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Least # of character interactions

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Thursday, May 13, 2004 4:05 PM

WILDHEAVENFARM


I was just thinking the other day about the last show that was my hard-core obsession --one that was cancelled three times-- and I remembered a trivia guru pointing out that the two most important characters (after the main character) had only been on camera together three times in three seasons. Wait, it was the commentary by Nathan Fillion that he was looking forward to working with Alan Tudyk on "War Stories" since they had had very little time working together thus far. Hence, a debatable trivia question to which I myself do not have an answer: Which pair of regular cast members did the fewest number of scenes together and how many was it? The OCD folks can thank me later.

Mary
Always a beast, never a burden.

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Thursday, May 13, 2004 4:08 PM

RADEGUND


Off the top of my head, Wash and River.

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Thursday, May 13, 2004 4:24 PM

RIV


I'd say Wash and River and Jayne and River. Though Jayne and River were on screen a lot for "Ariel", they never actually spoke directly to one another. In fact, And I don't think River and Wash ever actually spoke to each other. Also, I don't think she ever said his name. Of course, she never said a lot of people's names.

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Two by two. Hands of blue.-River Tam

I support River and Jayne!
I support Zoe and Wash!
I support Simon and Kaylee!
I support Mal and Inara!

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Thursday, May 13, 2004 4:33 PM

ZOID


Riv wrote:
Quote:

Though Jayne and River were on screen a lot for "Ariel", they never actually spoke directly to one another.


Jayne: "Butcher knife?"

Respectfully,

zoid

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Thursday, May 13, 2004 4:41 PM

DANALYNN26


I would have to say Wash and River too

I don't think Wash and Book ever spent that much time together either.


Dana

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Thursday, May 13, 2004 4:49 PM

MRSSPOOKY


Wash and Simon too. Those two barely interacted.

Poor Wash is left out of a lot, isn't he?

"I'll be in my bunk"

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Thursday, May 13, 2004 4:55 PM

DANALYNN26


I think wash gets left out a lot because he had to stay with the ship or he was busy piloting.

Dana

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Thursday, May 13, 2004 4:55 PM

INSIGHT SPINNER


Quote:

Originally posted by zoid:
Riv wrote:
Quote:

Though Jayne and River were on screen a lot for "Ariel", they never actually spoke directly to one another.


Jayne: "Butcher knife?"

Respectfully,

zoid


BWAAAHAHAHA. yeah, I laughed. wipes tear.

insight spinner
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Just an object. It doesn't mean what you think....

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Thursday, May 13, 2004 4:59 PM

INSIGHT SPINNER


Quote:

Originally posted by danalynn26:
I think wash gets left out a lot because he had to stay with the ship or he was busy piloting.

Dana



Or avoiding war stories so as not to further strain his marriage. But never fear for Wash, children. He gets to spend a whole lot of time with Zoe. Alan even states this in the DVD, how he interprets his character through his relationship with Zoe.

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Thursday, May 13, 2004 5:11 PM

RIV


Quote:

Originally posted by zoid:
Jayne: "Butcher knife?"

Respectfully,

zoid



Oh, I had forgotten about that!

Thinking about it, Wash hardly ever interacted with anyone, just Zoe, Kaylee, and Mal. And Simon mostly hung with River and Kaylee. And Zoe with Mal, Wash, and Jayne. And Jayne with Book, Mal, and Zoe. And Book with Jayne. And River with Simon and Kaylee. And Inara with Mal and Kaylee. Okay, Mal interacted with everyone the most. Poor Book and Wash hardly ever interacted with anyone. :(

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Two by two. Hands of blue.-River Tam

I support River and Jayne!
I support Zoe and Wash!
I support Simon and Kaylee!
I support Mal and Inara!

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Thursday, May 13, 2004 5:22 PM

ANNIK


Quote:

Originally posted by Riv:
Quote:

Originally posted by zoid:
Jayne: "Butcher knife?"

