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disturbing trend?

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Friday, July 9, 2004 10:41 AM

EST120


i was just talking to a friend of mine and i realized that there are a LOT of remake style movies being made lately. just a short list of released, rumored or confirmed "remakes":

starsky and hutch
superman
bewitched
amityville horror
akira
assault on precinct 13
charlie and the chocolate factory
miami vice
the manchurian candidate

also, what is the deal with all the comic book/cartoons being made into feature films? of course, the big ones:

spiderman
hulk
batman (the new one)
scooby-doo

and then the others:
catwoman
elektra
fantastic four
gi joe
garfield
speed racer
spy hunter

granted, not all of these movies will actually be made, but still, is this normal? of course, the success of spiderman must be having a huge impact on this trend.

what do people think? do you all like these kinds of movies or does it seem to be a lack or "original" ideas (even though most concepts are often "borrowed" from other works)?

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Friday, July 9, 2004 10:52 AM

SERGEANTX


I think it's just that the boomers are at an age where they're waxing nostalgic. Either that or Hollywould's just given up on being original.

Anyway, nice sig. I love that song. Can't hardly get through it without welling up.

SergeantX

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Friday, July 9, 2004 10:55 AM

PURPLEBELLY


Is it because the merchandising is easier?

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Friday, July 9, 2004 10:59 AM

HOWDYROCKERBABY1


Quote:

Originally posted by est120:
i was just talking to a friend of mine and i realized that there are a LOT of remake style movies being made lately. just a short list of released, rumored or confirmed "remakes":

starsky and hutch
superman
bewitched
amityville horror
akira
assault on precinct 13
charlie and the chocolate factory
miami vice
the manchurian candidate

also, what is the deal with all the comic book/cartoons being made into feature films? of course, the big ones:

spiderman
hulk
batman (the new one)
scooby-doo

and then the others:
catwoman
elektra
fantastic four
gi joe
garfield
speed racer
spy hunter

granted, not all of these movies will actually be made, but still, is this normal? of course, the success of spiderman must be having a huge impact on this trend.

what do people think? do you all like these kinds of movies or does it seem to be a lack or "original" ideas (even though most concepts are often "borrowed" from other works)?

"i can't comprehend the ways that i miss you, they come to light in my mistakes."
-neko case



i think it was the release of the first X-men that showed the new beginning in the comic book/movie trend.

I like Spiderman, and i like X-Men. I do think that Catwoman just looks rediculous. What superhero can realistically fight crime while wearing 5 inch slip on heels? And With her costume, you can tell that they are shooting for the 13-18 year old boy cash.

I am looking forward to Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, with Johnny Depp as Willy Wonka, this one promises to be much closer to Roald Dahl's original story, with all its shiny dark humor.

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Friday, July 9, 2004 11:12 AM

PURPLEBELLY


Quote:

Originally posted by howdyrockerbaby1:
... old boy cash.
I am looking forward to Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, with Johnny Depp as Willy Wonka


Which old boy's cash is this one aimed at?

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Friday, July 9, 2004 11:59 AM

EST120


Quote:

Anyway, nice sig. I love that song. Can't hardly get through it without welling up.



one of the best lyrics that i have ever heard. the song as a whole is just fantastic. neko case is someone that more people should listen to!

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Friday, July 9, 2004 3:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by est120:
Quote:

Anyway, nice sig. I love that song. Can't hardly get through it without welling up.



one of the best lyrics that i have ever heard. the song as a whole is just fantastic. neko case is someone that more people should listen to!

"i can't comprehend the ways that i miss you, they come to light in my mistakes."
-neko case



Totally off topic, sorry, but I can't hear "God bless me I'm a free man, with no place free to go" without thinking of Sergeant X. It's like, his theme in my head.

Yo Sarge.

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Friday, July 9, 2004 7:36 PM

THATWEIRDGIRL


Usually I avoid the remakes or rethinks until the dvd because I fear them. However, I saw Patrick Streart this morning on the View (which I never watch) talking about The Lion in Winter. He is starring in a retelling with Streep--I think. He pointed out that Hamlet is done over and over and over and no one seems to care, why not take a kickass screenplay, like The Lion in Winter, and tell it again? I never really thought of it like that. So I may just stop by and see the Candidate this summer.

Basically, there are no new stories just new actors and directors.

