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Nandi or Inara?

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Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:50 AM

WISHIMAY



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Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:03 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


I'll take them both.



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Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:13 PM

WISHIMAY


That weren't the question ...Pick one and tell me why... Pretty please...

This is serious research here...

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Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:19 PM

LILI

Doing it backwards. Walking up the downslide.


Nandi. She is forthright and has a certain sensuality in her every movement that appeals to me. I also have a serious thing for redheads, and those green eyes are icing on a gorgeous cake. And that voice! That glorious, husky voice! Bone-melting.


Facts are stubborn things.

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Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:28 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


As characters I would choose Nandi over Inara, because she comes with less baggage. As actresses I would choose Morena over Melinda, 'cause she's the most beautiful woman on the planet.



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Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:51 PM

GREENKA61


Nandi. She's lacks pretension and is more self-reliant. And when she sees someone she wants, she doesn't waste time angsting over him.

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Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:55 PM

KRELLEK


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
That weren't the question ...Pick one and tell me why... Pretty please...

This is serious research here...



I must say I prefer Nara, i think she is so pretty, I am not sure why

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Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:06 PM

LILI

Doing it backwards. Walking up the downslide.


Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:
the most beautiful woman on the planet.



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Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:32 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by greenka61:
Nandi. She lacks pretension and is more self-reliant. And when she sees someone she wants, she doesn't waste time angsting over him.



Well reasoned, green!

So Nandi wins...for tonight?

Do you think Inara would have eventually dropped the pretention in later seasons? If whatever malady she suffered from were removed, would her character have changed?

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Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:07 PM

GREENKA61


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Originally posted by Wishimay:
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Well reasoned, green!




Thank you.

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Do you think Inara would have eventually dropped the pretention in later seasons? If whatever malady she suffered from were removed, would her character have changed?



I think that Inara would be more free to act on her feelings for Mal if she were no longer a companion. I think a lot of the pretense she puts forth would fade once she wasn't bound by Guild law. Obviously both Nandi and YoSafBridge were able to be their true selves once they had left their companion houses. Kind of makes one wonder who Inara really would be if she was allowed to come out from behind her curtain.

As to whatever the "secret malady" is that keeps lurking behind door number two, I think she should just tell everyone. Now I'm going to turn 50 on Saturday, and I've been thinking a bit on what my 50 year old self would tell my 20 year old self, and frankly, it's that all those things I thought were really scary,if other people only knew what they were....just...weren't. Truly - if she's afraid to tell the crew, it's just kind of dumb. That crew can deal with it! That crew can deal with losing her, too. That crew would help her live whatever life she's got left to the T! She'd go to her grave skidding into it sideways with a party hat on, a drink in each hand, and a smile on her face!

Mal could deal with loving and losing her if he knew it was coming. Losing Inara to the dreaded malady wouldn't be the betrayal that loving and then being betrayed by the Independants was. Letting him be in love with her and then having her die without her ever telling him would blindside him twice, and that would not be fair, nor the adult thing to do.

She just has to tell them.


And none of this is to say that I don't like Inara. I like her a lot.I wish I could buy a bity little bottle of whatever it is that she has, 'cause she sure has beauty and class in buckets full.

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Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:46 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by greenka61:

As to whatever the "secret malady" is that keeps lurking behind door number two, I think she should just tell everyone.

Now I'm going to turn 50 on Saturday,


That crew would help her live whatever life she's got left to the T! She'd go to her grave skidding into it sideways with a party hat on, a drink in each hand, and a smile on her face!



Well, absolutely she shoulda said... but DRAMA!
I've had a lot of experience with dying and sympathy lately and I can safely say most people just aren't equipped for dealing with a slow death...They treat you very different. Maybe it was just her way of pretending nothing was wrong, for the time remaining...

Congrats on making it ta 50, hon! I hope it's a good ride downhill for ya...My own self will be 31 on Thursday (the 31st) so

You sound like a heckuva friend...I hope when it's my time I'll have people like that to help me ride out in style

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Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:52 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Nandi, cause she puts out...


-F

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Monday, March 28, 2011 1:21 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by LiLi:
Nandi. She is forthright and has a certain sensuality in her every movement that appeals to me. I also have a serious thing for redheads, and those green eyes are icing on a gorgeous cake. And that voice! That glorious, husky voice! Bone-melting.


Facts are stubborn things.



Same here. Not so much the voice, though I'm fine w/ it, but yeah... everything else.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, March 28, 2011 3:47 AM

BYTEMITE


I'm very tired of these fights, even Firefly fights. It stops being fun at some point.

