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Are you a big sap? A softie? What scene or episode turns on the waterworks?

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Monday, August 9, 2004 6:36 AM

STATIC


And why? If you're inclined to speak as to why.

"Jaynestown" at the end. . .I get get a little choked up when Mal is trying to explain to poor Jayne why someone actually felt him worthy of sacrifice. I work with kids, and when they face loss. . .especially for the first time. . .I'm one of the ones they always want to come to for an explanation.

"The Message". . .Tracey's death and the end of the episode kills me every time. The whole 'losing a war buddy' thing.

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Monday, August 9, 2004 6:45 AM

KNIBBLET


I think it's all in River's voice in "OiS". The pain and hurt - the looks on the faces of her crewmates when she drags their fears into the light of day.

And the moment Wash tells Zoe to 'run' in "War Stories".

"Just keep walkin, preacher man."

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Monday, August 9, 2004 6:46 AM

MILORADELL


The Message - about the last third of it starts me weeping. And I despise Tracey. Just do not like him at all. But it's the music, and the look on Mal's face as they end the episode. Always has me crying like a baby!

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Monday, August 9, 2004 6:55 AM

PURPLEBELLY


Well, I'm a middle-aged guy so what makes me cry is little girls being brave; if you need the mechanism explained, just ask any parent who's been to the school concert/play. So, it's River in Serenity and it's River in Safe and it's River in Ariel and it's River in War Stories and it's River in Objects in Space and it's River ... well supported by the nuanced performances of Glau and Maher, but mostly it's River

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Monday, August 9, 2004 7:00 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


I think the one scene that really gets me is Mal & Zoe carrying Tracy's body off of Serenity when they reach his family's home planet. I am a vet and I have lost friends in the service, so that scene just really hits pretty close to home for me.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."


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Monday, August 9, 2004 7:05 AM

DORTMUNDER


"The Message" when Tracey is shot and dying and he repeats the "when you can't run, you crawl," bit.

Also "Out of Gas." Two moments. When everybody has just left and Mal is walking through the ship closing all the doors behind him, that moment with the music and directing and of course acting is amazing. Also another heart string tugger is when the guys who tried to take Serenity are leaving and the guy says "You woulda done the same," and the delivery of the line "We can already see I haven't," was just SOO perfec.t

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Monday, August 9, 2004 7:33 AM

IZZOW


This may seem strange, but what gets me is when Wash says Niska isn't going to get days to torture Mal. Something about protecting and saving friends always gets me. I'm just a sucker for the noble and honorable acts.

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Monday, August 9, 2004 7:43 AM

CYBERSNARK


"Out of Gas." Final "present" scene.

Quote:

You all gonna be here when I wake up?


Especially when contrasted with Mal's belief about dying alone.

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Monday, August 9, 2004 8:04 AM

MALLOVER42


I always cry at (and I can't believe nobody has mentioned this yet) "Is it time to go to sleep?" "No, mei-mei, its time to wake up." From Ariel . And of course, the last scene in The Message

"And what does that make us?" "Big damn heroes, sir!" "Ain't we just?"

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Monday, August 9, 2004 8:17 AM

RIVERSBOUNTY


Must agree. The final scene in "Out of Gas" was when I went, "I'm not a gay man, but I think I love Mal." And of course, all things Firefly, meaning the rest of the crew, and in a very abstract way, the infirmary. Because if a show can make me shed a tear or multiples, it's got me.

Also without a doubt, River's "I'll be your bounty" scene in "Objects in Space," Kaylee in the scene with Jubal, the end of "The Message"...and Inara shatters my heart into tiny pieces during her crying scene in "Heart of Gold," because it's just...I mean, come on.

Also, while the end scene of "Jaynestown" doesn't water my eyes, it does pull at me. And as strong as that scene is, the soft, almost painful reprise of "The Hero of Canton," along with that shot of Mal and Jayne standing there alone...just skyrockets it to another level, in my opinion. I'll watch that episode just to hear that piece of music.

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"You know, you ain't quite right."
"That's the popular theory."

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Monday, August 9, 2004 8:35 AM

TEELABROWN


Well, it takes a lot to get me crying, so htese are the ones that would make me cry if I were more emotional. Or maybe not. They pull at me though.

Serenity- Where Mal tells Simon that Kaylee's dead. I know she's not, but it still makes me want to cry.