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Friday, July 9, 2004 9:04 PM

VEARSTWIN


I agree that Catwoman is mostly aimed for teenage boys. Out of the comic book movies Spiderman and X-Men are the best out of them. The Hulk was so bad that they should of paid me to watch it.

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is directed by the same person who directed Edward Scissorshands. Which is one of the best movies 90's!!!

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Saturday, July 10, 2004 4:31 AM

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Sequels have been around almost as long as films themselves, hitting their stride in the 30s-40s with all the Andy Hardy films, the Thin Man series, Charlie Chan, Mr. Moto, Blondie, and on and on. And as for the source of stories, novels probably still have the highest ratio, but producers will mine any and all sources, from fairy tales to comic strips (Blondie) to television shows (Star Trek). I don't think that things today are any different than at any other time in film history, except for the fact that opening boxoffice receipts seem to be the number one factor in deciding whether something is successful or not. By utilizing material that already has a built-in fanbase, producers hope to maximise that first weekend's receipts.




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Saturday, July 10, 2004 5:35 AM

ARGONAUTIKA


You seem surprised that they can make movies or should make movies out of already established properties. There are very few original story ideas out there for movies. A very large number of movies made come from books. It is just a natural progression that movies be made from comics or television shows. Its smart money to use an already developed franchise. You already have an audience base to work from. Just for fun I thought I would go through a portion of my dvd collection and put down the name of the movie and its original format.

About a Boy (book)
Along Came a Spider (book)
Big Sleep (book)
Bloodwork (book)
Bone Collector (book)
Chicago (musical)
Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon (book)
Grease (musical)
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (book)
Harry Potter and the Sorceror Stone (book)
Kiss the Girls (book)
LA Confidential (book)
Little Shop of Horrors (musical)
Lord of the Rings (book)
Maltese Falcon (book)
Master and Commander (book)
Men in Black (comic book)
Mission Impossible (tv series)
Mists of Avalon (book)
Music Man (musical)
Ocenas 11 (movie remake)
Oklahoma (musical)
Pirates of the Caribbean (theme park ride)
Princess Bride (book)
Road to Perdition (comic book)
Sleepy Hollow (book)
Tomb Raider (video game)
20000 Leagues Under the Sea (book)
Untouchables (tv series)
Wonderboys (book)
High Fidelity (book)

of course thn there is the one that we are all waiting for

Serenity (tv series)

Jason

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Saturday, July 10, 2004 6:23 AM

GUNRUNNER



LOL Adding to Argonautika list:
Flight of the Intruder (Book)
The Hunt for Red October (Book)
Clear the Present Danger (Book)
Patrot Games (Book)
The Sum of All Fears (Book)
Some of the ~20 James Bond Movies (Books)
The Enemy Below (Book)
Das Boot (Book)
Crimson Tide (Book)
The Bourne Idenity (Book)
The Guns of Navorone (Book)
Wing Commander (Game)
Bravo Two Zero (Book)
2001 and 2010 (Books)
Blade Runner (Book)
I, Robot (Book)
One Flew over the Cookoo's nest (Book)
The Longest Day (Book)
Apollo 13 ("Lost Moon"-Book)
Black Hawk Down (Book)
Hostile Waters (Book)


The list is nearly endless...

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Saturday, July 10, 2004 6:38 AM

POPEBOB


Actualy the whole Comic Book side of movies really came thru with Batman. it just took it a while to pick up some Steam. And dont for get Daredevil and the Punisher. I actualy want to go see the new Punisher Movie. It's got crazy Shark Hunter guy from Deep Blue Sea.

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Saturday, July 10, 2004 6:56 AM

BIKISDAD


Actually, for "Apollo 13" I'd call the original source material "real life". In fact, some of the very best movies I have on dvd were based on true life stories. I don't have my collection in front of me, but a couple that I can think of immediately are "Chariots of Fire" and "The Pianist". In fact, I remember last year renting about 60 dvd's over the course of the summer and thinking that only about three of them were worth buying: "Catch Me if You Can", "The Pianist", and "Freda" - all of which are based on people's real life stories.

It seems to me that much of the really great source material for movies is just the real lives of people who have more interesting lives than mine.

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Saturday, July 10, 2004 9:14 AM

HOWDYROCKERBABY1


Quote:

Originally posted by VearsTwin:


Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is directed by the same person who directed Edward Scissorshands. Which is one of the best movies 90's!!!