Respectfully,

zoid



Oh, I had forgotten about that!

Thinking about it, Wash hardly ever interacted with anyone, just Zoe, Kaylee, and Mal. And Simon mostly hung with River and Kaylee. And Zoe with Mal, Wash, and Jayne. And Jayne with Book, Mal, and Zoe. And Book with Jayne. And River with Simon and Kaylee. And Inara with Mal and Kaylee. Okay, Mal interacted with everyone the most. Poor Book and Wash hardly ever interacted with anyone. :(



Who was Wash again? You mean Zoe's husband?

Cheers,
Annik
... my sister's a ship. We had a complicated childhood.

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Friday, May 14, 2004 2:14 AM

LTNOWIS


Quote:

Poor Book and Wash hardly ever interacted with anyone. :(


Well, Wash and Simon had that one conversation in Serenity. And I'm pretty sure Simon and Book have spoken at least once. But I don't think River's talked much to Inara, or Wash.

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Friday, May 14, 2004 3:29 AM

EST120


Inara does watch over River in Bushwhacked, before River goes over to the abandoned ship. I would add maybe Simon and Zoe.

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Friday, May 14, 2004 3:48 AM

KNIBBLET


Quote:

Originally posted by est120:
Inara does watch over River in Bushwhacked...


Inara watches over River alot. Ever since the moment River came screaming out of the shipping crate, Inara has been there.

Look at the scene in the infirmary when River is sleeping - she's wearing Inara's gold robe. Knowing what we know about River, she knows the *feel* of that robe and knows the concern Inara has for her.

I think that River spends most of her time in her quarters or with Simon, Kaylee or Inara.

"Just keep walkin, preacher man."

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Friday, May 14, 2004 3:54 AM

DUKE


I'm having a hard job recalling any scene between Inara & Zoe....



"I'll be in my bunk..."

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Friday, May 14, 2004 4:04 AM

EST120


In Trash when Zoe and Inara are "play acting" for the benefit of Saffron.

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Friday, May 14, 2004 7:32 AM

HOWDYROCKERBABY1


Quote:

Originally posted by Riv:
Quote:

Originally posted by zoid:
Jayne: "Butcher knife?"

Respectfully,

zoid



Oh, I had forgotten about that!

Thinking about it, Wash hardly ever interacted with anyone, just Zoe, Kaylee, and Mal. And Simon mostly hung with River and Kaylee. And Zoe with Mal, Wash, and Jayne. And Jayne with Book, Mal, and Zoe. And Book with Jayne. And River with Simon and Kaylee. And Inara with Mal and Kaylee. Okay, Mal interacted with everyone the most. Poor Book and Wash hardly ever interacted with anyone. :(

_______________________________________________
Two by two. Hands of blue.-River Tam

I support River and Jayne!
I support Zoe and Wash!
I support Simon and Kaylee!
I support Mal and Inara!



Don't forget the whole episode of Jaynestown, River is either 'arguing' with Book or running from him so i think that counts!

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
MAL: This is my scrap of nowhere. You go on and find your own.
SAFFRON: You can't just leave me here, on this
lifeless piece of crap moon...
MAL: Sure I can.
SAFFRON: I'll die.
MAL: Well, as a courtesy, you might start
getting busy on that, cause all this chatter ain't doin' me any kindness.

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Friday, May 14, 2004 7:36 AM

HOWDYROCKERBABY1


Quote:

Originally posted by est120:
Inara does watch over River in Bushwhacked, before River goes over to the abandoned ship. I would add maybe Simon and Zoe.



Zoe pulled a bullet out of Simon's leg. Simon saved her from getting her insides deep fried and crispyfied.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
MAL: This is my scrap of nowhere. You go on and find your own.
SAFFRON: You can't just leave me here, on this
lifeless piece of crap moon...
MAL: Sure I can.
SAFFRON: I'll die.
MAL: Well, as a courtesy, you might start
getting busy on that, cause all this chatter ain't doin' me any kindness.