The end of Ariel, with Simon and River.

The end of the Message, particularly the funeral.

The end of Jaynestown, when Mal and Jayne are talkng.

And I think that's all I thought of. And if that sentance sounds odd, it makes sense to me.

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Monday, August 9, 2004 8:49 AM

RHYMEPHILE


A good combination of a heartbreaking scene and wonderful music...that gets me every time. The end of "The Message" does it.

And not something that makes me cry, but one of the few times I've ever been shocked at a snippet of TV show dialogue: When Jubal asks Kaylee if she's ever been raped in "Objects in Space." That one line scared the hell out of me.

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Monday, August 9, 2004 8:50 AM

LADYDISDAIN


So many have already been mentioned: End of 'The Message', Inara in 'Heart of Gold', "It's time to wake up" from 'Ariel', obviously... Oh, and what gets me about the Jayne-Mal conversation from Jaynestown is the music in the background, the gentle reprise of Jayne's song in that soft guitar.

But here's an unpopular opinion! "Safe". The building of Simon's protectiveness for his sister all the way through, to that moment when he realises he can do nothing to stave off their ignorance, and "Light it". So much of Simon and River sets me off, and I blame my own big brother for that.

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Monday, August 9, 2004 8:54 AM

TETHYS


Quote:

Originally posted by Cybersnark:
"Out of Gas." Final "present" scene.

Quote:

You all gonna be here when I wake up?




exactly

"You replaced Firefly with *barf* Fastlane?!"
Zoe:"Take me Sir. Take me hard" - War Stories

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Monday, August 9, 2004 9:02 AM

STATIC


WHAT? My dear lady Disdain! Are you yet living?

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Monday, August 9, 2004 9:17 AM

LADYDISDAIN


Is it possible Disdain should die, while she hath such meet food to feed it as Signior Benedick?

Aren't you just my new favourite person ever!

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Monday, August 9, 2004 9:20 AM

STATIC


Quote:

Originally posted by Cybersnark:
"Out of Gas." Final "present" scene.

Quote:

You all gonna be here when I wake up?





You know. . .that one gets me also, but for different reasons.

The night I returned from Afghanistan, my wife and I lay in bed. . .she was exhausted because it was about 3:30 AM and she had been up since early that morning. . .and I could see that she was struggling to stay awake. I told her that she needed to go ahead and get some sleep.

"No," she said, "I'm afraid to go to sleep."
"Don't worry." I told her, "I'll be here when you wake up."
"Promise?"
"I promise."

With that reassurance, she finally drifted off. Whenever I see that final scene in OoG, I remember my first night home with my wife.

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Monday, August 9, 2004 9:23 AM

STATIC


Quote:

Courtesy herself must convert to Disdain if you come in her presence.


Then is courtesy a turncoat. But it is certain I am loved of all ladies, only you excepted and I would I could find in my heart that I had not a hard heart, for truly, I love none.



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Monday, August 9, 2004 9:41 AM

KIQUOA



Gah!!!! Stop it Static, yer getting me all choked up with your story. How can I carry on my image as a cold hearted and diabolical IT guy when you've got me weepy at work?!?!

I'm suprised it isn't mentioned yet, but the scene from Trash where Simon has Jayne paralyzed and helpless in the infirmary. Simon assures Jayne that he will be safe no matter what he does.
The whole 'path of redemption' plot really gets me, and Simon's words were just what Jayne was needing.


How is this for strange, the Message is the one that was really emotional for a lot of folks, yet it didn't do much for me. I'm not arguing that it failed to have dramatic effect, I'm just not sure why I was so indifferent to that episode... Wierd.

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Monday, August 9, 2004 9:42 AM

LADYDISDAIN


A dear happiness to women! They would else have been troubled with a pernicious suitor. I thank God, and my cold blood, I am of your humour for that. I had rather hear my dog bark at a crow, than a man swear he loves me.

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Monday, August 9, 2004 11:04 AM

STATIC


God keep your ladyship still in that mind so some gentleman or other shall 'scape a preedestinate scratched face!


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Monday, August 9, 2004 11:19 AM

KNIBBLET


Quote:

Originally posted by Static:
I told her that she needed to go ahead and get some sleep.
"No," she said, "I'm afraid to go to sleep."
"Don't worry." I told her, "I'll be here when you wake up."
"Promise?"
"I promise."
With that reassurance, she finally drifted off.