Tim Burton is bloody brilliant. Tim Burton and Johnny Depp together (yet again) even better!


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Saturday, July 10, 2004 9:21 AM

HOWDYROCKERBABY1


Quote:

Originally posted by PopeBob:
Actualy the whole Comic Book side of movies really came thru with Batman. it just took it a while to pick up some Steam. And dont for get Daredevil and the Punisher. I actualy want to go see the new Punisher Movie. It's got crazy Shark Hunter guy from Deep Blue Sea.

"Crime and Politics, little girl. The situation is always...Fluid."
"The only fluid I see is the puddle of piss, refusin' to pay us our wage." -Badger and Jayne , 'Serenity'



I actually think Batman is what killed comic book based movies for a while. The last Batman(s) were pretty sad movies. X-Men definately was the kicker to bring them back.

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Saturday, July 10, 2004 10:42 AM

EST120


Quote:

Originally posted by Argonautika:
You seem surprised that they can make movies or should make movies out of already established properties.



i am not really surprised at the number of movies like this that are out there. i think it is more that i am a little surprised at how well they do at the box office and how sudden it seems that many of these comic-book or remake turned movies do very well. of course, you are right, with pre-existing fan bases, a studio can almost guarantee that at least SOMEONE will go to see it. in more recent years, i agree, batman probably killed the genre for a few years and x-men brought it back in a big way.

i just thought of another one to add to your list:

teenage mutant ninja turtles (comic)

man that movie was great.


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Saturday, July 10, 2004 11:07 AM

GUNRUNNER


Quote:

Originally posted by bikisdad:
Actually, for "Apollo 13" I'd call the original source material "real life".



It was based on a Book called "Lost Moon" latter retitled "Apollo 13" written by Jim Lovel (commander of the Apollo 13 mission) and a Reporter. The source material for the book was Real Life.

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Saturday, July 10, 2004 12:12 PM

ARGONAUTIKA


Quote:

Originally posted by PopeBob:
Actualy the whole Comic Book side of movies really came thru with Batman. QUOTE]

I don't even think we can say that. I think that Batman started a new trend in contemporary potential comic book films but comics have been a part of film for a long time. In the 30's and 40's there were movie serials for Flash Gordon, Batman, Captain Marvel, Superman, Dick Tracy, Tarzan and quite a few others. Some of these characters that were only visible in the newspaper strips. There have been tv series for Batman, Wonder Woman, Superman ( a couple actually), Spider-man, as well as Flash. There have been early movies starring Prince Valiant, Tarzan, Lil Abner and even Popeye (a classic Robin Williams performance). Of course then there are the failed attempts like Punisher (Dolph Lundgren), Fantastic Four, Captain America, Howard the Duck (which I actually enjoyed), and many others. The point is, this is nothing new. It is however new to our generation as successful films. Previous films based on comic books just didn't cut it but lately there have been some very successful movies. Do not worry... Catwoman will break that trend.;)


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Saturday, July 10, 2004 3:03 PM

BIKISDAD


Quote:

Originally posted by GunRunner:
Quote:

Originally posted by bikisdad:
Actually, for "Apollo 13" I'd call the original source material "real life".



It was based on a Book called "Lost Moon" latter retitled "Apollo 13" written by Jim Lovel (commander of the Apollo 13 mission) and a Reporter. The source material for the book was Real Life.

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That's why I said the "original" source material was real life. I'd call the book a secondary, or derivative, source that chronicled the real life events.

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Saturday, July 10, 2004 3:10 PM

BIKISDAD


Quote:

Originally posted by howdyrockerbaby1:
Quote:

Originally posted by PopeBob:
Actualy the whole Comic Book side of movies really came thru with Batman. it just took it a while to pick up some Steam. And dont for get Daredevil and the Punisher. I actualy want to go see the new Punisher Movie. It's got crazy Shark Hunter guy from Deep Blue Sea.

"Crime and Politics, little girl. The situation is always...Fluid."
"The only fluid I see is the puddle of piss, refusin' to pay us our wage." -Badger and Jayne , 'Serenity'



I actually think Batman is what killed comic book based movies for a while. The last Batman(s) were pretty sad movies. X-Men definately was the kicker to bring them back.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
MAL: This is my scrap of nowhere. You go on and find your own.
SAFFRON: You can't just leave me here, on this
lifeless piece of crap moon...
MAL: Sure I can.
SAFFRON: I'll die.
MAL: Well, as a courtesy, you might start
getting busy on that, cause all this chatter ain't doin' me any kindness.