If you actually want my opinion, then PM me and I'll have a conversation with you. But if people just want to dump on one of my favourite characters, I'm out.

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Monday, March 28, 2011 4:04 AM

GREENKA61


Are these fights? I thought they were discussions.....

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Monday, March 28, 2011 4:16 AM

BYTEMITE


Any conversation about these two characters and the comparison is bound to be framed in the sense of relationships, which makes it a shipper battle. Could just be taking about appearance wise, but the dozen or so comments before suggests no, this thread is what I thought it was, because it's getting into personalities and the respective manner of interactions.

So no, it ain't a discussion, but I'm not gonna fight anymore either.

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Monday, March 28, 2011 4:41 AM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Privileged Inara. She and her guests never wait for a table at the best nightspots.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Monday, March 28, 2011 6:46 AM

MENDUR


Nandi.

Both women are flawed (ALL people are flawed - let me finish) but it seems to me that Nandi has accepted her flaws and moved past them while Inara has yet to face hers. Like so many people on Serenity, Inara is running from her past. Nandi isn't running any more, which is a very attractive quality to me.

Thus, Nandi is my choice.

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Monday, March 28, 2011 9:03 AM

PLATONIST


I like both characters, and they’re both obviously attractive ladies, but for me it comes down to respect.

Inara doesn’t go back on her word, she keeps things professional, she said she wouldn’t service crew in trade and she never does. She offers to pay Mal out of her own money, which she has saved, to help her friend.

Nandi does whatever she wants without thinking of the consequences, she trades help, for desire and sex, she hurts her friend who has come to her aide, and she really mucks things up for Mal, in regards to Inara, because she takes what she wants, juxtaposed by her sexing Mal while Inara’s assisting Simon deliver a baby. I think if she would have lived, she would have been as regretful as Mal.

So my choice would be Inara based on the respect I have for what she does, rather than what she says.

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Monday, March 28, 2011 10:46 AM

BYTEMITE


All right, I said I wasn't gonna fight and let people have their thread. And I'm still not going to, but rather than choose one of the characters, and end up bothering the fans of either or both characters or ships, I'm going to play devil's advocate and bring up some hopefully pertinent discussion points.



1) With Inara's occupation acting much like a mask, and the short time we know Nandi, and considering that both characters are viewed relative to a non-neutral perspective (Mal), can we say we really know either character well enough to compare their merits?

Do we know that Nandi has her life all figured out, when she left the core and her old personality behind, adopted a new one, and started getting into trouble left and right? The appearance of confidence is not actual proof of self-assurance - see both Mal and Inara as well for example, we are only aware of their doubts because we are given time to see them.

Do we know that Inara is pretentious, especially when later she admits that the upper class isn't really her world, and suggests she's more comfortable around the down-to-earth crew of Serenity?



2) Is it possible that these two characters are really the same at heart? Both companions, both have had their share of ...partners and therefore both "put out," both were brought up in a core lifestyle, both left that behind to go out into the unknown. Nandi left because she felt that lifestyle was constricting. We don't know yet how or why Inara left, only that her manner of departure must have been more low-key as it did not result in her being expelled from the Guild and shunned.

Inara tries to hold on to core mannerisms, while Nandi has largely abandoned them as pointless.

Perhaps Nandi originally tried to hold onto the Core and Core values as well, which is what set her against the previous owner of the Heart of Gold (who abused the women). Theoretically the only difference between them may be the amount of time they've spent on the Rim and the amount of time they've had to adjust to Rim culture.

Well, that and Inara's secret.



3) Considering that secret, can we really compare their reactions and behaviours when there's a fairly major factor that holds Inara back, that Nandi doesn't have to deal with? I actually don't think we're seeing the contrast of ice and fire personality wise here.

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Monday, March 28, 2011 11:02 AM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by Platonist:


Inara doesn’t go back on her word, she keeps things professional...

Nandi does whatever she wants without thinking of the consequences, she trades help, for desire and sex, she hurts her friend who has come to her aide, and she really mucks things up for Mal



Ahh, opposing council...

I dunno about professional, I seem to recall a "come to my shuttle moment" with Yo-saff... and a moment of advantage when Mal weren't conscious. I just think her rigidity was a mask for the job. The lady hath many layers, I hope we get to find out about 'em someday.

Also, Nandi said she didn't know about Mal and Inara, and appologized. Don't think she woulda gone there if she had known...And after all she is a glorified hooker on a border planet, with little else of real trade value, and Mal is a big boy who coulda said no and has no problem with that any other time...