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Friday, May 14, 2004 8:11 AM

SHAMBLEAU


One of the themes of the show is that the isolated characters are gradually becoming a family. By having their relationships not solidified yet, the viewer has the pleasure of watching them beginning to interact. If the show had continued, Wash and River would have gradually gotten to know each other.

Sigh.

shambleau

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Friday, May 14, 2004 8:55 AM

LIZ


What about Inara and Wash???

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Friday, May 14, 2004 9:05 AM

SKYDANCE


Except for the "family dinners" in the kitchen (which includes absolutely everyone), I can't think of a single time Wash and Inara have had a scene together.

Edit: Whoa! Liz and I posted at the same time.

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Friday, May 14, 2004 9:27 AM

BIKISDAD


I don't remember Jayne and Inara having much to do with each other.

"That'll put marzipan on your pie plate, bingo!"

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Friday, May 14, 2004 10:50 AM

RIV


No, I don't think that Inara and Jayne talked or even stayed in the same room much. Only when there was a meal or a meeting. Somehow, I don't think Inara was overly fond of Jayne.

This whole thing has got me thinking. I think I might go back and rewatch my Firefly DVDs to see who interacted with who.

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Two by two. Hands of blue.-River Tam

I support River and Jayne!
I support Zoe and Wash!
I support Simon and Kaylee!
I support Mal and Inara!

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Friday, May 14, 2004 10:50 AM

KEVSCOAT


^That was probably more Inara's choice than Jayne's

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Friday, May 14, 2004 10:57 AM

CYBERSNARK


That time they were discussing River being a reader (in Ariel, IIRC).

(mis)Quoting from memory:
Quote:

JAYNE: I don't like the idea of folks hearing what I'm thinking.

INARA: Nobody likes the idea of hearing what you're thinking.



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We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.

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Friday, May 14, 2004 2:58 PM

HOWDYROCKERBABY1


^ sorry for being nitpicky but that quote is from Objects in Space instead of Ariel

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
MAL: This is my scrap of nowhere. You go on and find your own.
SAFFRON: You can't just leave me here, on this
lifeless piece of crap moon...
MAL: Sure I can.
SAFFRON: I'll die.
MAL: Well, as a courtesy, you might start
getting busy on that, cause all this chatter ain't doin' me any kindness.

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Friday, May 14, 2004 4:19 PM

DUCKIE


Also, Zoe and Simon interact in the beginning of The Message, when Simon explains that - though it may surprise her - he's not very good at talking to girls. She actually puts her arm around him in a buddy-buddy kind of way there.

S.A.
"We're all dreaming. ...Don't make faces."

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Friday, May 14, 2004 4:25 PM

GUNHAND


Quote:

Originally posted by Duckie:
Also, Zoe and Simon interact in the beginning of The Message, when Simon explains that - though it may surprise her - he's not very good at talking to girls. She actually puts her arm around him in a buddy-buddy kind of way there.

S.A.
"We're all dreaming. ...Don't make faces."



I think the making of the buddy buddy arm thing there was sorta to make it even more funny when she kicks in the punchline.

Wash's,"Oh it's hideous!" followed by,"Oh and there's something in a jar." Has to be the one line that always makes me make sure I'm not drinking anything when it comes up. I learned this lesson the hard way.



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around playing art critic till I get pinched by
the Man, how's about we move away from this
eerie-ass piece of work and get on with our
increasingly eerie-ass day, how's that?"

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Friday, May 14, 2004 5:54 PM

BIKISDAD


Simon and Zoe also had a fairly long discussion where Zoe explained why the ship was named Serenity, but it was in one of the deleted scenes. Does it still count?

That'll put marzipan on your pie plate, bingo!"

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Friday, May 14, 2004 6:17 PM

ELWOODMOM


Quote:

Originally posted by shambleau:
One of the themes of the show is that the isolated characters are gradually becoming a family. By having their relationships not solidified yet, the viewer has the pleasure of watching them beginning to interact. If the show had continued, Wash and River would have gradually gotten to know each other.