Wasn't the first comic book movie "Superman" - the Christopher Reeve one? Or were there any before that?

EDIT: Never mind! I just read the post above that answered my question - very good info.

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Saturday, July 10, 2004 9:53 PM

POPEBOB


Quote:

Originally posted by bikisdad:

Wasn't the first comic book movie "Superman" - the Christopher Reeve one? Or were there any before that?

EDIT: Never mind! I just read the post above that answered my question - very good info.

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Well yes Superman was indeed the FIRST comic book movie. However the Movie Genre of Comic Books didn't really strat untill it was affirmed by Batman. And by the way in my oinion there are only 2 Batman movies.

"Crime and Politics, little girl. The situation is always...Fluid."
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Sunday, July 11, 2004 5:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Argonautika:
Quote:

Originally posted by PopeBob:
Actualy the whole Comic Book side of movies really came thru with Batman. QUOTE]

I don't even think we can say that. I think that Batman started a new trend in contemporary potential comic book films but comics have been a part of film for a long time. In the 30's and 40's there were movie serials for Flash Gordon, Batman, Captain Marvel, Superman, Dick Tracy, Tarzan and quite a few others. Some of these characters that were only visible in the newspaper strips. There have been tv series for Batman, Wonder Woman, Superman ( a couple actually), Spider-man, as well as Flash. There have been early movies starring Prince Valiant, Tarzan, Lil Abner and even Popeye (a classic Robin Williams performance). Of course then there are the failed attempts like Punisher (Dolph Lundgren), Fantastic Four, Captain America, Howard the Duck (which I actually enjoyed), and many others. The point is, this is nothing new. It is however new to our generation as successful films. Previous films based on comic books just didn't cut it but lately there have been some very successful movies. Do not worry... Catwoman will break that trend.;)


Jason


Thank you!! I was reading this thread snickering to myself and then feeling old and sorry because of the history of bringing super heros to the big and small screen.

Oh, and thanks for reminding me that Howard the Duck is another guilty pleasure -- although it was the comic that I loved better.

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Sunday, July 11, 2004 7:11 AM

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Several people have pointed out the long tradition of moviemakers retelling the same old stories updated for different media or times... 'nothing new under the sun' and all that. That's pretty much a given, but the disturbing trend is not the mining of old stories for ideas, but lame attempts to cash in on nostalgia with poorly done re-makes.

Most of the re-makes we're seeing today have very little artistic merit and are obviously dreamt up by the marketing people before writers even get involved. I'm not saying a good movie can't come out of a process like this, but it's rare when it does and obviously not required to get people into the theaters.

And of course that's the problem. As long as people keep coughing up their money for these turds, they'll keep making (and re-making)them.

SergeantX

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Sunday, July 11, 2004 7:55 AM

PURPLEBELLY


Quote:

Originally posted by SergeantX:
not the mining of old stories for ideas, but lame attempts to cash in


Good point, well made. The art is not in the story, but in its telling.
If only the spoiler-mongers could take this on board, Whedon might not suffer prepartum paranoia - well, not so much

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Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:46 AM

ANKHAGOGO


Quote:

Originally posted by est120:
just a short list of released, rumored or confirmed "remakes":

starsky and hutch
superman
bewitched
amityville horror
akira
assault on precinct 13
charlie and the chocolate factory
miami vice
the manchurian candidate

also, what is the deal with all the comic book/cartoons being made into feature films? of course, the big ones:
spiderman
hulk
batman (the new one)
scooby-doo
and then the others:
catwoman
elektra
fantastic four
gi joe
garfield
speed racer
spy hunter