Ohhhh sure! Go ahead and make the arch bitch of the universe weep like a wee bitty girl.
I've never met you, but I'm grateful to the 'Verse that you and your Princess are together.

"Just keep walkin, preacher man."

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Monday, August 9, 2004 12:08 PM

SUPERFLY


Well, "The Message" really got me too, but for maybe a different reason. One, I was happy to see the little punk go, but the funeral was one more death in Mal's history. Mostly it got me cuz of that beautiful music. The composer did a really fine job on that one. The thing that really hit me though is the half a second scene where Jayne is taking off his hat in respect. It seems a little out of character, but the look on his face is pure sadness. Only time I've seen Jayne look like that through the whole series. It just got to me.

"Also, I can kill you with my brain."

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Monday, August 9, 2004 12:14 PM

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Simon and River. No question, hands down. More than once too. When River says she didn't think Simon would come for her,and he calls her a dummy.

Tracy's death scene too. Even though he tried to play them, in the end, he knew they would still stay true to their word and take him home. So many folks out there would say 'screw it ' and just dump his body out in space and be done w/ it. Makes me feel good that Joss chose to show some dignity with his characters.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Monday, August 9, 2004 12:17 PM

MER


*At first it was only in "Safe" when Simon hugged River just before she was going to get burned.
*The end of "Message". With the voice over, everybody looking sad, and Mal looking toward the camera. @___@ I'm thinking it's mostly Firefly's cancelation look right there and partly of the old war buddy's family mourning.
*End of "Objects In Space". From when River jumps from Jubal's ship and asks Mal if she's allowed to come back in to River and Kaylee playing Tacks

*Now to add to that is when Simon is explaining his story about River and him in "Serenity".

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Monday, August 9, 2004 12:34 PM

LADYDISDAIN


I am ashamed to have not mentioned this... but Simon's killer monologue from the pilot. And the "You're a dummy" line, too, how could I have missed it.

Let's face it, Ron Glass isn't the only one who gets weepy just thinking about Firefly...

Oh, and Static...

Scratching could not make it worse, an 'twere such a face as yours were.

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Monday, August 9, 2004 1:03 PM

VEARSTWIN


I think that the end of 'Message', end of 'JaynesTown', the end of 'Ariel', also when Rivers talking in 'Objects in Space' and at Nandi's funeral all make me cry.

"Jayne is a girl's name"-River

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Monday, August 9, 2004 1:13 PM

STATIC


Oh, you are a RARE parrot-teacher!

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Monday, August 9, 2004 1:33 PM

LADYDISDAIN


A bird of my tongue is better than a beast of yours!

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Monday, August 9, 2004 1:53 PM

THELEFTHAND


Ignoring the diatribes of our local Shakespeareans:

"The Message": You all have it wrong. The weepy part occurs when Mal says, "I just carried the bullet for a while." Or something to that effect. It makes me so weepy, I don't think I can even remember the quote correctly. Fillion's voice actually cracks, or whatever it does.

"Serenity": The end. Book: "I think I'm on the wrong ship" until that parting shot with the whore blessing the preacher. Oh dear!!

"Objects In Space": Kaylee's response to the rape question.

"Ariel": Jayne: "Don't tell 'em what I did."

Sometimes (read: most of the time) it's got as much to do with the delivery as it does the actual line.

These are a few of my favorite things...and please let's keep this thread confined to the topic and Shakespeare and NOT a place to try and impress people by dropping references to the Sound of Music.

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Monday, August 9, 2004 2:22 PM

LERXST


In Safe:

"You gave up everything you had to find me. And you found me broken."

"Mei mei, everything I have - is right here."


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Monday, August 9, 2004 2:27 PM

PIRATEJENNY


I think its River and Simon in Safe..I'm a big sap when it comes to River and Simon scenes anyway its the one where they are going to try to burn her at the stake because the towns people who kidnapped them think she's a witch and Simon knows there is nothing he can do at that point to save her so he climbs up on the funeral pire so that he can burn with her...if she's going to die then he's going to die with her...

there are many others too....simon is this sweet guy ..but when it comes to his sister..there is nothing he won't do for her..it makes me melt everytime

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Monday, August 9, 2004 3:41 PM

SIOUX



Everybody dies alone.