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Monday, March 28, 2011 11:17 AM

PLATONIST


Inara baits Saffron to come back to her shuttle to expose her con; she kisses Mal while he's unconscious because she's worried he's dead. I don’t consider either one of these servicing, under a Companion contract.

Nandi knew Mal had feelings for Inara, that’s what the first part of their conversation is about, and she still went there, based on an assumption that Inara had absolutely no feelings for Mal, if it even crossed her mind to ask, its impulsive behavior, which usually ends with disastrous results, which it does.

Inara displays a lot of personal integrity, in this circumstance, which seems to be missing from Nandi’s character.

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Monday, March 28, 2011 12:27 PM

MAL4PREZ


It always bothered me about Nandi that she "learned how to say 'ain't'". I mean, come on, she was faking that whole border world accent! It makes me wonder if she was faking that whole border world tough and independent thing.

I have to admit, it bugs me enough that from day 1 I just assumed it was a quirk of the writers more than a real facet of the character. Joss wanted a tough Companion/whore who fit the Wild West, and she had to sound the part. Then he threw in the line about learning to say "ain't" to explain how someone who talks like that was once in Companion school.

Which, (sorry Joss, I'm really not worthy but I'm going to say it anyway) was just not good writing. Because if I'm going to take that line seriously, the women is a poser and a fake. I mean, she didn't just say "ain't." She played it all up! It's like walking into Southie and faking the talk. Just not cool. You'll get more respect by being who you are, then trying to convince people that you grew up rough and tumble when you didn't.

Also, Bytemite brings up a good point. It's easy to idolize the fling you've known for one day. Know her long enough, and the warts and the old underwear will come out. I'm sure Nandi had as many flaws as Inara, if only we'd had time to get to know her.

ETA: I don't really dislike Nandi, and I don't think she was intended to be a poser. But I have to defend poor Inara. OK, perhaps I need a separate post about Inara...

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Monday, March 28, 2011 12:37 PM

PLATONIST


Also, Bytemite brings up a good point. It's easy to idolize the fling you've known for one day. Know her long enough, and the warts and the old underwear will come out. I'm sure Nandi had as many flaws as Inara, if only we'd had time to get to know her.

Exactly, both characters have their level of pretense, so I can only judge them by their actions we see in the episode. In this episode, they all lose, but Inara’s integrity is intact…I just love what she says about, “what she learned,” it says a lot about what kind of person she is.

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Monday, March 28, 2011 12:44 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by mal4prez:
It always bothered me about Nandi that she "learned how to say 'ain't'". I mean, come on, she was faking that whole border world accent! It makes me wonder if she was faking that whole border world tough and independent thing.

I have to admit, it bugs me enough that from day 1 I just assumed it was a quirk of the writers more than a real facet of the character. Joss wanted a tough Companion/whore who fit the Wild West, and she had to sound the part. Then he threw in the line about learning to say "ain't" to explain how someone who talks like that was once in Companion school.



What about the whole "I didn't fit in at Companion House -it was too restricting- Dulcimer playing incident?"

I think she may have started out companion, but she liked simple life better...

BTW I love 'em both- such rich characters that we can have an argument over just one episode!

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Monday, March 28, 2011 1:14 PM

PLATONIST


Dulcimer playing incident?"

Or the former owner of the Heart of Gold, did she kill him his sleep, after servicing him?

I think she may have started out companion, but she liked simple life better...

Or the Guild shunned her, instead of offering her retirement, cause she’s nuts, like Saffron.

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Monday, March 28, 2011 1:32 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
What about the whole "I didn't fit in at Companion House -it was too restricting- Dulcimer playing incident?"


That has nothing to do with it - a poor rich girl with an attitude would do the same. Anyhow, if Nandi's that much of a wild spirit, why does she have to fake a whole accent just so she can fit into her new world? Nothing says *insecure* like a fake accent!

OK, but really, I think the writers meant her to be the free spirit that most people on this thread take her to be, and love so much. And I like that too. Which is why I'd rather accuse Joss of poor writing (Lord Joss forgive me LOL!) than really believe this of Nandi. I'd rather think that she faked the "proper" accent while in Companion school, then gave it up. Doesn't agree with the lines in the episode, but fits her character better.

Getting back to Inara - she was my least favorite character the first one or two (or five or ten) times I watched the series. Just plastic and flat. I really didn't like her.