Batman and Superman have been around forever, so they're exempt from my theory. Bewitched is as well.
Alot of the stuff listed isn't baby boomer stuff. It's Gen X, mid-70s -80s stuff. Everyone I know watched GI Joe, Spiderman, Speed Racer cartoons when we were younger,and let's not forget Justice League (Wonder Twin powers, activate!), and Scooby-Do, of course. If you sit through all the credits on both Spiderman movies, you get to hear a whole version of the cartoon theme song, actually, besides the fact that it's actually sung by people in the movies.
There's also the Hulk tv show and Starsky & Hutch,which everyone I know watched. Honestly,I don't know a single baby boomer who knows what Assault on Precinct 13 or Akira is (and WHY does Akira need to be remade?), though I'm sure there are some.
Willy Wonka as well is more a Gen X thing,the fact that it was a book first notwithstanding.
Plus, if you check out toys lately, you'll see that He-man, Transformers, and Strawberry Shortcake have all made a comeback.
I think there's two reasons for this - the marketing people have realized that a large chunk of Gen X now has kids, and is indirectly marketing to the parents through the kids (He-Man? I played with He-Man! My kids'll love it!), while directly marketing with stuff like Speed Racer movies.
Second - with movies, I suspect there are Gen-Xers pitching the ideas, and they're the ones gettin' a bit nostalgic. Frankly, I'm expecting an A-Team or Dukes of Hazzard movie any day now.

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Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:51 AM

EST120


Quote:

Honestly,I don't know a single baby boomer who knows what Assault on Precinct 13 or Akira is (and WHY does Akira need to be remade?),



assault on precinct 13 was not a high profile movie, but it was actually quite good. i agree, though. akira does not need to be remade EXCEPT if they do the ENTIRE manga series in the new movie.


Quote:

Second - with movies, I suspect there are Gen-Xers pitching the ideas, and they're the ones gettin' a bit nostalgic. Frankly, I'm expecting an A-Team or Dukes of Hazzard movie any day now.


as i understand it, there is a dukes of hazzard movie in the works with a 2006 release date.


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Sunday, July 11, 2004 12:22 PM

DESANGRO


Quote:

Originally posted by PopeBob:
Actualy the whole Comic Book side of movies really came thru with Batman. it just took it a while to pick up some Steam. And dont for get Daredevil and the Punisher. I actualy want to go see the new Punisher Movie. It's got crazy Shark Hunter guy from Deep Blue Sea.

"Crime and Politics, little girl. The situation is always...Fluid."
"The only fluid I see is the puddle of piss, refusin' to pay us our wage." -Badger and Jayne , 'Serenity'



What about the original "The Crow"? The sequels were horrible, but the original with Brandon Lee and Michael Wincott rocked.

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Sunday, July 11, 2004 12:23 PM

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est120 wrote:
Quote:

as i understand it, there is a dukes of hazzard movie in the works with a 2006 release date.


Yes, and this chills me to my very core, as it has been foretold in the Holy Apocalypse as the final sign of the undoing of the Dark One's prison. Weep for the future.

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Sunday, July 11, 2004 4:25 PM

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Sequels haven't just been around since the beginning of movies - they've been around since the beginning of any sort of storytelling. It would seem they've been around since the beginning of *time*. Homer followed up his enormous hit poem "The Illiad" with the still-popular "The Odyssey".

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Sunday, July 11, 2004 5:58 PM

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Originally posted by est120:
just a short list of released, rumored or confirmed "remakes":





Batman and Superman have been around forever, so they're exempt from my theory. Bewitched is as well.
Alot of the stuff listed isn't baby boomer stuff. It's Gen X, mid-70s -80s stuff. Everyone I know watched GI Joe, Spiderman, Speed Racer cartoons when we were younger,and let's not forget Justice League (Wonder Twin powers, activate!), and Scooby-Do, of course. If you sit through all the credits on both Spiderman movies, you get to hear a whole version of the cartoon theme song, actually, besides the fact that it's actually sung by people in the movies.
There's also the Hulk tv show and Starsky & Hutch,which everyone I know watched. Honestly,I don't know a single baby boomer who knows what Assault on Precinct 13 or Akira is (and WHY does Akira need to be remade?), though I'm sure there are some.
Willy Wonka as well is more a Gen X thing,the fact that it was a book first notwithstanding.
Plus, if you check out toys lately, you'll see that He-man, Transformers, and Strawberry Shortcake have all made a comeback.
I think there's two reasons for this - the marketing people have realized that a large chunk of Gen X now has kids, and is indirectly marketing to the parents through the kids (He-Man? I played with He-Man! My kids'll love it!), while directly marketing with stuff like Speed Racer movies.
Second - with movies, I suspect there are Gen-Xers pitching the ideas, and they're the ones gettin' a bit nostalgic. Frankly, I'm expecting an A-Team or Dukes of Hazzard movie any day now.

