce".

FOX has killed several of my favorites, "Firefly" being the best of all of them.

They can have my "Firefly" DVDs when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers....

Oh yeah, you, FOX TV!!

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Sunday, March 21, 2004 8:20 AM

DARKJESTER


OK, you may not instantly fall in love with this show, but it is very good, with the potential to be great. Quirky, off-centre, with a healthy dose of dark comedy - I am going to be watching and recording this show for as long as it runs. Thank you, Tim Minear!!

MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

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Sunday, March 21, 2004 10:29 AM

SCIFIDO


I saw the re-airing of the pilot and then this week's show.

I enjoyed them both, but not nearly at the FF level. But it doesn't matter.

My wife gave it the big raspberry, plus she doesn't like me identifying with twenty-something young women. 'nuff said.

So, I won't be wonderfalling very often. Too bad.




Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.

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Sunday, March 21, 2004 3:01 PM

JCWANG


It may be a good show but I no longer have any desire to patronize Fox and its sponsors by watching any new shows after the treatment that Firefly received.

Frankly, I'd think a great many people at this site would feel the same way instead of wanting to eagerly run back for another new show hoping that MAYBE Fox will let this one survive. Sooner or later, you have to vote with your remote. My 2 cents.

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Sunday, March 21, 2004 5:00 PM

SHINY


Quote:

Originally posted by JCWang:
It may be a good show but I no longer have any desire to patronize Fox and its sponsors by watching any new shows after the treatment that Firefly received.

Frankly, I'd think a great many people at this site would feel the same way instead of wanting to eagerly run back for another new show hoping that MAYBE Fox will let this one survive. Sooner or later, you have to vote with your remote. My 2 cents.



Yes, but we're torn between wanting to punish F*x, which screwed Firefly, and wanting to support Tim Minear, who did so much for Firefly, and is the exec producer of Wonderfalls.

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Sunday, March 21, 2004 5:12 PM

TOMANTA


Quote:

Originally posted by JCWang:

Frankly, I'd think a great many people at this site would feel the same way instead of wanting to eagerly run back for another new show hoping that MAYBE Fox will let this one survive. Sooner or later, you have to vote with your remote. My 2 cents.



Not being a Nielson viewer, my remote is not capable of voting. I refuse to let Fox dictate what I do or do not watch in any way whatsoever. If I DON'T watch a quality show for the simple reason it is on Fox, the idiots win.

If I /was/ a Nielson viewer, I would still watch, as I COULD vote and maybe keep an intelligent program on the air.

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Sunday, March 21, 2004 6:12 PM

SHADESIREN


I really enjoyed the premiere - the second ep wasn't as strong as the 1st - although there were moments I really felt for Jaye, throughout the whole of it, I mainly felt it wasn't quite as good as the first one.

We'll keep watching for now, as there is little else on that we bother to watch. Besides, it's pretty good.

Fox won't let it last.

I can't help but not want to get TOO attached.

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Monday, March 22, 2004 5:52 AM

KOIPOND


but there is a simply fact that may allow Wonderfalls to survive long enough to get an audience (and why most scifi programing dies).

It's cheap(ish).

now you say 'how do you know that and what does that have to do with anything?'. How do I know it's cheap? Because of this is a little known fact about Niagira Falls. the best place to view the falls (and the side that they show in the show) is the Canadian side. that means some (if not all) of the show is filmed in Canada which is much cheaper to film in. Add in the fact that many of the actors are Canadian, this brings the cost per episode down alot.
And that is where scifi TV lives and dies, the cost per episdoe verses the ratings.

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Monday, March 22, 2004 12:01 PM

LISSA


Quote:

Originally posted by JCWang:
Frankly, I'd think a great many people at this site would feel the same way instead of wanting to eagerly run back for another new show hoping that MAYBE Fox will let this one survive. Sooner or later, you have to vote with your remote. My 2 cents.



I kinda feel like I'm getting my spite on by watching this show which fox so obviously is encouraging to fail. Especially since, you know, Tim. It's fun. Too bad I don't have a Nielson Box so my spite will remain unregistered.

~lissa, spwhore

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