Sigh.

shambleau



Good way of putting it. I also don't think Wash and Inara have any interaction, but someone could prove me wrong.

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Friday, May 14, 2004 6:20 PM

HOWDYROCKERBABY1


Quote:

Originally posted by Elwoodmom:
Quote:

Originally posted by shambleau:
One of the themes of the show is that the isolated characters are gradually becoming a family. By having their relationships not solidified yet, the viewer has the pleasure of watching them beginning to interact. If the show had continued, Wash and River would have gradually gotten to know each other.

Sigh.

shambleau



Good way of putting it. I also don't think Wash and Inara have any interaction, but someone could prove me wrong.



In Objects in Space Inara chews out Jayne and Wash for goofing off at the table while they were having the important conversation.

you have been proven wrong

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
MAL: This is my scrap of nowhere. You go on and find your own.
SAFFRON: You can't just leave me here, on this
lifeless piece of crap moon...
MAL: Sure I can.
SAFFRON: I'll die.
MAL: Well, as a courtesy, you might start
getting busy on that, cause all this chatter ain't doin' me any kindness.

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Friday, May 14, 2004 6:27 PM

ELWOODMOM


I guess I need to rewatch that episode. Thanks!

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Friday, May 14, 2004 8:41 PM

ANKHAGOGO


Quote:

Originally posted by bikisdad:
I don't remember Jayne and Inara having much to do with each other.



In Out of Gas, Inara and Jayne actually have a rather lengthy conversation while Mal is waking up, but it's all in the background. Inara is wanting to clean up all the blood Mal dripped all over the ship, and Jayne doesn't think it matters.

Inara and Wash have a radio conversation in Serenity, and there's also Shindig, where she comes in to see if the landlock has been taken off. Plus in...er...Ariel...there's the whole "Can I use companion as a verb?" thing, although Wash is kinda talking to the room at large.

As to River and Jayne, other than the butcher knife, the first one that comes to mind is "Jayne is a girl's name." She says that directly to Jayne, and his "Well, Jayne ain't a girl!" is directly to River, although the rest of the sentence is to Simon.
Oh, yeah, and she does steal his bread. Does that one count?

I think it may be Book and Wash. I can't think of any scene right now with just those two,but it is pretty late, so forgive me if there's something totally obvious I forgot.

"We're just happy to be doin' good works."

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Saturday, May 15, 2004 2:57 AM

BIKISDAD


Wow, I completely missed that Inara/Jayne conversation in Out of Gas - didn't notice it at all. I guess my "punishment" will be to go watch that episode again. Yay!

I still have that question about interactions that happened in the deleted scenes - like the Zoe/Simon one deleted from Serenity. My vote is that we assume that those things happened even though they weren't included in the episode. What do ya'll think?

"That'll put marzipan on your pie plate, bingo!"

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Saturday, May 15, 2004 6:23 AM

CYBERSNARK


Quote:

Originally posted by howdyrockerbaby1:
^ sorry for being nitpicky but that quote is from Objects in Space instead of Ariel

My memory sucks.

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We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.

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Saturday, May 15, 2004 7:31 AM

GRACEOM


Quote:

Originally posted by est120:
Inara does watch over River in Bushwhacked, before River goes over to the abandoned ship. I would add maybe Simon and Zoe.



I could be misremembering, but I think Inara was going to watch over River, but went to her room only to find River already gone. So no direct interaction there, but the set up does give the idea that the two of them would be comfortable together--suggesting interactions offscreen.

Off the top of my head, I can't recall Inara interacting directly (other than all around the dinner table) with either Wash or Zoe. But I could be forgetting something...