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I beg to differ. The Baby Boom started post WWII, so most people point to the children born in the late 40s and early 50s as boomers. In fact, the Baby Boom continued until the early 1960s, '62 comes to mind, but I would have to look up the year. The largest cohort in the Baby Boom consists of those of us born in 1957. You guessed it -- that's my year. People always leave us out of the equation because there is a romantic fascination with the leading edge of the baby boom, as ther should be, because they are quintessential boomers born out of the prosperity of our returned heros-- yada, yada.

So what you state as Gen X is actually a blend with tail-o-the-boom. I already claimed several in my post above, and you mention several others above (speed racer, scooby-do, GI Joe, spidey cartoon, Willy Wonka (can't wait to see Johnny do this -- oh yeah!!) I would consider squarely part of the boomer past -- these are shows I tracked with my 1954-born brother. Not that this matters much (except to late boomers like myself). The point is that both generations are old enough to toss down the nostalgia dollars.

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Sunday, July 11, 2004 7:58 PM

ARGONAUTIKA


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Originally posted by Ankhagogo:

I think there's two reasons for this - the marketing people have realized that a large chunk of Gen X now has kids, and is indirectly marketing to the parents through the kids (He-Man? I played with He-Man! My kids'll love it!), while directly marketing with stuff like Speed Racer movies.
Second - with movies, I suspect there are Gen-Xers pitching the ideas, and they're the ones gettin' a bit nostalgic. Frankly, I'm expecting an A-Team or Dukes of Hazzard movie any day now.




I agree with you that it is very much the Gen X adults marketing the retro 80's pop culture franchises at the adult Gen X audience. They do have children now and those that don't want to relive a bit of their childhoods as the start to go through thier midlife crisis. It works with the toys, the movies and right on down to the comic books. I never dreamed I would see comic books for GI Joe, Transformers, Thundercats, or Battle of the Planets but they are all out there and each has a pretty good following. Is it a bad trend. No. It's a money making one. Isn't the phrase, "what goes around comes around"? Does that apply to cultural trends? GI Joe alone has been around forever. And every so decade or two he goes through a remolding. When my grandfather was a child GI Joe was a 12 inch action figure. When I was a kid he was 4.5 inches tall and now he's both to satisfy both markets. The question is not what a terrible trend this is but more to the point, when the current generation is my age and older, what pop culture craze will come back for their children to experience? In trying to look toward the future it is hard to imagine what will be the next My Little Pony or Care Bears. Will it be Bratz? Or will our society have to fall back on the Japanese icons of today like Yu-Gi-Oh and Gundam? It is interesting to think about. I am hoping for the tin robots and ray guns from the fifties. Bring back the simpler time.

I'm done rambling. Until my muse strikes me upside the head again with a big ol soapbox stick.

Jason

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Sunday, July 11, 2004 11:29 PM

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what about all the recent horror remakes, hollywood cant leave anything alone.

for example "texas chaisaw massacre" bigger budget lesser scares( if any)

dawn of the dead (2004) more like "yawn of the dead".

ringu(original japenese title) american version "the ring" the only decent thing in the remake was the scene with the horse.

and now the recent rumour is... a remake of "halloween"

hollywood/studios stop with the awful remakes and the soddin aimed at teens horror aka watered down horror.
ok thats my rant over.

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Monday, July 12, 2004 5:05 AM

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Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is directed by the same person who directed Edward Scissorshands. Which is one of the best movies 90's!!!





Tim Burton is bloody brilliant. Tim Burton and Johnny Depp together (yet again) even better!



Don't forget Danny Elfman! Musical genius.

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Monday, July 12, 2004 6:17 AM

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Of the recent surge of remakes, I have to agree that it's more than likely not a creative choice, but a financial one, and that's pretty dismaying.

As far as the comics-to-movies surge, I'd say it has a great deal to do with how far special effects have come in the last 10 years or so. Comic-book superheroes are more difficult to make realistic-looking than, say, spaceships. With the advent of CGI technology, suddenly not only can powers be displayed vividly and believably, but entire characters can be rendered. Hulk can be FRIGGING HUGE and interact realistically whith his surroundings. Spiderman can fling himself effortlessly hither and thither and it looks like it's a stunt man doing some waaaaay incredible shit. I mean look at Godzilla (I know, not comic-book, but still...), I thought the actual creature in the movie looked awesome... he just didn't have a script that was worth a damn or decent direction .