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Monday, August 9, 2004 4:20 PM

TRUTHSEEKER


Quote:

Originally posted by Static:
Whenever I see that final scene in OoG, I remember my first night home with my wife.



*Sniff, sniff.* That was really beautiful.

Please pass the Kleenex...

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Monday, August 9, 2004 4:56 PM

ALIENZOOKEEPER


My favorite part, even though i'm an agnostic, is the bit with the bible. Book tells River-

"You don't fix Faith, River. Faith fixes you."

He's talking about himself, but that also describes River's situation. Simon's faith that he can fix River and the leap of faith the crew is taking with River, as they learn more and more about her.

Vince

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Monday, August 9, 2004 6:09 PM

THUNDAR


Considering I happen to be in Love with a Woman that resembles Morena, has many of the same mannerisms and the same smile. I have to say, Inara's crying in "Heart of Gold", did me in.

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Monday, August 9, 2004 6:14 PM

LINDYCAT


The third line of the theme always makes me tear up when I'm singing along.

At the end of Jaynestown.

At the end of Heart of Gold when Inara says she's leaving.

There are many moments that are so well timed with the music, I tend to feel very open with this show.

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Monday, August 9, 2004 6:51 PM

PINGJING


Static, that was beautiful.

Definitely OoG, "Y'all going to be here when I wake up?"
The end of Heart of Gold, the dialogue between Mal and Inara.
War Stories, when Mal keeps Wash going, and later, the moment between Zoe and Wash, when he tells her to run.
Those are the big ones for me, I guess.

Julia

p.s. Static and LadyDisdain, you are too funny. I have never read a more entertaining thread.

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Monday, August 9, 2004 7:17 PM

STATIC


Quote:

Originally posted by LadyDisdain:
A bird of my tongue is better than a beast of yours!



I would my horse had the speed of your tongue, and so good a continuer! But keep your way, in God's name, I'm done.



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Monday, August 9, 2004 7:44 PM

NOOCYTE


Like Static, I always mist up when Mal asks if everyone will still be there when he wakes up (though, unlike Static, I lack a profoundly moving back-story to my reaction!)

"Everybody dies alone." 'Nuff said.

At the end of "Serenity," when Kaylee rubs the engine and sighs, "that's my girl. That's my good girl." Not sure why, but I always find myself tearing up and grinning at that moment.

That little fiddle theme at the end of "Bushwhacked," as the Alliance cruiser is scuttling the derelict. Apart from being a lovely, haunting cue, it really reflects back on the horrifying, devastatingly sad fate of all the souls on that transport.

There are more I'm sure. But these are all I can think of right now, and I don't want to come across as too weepy!

Keep (*sniff*) Flyin'!



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Monday, August 9, 2004 7:59 PM

THEREALME


Static, I am delighted that your story had a happy ending.

And I DO enjoy Shakespeare. LadyDisdain's alias had touched some memory, but I couldn't place the reference.

As to the softie topic, I agree with just about everything mentioned here. Aside from that jerk Tracy. Sorry, I would have spaced his dead ass and, yes, missed that beautiful, moving music at the end of Message.

But the REALLY big one for me was River's surrender in Objects in Space, the "I'll be your bounty" speech.

It actually brought a single manly tear to the right eye of The Real Me...

Just before the whimpering and blubbering started...



The Real Me

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Monday, August 9, 2004 8:32 PM

LADYDISDAIN


You always end with a jade's trick... I know you of old.

Which of course I don't. Which is to say: Hi, Static, nice to meet you! *laughs*

Aaaand scene. Flourish of trumpets. I'll have to learn to keep my Shakespeare to myself, in future, I seem to get carried away... Glad we could entertain, though!

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Monday, August 9, 2004 8:38 PM

STATIC


By NO MEANS should you keep your Shakespeare to yourself!

Pleased to meet you.

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Monday, August 9, 2004 10:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Superfly:
"The Message" really got me too, but for maybe a different reason. One, I was happy to see the little punk go, but the funeral was one more death in Mal's history. Mostly it got me cuz of that beautiful music. The composer did a really fine job on that one. The thing that really hit me though is the half a second scene where Jayne is taking off his hat in respect. It seems a little out of character, but the look on his face is pure sadness.


Along with what looks like the best snow I can remember on screen, that's pretty much the way it struck me, on first viewing. However, after watching it with the commentary track, I can't see that scene without seeing the cast bidding farewell to the story, and to each other.