Grace

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Saturday, May 15, 2004 8:24 AM

EST120


actually, in bushwhacked, river starts to scream and inara goes over to comfort her (i think!). they did not talk directly, though. the only interaction between zoe and inara i can think of is in trash when they are setting up saffron. i cannot think of any time that wash and inara talked directly or had any scenes with just them. of course, they did talk in serenity (over the radio) when inara is getting ready to return to the ship after her appointments are done. wash mentions that they are in a hurry.

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Sunday, May 16, 2004 5:51 PM

ZOID



Cybersnark wrote:
Quote:

My memory sucks.


Heh, heh... Mine, too!

(zoid pauses and suddenly the lyrics to Judas Priest's "Victim of Changes" leaps unbidden into his mind, for no apparent reason)

Heh, heh... Mine, too!

(zoid pauses again, as before, and suddenly a picture of Jerry Van Dyke doing "Mule Train", complete with toy horse and whip spring to mind, from somewhere in the dark recesses of his out-sized cranium)

Heh, heh... What?


Respectfully,

zoid
_________________________________________________

"Even back when, River had that indefinable 'it', y'know? Inquisitive, insightful -- Very focused... Some things never change."

- 'Wash' Warren, Chief Architect and co-proprietor, "Cretaceous Park", Hera; from A Child Shall Lead Them: A History of the Second War of Independence Wilkins, Richard

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Sunday, May 16, 2004 5:58 PM

HOWDYROCKERBABY1


Quote:

Originally posted by zoid:

Cybersnark wrote:
Quote:

My memory sucks.


Heh, heh... Mine, too!

(zoid pauses and suddenly the lyrics to Judas Priest's "Victim of Changes" leaps unbidden into his mind, for no apparent reason)

Heh, heh... Mine, too!

(zoid pauses again, as before, and suddenly a picture of Jerry Van Dyke doing "Mule Train", complete with toy horse and whip spring to mind, from somewhere in the dark recesses of his out-sized cranium)

Heh, heh... What?


Respectfully,

zoid
_________________________________________________

"Even back when, River had that indefinable 'it', y'know? Inquisitive, insightful -- Very focused... Some things never change."

- 'Wash' Warren, Chief Architect and co-proprietor, "Cretaceous Park", Hera; from A Child Shall Lead Them: A History of the Second War of Independence Wilkins, Richard



Your brain has lots of twists and cul-de-sacs doesn't it?

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
MAL: This is my scrap of nowhere. You go on and find your own.
SAFFRON: You can't just leave me here, on this
lifeless piece of crap moon...
MAL: Sure I can.
SAFFRON: I'll die.
MAL: Well, as a courtesy, you might start
getting busy on that, cause all this chatter ain't doin' me any kindness.

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Sunday, May 16, 2004 6:29 PM

ZOID


howdyrockerbaby1 wrote:

Quote:

Your brain has lots of twists and cul-de-sacs doesn't it?


Yes, I've been thinking of having it straightened or at least highlighted, but I'm not sure what the current fashion is. ;)

Actually, as part of my Top Secret clearance processing, many moons ago, my analyzing psychologist rendered the following verdict: "You have a deep and rich internal landscape". I guess he meant that as good thing...

Let's just say that my 'stream of consciousness' has a lot of whirlpools in it.


Respectfully,

zoid
_________________________________________________

"Even back when, River had that indefinable 'it', y'know? Inquisitive, insightful -- Very focused... Some things never change."

- 'Wash' Warren, Chief Architect and co-proprietor, "Cretaceous Park", Hera; from A Child Shall Lead Them: A History of the Second War of Independence Wilkins, Richard

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Sunday, May 16, 2004 6:42 PM

HOWDYROCKERBABY1


Quote:

Originally posted by zoid:
howdyrockerbaby1 wrote:

Quote:

Your brain has lots of twists and cul-de-sacs doesn't it?


Yes, I've been thinking of having it straightened or at least highlighted, but I'm not sure what the current fashion is. ;)

Actually, as part of my Top Secret clearance processing, many moons ago, my analyzing psychologist rendered the following verdict: "You have a deep and rich internal landscape". I guess he meant that as good thing...