Three cheers, I say. I'm glad as hell that my favorite comic book characters are appearing on the big screen.

Peace

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Monday, July 12, 2004 7:18 AM

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I think it'll be a trend til a lot of them start bombing or people just lose interest. Hollywood works off whatever else is working, so when X-Men was successful, many of the companies that already owned liscences got working on putting those to use.

Lets also not forget Blade...I think that broke the trend before X-men.

Anyways, just like the trend with historical/mythical epics right now.

Troy / King Arthur/ and now Alexander is coming out soon.

I'm hoping the trend dies down soon, I want some more originality in the biz.

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Monday, July 12, 2004 8:40 AM

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gi joe

Bwuh? Hadn't heard of this.

Though, you did miss the 80s remake I'm getting excited about: Transformers.

Yes, Hollywood movers & shakers are currently in talks about a live-action/CGI Transformers G1 movie. I'm hoping for John Goodman as Sparkplug.

Tough really, with the Beast Era, RiD, and Armada, Transformers never really stopped being cool. . .

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Monday, July 12, 2004 8:51 AM

EST120


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Bwuh? Hadn't heard of this.


it is mostly a rumor, i think. check it out at this website.

http://www.cinescape.com/0/editorial.asp?obj_id=38424&aff_id=0&this_ca
t=Development+Heck


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Though, you did miss the 80s remake I'm getting excited about: Transformers.

Yes, Hollywood movers & shakers are currently in talks about a live-action/CGI Transformers G1 movie. I'm hoping for John Goodman as Sparkplug.

Tough really, with the Beast Era, RiD, and Armada, Transformers never really stopped being cool. . .

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i did hear about this. i hope they do it with some good CGI. that would be pretty neat to see. there is a transformers playstation game that is supposed to be pretty cool, so that may be sparking more interest. i hope they use the characters from the original series. they were the best, although many of them perished in the movie.


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Monday, July 12, 2004 7:37 PM

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as i understand it, there is a dukes of hazzard movie in the works with a 2006 release date.


Yes, and this chills me to my very core, as it has been foretold in the Holy Apocalypse as the final sign of the undoing of the Dark One's prison. Weep for the future.



That's not the worst part... Daisy Duke is going to be played by none other than Jessica Simpson.

Why do all singers think they can act? Or rather, that they should act?

But on to the topic at hand...

I think part of the problem is that there is a perception that if a movie doesn't have a big opening weekend then it is automatically a failure. So studios have been trying to find ways to guarantee an audience and the easiest way is to give the audience something they know they'll like. We don't need to wait to read the reviews or hear what other people have thought of a movie if it's Starsky and Hutch or The Stepford Wives. We already know what it's about and whether we'll waste the 10 bucks to see it.

Anyway, that's just my 2 cents.

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Wednesday, July 14, 2004 8:39 AM

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I beg to differ. The Baby Boom started post WWII...the largest cohort in the Baby Boom consists of those of us born in 1957. You guessed it -- that's my year. People always leave us out of the equation because there is a romantic fascination with the leading edge of the baby boom, as ther should be, because they are quintessential boomers born out of the prosperity of our returned heros-- yada, yada.
So what you state as Gen X is actually a blend with tail-o-the-boom. I already claimed several in my post above, and you mention several others above I would consider squarely part of the boomer past -- these are shows I tracked with my 1954-born brother. Not that this matters much (except to late boomers like myself).



Oh, I'm not gonna argue that "late boomers" get left out, because my friends and I have had discussions about that very thing, but we have also come to the conclusion that "late boomers" is not a good name for them. No,we don't have a better one, but they are a sandwich generation and therefore have big parts of two others, which makes them totally neither one. I will accept you saying the stuff I listed are part of the late boomer demographic, but I still think there needs to be a better designation for that group.
And don't even get me STARTED on the whole "18-35" demographic. I'm 35. What makes marketing people think that I'm going to be interested in the same things as most 18 year olds are? Are they insane? My favourite example is something I read calling "The OC" the most popular show in the 18-35 year old demographic. I don't know a single soul over the age of 22 who watches The OC (and yes, I do know 22 year old people. ) They need to divide that up a bit; say 16 or 17-22, then 23 to like 35.
Yes, I'm a micro managing freak, and this was not really meant to be a rant.
It just turned into one.
Sorry.