That really gets to me. I can't even write about it without feeling weepy.

Keep the Shiny Side Up

Wutzon: Traffic, "Shoot Out @the Fantasy Factory"

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Monday, August 9, 2004 11:51 PM

NERVOUSPETE



I'm not quite sure if anyone has mentioned this specific bit yet, which faintly surprises me.

'Out Of Gas' - When Mal has the flashback right at the end of the episode, and the music kicks in, and you hear the jovial ship dealer talk about a real beauty of a ship, and the camera backs away from him to take in Mal, and you see him looking away off camera with this utter look of love at first sight - of joy and the realisation of dreams. It's such a heart breaking look, it's so beautiful. And then you see Serenity herself, sitting there, waiting for the right crew, and in the background the voice of the ship dealer saying, "Sir? Sir? Can you hear a word I'm saying?"

And you know that every hurt and every labour Mal went through for her was of a man deeply in love.

To me that was the most emotional bit of television I've ever experienced. And I include the 'Vaughan Rice considering putting gun in mouth due to being trapped in warehouse with four hi-tech coffins containing vampires with release timers counting down to dusk in 'Ultraviolet' - which is a near perfect emotional moment on television itself.

So, yeah. That's the bit that chokes me up everytime, and the bit I spend the bulk of my time pondering in a 'what happened next, what happened just before' kind of way.

And Static, you made me kinda weepy too. Sounds like you have something truly beautiful with your wife. You're a lucky man.

Pete

"If you can keep your head whilst others... eurgh! Ack! I've spilt my ink! Ugh! Ink on my trousers! Agh! Ink on my shirt! My only hope! The window! Aieeeeee!" (Falls to death)
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Tuesday, August 10, 2004 1:01 AM

EVILTOBZ


any scene with inara looking hurt or upset always pulls at the heartstrings a little bit. she reminds me of a great line from my so-called life, "you're so beautiful it hurts to look at you." it so sums up the effect she has on me. the pain in her eyes with the introduction of mal's new wife possibly gets me even more than the full on sobbing at him doing the deed with nandi.

for a specific scene though, the bit that got to me most in the entire series doesn't seem to have been mentioned yet. at the end of safe, the little bit of dialogue between mal and simon that runs along the lines of:

why did you come back for us
you're on my crew
but you dont even like us
you're on my crew

that gets me as close to weeping as anything i've ever seen. big manly tears mind.

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Tuesday, August 10, 2004 6:21 AM

JEDISKANKS


All the scenes you guys mentioned are great, but one scene I didn't see on here was in Serenity: when Kaylee was shot and Simon is working on her, you see a shot of Jayne looking through the window, and he looks really concerned. I wouldn't say it made me teary, but I think it's a touching moment, and some nice insight into his character.

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Tuesday, August 10, 2004 7:50 AM

RHYMEPHILE


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Originally posted by NervousPete:
*snippity* And I include the Vaughan Rice considering putting gun in mouth due to being trapped in warehouse with four hi-tech coffins containing vampires with release timers counting down to dusk in 'Ultraviolet' - which is a near perfect emotional moment on television itself. *snippity*



Hmm, I said to myself, Ultraviolet, never heard of it. It sounds super cool, so of course it's a UK show. Argh. Then I read there was a pilot made for US TV in 2001, for, of all networks, FOX, and it never made it to the air. Wow, shocker. It's doubly disappointing knowing that The X-Files vets Howard Gordon and Chip Johannessen were attached as executive producers. Sigh.

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Tuesday, August 10, 2004 7:51 AM

MILORADELL


So I was watching Safe last night, and when Simon and River are having the conversation about how he gave up everything and found her broken - I was crying through that whole thing! For me, Safe is always the "forgotten" episode - I always forget how good it is, and I rarely watch it. But when I do - oh man! It always surprises me for some unknown reason.

What could be more hearbreaking than watching someone who has undergone incredible trauma, and in an achingly lucid moment, they acknowledge that they are "broken?" Sigh/sob...

And I really like the lighting in it.

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Tuesday, August 10, 2004 8:12 AM

GRIMLAKIN


Too many excellent scenes to name. Far far too many.

Of course the hidden or not so for the viewers feelings between Mal and Inara.

Well I'll let yall get back to your regularly scheduled diatribe. ;)

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