Let's just say that my 'stream of consciousness' has a lot of whirlpools in it.


Respectfully,

zoid
_________________________________________________

"Even back when, River had that indefinable 'it', y'know? Inquisitive, insightful -- Very focused... Some things never change."

- 'Wash' Warren, Chief Architect and co-proprietor, "Cretaceous Park", Hera; from A Child Shall Lead Them: A History of the Second War of Independence Wilkins, Richard



I don't think you need to have it straightened..just maybe put up some road signs...

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
MAL: This is my scrap of nowhere. You go on and find your own.
SAFFRON: You can't just leave me here, on this
lifeless piece of crap moon...
MAL: Sure I can.
SAFFRON: I'll die.
MAL: Well, as a courtesy, you might start
getting busy on that, cause all this chatter ain't doin' me any kindness.

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Monday, May 17, 2004 2:55 PM

WILDHEAVENFARM


I did love Wash's line to Simon in "Serenity", that he always worries about Zoe, so worrying about Simon wasn't even out of his way. Struck a chord, being a worrier as I am.

Quote:

Originally posted by MrsSpooky:
Wash and Simon too. Those two barely interacted.

"I'll be in my bunk"



Mary
Always a beast, never a burden.

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Tuesday, May 18, 2004 12:45 AM

MRSSPOOKY


You know, it just struck me, thinking about character interactions in Firefly...

It didn't matter who was interacting with whom - every time one of these people opened their mouths, something really GOOD came out.

That does us all KINDS of kindness. :)

"Sir, I think you have a problem with your brain being missing."

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Tuesday, May 18, 2004 2:58 AM

THALOS


My memory is a little fuzzy but I can not remember alot of on screen scene interaction between Kaylee and Zoe. Except when they are all together at the dinner table and the like.

"Whoa, good Bible."

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Tuesday, May 18, 2004 3:13 AM

EST120


in trash when wash, zoe and kaylee discover that saffron has disabled the ship.

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Tuesday, May 18, 2004 5:45 AM

CARTAGIA


In Shindig, Zoe takes Kaylee's side over Mal's in regards to the "layer-cake" dress... "What is she mad or something?"

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and in Safe...

Zoe: “The Captain'll come up with a plan.”
Kaylee: “That's good. Right?”
Zoe: “Possibly you're not recalling some of his previous plans.”


Simon: I've never shot anyone before.

Book: I was there, son. I'm fair sure you haven't shot anyone yet.


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Wednesday, May 19, 2004 4:11 AM

MANTICHORUS


Quote:

Originally posted by insight spinner:
Quote:

Originally posted by zoid:
Riv wrote:
Quote:

Though Jayne and River were on screen a lot for "Ariel", they never actually spoke directly to one another.


Jayne: "Butcher knife?"

Respectfully,

zoid


BWAAAHAHAHA. yeah, I laughed. wipes tear.

insight spinner
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Just an object. It doesn't mean what you think....



You ain't the only one... But I managed to hold it in until River said: "He looks better in red."
Almost choked on my drink...

"BADGER: You think you're better than other people.
MAL: Just the ones I'm better than."
"I'm not an adult! I don't want to create responsible shows with lawyers in them. I want to invade people's dreams." - Joss Whedon

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Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:36 AM

HOWDYROCKERBABY1


Zoe and Kaylee interact in SAFE while Kaylee is standing over Book in the infirmary and Kaylee says it doesn't seem right that they left Simon and Kaylee

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
MAL: This is my scrap of nowhere. You go on and find your own.
SAFFRON: You can't just leave me here, on this
lifeless piece of crap moon...
MAL: Sure I can.
SAFFRON: I'll die.
MAL: Well, as a courtesy, you might start
getting busy on that, cause all this chatter ain't doin' me any kindness.

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Thursday, May 20, 2004 3:51 AM

MUROOLOK


"Plus, I can kill you with my brain" is River to Jayne isn't it?

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