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Wednesday, July 14, 2004 10:01 AM

MER


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Originally posted by Kellaina:

That's not the worst part... Daisy Duke is going to be played by none other than Jessica Simpson.

Why do all singers think they can act? Or rather, that they should act?



I know it'll sound weird coming from me, but she did do a believable character in That 70's Show. But I dunno. Somehow I'm glad it was her and not Britney.
Note: I'm not a Jessica Simpson fan.

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Wednesday, July 14, 2004 10:16 AM

CYBERSNARK


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Originally posted by est120:
i did hear about this. i hope they do it with some good CGI. that would be pretty neat to see. there is a transformers playstation game that is supposed to be pretty cool, so that may be sparking more interest. i hope they use the characters from the original series. they were the best, although many of them perished in the movie.

The game is Transformers: Armada, making a great (PS2 ONLY ) game out of a crappy series. Seriously crappy. Like the animated equivalent of FOX programming.

The guy responsible (the guy who wrote the X-Men movies, IIRC) has confirmed that he's looking to use the G1 cast, them being the Originals'n'all. Otherwise the nostalgia aspect wouldn't really matter (much as I'd love to see Beast Wars done with Hollywood-calibre CGI. . .). He's also stated that he himself is more a fan of the comics, which had a different storyline (and different characters [emotional Soundwave, intelligent Grimlock, talkative Ravage, etc.]).

It'll probably be closer to "More Than Meets The Eye" --the original TV pilot, just dialled forward to the present (going back to 1984 would just be silly). They can't really start things in media res if they want to appeal to new viewers. Basically the same "problem" Serenity has; gotta keep things fresh, but still appeal to the old fans.

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Wednesday, July 14, 2004 11:43 AM

INSIGHT SPINNER


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Originally posted by Ankhagogo:
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I beg to differ. The Baby Boom started post WWII...the largest cohort in the Baby Boom consists of those of us born in 1957. You guessed it -- that's my year. People always leave us out of the equation because there is a romantic fascination with the leading edge of the baby boom, as ther should be, because they are quintessential boomers born out of the prosperity of our returned heros-- yada, yada.
So what you state as Gen X is actually a blend with tail-o-the-boom. I already claimed several in my post above, and you mention several others above I would consider squarely part of the boomer past -- these are shows I tracked with my 1954-born brother. Not that this matters much (except to late boomers like myself).



Oh, I'm not gonna argue that "late boomers" get left out, because my friends and I have had discussions about that very thing, but we have also come to the conclusion that "late boomers" is not a good name for them. No,we don't have a better one, but they are a sandwich generation and therefore have big parts of two others, which makes them totally neither one. I will accept you saying the stuff I listed are part of the late boomer demographic, but I still think there needs to be a better designation for that group.
And don't even get me STARTED on the whole "18-35" demographic. I'm 35. What makes marketing people think that I'm going to be interested in the same things as most 18 year olds are? Are they insane? My favourite example is something I read calling "The OC" the most popular show in the 18-35 year old demographic. I don't know a single soul over the age of 22 who watches The OC (and yes, I do know 22 year old people. ) They need to divide that up a bit; say 16 or 17-22, then 23 to like 35.
Yes, I'm a micro managing freak, and this was not really meant to be a rant.
It just turned into one.
Sorry.

"You two are the two who are the two! I'm the other one!"


Made you rant! Ha-ha!

Seriously, it is worth ranting about that marketing folks think they can wrap us all up in such neat little packages. Nonetheless, the definitions are quite clear.

Plus, you are so cute saying that
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but we have also come to the conclusion that "late boomers" is not a good name for them.
. Since I am one of them, I suppose I can call myself what I like...even if you are right that the label sucks.

Oh...& can I rant with you for a minute? Saw another boomer ref. today -- focused on retirement or some such. Seriously people, I am a boomer and I don't yet rate a senior meal at any eating establishment. Stop rushing me into geeserdom with the leading edge of my cohort. There. I said it. My cohort.

Thanks for the grin, Ankhagogo!!


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