Then I got into writing fanfic, and watched the series again looking for hints as to who Inara might really be under all that training. There are a few short moments that clue in to what she would have been if we'd had a few more seasons. I sincerely believe that the fakeness was carefully constructed, as something to be broken through. I think she has as much humor and spice as Nandi could hope to have, plus, as Platonist has spelled out, a whole lot more honor. Inara is deep. Sure, she has baggage, but...

Wait, are we saying whether we like Inara or Nandi better as pals we'd hang out with, or is the question Inara or Nandi as a better partners for Mal? Because Mal is Mr. Baggage himself. A healthy, well-adjusted woman shouldn't be within shooting distance of a relationship with that man. Inara is a better fit for him, imho. Not that I dislike Nandi, but I don't think she'd ever have really cut through his shell. Takes one to know one.

If it's the other question (ignoring Mal and 'ships) Inara's baggage just makes her more interesting to me, and her genuine kindness and gentleness would make me feel safe with her. She is "grace"-ful, in terms of accepting people for who they are. I'd hang out with her. I'd drink with Nandi, but I'd tell my darkest secrets to Inara.


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Monday, March 28, 2011 2:20 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by mal4prez:
That has nothing to do with it - a poor rich girl with an attitude would do the same. Anyhow, if Nandi's that much of a wild spirit, why does she have to fake a whole accent just so she can fit into her new world? Nothing says *insecure* like a fake accent!


Wait, are we saying whether we like Inara or Nandi better as pals we'd hang out with, or is the question Inara or Nandi as a better partners for Mal?




Boy, are you arguing THAT with the wrong person... I use a dozen accents a day, especially when walking through the ethnic grocery store with my husband I occaisionally use them with people I don't know just to have fun! I like to play that I come from many places and I'm good enough to fool alot of people. My husband does too... HE DOES A SPOT ON MAKO!!!,Aku,Mr Crabs, and several others...I am in no way insecure. I just love the way they roll off my tongue <
This thread was intentionally intended as a pick one...din't much care about why at the time...


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Monday, March 28, 2011 2:23 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by Platonist:

Or the Guild shunned her, instead of offering her retirement, cause she’s nuts, like Saffron.



To be a woman, ya have to be just a little nuts... Its a job rquirement

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Monday, March 28, 2011 4:22 PM

BYTEMITE


Quote:


Getting back to Inara - she was my least favorite character the first one or two (or five or ten) times I watched the series. Just plastic and flat. I really didn't like her.



It's funny. When I first watched the series, I liked Mal best, possibly because everyone kinda sees themselves as Mal a little, with me no exception. (little more neurotic than Mal is, but before fireflyfans I used to be pretty emotionally stunted, which if you can believe it writing fanfic helped)

But I always respected Inara right from that scene with her descending the stairs in the pilot. Anyone who can take that kind of abuse from someone like Mal has some serious backbone. So I was always looking for the deeper with Inara from that point on. And Joss similarly constructed the earlier scenes, with Inara's reactions to talking about Sihnon to raise even more questions about her depth.

I started trying to read mostly Mal focused fics, which is how I found yours, M4P, but then I began a long slow decline until I found myself really only reading Mal/Inara fics. To this day I am shamed, but there it is. I am a shipper. Maybe there are help support groups.

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Monday, March 28, 2011 5:05 PM

WISHIMAY


You...feel ways...about stuff??

Byte-I'm shocked! You've been cheeking your Prozium haven't you

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Monday, March 28, 2011 5:10 PM

BYTEMITE


Yeah... Sorry about earlier. I think I was grumpy from the 5 am wake up. Not that I don't have a 5 am wakeup every day.

Eh, who knows. My anger is inscrutable. It's not even good for hitting things.

Greenka and all other Nandi fans, also sorry.

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Monday, March 28, 2011 5:16 PM

WISHIMAY


Totally understand...6:30 not tooo much better...
Rest well tonight

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Monday, March 28, 2011 5:23 PM

KATESFRIEND


SPOILER ALERT:


Inara's baggage always made her an interesting character for me. But in light of certain "revelations" this quote takes on new importance in evaluating Inara's character development in what would come next in the series. And the forces of character development between her and Nandi.

“Remembering that I’ll be dead soon is the most important tool I’ve ever encountered to help me make the big choices in life. Because almost everything — all external expectations, all pride, all fear of embarrassment or failure – these things just fall away in the face of death, leaving only what is truly important. Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to follow your heart.”

“Your time is limited, so don’t waste it living someone else’s life. Don’t be trapped by dogma — which is living with the results of other people’s thinking. Don’t let the noise of others’ opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.”

Steve Jobs, commencement address, Stanford University 2005.

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Monday, March 28, 2011 5:44 PM

GREENKA61


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Yeah... Sorry about earlier. I think I was grumpy from the 5 am wake up. Not that I don't have a 5 am wakeup every day.



You and me both. At least now the sun is still up for a while when I get back home at the end of the day.

Quote:

Greenka and all other Nandi fans, also sorry.



None taken, Bytemite. I truly do admire Inara. I wish I had her class and manners (not to mention looks and wardrobe), but I'm somewhere between Nandi and Zoe.

You know, I think what I like about Inara the most is that in spite of her looks, class, position in society, etc., she's not mean or condescending to anyone.

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Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:41 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


While Nandi has her own allure, got to say Inara. The woman is just plain gorgeous and has a confidence and demeanor I find appealing.

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Thursday, March 31, 2011 4:42 PM

WISHIMAY


I think they are about neck 'n neck, if I read right, Nandi's up by one?

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Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:24 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


I find Nandi more attractive. Now, don't anyone twist this into me saying that Inara is not a beautiful woman, because she clearly is, but Nandi is more to my personal taste. Maybe it's something around the eyes or the mouth or the way she carries herself, but I literally can't take my eyes off her when she's on screen.


I do not need the written code of a spiritual belief to act like a decent human being.

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Wednesday, April 6, 2011 10:55 PM

WISHIMAY


I came home and turned on the tv just for a minute and Nandi was on a commercial for CSI and Inara was on a commercial for The Mentalist, and they were back to back...

And I smiled...just for a second...

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Thursday, May 30, 2013 5:20 PM

WISHIMAY


Thought I'd bump to see if anyone else wanted to even the score, muh ha ha...

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Thursday, May 30, 2013 7:03 PM

RAHLMACLAREN

"Damn yokels, can't even tell a transport ship ain't got no guns on it." - Jayne Cobb


Ah, Inara.... the smile made of sunlight.

She's the second reason I wanted to watch Firefly besides the fact it has a cool looking ship.





Find here the SERENITY you seek. -Tara Maclay

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Friday, May 31, 2013 7:08 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


2 Thumbs Waaaaaay Up!

What he said.................


SGG

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
I'll take them both.




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Friday, May 31, 2013 7:11 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


There are no words.....................to describe how on point you are.
Gorramit! Take these words and set them in gold....those green eyes and full lips do it for me........hubba, hubba!


SGG

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Originally posted by LiLi:
Nandi. She is forthright and has a certain sensuality in her every movement that appeals to me. I also have a serious thing for redheads, and those green eyes are icing on a gorgeous cake. And that voice! That glorious, husky voice! Bone-melting.


Facts are stubborn things.


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Friday, May 31, 2013 7:17 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Truth be told she loved the captain no matter what.......malady or no, she loved the captain. There's something to be said about true love, like that which the both of them had for Serenity.

I fell in love with Inara in the pilot, the look she gives Mal just as he tells her to get in the shuttle when they were being chased by the Reavers said it all.

In the BDM, loved her painting the Serenity symbol on the ship. It showed her love for Serenity.


SGG

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
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Originally posted by greenka61:
Nandi. She lacks pretension and is more self-reliant. And when she sees someone she wants, she doesn't waste time angsting over him.



Well reasoned, green!

So Nandi wins...for tonight?

Do you think Inara would have eventually dropped the pretention in later seasons? If whatever malady she suffered from were removed, would her character have changed?


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Friday, May 31, 2013 7:19 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Reason enough................;-)

BIG GRIN!


SGG

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Nandi, cause she puts out...


-F


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Friday, May 31, 2013 7:32 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Ok, seriously guys. Inara is like a sister to me, mainly because of how I've come to admire her overall character. She is wise, womanly and of sound moral character always protective of her "children" (the crew) and willing to do whatever to ensure their safety. I have come to admire her as a family member.

Now, Nandi, on the other hand is a friend of the family, meaning Inara, and fair game.....plus that other stuff on being sexy. Inara is handsomely beautiful, as well as sexy, but Nandi is a screaming steaming pile of sex appeal trapped in a near perfect body - so we're talking about 2 different forms of appeal here.

I prefer the love of a good woman, Inara.

But Nandi: va, va, vavoom!

Pardon my crudeness!


SGG

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
I find Nandi more attractive. Now, don't anyone twist this into me saying that Inara is not a beautiful woman, because she clearly is, but Nandi is more to my personal taste. Maybe it's something around the eyes or the mouth or the way she carries herself, but I literally can't take my eyes off her when she's on screen.


I do not need the written code of a spiritual belief to act like a decent human being.


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